S08.E17: And Away We Finally Go

[Trace]

I am convinced that Tom is slipping ecstasy in Lu's coffee. 

[ZaldamoWilder]

6 hours ago, Knuckles said:

I would just like to note that these women are being entertained on a fabulous yacht, with staff, including a chef and a hairdresser, with drinks and food at hand, with glorious weather, and yet as guests they are catty, backbiting and utter ingrates. Feeling especially worn down by a hard week at work, I was just struck by how little awareness they had of their great good luck. Not one of them had even the most marginal courtesy towards their hostess...I'd like to suggest that Lu toss these hos overboard, and invite some of us to join her. 

Babe we finna be disappointed every week expecting something decent from the s.s. hubris.  You're welcome to come over and watch the Little Couple with me.   Shockingly Sonja is the one who came the closest.  In the TH just after her arrival, the *we got the yacht* lindy hop and the comparison to her ex's boat, she says (paraphrasing) but still, it's quite nice that we even have a yacht to party on. 

9 hours ago, ichbin said:

Was that Jules?    Features looked different, particularly the nose, unless she's had work done.  I thought it might have been a childhood photo of her mother.

I thought it was Jules, not because it looked like her necessarily but the coloring and background didn't look typical for school pics for when her mom would've been that age - in the 50's maybe?

[poeticlicensed]

What's with the note that Beth says she needs to travel? It certainly isn't for the airlines. They only care if you are pregnant in your 3rd trimester. But I think it's an advisory only. How could they possibly control it unless they stop every every pg travel and ask. I think the only time you need a medical note is if you are planning to bring certain kinds of equipment on board. The only thing I can think she is referring to is a note from one doctor to another okaying her to go. But again, that's just a courtesy. 

I'm with the posters upthread who are amazed that Beth wears white pants and sits on white couches when her bleeding is as intense as she says. I have polyps which I am getting removed in a few days and lemme tell you, I only wear black and watch where I sit when I am bleeding. If her bleeding is anything like mine has been, even the most super strength tampon only lasts for 20 minutes. The fact that she is sitting there in light colored pants on a white couch make me think that she is engaging in a bit of hyperbole. 

[ghoulina]

8 hours ago, lunastartron said:

And yet it's symbiotically and conveniently at the same time no big deal that Tom was enjoying an all-access pass to the former Mrs. Morgan while he was allegedly courting Ramona over a course of four or five or six or seven or eight dates?

This is where they lose me. I do think the fact that this dude has dated, banged, proposed to all of these women is a bit shady. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But how are Ramona and Sonja going to act so aggrieved by Lu not telling them about Tom, when they were both involved with him at relatively the same time as well? And THEIR friendship is a lot more genuine and goes back a lot longer. It's a cluster for sure, but I'd respect them more if they just admitted that they run in a small circle, and all 3 of them have been after a wealthy man; Lu just happened to nab one first. 

[ElDosEquis]

One thing I have noticed?

These bitches PLAN the drama. Instead of heading into a party/gathering with an 'open agenda', they begin to outline their 'game' plan way before anything happens. They are ready to fight at the drop of a hat.

[izabella]

Yes, we've seen them planning on the show multiple times now.  That little gathering at Bethy's to discuss how Lu's celebration on the yacht would go was one of the latest examples.

[WireWrap]

7 hours ago, straightshooter said:

I see what you're saying, and yes, several of them do have their little jealousy issues.  I don't think they're as jealous as she likes to think, however.  I don't personally care how any of them feel on the subject at this point.  I think the situation itself is actually funny - might be a little sad for Sonja for a minute or two, but I believe that each of them do have a side that is genuinely happy for her, so I'm not too worried about any of them.  

My point wasn't really about Lu vs. the others, though.  She just comes across as being so very immature, I feel that second hand embarassment that comes with reality TV territory.  The way she is acting now gives the impression that she's more ecstatic about being the first to the altar than she is about the relationship itself.   

