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hoosier80
hoosier80

New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
MargeGunderson

Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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My theory is they don't understand medicine and fear it, plus they think they're being old fashioned and nostalgic - Jesus was a homebirth (yeah, I know, in a stable - the cow's home). Also, so many of them are dirt poor and uninsured, so they insist on cheaper routes. In the meantime, disparaging mainstream hospital births as heathen makes them feel better about their alternative.

Now that Obama care requires some sort of insurance for everyone, let's see if the hospital births increase again.

It's interesting how there's some home birth trend overlap between fundies and crunchy granola, earthy types. The common thread seems to be a belief that it's a natural process, not an illness, so thus no hospital. I respect it to a point, but it also ignores the harsh reality that this "natural process" is in fact risky and dangerous in a decent percentage of cases.

 

I'm confused - isn't that Ted Cruz pictured with Josh & not Gothard? The comments are referencing that this is Gothard which as far as I can tell, it's not.

Someone said that Josh looks like a younger version of Gothard, so I understand your confusion. Yes, it's Ted Cruz, and I know we aren't supposed to get too political here, but he is definitely the favored one among fundies. His father is a preacher who believes in Christian dominionism, the really scary doctrine that some of the people in Quiverfull circles believe in, that says Old Testament law should be instituted in our country. Ted Cruz attended the National Religious Liberties Conference, where the main speaker was almost literally foaming at the mouth and saying that all the gays need to be executed. It is scary. http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/2/22/watch-ted-cruz-campaign-calls-attending-kill-gays-conference-mistake

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Aja

Aja

Seeing Josh's kids makes things a little too real for me. I even find it hard to snark. It's all hilarious idiot fundie games until you see those innocent little faces and it really hits home, what their father has done and what they are going to be forced to live with their entire lives because their mother thinks abuse is Jesusy. I just can't. It makes me want to cry.

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3girlsforus

3girlsforus

Seeing Josh's kids makes things a little too real for me. I even find it hard to snark. It's all hilarious idiot fundie games until you see those innocent little faces and it really hits home, what their father has done and what they are going to be forced to live with their entire lives because their mother thinks abuse is Jesusy. I just can't. It makes me want to cry.

 

And let's not forget that when Josh victimized his sisters they were little kids like that too. Innocent and being abused by both parents and sibling. So while we snark about what Jill and Jessa have become, they were innocent once too and are products of what this kind upbringing can do to you. 

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JoanArc

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On my iPad, but what's this about another Josh victim coming forward? She seems to now be in her 20's and has had a rough time of things. This is not what the Duggars need.

I have a measure of sympathy for Anna now. Get out while you can, girl. He will never stop and never change.

Edit: here is a link http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/04/20/josh-duggar-new-victim-molestation-scandal-accusation/

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Vaysh

Vaysh

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This comment by dischuch was interesting:

 

Since they dont allow editing and you cant even see what you write let me try this again without typos
I reported this two years ago long before the whole mess came to light. It was senator jim holts daughter.
If you watch the videos pf the duggars all boohoohooing about the whole affair you will hear the repeated lies. First jim bob and michelle say they got him help all those years ago. Then jill and jessa say he was finally getting help for the first time. Then when Josh returned from rehab they said. He made his first attempt at rehab.
Its like they think no one will remember what they said. Its crazy.

 

This is a rumour that's been floating around for about as long as the molestation rumours. And for a good long while this is what the "sin in the camp" was believed to be about. It was a rumour "debunked" at about the same time as the molestation rumours were as well and was never really resurrected but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was true.

 

I do find it a bit ridiculous that InTouch plays into the idea that a grown woman leaving her childhood home is an act of rebellion, but it does give a hint that this other family is as patriarchal as the Duggars.

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BitterApple

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Do you guys think this is a legitimate story though? Or is InTouch just recycling rumors and packaging them as fresh material from an "inside source."

When the first scandal came out, many people on here stated they thought it was just the tip of the iceberg. Given Josh's predilections, it's not completely implausible to think other victims are out there and they just haven't came forward.

