Fuzzysox November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Seriously, why would they visit Josh if it wasn't int he middle of one of his allowed visitation cycles. Something went down. Maybe to get him to sign some papers of some shady business Boob is starting in his name. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1705293
cmr2014 November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Seriously, why would they visit Josh if it wasn't int he middle of one of his allowed visitation cycles. Something went down. I doubt it. They were already in Milwaukee and they stopped in Rockford on the way home -- no big surprise. It wouldn't surprise me at all if JB and J'chelle expect special treatment and expect to be allowed to visit on non-visiting days. I think it would be interesting if it was Huckabee who went to visit Josh. I thought that the Duggar plane might have been chartered by Huckabee to go to the debate, and I still think that's a possibility. Huckabee has always liked Josh and I wonder if Josh has been in touch with him about a job. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1705509
Arwen Evenstar November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Not sure Fuckabee would offer Smuggs a job. He basically withdrew his support by saying that 18 of the 19 Duggar kids were decent. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1705730
frenchtoast November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Topic, please. Not the place to discuss wind speed, vomiting or politics. Please stick to Josh and Anna. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1706886
whydoiwatch November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Josh either escaped Jesus Rehab (claiming a complete cure, I am sure) or Anna paid a conjugal visit hoping to get knocked up. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1707045
Purpose to defraud November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 (edited) He didn't hold course: He detoured and flew, adding 103 miles off the course of his planned flight path. Sounds like a horrible trip, but maybe better than RU. If he's out, he or Anna will post his picture soon, probably his next meal. Edited November 13, 2015 by Purpose to defraud 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1707086
yogi2014L November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Josh either escaped Jesus Rehab (claiming a complete cure, I am sure) or Anna paid a conjugal visit hoping to get knocked up. I hope Josh flees Jesus Rehab. The fundamentalist life is not for him. He needs to give it up. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1707108
JenCarroll November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 *** It was 100% his parents not teaching him decent manners. It's truly like it never occurred to him. There was anothet scene at an airport years later that was the same, Anna wrestling with the suitcases. Maybe Josh inherited MEchelle's missing back muscle. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1707378
BrianJ62 November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Maybe Josh inherited MEchelle's missing back muscle. Josh is missing his entire spine. I hope Josh flees Jesus Rehab. The fundamentalist life is not for him. He needs to give it up. Josh and Lamar Odom could take a road trip together. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1707397
JenCarroll November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Josh is missing his entire spine. Are you suggesting Josh is an invertebrate? Oh wait, we knew that already. :-) 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709222
Arwen Evenstar November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 ME-chelle's absurd claim if missing a back muscle truly shows their ignorance regarding anatomy! This tells me that anatomy would not have been taught at SOTDRT...just the very sight of the anatomy cutaway would have been considered defrauding...particularly the sight of a penis or a vajayjay! I could understand a weak muscle but if one was missing a muscle...one wouldn't be able to sit or stand properly 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709364
Arwen Evenstar November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 So as I started to say in my previous post...if Smuggs had been taught science and some basic anatomy, he wouldn't likely have groped his poor sisters and their babysitter and become a porn addict due to his uber repressed fundie upbringing Since even his own family uses the word "sly" to describe him...no doubt they truly had a proverbial fox in the henhouse. Science...we don't need no steenking sciece...because we can just visit the Creation Museum and see that Adam and Eve rode around on their brontosaurus only 6000 years ago! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709391
kalamac November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 But he might have still done it for other reasons. Plenty, probably most, of molestors and porn addicts had normal educations, so Josh doesn't get a pass from me just because he was undereducated. You don't need an anatomy lesson to know not to touch up your sisters. Really we'll never know. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709438
TaxNerd November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) I'm biased from these boards, but I wonder if most of the public thinks of Josh first in the Ashley Madison scandal? There were many many famous people on the list that was released, but most had the common sense to either deny or not speak out and have faded from memory. I wonder if Josh never released a statement if the public would have moved on. Edited November 14, 2015 by TaxNerd 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709448
JoanArc November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Are you suggesting Josh is an invertebrate? Oh wait, we knew that already. :-) He...uh, has one bone. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709551
