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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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Salacious Kitty

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2 minutes ago, ChristmasCandy said:

I wonder how many cases he has won? I think Gelfand goes after the cases he knows that he will lose because of the appeals he knows that he will get the most money.

I remember reading his bio, and it bragged about cases won. Of course, it's entirely possible that he loses more than he wins. I have no clue how he gets paid if there's an appeal. In this case, I guess JB keeps him on retainer, so there's that.

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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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ozziemom

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47 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

He didn't take this on contingency.  He is getting paid by the hour.   Appeals especially a multi issue one like this takes A LOT OF HOURS.   Its not the 20 minute arguing time only he is paid for.  Its researching and writing the brief, then preparing to argue. 

And his hourly rate for phone calls from Boob are probably double the normal rate.

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ChristmasCandy

ChristmasCandy

10 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

A post on FJ reminded me that today (still 3/3 on the left coast) is FF's 35th birthday. Can't believe that fucker is rapidly approaching middle age! 

Should we bake FF a cake with a file in it so he can saw his way out of prison? Because that's the only way he will get out of prison.

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quarks

quarks

If I am understanding the situation correctly (and I may not be), Josh hasn't had any time added to his sentence. But, once he started prison/jail, he started earning credits for good/compliant behavior, allowing him to potentially serve only 85% of his sentence.

As of right now, he has lost at least some of those credits, meaning that now he will be serving 85% of his sentence plus ten days in jail.

Not that he's ever listened to me, but I would recommend that he spend those added ten days in one of the many vocational training programs offered at the prison. He's going to need those job skills.

 

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Salacious Kitty

Salacious Kitty

5 minutes ago, quarks said:

If I am understanding the situation correctly (and I may not be), Josh hasn't had any time added to his sentence. But, once he started prison/jail, he started earning credits for good/compliant behavior, allowing him to potentially serve only 85% of his sentence.

As of right now, he has lost at least some of those credits, meaning that now he will be serving 85% of his sentence plus ten days in jail.

Not that he's ever listened to me, but I would recommend that he spend those added ten days in one of the many vocational training programs offered at the prison. He's going to need those job skills.

 

But his listed  release date is 10 odd years from the time of his incarceration. His full sentence is 12 years. The revised release date added those ten days onto the 2032 release date. 

Am I missing something? It's quite possible. 😀

Absolom

Absolom

Point 1) Josh is in prison not jail.  Jail is local city or county.  State time is in prison and federal time is in prison.  Jail is usually time of one year and under.  

Point 2) Yes, the estimated or projected release time was the calculation of 85% of the sentence so supposing he followed all the rules for duration of the sentence.  Josh did get credit for his time in the county jail awaiting transfer.  So far he has lost ten days of the 15% reduction for good behavior.  That's with him being in prison for less than a year.  

Do we really think he can manage to behave for the remainder of his sentence?

In addition to the ten days, he's in the SHU with all of those restrictions and could have other things like a fine or loss of personal property because of the cell phone.  

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GeeGolly

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If Josh really did end up with a cellphone, I wouldn't think any Duggar would have helped with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Josh has a secret bank account or credit card or two. He likely knows some sweet guy friends on the outside that would help him out for a little cash.

And who knows, maybe Miss Balls had something to do with it. Maybe she set him up, just for the story.

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Minivanessa

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6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

If Josh really did end up with a cellphone, I wouldn't think any Duggar would have helped with that.

I'm not so sure. Anna displayed defiant - even fierce - denial of the facts in her conduct during and after the trial. She may still believe that her JoshUa is innocent, and all that prison nonsense is just Satan and The World beating up on a good Christian man. Depending on her mindset, I could see her handing somebody the cash to set up her beloved with a cell phone so he could talk to her more often than the evil federal government would otherwise allow.  Not saying that she did it, not 100% sure it even happened. But given that the story got as far as The Sun (yeah, a low bar), the lack of denials from anywhere in Duggarland suggests that yes, Josh did that, and he did get that punishment. 

I could sort of see JB doing it as well. IMO he holds the federal government in contempt (as shown by his conduct on the witness stand in FF's case). He's probably heard tales of corruption in the federal prison system, including guards being bribed, "the inmates run the show," etc. He may have thought, hey, I can spare a little cash to make life easier for my son, so let's pay some eejit low-wage guard to get a phone in to him. What I think JB would NOT have understood, is the pecking order inside a prison. Sure, they could find a guard to pay off. But. In order to get away with that kind of sh*t, Josh would need a solid reputation inside, with the other inmates. If he didn't have that, someone would give him up.

I doubt that anyone explained to Josh the unwritten rules of life inside a prison, and I doubt that he would naturally conduct himself in a way that would earn trust from the others doing time in there. Like, you do NOT chat (especially not one-on-one) with the prison staff. You may just be talking about how the Dodgers' season is going but you're likely to be perceived as a snitch, currying favor by passing along information. I think that somewhere upthread I mentioned the advice offered by a man who served time for white collar crime and now advises people facing prison time, on how to navigate that. He's Justin Paperny, on YouTube as White Collar Advice. I don't remember all the deets, but he's clear that you need to walk very carefully and keep your mouth shut when you enter prison. Don't think our boy Josh is cut from that cloth. 

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merylinkid

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It wasn't just that Josh had a cellphone.   I think if it had been found in his cell during a search it would have been one thing.   Bad but maybe a corrupt guard could be bribed to overlook.   It's that dumb ass Josh was OPENLY using his phone.  No one can overlook that or downplay it.    Like Dude, at least LOOK like you are trying to follow the Rules.

What is going to keep getting Josh in trouble in prison is that he still hasn't figured out the Rules apply to him.   He is so used to doing whatever he wanted as the Chosen One that he doesn't get he can't do that anymore.   

