Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[zoomama]

one superfluous comment ---  her hair looked great!

[CandyCaneTree]

19 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

In real life, the average woman who breastfeeds exclusively doesn't ovulate for at around 4 months after giving birth.  Even if Anna isn't breastfeeding, it's not very likely that she's going to be able to get the stars aligned and conceive before Josh goes off to prison.

My mom breast my brother and he was 3 months old and she got pregnant with my sister. 

[LilyD]

6 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

Wouldn’t it take a huge toll on a woman’s body to get pregnant almost immediately after just giving birth?!  If she is truly trying to get pregnant right now, she probably shouldn’t breastfeed, right?  Can’t breastfeeding prevent pregnancy for some women?

It's very very very strongly advised not to get pregnant straight away. You usually won't be able to anyways as the body won't be ready. The general advise is to wait at least 9 months as the body does indeed need time to recover from a previous pregnancy and birth. With C-sections it could actually be really dangerous to conceive within a year because the scar in your womb needs time to heal and strengthen.

As for your question on breastfeeding; women usually do not get pregnant if they breastfeed. However, it is not 100% guaranteed, meaning that you can still get pregnant though the chances are slim. It happened to one of my colleagues actually. There's just 11 months between the births of her boys! She was extremely shocked to find out!

Edited November 18, 2021 by LilyD
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[Ohiopirate02]

35 minutes ago, zoomama said:

one superfluous comment ---  her hair looked great!

It does look great.  I really don't know how she found the time while taking care of a newborn plus other kids.  

[SusanM]

25 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

My mom breast my brother and he was 3 months old and she got pregnant with my sister. 

My mother calls siblings like this Irish Twins.  In our staunchly Irish Catholic family (until the current generation) we had lots of them.  I have aunts who share a birth year - one born in January the other December of the same year.

[SMama]

6 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

It does look great.  I really don't know how she found the time while taking care of a newborn plus other kids.  

She has the aunt moms, Mac, and cousin Emily taking care of the kids. 

[quarks]

The court has ordered another evidentary hearing, with witnesses, for November 29th.

I'm guessing this is either yet another round of the defense claiming that the prosecution did not do enough to investigate other potential suspects and their cell phones, or about admitting the other prior molestations. 

I think the trial is still set to start November 30th.

[hathorlive]

17 minutes ago, quarks said:

The court has ordered another evidentary hearing, with witnesses, for November 29th.

I'm guessing this is either yet another round of the defense claiming that the prosecution did not do enough to investigate other potential suspects and their cell phones, or about admitting the other prior molestations. 

I think the trial is still set to start November 30th.

Okay, I've worked in LE for nearly 20 years.  Detectives investigate, put pieces of the puzzle together, hone in on a suspect and go after data to support s/he committed a crime.  I've never had a prosecutor say "did you exonerate 18 other people?"  It's not really our job to say who DIDN'T do the crime, only who we think DID the crime.   How many cell phones do the defense attorneys need examined before they are satisfied?

[Churchhoney]

30 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Okay, I've worked in LE for nearly 20 years.  Detectives investigate, put pieces of the puzzle together, hone in on a suspect and go after data to support s/he committed a crime.  I've never had a prosecutor say "did you exonerate 18 other people?"  It's not really our job to say who DIDN'T do the crime, only who we think DID the crime.   How many cell phones do the defense attorneys need examined before they are satisfied?

Is this sort of thing kind of a sign that they don't think they have much actual evidence that actually helps them demonstrate that it's simply not proven that Josh did, in fact, do it?

Sort of like their earlier attempt to argue that the charges should be dismissed because nothing the Department of Homeland Security has been involved in for the past three years is legitimate? 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Churchhoney

[galaxygirl76]

5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Is this sort of thing kind of a sign that they don't think they have much actual evidence that actually helps them demonstrate that Josh did, in fact, not do it?

Sort of like their earlier attempt to argue that the charges should be dismissed because nothing the Department of Homeland Security has been involved in for the past three years is legitimate? 

Aren't these the same people who tried to pin this on a guy who at the time it occurred was in *checks notes* prison?

[libgirl2]

I saw something posted from the Pickles page but I'm not sure if I can share it here. 

[Gemma Violet]

5 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I saw something posted from the Pickles page but I'm not sure if I can share it here. 

I just saw that.

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

I just saw that.

That will certainly get a longer sentence than 10 years if testimony follows.  

[Ohiopirate02]

14 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I saw something posted from the Pickles page but I'm not sure if I can share it here. 

I was curious and looked it up.  I would not post anything without something more substantial becomes public.  That post reads like a blind item at the moment.  Josh is a POS and I hope he rots in jail for at least a decade, but I believe in waiting before speculating.  