I think Luann is just as surprised/shocked as the others that she found love again and so soon with Tom, so she keeps repeating it. I don't think she is trying to rub it in with the others but is still in disbelief about it herself. During her special, it looked like she was the same way with the Count when they were with her family, all giddy, girly, gushing about how in love she was. LOL It is both annoying and endearing/funny at the same time, which seems very true to the Luann we have seen over the years. Most of the time she is cool, a little detached and guarded but the little girl full of delight shows up time to time. LOL

[OFDgal]

10 hours ago, ryebread said:

More unpleasant than Bethenny's blood and the Moaner hitting on guys Avery's age, was Carole stuffing her maw with one olive after another at Beth's apartment.  Does she not know how to chew with her mouth closed?.

Although Moaner telling the porter, several times, that she wanted to rip her clothes off was a cringeworthy second place.

Me, neither.  She's an obnoxious blowhard.

I was just staring at Carole eating too.  Not sure if she just does this when on screen so we will think that she eats anything in sight (with her mouth open).  It was so gross watching her.  I thought that maybe she had fixed her own plate but realized she was eating off the common plate. Ick.

[Kathcart]

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More unpleasant than Bethenny's blood and the Moaner hitting on guys Avery's age, was Carole stuffing her maw with one olive after another at Beth's apartment.  Does she not know how to chew with her mouth closed?

It's really revolting to watch. Somebody needs to call in the Chewing Whisperer to charge Carole a couple of grand to come to her house and teach her how to chew politely.

Also, people like Luann and Carole who act like they're so above everyone else and then say stuff like "So-and-so is throwing a party for Tom and I ..."  Hah. Busted.

[njbchlover]

10 hours ago, Jade Foxx said:

Thanks for the reminder - Lu looked basic as hell in that clearance rack white halter dress!!

 

9 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

Lu is annoying as hell this season, but I'm also upset that in addition to losing her mind, she's lost her fashion sense as well.  I used to love how Lu dressed and how she carried herself.  Now I cringe watching her.  

I actually think crazy Sonya is gorgeous....petty/jealous that Lu tied down money bags, but still gorgeous.

I was wondering if the dresses (or at least the halter sundress) are from her shopping channel clothing line.  

Luann is similar to Lisa Vanderpump, imo.  They both look almost always look fantastic in casual daytime outfits that they just sort of "throw together", but usually are not quite up to par for evening or cocktail party styles.

 

ETA:  I just checked out Luann's collection on Evine - neither of the two white dresses are there.  

Edited July 28, 2016 by njbchlover

[poeticlicensed]

Thanks for the reminder - Lu looked basic as hell in that clearance rack white halter dress!!

I was always told that you shouldn't wear a heavy necklace with a halter neckline. 

[HunterHunted]

6 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

What's with the note that Beth says she needs to travel? It certainly isn't for the airlines. They only care if you are pregnant in your 3rd trimester. But I think it's an advisory only. How could they possibly control it unless they stop every every pg travel and ask. I think the only time you need a medical note is if you are planning to bring certain kinds of equipment on board. The only thing I can think she is referring to is a note from one doctor to another okaying her to go. But again, that's just a courtesy. 

I'm with the posters upthread who are amazed that Beth wears white pants and sits on white couches when her bleeding is as intense as she says. I have polyps which I am getting removed in a few days and lemme tell you, I only wear black and watch where I sit when I am bleeding. If her bleeding is anything like mine has been, even the most super strength tampon only lasts for 20 minutes. The fact that she is sitting there in light colored pants on a white couch make me think that she is engaging in a bit of hyperbole. 

I suspect the note was for production to explain why she couldn't participate in the full slate of filming in Florida. Aviva had to jump through a bunch of hoops with her doctor to explain why she couldn't travel to Montana. It seems like production grants approval to not travel on one of the trips if you have an actual conflict with your real life or if you have medical reasons you can't travel. The women all complain about the trips because the cameras are there from the moment they get up to the moment they go to bed. In some cases, that can be from 9am to 2 or 3 in the morning. I'm sure they'd all like to call in sick, which would explain why production requires a doctor's note.