They can't really add to his prison sentence without due process.   He can lose good time credits but he can't do more than the 12 years without another conviction.   However, he keeps flouting the prison rules that CAN lead to more charges.   So if Anna wants to whip up the baby factory again when he gets out, she needs to convince him to straighten up and fly right.   Or her eggs will be long past their use by date when he gets out.

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Bethany

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14 minutes ago, Absolom said:

It is possible to add a year to his sentence for having a cell phone.  Yes, the prison has to go through the process, but possessing a cell phone in prison is a federal crime.  

I  could see them not going to these lengths for a first infraction but they are most definitely going to be keeping track.  And we all know Josh is never in a million years going to follow the rules.  Sooner or later he'll screw up again.  And again.  

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quarks

quarks

Whatever the infraction, I think it's also possible that Josh and anyone else who may have been involved just figured that losing credits for good behavior wouldn't matter given the possibility that his conviction will be overturned. 

(Someone is paying for this appeals process and Josh is going along with it, so they presumably have more confidence that the appeals process will work in Josh's favor than I do. )

Or, this being Josh, he just didn't worry about any potential consequences - which matches his earlier behavior, making that the most likely explanation.

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lookeyloo

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46 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Maybe Josh doesn't really want to get out....he would then have to live according to the family's beliefs which we all know he does not abide by. Maybe he's just not that in to Anna and isn't too bothered to be away from her. More freedom in prison for him. Just a few thoughts.

Honestly, that thought crossed my mind.  He has limited responsibilities.  No one pulling on him literally or figuratively, unless, well, it's prison.  If he gets "institutionalized" he might just coast along and serve his time and maybe for him it is easier.  Time will tell.

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BetyBee

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I really don't think there's any way that Josh is happier in prison. Prison is horrible. Not that I have firsthand knowledge, but I do have secondhand knowledge and losing your freedom and privacy wouldn't be anyone's first choice. Not even Josh's. However, I think that when he does get out one day, he'll have a terrible time adjusting. I don't think he will want to go back to his old life, under JB's thumb. He will probably never be happy again. And he'll likely re-offend and wind up back inside. I don't see him doing any real work on himself or taking responsibility for the awful things he's done. He's a mess. 

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Salacious Kitty

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3 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I really don't think there's any way that Josh is happier in prison. Prison is horrible. Not that I have firsthand knowledge, but I do have secondhand knowledge and losing your freedom and privacy wouldn't be anyone's first choice. Not even Josh's. However, I think that when he does get out one day, he'll have a terrible time adjusting. I don't think he will want to go back to his old life, under JB's thumb. He will probably never be happy again. And he'll likely re-offend and wind up back inside. I don't see him doing any real work on himself or taking responsibility for the awful things he's done. He's a mess. 

He can't do any real work on himself without taking responsibility for his actions. And he's vehemently denying everything. So no, no growth will happen here. 

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quarks

quarks

I think he wants to get out of prison. Not because of any interest in having to live according to the family beliefs, but because:

1. This jail enforces a strict routine, something he also has no interest in.

2. He seems to be the sort of person who needs constant stimulation and is easily bored. This jail does offer some vocational training and the occasional holiday barbecue, but that's about it for the stimulation.

3. When he's not in solitary, he's expected to work - and not at a desk job or at a comparatively easy (physically) job selling used cars, but working for the prison or working to make military uniforms. Again, not something he's ever shown any real interest in.

4. Resentment of missing out on things that his family members are doing/enjoying - working as an actual attorney (supposedly his ambition at one point), becoming a New York Times bestselling author and getting to make a number of television appearances (definitely his ambition at one point), or popping over to Europe and wandering around Italy (probably not his ambition at any point, but, still, they got to go have fun while he was stuck in jail.) And that's just this year. 

I am not confident that any of this will lead to an epiphany or change while he's in prison, mind you. 

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5 hours ago, quarks said:

I am not confident that any of this will lead to an epiphany or change while he's in prison, mind you. 

It will most likely lead to increased bitterness, resentment and self-pity, especially since he’s probably convinced that he didn’t really do anything wrong and doesn’t deserve to be there.

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Notabug

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Former British pop star and convicted pedophile, Gary Glitter (Rock 'n Roll, Part 2) was released from prison just a month ago after serving 8 years for sexually abusing 3 school girls.  He has already been sent back to prison for violating terms of his parole.  He tried to access the dark web on his cell phone.  He has numerous prior arrests including some for possession of child porn as well as having been expelled from Cambodia for assaulting a child there and was jailed in Viet Nam for 2 years after abusing 2 girls there.  Glitter first came to light as a pedophile in 1975 and is now 79 years old.

Just to remind everyone that these leopards do not change their spots and, no matter how long Josh spends in prison, he will very likely always be a danger to the public.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64946392

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libgirl2

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19 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Just to remind everyone that these leopards do not change their spots and, no matter how long Josh spends in prison, he will very likely always be a danger to the public.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64946392

No, I don't foresee any "change" in him when he gets out. People like him don't change. 

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SMama

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On 3/12/2023 at 8:21 AM, AstridM said:

He probably is envious of all of those trips to McDonald’s his siblings took while in Italy. 

If he knows about the family’s comings and goings. I don’t think any of his siblings will regale him with stories about their lives and travel. 
 

53 minutes ago, Notabug said:

 

Just to remind everyone that these leopards do not change their spots and, no matter how long Josh spends in prison, he will very likely always be a danger to the public.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64946392

He will do what has always worked for him, claim he’s a changed man, spent years reading scriptures, has repented, and he is saved and forgiven. JB and Michelle will eat it up, as usual, and there will be no safeguards for the minors around him. Let’s hope by then the kidults (Jill, Jinger, and Joy excluded, they have a clue) will have learned to protect their kids, and any minor around the FF.

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