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Lemur

Lemur

Had to laugh about "she rebelled & left home when she became an adult". Isn't that what normal people do? And too bad the Duggar kids can't leave unless they are married.

 

Yeah, but these people are highly, highly abnormal.  And for them, this far surpasses whatever the equivalent of dying one's hair blue would be.  This is the equivalent of hoping on the circus train at 15 to go live among the carnie folk. 

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kokapetl

kokapetl

Sounds like a speculative piece of writing based on what's already public. We know there's an anonymous 5th victim who doesn't appear to want to be publicly identified. The article wants us to think it's fresh news, but Michelle and JimBob calling her parents, and her parents having any authority to act on her behalf, only makes sense if the phone call happened back when all involved were underage.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

And cheaper - Boob is without a doubt the absolute CHEAPEST SOB in the universe. This factors in to everything they do, or don't do...

One can only hope that Jim Boob discovers how expensive it can get.

 

If this is true, mainstream media will pick up on it with the quickness. And it's going to ruin Nancy's weekend!

kokapetl

kokapetl

What?! Wow.

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. Buddha

It was in tabloids at least 6-9 months ago, but nothing materialized. This sounds like a rehash, plus I don't understand how the parents of a 28 year woman who left home a decade ago can be promising JimBob and Michelle anything on her behalf.
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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

It was in tabloids at least 6-9 months ago, but nothing materialized. This sounds like a rehash, plus I don't understand how the parents of a 28 year woman who left home a decade ago can be promising JimBob and Michelle anything on her behalf.

I said as much above. This would have to have been dealt with when the parties were still minors for any agreement between the parents (assuming it was even written) to be legally binding today.

That said, you KNOW that Boob attempted damage control behind the scenes after Joshgate I broke. If it was the Holts, as is widely speculated based on pretty solid evidence, that could be interesting. The families are barely cordial these days, and the presumed victim is married with two kids.

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Micks Picks

Micks Picks

I agree this sounds like a rehash.  An exaggerated rehash.  But there was word last summer that the fifth girl was filing some civil or criminal action.  That story just went away too.  Then we were hit with Joshleygate, and that wasn't the same thing at all.  Don't know if the 5th victim just went away or what.

Vaysh

Vaysh

Do you all really think Joshua molested the Holt girl? Or was it most likely a mutual boyfriend/girlfriend thing that both sets of Gothard parents wanted broken up because courtship?

The original rumour from way back when was about touching while the girl was asleep which would fit Josh's MO to a tee, but who knows. Could just be girl/boyfriend stuff that got mixed up with the molestation rumours.

kokapetl

kokapetl

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Do you all really think Joshua molested the Holt girl? Or was it most likely a mutual boyfriend/girlfriend thing that both sets of Gothard parents wanted broken up because courtship?

I don't know who the fifth victim. She's probably a fellow traveller in the whole insanity. I can't really speculate much, but in the redacted documents, Josh actions caused redacted to do redacted, and as result, redacted cancelled redacted. Edited by Kokapetl
becca3891

becca3891

Do you all really think Joshua molested the Holt girl? Or was it most likely a mutual boyfriend/girlfriend thing that both sets of Gothard parents wanted broken up because courtship?

The rumor that Josh molested a Holt girl in her sleep was around years before last year's news, so it has real credibility with me. I always found the "sin in the camp" story interesting and believable, and even more so now. We also know the fifth victim was a family friend who had been babysitting and was asleep on the couch -- that much is in the police report.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

The rumor that Josh molested a Holt girl in her sleep was around years before last year's news, so it has real credibility with me. I always found the "sin in the camp" story interesting and believable, and even more so now. We also know the fifth victim was a family friend who had been babysitting and was asleep on the couch -- that much is in the police report.

I agree. It would be one hell of a coincidence for the M.O.'s to match up like that. Especially considering the "sin in the camp" rumors came long before the molestation scandal was made public.