[libgirl2]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I was curious and looked it up.  I would not post anything without something more substantial becomes public.  That post reads like a blind item at the moment.  Josh is a POS and I hope he rots in jail for at least a decade, but I believe in waiting before speculating.  

I agree. It reminded me of the old "friend of a friend". But here's hoping for anything that can add more time to his sentence. 

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I was curious and looked it up.  I would not post anything without something more substantial becomes public.  That post reads like a blind item at the moment.  Josh is a POS and I hope he rots in jail for at least a decade, but I believe in waiting before speculating.  

When something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Can someone DM me what was said on Pickles? She sort of banned me years ago. TIA! 😀

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Can someone DM me what was said on Pickles? She sort of banned me years ago. TIA! 😀

I see nothing wrong with sharing this part:

Pickles says she has a screenshot of an article stating, "the prosecution announced today that they have witnesses who will testify of a sexual assault committed by Josh in 2003."

[galaxygirl76]

On Reddit they are saying that Boob may be testifying and possibly one of the sisters. Taken from a local reporter's summary article.

Edited November 18, 2021 by galaxygirl76

[emmawoodhouse]

Would Boob and a sister like Jessa be considered a hostile witness? Jill? Not so sure where she stands.

[libgirl2]

Hope this is okay to share

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/nov/18/prosecutors-accuse-duggar-of-past-sexual-assault/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_ArkansasR2K

[Rootbeer]

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I see nothing wrong with sharing this part:

Pickles says she has a screenshot of an article stating, "the prosecution announced today that they have witnesses who will testify of a sexual assault committed by Josh in 2003."

That timing coincides with  history that Josh has already admitted and 2 of his sisters and parents have confirmed on national TV.  So, if one of the sisters is testifying, it could be about herself or something she witnessed.   God love them all.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Rootbeer

[Zella]

It sounds to me like it might be about the babysitter, whom the Duggars liked to leave out of explanations and defenses of sly Josh's behavior. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Zella

[SusanM]

Speculation hat on but I wonder if true if this is an attempt by the prosecution to get Smuggar to accept a plea deal.  Surely even the Duggar's realize that they can minimize and forgive Smuggar's 'transgressions' all they want but that's not what the court is going to care about.

[Cinnabon]

9 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

Hope this is okay to share

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/nov/18/prosecutors-accuse-duggar-of-past-sexual-assault/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_ArkansasR2K

To my knowledge, speculation and blind items aren’t prohibited on this site, as long as it’s clear that’s what they are.

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

To my knowledge, speculation and blind items aren’t prohibited on this site, as long as it’s clear that’s what they are.

thank you.

Edited November 18, 2021 by libgirl2

[galaxygirl76]

This is the one with a summary of what happened in court today:

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/judge-calls-for-evidentiary-hearing-during-josh-duggar-child-porn-pretrial-conference/

 

[scriggle]

Here's another article about the evidentiary hearing:

Judge calls for evidentiary hearing during Josh Duggar child porn pretrial conference

Reading the article, it seems to me the judge is leaning towards admitting the evidence/testimony

[libgirl2]

So Boob can't be found? 

[hathorlive]

Quote

Gelfand continued by asking whether it is clear if Duggar actually committed a crime in 2002 or 2003, according to Arkansas statutes. He added that it is “undisputed that Mr. Duggar has never been charged.”

The judge responded by asking specifically what the defense required to fulfill the notice requirements. “What is missing?” he asked. “What do you need?”

Gelfand responded with a need for “proper nouns, dates, and specific allegations.”

“You’re not seriously going to tell me you don’t know,” the judge countered. “It just seems disingenuous. Very disingenuous.” He also noted that the “information was the subject of a lawsuit [Duggar] filed in this court.”

That was a nice smack down of Gelfand, Travis Story et al.  I'm glad the judge is calling them out on their selective memory.  And what is this "adult porn is in no way commiserate with CP and it doesn't mean that he download CP because he looked at adult porn".  Isn't this the EXACT same allegation they are posing about one of three witnesses? That he had adult porn on his phone, so why wasn't he investigated?

Edited November 18, 2021 by hathorlive

[DXD526]

It made me chuckle how at one point, sex pest's lawyer remarks, "The devil is in the details." I thought, no, the devil is in a fortress in Josh's soul!!!

[ozziemom]

45 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

So Boob can't be found? 

This is the funniest part of the article. Where in the world is Boob? 

[hathorlive]

Double post!

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by hathorlive

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, ozziemom said:

This is the funniest part of the article. Where in the world is Boob? 

Hopefully desperately selling off some assets to pay the lawyers. After I read his disgusting statements from his it-shall-not-be-named site, I want him to go broke even more 😡

[hathorlive]

49 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

So Boob can't be found? 