Arwen Evenstar November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Kalamac...totally agree...there are plenty of sex offenders out there who received a proper education...and plenty of those with similar upbringings as Smuggs who would never even think to do such a thing....faulty hardwiring can happen anywhere. No, I don't believe Smuggs deserves a pass...his behavior was unconscionable. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709562
Sew Sumi November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) Josh either escaped Jesus Rehab (claiming a complete cure, I am sure) or Anna paid a conjugal visit hoping to get knocked up. I remembered to jump in to Cisco's Corner tonight, and one of our intrepid posters asked Cisco the rule about visitors. Either Cisco or Edward confirmed that there are only three visits allowed during the course of "treatment." It was also admitted that "treatment" at RU consists of dealing with a shit ton of rules and regulations until you learn to "obey" God. (or fake it until you make it, for a lot of them, I bet). Alrighty then. I just can't see Smuggar actually following rules, he of no self-control. Edited November 14, 2015 by Sew Sumi 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709948
Arwen Evenstar November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Rules? Smuggs is so smug he thinks rules aren't for special snowflakes like him. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1709975
Sew Sumi November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Exactly! I kind of hope he's being a colossal asshole to the staff. Yes, he can spout bible verses at the drop of a hat; he was raised that way. So in essence, that part of the rehab is a piece of cake. It's the WORK part that I bet he is really struggling with. Well, that and regimented meal times...no grazing allowed! 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710022
SomePity1066 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I remembered to jump in to Cisco's Corner tonight, and one of our intrepid posters asked Cisco the rule about visitors. Either Cisco or Edward confirmed that there are only three visits allowed during the course of "treatment." It was also admitted that "treatment" at RU consists of dealing with a shit ton of rules and regulations until you learn to "obey" God. (or fake it until you make it, for a lot of them, I bet). Alrighty then. I just can't see Smuggar actually following rules, he of no self-control. Rules? Smuggs is so smug he thinks rules aren't for special snowflakes like him. Exactly! I kind of hope he's being a colossal asshole to the staff. Yes, he can spout bible verses at the drop of a hat; he was raised that way. So in essence, that part of the rehab is a piece of cake. It's the WORK part that I bet he is really struggling with. Well, that and regimented meal times...no grazing allowed! I've been wondering since the whole Joshgate II went down just how much the Duggars/ATI/Gothard people understand that a REAL rehab doesn't work like this. Not at all like this. It's staggering how counterintuitive and illogical the RU program is. People who turn to drugs, alcohol, sex, whatever, because they can't deal with what's really going on in their lives, their heart, their soul... Well, just push it even FURTHER down into the pit that's eating you alive, rake leaves or mop floors for eight hours a day, go to Blame U. for forced services every day, have virtually no contact with the fragile support system you may have left, and never, ever talk about what it was that brought you to your knees. Literally and figuratively. Sounds like a winner to me ! I wonder what the relapse percentage is... ? 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710046
Almost 3000 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I'm biased from these boards, but I wonder if most of the public thinks of Josh first in the Ashley Madison scandal? There were many many famous people on the list that was released, but most had the common sense to either deny or not speak out and have faded from memory. I wonder if Josh never released a statement if the public would have moved on. Good point re board bias. I was just thinking the other day that the only two I'm aware of are the two Josh's, Duggar and Real Housewife of NYC Josh Taekman. I was sure there were others but completely not on my rader. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710208
Churchhoney November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I've been wondering since the whole Joshgate II went down just how much the Duggars/ATI/Gothard people understand that a REAL rehab doesn't work like this. Not at all like this. Of course, in their tiny but incredibly arrogant and deluded minds, nothing is "real" except their particular brand of it. .... So for the Duggars what we think of as real rehab is just like real school, real labor-and-delivery care, real science -- lame, Satan-infested twaddle that they are so blessed and precious and special to know better than. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710433
GeeGolly November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I remembered to jump in to Cisco's Corner tonight, and one of our intrepid posters asked Cisco the rule about visitors. Either Cisco or Edward confirmed that there are only three visits allowed during the course of "treatment." It was also admitted that "treatment" at RU consists of dealing with a shit ton of rules and regulations until you learn to "obey" God. (or fake it until you make it, for a lot of them, I bet). Alrighty then. I just can't see Smuggar actually following rules, he of no self-control. Having strict rules is part of all addiction rehabs. in part to reinforce discipline and self-control, and also for folks to realize the systemic nature of addiction and how it effects not only you but all those around you. It certainly would be helpful for Josh to practice and realize those things. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710452