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

This is where they lose me. I do think the fact that this dude has dated, banged, proposed to all of these women is a bit shady. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But how are Ramona and Sonja going to act so aggrieved by Lu not telling them about Tom, when they were both involved with him at relatively the same time as well? And THEIR friendship is a lot more genuine and goes back a lot longer. It's a cluster for sure, but I'd respect them more if they just admitted that they run in a small circle, and all 3 of them have been after a wealthy man; Lu just happened to nab one first. 

Tom didn't propose to Sonja or Ramona though, he hooked up with Sonja a few times over a 10 year time frame, took Ramona on a couple of dinner dates and a couple of group outings but nothing more. I agree, Sonja should be more upset at Ramona "dating" him than Luann and visa versa but I don't think Tom though much of either "relationship" to inform them of his past like he did with Luann. I also question why Sonja never mentioned him to her close, long term friend Ramona if she had hopes of the relationship developing beyond hookups. Either Sonja/Ramona aren't close friends at all or Sonja never really had a long term anything with Tom and is just going along with this as a storyline and to help get in better with Bethenny.

Also, I think Ramona is helping to wind Sonja up for Bethenny's continued plan to take Luann down.

[ZaldamoWilder]

9 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

This is where they lose me. I do think the fact that this dude has dated, banged, proposed to all of these women is a bit shady. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But how are Ramona and Sonja going to act so aggrieved by Lu not telling them about Tom, when they were both involved with him at relatively the same time as well? And THEIR friendship is a lot more genuine and goes back a lot longer. It's a cluster for sure, but I'd respect them more if they just admitted that they run in a small circle, and all 3 of them have been after a wealthy man; Lu just happened to nab one first. 

ghoulina, I think you just crystalized this.   I really think Ramona and Sonja are operating from the perspective that knowing it was more than just casual with Tom is the thing that should've prompted her to bring him up to them because she knew they dated him.   She can quit acting innocent about that, Manhattan is small as fuck.  They didn't know he was dating her.  And again, it's only important because the threshold seems to be that the relationship has moved beyond the casual.  Ramona alluded to it that day in her apartment when she told Lu about Tom's boundary problem with his ex.  She said I didn't say anything to you about him before now because who knew you were keeping him?   If I'm following the musical cooters logic properly, it's fine to do who you do and do who I do because we're all just having fun and the guys are temporary, but when it gets real, heffa send out a group chat or something.   I neither agree or disagree with cooter circle policy but what is annoying is Lu is acting like the shit is brand new to her.  This was the precise nature of one of her many pronged gripes about Carole not disclosing Adam.  She said she would've been fine never talking about it if he were just a fling but the minute it turned into something she expected Carole to have called her up.     Well?  Which is it?

[poeticlicensed]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

This is where they lose me. I do think the fact that this dude has dated, banged, proposed to all of these women is a bit shady. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But how are Ramona and Sonja going to act so aggrieved by Lu not telling them about Tom, when they were both involved with him at relatively the same time as well? And THEIR friendship is a lot more genuine and goes back a lot longer. It's a cluster for sure, but I'd respect them more if they just admitted that they run in a small circle, and all 3 of them have been after a wealthy man; Lu just happened to nab one first. 

ITA. 3 out of 6. And that's just among the howives. My guess is that his penis has cut a wide path through the UES.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

33 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

What's with the note that Beth says she needs to travel? It certainly isn't for the airlines.

. The fact that she is sitting there in light colored pants on a white couch make me think that she is engaging in a bit of hyperbole. 

Maybe Bravo wanted it, to "clear" her for work. And it is absolute hyperbole from B 24/7. 

15 minutes ago, OFDgal said:

I was just staring at Carole eating too.  Not sure if she just does this when on screen so we will think that she eats anything in sight (with her mouth open).  It was so gross watching her.  I thought that maybe she had fixed her own plate but realized she was eating off the common plate. Ick.

Girl has eating issues. She projects so much onto Jules which sealed it for me. Everything w/her is about attention. Younger bf, her pageturning (sarcasm mine) memoirs, camera time, dog shit in a coffee cup, hipster clothes and furniture. The eating w/the mouth open thing is SO a manifestation of some sort of disorder..... 