He's running for political office and no one can find him????  This is turning into a soap opera.  The plot twists are too stupid to be real. Wait!!! Josh didn't download CP, his evil twin did....

Edited November 18, 2021 by hathorlive

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

This is the funniest part of the article. Where in the world is Boob? 

It can be a new Fundie kid's book "Where's Jim Bob?"

[crazy8s]

It would seem JB and Jackson went to the father son thing at Alert last weekend and then on some guided deer hunting trip where Jackson was pictured with a deer he shot.

Jeer's 6 seater plane flew to Branson at 6:30 am today, so maybe JB is hiding out in Silver Dollar City.....

Edited November 18, 2021 by crazy8s

[emmawoodhouse]

Interesting that Bobye Holt is the other witness. That pretty much confirms what we suspected about the identity of the fifth victim. 

[CandyCaneTree]

2 hours ago, hathorlive said:

Okay, I've worked in LE for nearly 20 years.  Detectives investigate, put pieces of the puzzle together, hone in on a suspect and go after data to support s/he committed a crime.  I've never had a prosecutor say "did you exonerate 18 other people?"  It's not really our job to say who DIDN'T do the crime, only who we think DID the crime.   How many cell phones do the defense attorneys need examined before they are satisfied?

I know from reading an article that they want to serve a supenia on Blob what if dosen't come out of hiding? 

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Jeer's 6 seater plane flew to Branson at 6:30 am today, so maybe JB is hiding out in Silver Dollar City.....

If so, he picked a bad day! The park has closed today after a fire. 

[hathorlive]

12 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

It would seem JB and Jackson went to the father son thing at Alert last weekend and then on some guided deer hunting trip where Jackson was pictured with a deer he shot.

Jeer's 6 seater plane flew to Branson at 6:30 am today, so maybe JB is hiding out in Silver Dollar City.....

Aren't two buildings in Silver Dollar City on fire?  Did god smite JB down already????  (Seriously, that popped up in my news feed an hour ago).

[SusanM]

12 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

I know from reading an article that they want to serve a supenia on Blob what if dosen't come out of hiding? 

If we never hear or see him again that would not be such a bad thing!

Edited November 18, 2021 by SusannahM

[ginger90]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/tv/prosecution-in-josh-duggar-child-porn-case-seeks-jim-bob-duggar-as-witness/%3famp=true
 

I’m always quite amused (not really the word I want) when PEOPLE reports on current matters, considering they have paid the family over the years.

[libgirl2]

10 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

I know from reading an article that they want to serve a supenia on Blob what if dosen't come out of hiding? 

I'm sure there are steps they can take, like fines or a warrant for his arrest. 

I wonder if Boob would lie under oath? Do they still use a Bible? 

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

If we never he or see him again that would not be such a bad thing!

The fewer people exposed to his hateful, ignorant, harmful rhetoric the better.

[Readalot]

https://people.com/tv/prosecution-in-josh-duggar-child-porn-case-seeks-jim-bob-duggar-as-witness/

I have doubts if he will tell the WHOLE truth 

[Cinnabon]

Just now, Readalot said:

https://people.com/tv/prosecution-in-josh-duggar-child-porn-case-seeks-jim-bob-duggar-as-witness/

I have doubts if he will tell the WHOLE truth 

Lying appears to be a virtue in their world.

[quarks]

And here I thought this was going to be just a routine pre-trial conference where they discussed scheduling issues.

Anyway, is it just me, or does it seem that several of these defense motions seem to be backfiring? Or at the very least, causing potential harm to people not named Josh Duggar who are just associated with Josh or this case?

For instance, in this particular case, the defense could have just shrugged and said, sure, bring in the molestation stuff - and once entered, done something like this at the trial:

Defense: Is In Touch a tabloid?

Witness: Yes.

Defense: Is In Touch known for its accuracy?

Witness: Not really.

Defense: Do we know that the report from In Touch shows an accurate, unchanged/unedited version of the purported police report?

Witness: No.

Defense: Ok. Well, instead of focusing on events that happened decades ago, I'd like to bring us back to the current topic. 

But instead, they protested bringing this in, saying that the prosecution would have to prove these molestations - thus giving the government the opportunity to not just start subpoenaing witnesses to those molestations, but to casually announce in court that Jim Bob Duggar, Josh Duggar's father, is impossible to reach. Thus ensuring plenty of local news coverage and excited speculation and a People magazine article.

[ginger90]

[BetyBee]

If Anna attends her brother's wedding, we may see that black dress again. It actually looks nice on her, but I think it would be more appropriate for a wedding than for a court appearance. The sheer strips at the hem and the sleeves seem more like evening wear to me. I would have worn black shoes too. I could be wrong. I'm not experienced in accompanying a spouse to a CSAM case.