Churchhoney November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) Having strict rules is part of all addiction rehabs. in part to reinforce discipline and self-control, and also for folks to realize the systemic nature of addiction and how it effects not only you but all those around you. It certainly would be helpful for Josh to practice and realize those things. I wonder whether the most difficult thing when it comes to Josh's "addictions" -- not sure that he actually has anything that fits that name, but his problems anyway... -- might be that when it comes to advising him to take a straighter and narrower path, abide by rules and so on, you'd run headlong into what I think is probably the huge buried issue. The traditions and beliefs from which come the rules he'd be asked to abide by are things to which he has given and, probably, still does give massive lip service, but they're actually dead and empty and maybe even hateful to him now. I expect that the "faith" that was supposed to give his life meaning -- even to having it supposedly inform his "political" job -- doesn't give him any meaning at all or connect him meaningfully to anyone today. I think he's probably quite anchorless and rudderless, with no idea at all where he can find actual meaning in his life, and for a straightening-up regime to have the desired effect, I think it has to address that kind of existential drift. And that's especially hard to do when you're dealing with somebody who either has to re-embrace something he doesn't believe, down underneath, or else cut himself loose from everything he's known and find some new set of beliefs to help order his life and give it meaning. Josh being a Duggar, I expect that the path he'll try to take will be the seemingly easier but ultimately hypocritical one of re-embracing his parents' "faith" (or whatever the hell that is) and following all the RU-type "biblical" rules (at least ostensibly). But since I'm sure that Josh's "belief" in all of that is just a sham at this point (or maybe always was), I expect that any "help" or "cure" he'd get from doing that would be at best temporary. Eventually -- and maybe sooner rather than later -- he'll find himself lacking any real anchor or rudder once again, and he'll just drift back into his usual patterns. I think that without addressing what's probably a vast sense of emptiness inside him by helping him find some real meaning in life for himself, no treatment regimen is going to be successful. But finding meaning is hard work and would also demand that he openly question things that his parents -- read: his cash cow -- don't want questioned. And I'm pretty sure that Josh is a lazy, cowardly Duggar who's very unlikely to work hard or truly rock the boat. Honestly, I don't think there's any help for him, if we're talking about true, deep change into somebody very steady and grounded and positive. At RU or any other place. I think he's just in for a life of drift, full of lip service to conservative Christianity, perhaps with occasional forays into something that shocks them, like adultery. But of course that makes him just like millions of other people. .... Edited November 14, 2015 by Churchhoney 20 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710490
BetyBee November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Maybe Josh is taking the opportunity to get out of Dodge (RU) while everyone is distracted by the horrible name that headship Ben and his helpmeet Jessa bestowed on their innocent firstborn. Seriously, that did take the media focus off of Josh and the Duggars are counting on the public's short memory. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710536
Arwen Evenstar November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Church honey, Very articulate, thughtful, and excellent post! You nailed it on all levels. I too was of the mind that Josh is questioning and weighing which Duggar values work for him and which ones just don't make sense anymore. All his life he was told things were a certain way and to never question any of it. Now that he's been essentially cut adrift and rudderless, he's not sure who he is anymore or grounded in the man he needs to be to be considered a decent person. There are plenty of loving, open and affirming churches that would readily welcome him to find a new spiritual home free of the Gothard cray-cray. Don't feel your present place of worship or denomination works for you anymore, Smuggs? Simply find another free of the guilt and shame and blame and nonsense. Boob and Googly Eyes are still smacking their heads...they followed all the Wisdom Booklets...HOW in their limited sphere of critical thinking could such a thing happen they wonder. To quote my English mother..they "still can't get their hat on about it". 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1710784
JenCarroll November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 He...uh, has one bone. rotflmao I'm going to hell. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711077
BrianJ62 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 rotflmao I'm going to hell. Can we go together? rotflmao I'm going to hell. He doesn't have a funny bone 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711110
Tunia November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Since the Jessa and Ben thread is being renamed to include Spurgeon, should we consider renaming this one as well to include the M's? I'll offer a minor adjustment to the current name: Josh, Anna and the Smuggarettes 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711114
JenCarroll November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 He doesn't have a funny bone How do you know? His bone might be hilarious once you get acquainted. Sigh. I'll save you a seat. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711171