10 hours ago, Sai said:

Good for Sonja and I thought she looked fantastic in that dress.  I would have done the same.  

Sonja rocked it. I totally would have as well I guess there are 2 trains of though on that and I would have gone Sonja's route. That thing was couture and it fit her perfectly- however one false move, wrong fabric- any leather, or cut off the rack and it would have looked Frederick's of Hollywood. 

Luann looked fat and bloated in both of her white dresses. More Mrs. Roper than Shannon Beador.

YMMV but that yacht looked plasticy and 80's with the floor running lights and rounded bed angles etc. A pre fab 80's modular home on water all it was missing was a waterbed.  Give me an old wood boat and some Pultizer fabric.  Luann still thinks she is going to live the "old money" lifestyle which is your kids getting lice in Switzerland over their summer, your family giving the Statue of Liberty to America, and boarding school and horses. Tom is NONE of that. A condo is West Palm and a rented yacht, looking fat in your Evine clothing @ your "Palm Beach engagement party" is not old money. TACKY. When it's over Luann is going to look like Sonja scraping for the old lifestyle. 

* Bethenny at her house "sit on the floor if you want to be cozy"- always producing pushing prodding, manipulating to get the edit and "scene" she wants. 

Edited July 28, 2016 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[ElDosEquis]

28 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

What's with the note that Beth says she needs to travel? It certainly isn't for the airlines. They only care if you are pregnant in your 3rd trimester. But I think it's an advisory only. How could they possibly control it unless they stop every every pg travel and ask. I think the only time you need a medical note is if you are planning to bring certain kinds of equipment on board. The only thing I can think she is referring to is a note from one doctor to another okaying her to go. But again, that's just a courtesy. 

I'm with the posters upthread who are amazed that Beth wears white pants and sits on white couches when her bleeding is as intense as she says. I have polyps which I am getting removed in a few days and lemme tell you, I only wear black and watch where I sit when I am bleeding. If her bleeding is anything like mine has been, even the most super strength tampon only lasts for 20 minutes. The fact that she is sitting there in light colored pants on a white couch make me think that she is engaging in a bit of hyperbole. 

The note is nothing but a bunch of fuckery to make people think her case of fibroids are something special -
"Oh, I can't go with you, need a note from my doctor to participate......"

Next she can get note for Cookie to be a one of those dogs you need because you have fake neuroses. They should hire a doctor for each show and have the ladies sign a release so we can REALLY find out what the hell is the matter with them?

[charmed1]

36 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

What's with the note that Beth says she needs to travel? It certainly isn't for the airlines. They only care if you are pregnant in your 3rd trimester. But I think it's an advisory only. How could they possibly control it unless they stop every every pg travel and ask. I think the only time you need a medical note is if you are planning to bring certain kinds of equipment on board. The only thing I can think she is referring to is a note from one doctor to another okaying her to go. But again, that's just a courtesy. 

I'm with the posters upthread who are amazed that Beth wears white pants and sits on white couches when her bleeding is as intense as she says. I have polyps which I am getting removed in a few days and lemme tell you, I only wear black and watch where I sit when I am bleeding. If her bleeding is anything like mine has been, even the most super strength tampon only lasts for 20 minutes. The fact that she is sitting there in light colored pants on a white couch make me think that she is engaging in a bit of hyperbole. 

I'm saying. My fibroids had gotten so bad that when I stood to give a presentation at work, a large amount of blood actually rolled down my pants and to the floor. I ran out to the bathroom and came back in to give my presentation. Horribly embarrassing, but I had things to do. Sorry for the gross out, guys. But I never thought of myself as "sick," as Bethenny and her servants keep referring to her as. I wish I had, so I could milk the hell out it, like she is.

[KCinKC]

10 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

Ramona needs to go to a class to learn how fucking walk and sit with those boobs of hers.  Her posture and poses make it look like she has two pinatas strapped to her torso and several small children just out of side are giving them a good hearty constant whacking. 