If it is true, I'm surprised JimBob didn't ship Josh off after that, given the damage it did to his political career. I wonder if he wanted to, but Michelle wouldn't allow it. Josh does seem to be her golden boy.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

Ironic how Josh chose the letter M as his theme for naming his kids and how two words that brought him down "molestation" and "Madison" also begin with M.

It must really suck to be Josh right now....if he reads half of what people are saying about him, he must be mortified. When I read about the latest scandal, I wasn't sure if there was a sixth victim or if they were rehashing #5. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of more victims though.

One thing that troubles me is that I'm wondering if Josh's shaming and poor public perception would have been as extensive and hostile had the Duggars been less sanctimonious. For me personally anyway, most of my disgust is with the insidious teachings of this cult and the way women and victims are collectively treated, rather than his transgressions.

That said, I'm not defending him in any way. Sister groping and porn addiction and predatory behavior are behaviors that are antisocial at best and are not regarded by anyone with any sense as normal behavior. The cult they belong to sweeps it under the rug, stressing forgiveness over prosecution., and blames the victim for the males' failings. The perps don't often receive any real psychological help. Send your son to ALERT if you catch him masturbating...but give him a pass for molesting his sisters after he's "cured" by hard labor...and Jeebus jail Lock the girls in their room, blame them for defrauding their brother....play law enforcement past the statute of limitations....

Just seems this cult is so repressive that it only perpetuates this sort of behavior by discouraging any sniff of what we all regard as normal developmental behavior and natural curiosity about bodies that those who have had a normal, healthy upbringing take for granted. People who post on some of the articles regarding the Duggars seem to have far more hostility towards the cult and Bbob and Michelle than towards Josh.

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OpieTaylor

OpieTaylor

Just saw an article - "No Anonymity for Plaintiffs Suing Ashley Madison Over Hack, Judge Rules" - that says "Plaintiffs suing Ashley Madison, a popular online dating service, over a computer hacking attack that stole the personal data of millions of users will have to be publicly identified to proceed with the case, a federal judge ruled."

 

I wonder if Josh (and Jim Boob) have been thinking about suing Ashley Madison to at least get some money out of the whole debacle. And if so, will they still sue, since Josh's name will be made public if he does?

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3girlsforus

3girlsforus

Just saw an article - "No Anonymity for Plaintiffs Suing Ashley Madison Over Hack, Judge Rules" - that says "Plaintiffs suing Ashley Madison, a popular online dating service, over a computer hacking attack that stole the personal data of millions of users will have to be publicly identified to proceed with the case, a federal judge ruled."

 

I wonder if Josh (and Jim Boob) have been thinking about suing Ashley Madison to at least get some money out of the whole debacle. And if so, will they still sue, since Josh's name will be made public if he does?

 

Isn't Josh's name already public in relation to the Ashley Madison stuff?

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Higgins

Higgins

But...but, because Jesus!

I doubt this bunch would consult anyone who could objectively evaluate whether the marriage is worth saving because, in their world, ending a a marriage is not even a concept. Marriage IS. And this duo is extra double-secret covenant married. There is no save the marriage. There is just make headship happy and all troubles will vanish. So, Jesus. Pray harder.

I hate being this cynical. I really do despair of voluntarily undereducated and emotionally stunted people signing up for what is essentially a life of bondage. It's not like they are (as far as we know) out in the world actively helping others like, say Jimmy Carter (who is of course an evil liberal). But boy, they sure can tap about the Lord without bothering to emulate him.

Well, all right, Anna is busy raising kids. But let's see Smug display some genuinely Christian actions. I'll wait right here.

How do you objectively evaluate the worth of saving someone else's marriage? Just wondering.

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

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How do you objectively evaluate the worth of saving someone else's marriage? Just wondering.

For me, it would involve evaluating if I (and children, if there were any) were better off with or without my spouse, probably with the help of a qualified counselor of some sort.

I worded my previous post badly. I meant that Anna et al would likely never consult with anyone who could help them make such an evaluation.

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