Joe Jitsu913 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I've read a book about Scott Peterson by Dr. Keith Ablow where he says that when you're emotionally suffocated, you have no sense of self and you wear a mask at all times to hide your true motives. I have a feeling this is what's going on with Josh. Josh has been told who to be, what to believe in, how to act, what to say etc. by his parents and his cult. His mask is being a religious husband and father who's on fire for Jesus. But we all know he loves his porn and hookers and we all know about his molesting tendencies . I wouldn't be surprised to find Josh in trouble with the law or to find out he's a sociopath. Again, this is pure speculation on my part. Anna and the kids are just casualties in all of this. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711551
Tunia November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 I can see the humor, but OTOH I dislike anything that appears to be ridiculing or snarking about infants and small children, and "Smuggarettes" strikes me that way. LOL. Oh my...have you visited the Jessa and Ben threads lately? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711788
MrHufflepuff November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 If we're discussing changing the thread title, at the very least, "Goody Smuggar" needs to go in there somewhere. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711839
Arwen Evenstar November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 I'm still laughing about Goody Smuggar! That was indeed most excellent! How about Josh and Goody Smuggar and Their M&Ms? 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1711861
Purpose to defraud November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 (edited) I realize that some people may think that Anna is working on her appearance more to win Josh back - but the other possibility is that she is working on herself for a change. When my scumbag cheated on me, I went through the depression but then I was pissed. I realized that I had concentrated so much time on him, the kids (nothing wrong with devoting time to kids) and the house that I had not really concentrated on me. I started working out more, more makeup, better clothes and simply felt better about me. I'm hoping above hope that Anna is feeling empowered. She really does hold all the cards IMO. Plus, the poor girl has been out from under the daily pregnancy test crap for a while now. I hope they never release him from RU. I'm really happy to see her hanging out with Amy. Amy is pretty much the only one in that family that is going to give her some honest advice about her scumbag husband. There is something untrustworthy about Amy. Anna should watch her back. Amy is using Anna for attention, I'm afraid. The blood Duggars may have had a belly full of her and her husband's online criticisms. Edited to add I hope Anna IS working on herself, for herself. Edited November 15, 2015 by Purpose to defraud 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1712842
Soup333 November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 There is something untrustworthy about Amy. Anna should watch her back. Amy is using Anna for attention, I'm afraid. The blood Duggars may have had a belly full of her and her husband's online criticisms. Edited to add I hope Anna IS working on herself, for herself. Amy is using her entire family for attention. But I do feel sorry for Anna. She can no longer use her public Instagram to post pictures of anything without getting a shitload of negative comments about her family. No more People covers for her, the show is cancelled...It must hurt so much to be cut off from the gravy train. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1712876
Arwen Evenstar November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 My heart really goes out to Anna...she must just really feel cheated and failed by everything she was taught to believe in...and if she followed the formula for being the perfect daughter, wife, and mother...her life was supposed to have been peachy keen... I just hope she uses this as a springboard to work on herself to realize what a gem she is...she's pretty and kind and loving and seems to be an excellent mother as well.. She deserves better than what she got and I'm sure she really is beginning to realze... that she can have a life of her own and not simply being someone else's broodmare for a church that she knows has failed her. This too has to be devastating to her as she sees her faith as a huge part of who she is. I hope she realizes that she would be welcome in almost any other church with open arms and even if she decides another version of fundamentalism is still right for her...anything has to be better than GothardIsm and would allow her far more freedom than she would have in Duggarland. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1713120
kokapetl November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 (edited) The way things have fallen apart must be harder on Anna, unlike Josh, she really wanted and believed in the lifestyle. Edited November 15, 2015 by Kokapetl 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1713127
Arwen Evenstar November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 If raised like Josh or Anna I'm sure Breaking Gothard must be hard. Like most cults, members are indoctrinated to believe that there is nothing for them outside the compound walls and they are kept helpless and powerless by their leader and his/her minions and promised grave consequences for defying/rebelling against/leaving. They've been keep deliberately undereducated by Wisdom Booklets that are booklets but don't necessarily contain Wisdom or any other useful life skills or teach things actually in the Bible. Following an 80 year old male sworn virgin with a foot fetish as their supreme earthly spiritual teacher on marriage, sexual health, child rearing and finances boggles the mind to the point that it's laughable. 19 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1713201
MargeGunderson November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 The way things have fallen apart must be harder on Anna, unlike Josh, she really wanted and believed in the lifestyle. And she probably believes that she bears some responsibility for all of this, which is so sad. I really wish she'd take a good hard look at the situation and her beliefs and just say screw that. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1714040
Darknight November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 Flds women leave all the time. I hope Anna finds the strength to leave. Take the kids and go. There's organizations out there to help. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1715574
GeeGolly November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 Flds women leave all the time. I hope Anna finds the strength to leave. Take the kids and go. There's organizations out there to help. I'm wondering, with all the indoctrination that occurs, how much mental gymnastics must take place, before women like Anna can even get to thoughts of having options. What does it take to get those circuits turned on, so their thoughts can go left, rather than right? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1715609
NEGirl November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 (edited) Anna probably feels it is her fault because she has been told by people including Mechelle it is her fault. I also think their kids should be left alone. Josh and Anna are adults and have left themselves open to snarking, not their kids. they have no control over who their father is. Edited November 17, 2015 by NEGirl 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1715742
Churchhoney November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 (edited) Flds women leave all the time. I hope Anna finds the strength to leave. Take the kids and go. There's organizations out there to help. I think the complete over-the-top outrageousness of the FLDS probably is making it easier to leave these days than it is to leave less extreme situations like the Josh-Anna marriage, though. When you have multiple wives and "wives" aged 12 and massive federal investigations, making up your mind that you're right to leave gets a bit of a boost. In Anna's situation, she'll have to figure out that something that looks much nearer to normal -- plus something that's supplied her, in the past at least, with a way way better lifestyle than she may have ever imagined having previously -- is bad enough to justify defying God, your parents and your inlaws and walking out. Like the FLDS folks, she does have a sort of network she could escape to in her non-Gothard siblings, so I think that might help her make the decision to quit. But most of what she's experienced with Josh is stuff that gets written off as kind of normal and something that people can be forgiven for and reform from. So she'd have to come to see it in a different light to justify leaving. And that's gotta be quite hard to do in her situation. I'd like to see her leave. Heck, I'd like to see Josh leave. But being fairly well off financially within the marriage and in a situation that looks kind of close to normal are both barriers to people getting out, I think. Edited November 16, 2015 by Churchhoney 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1715816
sometimesy November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 If Josh wanted to slip out of RU and back to Tonitown, Spurgeon's birth was the perfect time. Wonder if they took advantage. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1717443
lookeyloo November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 There was that unconfirmed rumor that they went to get him. Time will tell Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1717765
TaxNerd November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 If Josh wanted to slip out of RU and back to Tonitown, Spurgeon's birth was the perfect time. Wonder if they took advantage. He served two months, the Duggars can "homeschool" the rest. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1717940
GeeGolly November 16, 2015 Share November 16, 2015 He served two months, the Duggars can "homeschool" the rest. Actually I think that is an RU option. Weird as it is. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1717950
Arwen Evenstar November 17, 2015 Share November 17, 2015 We'll never know...maybe Boob negotiated Smuggs' "release" and got a lesson while he was there on "discipline" so he could save money like he does with all his DIY projects. Sadly it won't be the sort of "discipline session" that Smuggs may enjoy...it would still be bondage though! Oh dear, I think I just defrauded myself...might have too see myself out to the Prayer Closet for that one! :-) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1718250
cheatincheetos November 17, 2015 Share November 17, 2015 So either he gets a secret vasectomy or do what he did. Can't get a secret vasectomy. If the scars are at all visible he would fail JimBoob's monthly "Sacred Sack" magnifying-glass inspection of all the breeding Duggar males to ensure that he isn't being defrauded of any grandchildren. We'll never know...maybe Boob negotiated Smuggs' "release" and got a lesson while he was there on "discipline" so he could save money like he does with all his DIY projects. Sadly it won't be the sort of "discipline session" that Smuggs may enjoy...it would still be bondage though! Oh dear, I think I just defrauded myself...might have too see myself out to the Prayer Closet for that one! :-) Josh probably couldn't even get through a retirement-planning class because he hears "stocks and bonds" and pictures something else. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/249/#findComment-1719487
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