 

 

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Ramona walks like a duck.  But even worse than her is Dorinda. Every time they show her walking, I cringe.  She doesn't just walk a little duck-footed like R does, but its like her feet are at right angles from her ankles.  I saw it when she came into Beth's apartment once, last week at the casino, and again on this ep when they were walking in the airport.  I don't know how she gets any forward motion and doesn't just fall over because the left and right sides want to go two different ways.

There, I feel better having this cattiness out. :)  

[Pickles]

So, back to Tom. What is the difference between West Palm Beach and Palm Beach? I take it West Palm Beach is where ordinary people live and Palm Beach is where the monied people reside? 

Is Tom really hitting the jackpot by marrying Luann? Is she sitting on piles of money? Does Tom have a ton of money or or not really? 

[Lucygirl2]

I've been biting my tongue with regards to LuAnn because the only time I cared at all for her was when she was "a friend of".  She is absolutely unbearable these days, I get she is happy she landed a new wallet & all but she is acting like she is a sorority girl who got the captain of the football team.  (just a note: but I swear if we are treated to another storyline of Lu talking of having a baby next season, I am out!  We all know the next baby in Lu's future is a grandbaby at some point) Tom is the Goldilocks of these crew, testing out the HWs to find out whose bed is just right... Sonja was too delusional but still a fun lay once in a while, Ramona was.. well, Ramona, she's crazy!  On to LuAnn, who must be the least offensive.  All this HW jumping reeks of Slade Smiley & I just can't warm to it.

I don't want to hear anymore about how much Jules picks up the slack regarding her kids, you have a fucken Nanny, which I don't begrudge anyone who can afford it, but stop acting like you are doing it all alone!!  PS Her hubby is a prick

[Cherrio]

5 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Lu is a very, very nasty & spiteful woman.  She doesn't let us forget that, does she?

Add in fake, couldn't care less about anyone but herself, world class passive aggressive,dumb and a liar. She cheated on Jauques with the pirate and her special documented that it has been a life long pattern. Good luck to her with her Myna bird yellow engagement ring.

Bethenny summed her up perfectly years ago. She is a snake.      I have detested her since season one.

[poeticlicensed]

2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

So, back to Tom. What is the difference between West Palm Beach and Palm Beach? I take it West Palm Beach is where ordinary people live and Palm Beach is where the monied people reside? 

Is Tom really hitting the jackpot by marrying Luann? Is she sitting on piles of money? Does Tom have a ton of money or or not really? 

Palm Beach is essentially an island that is connected to the mainland by bridges and divided from West Palm by the intercoastal. Palm Beach is for the monied. West Palm and surrounding areas like Lake Worth have nice neighborhood and not so nice neighborhoods, like anywhere else. It's like a different universe between West Palm and Palm Beach. 

[Juliegirlj]

11 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Ironically, he's probably a pencil dick.

I'm thinking Michael is more of a chode than a pencil dick! 

[SweetieDarling]

11 hours ago, FanOfTheFans said:

Yeah I'm cynical but I think Lou is giddy over marrying a wallet and Sonja is sad over losing a chance at said wallet. 

Ramona was her usual annoying manic traveler. From hitting on youngsters, to taking advantage of yacht staff, to haranguing Lou about the guest list, and to finally, obnoxiously modeling her swimsuit. Yikes, just chill out already.  It is exhausting watching her act out. Can't imagine actually having to travel with her. Oh and I forgot, trying to con Sonja into carrying her luggage.  

Can't wait till Bethanny has her surgery so hopefully she will stop talking about bleeding.  

Agree with previous posters that Carole is looking rough and Dorinda is definitely stirring the pot. 

And Sonja, va va voom in the LBD.  I don't remember her being quite that busty before. But she has been looking much better lately. I assume the no drinking is a huge factor.  

...and, hopefully, have to miss a few days of filming.

[QuinnM]

Luann - Really the act on the yacht was just too sad.  This is a woman that brags the King of Prussia (?) was smitten with her and always sat her next to him?  It's a boat with really nice amenities.  It is not something anyone would be caught dead in at Cannes.  So I'm now convinced this is an act.  She had no story line other than being desperate to go to a RHOBH party at Bethenny's and now she's the center of attention.  Damn, girl I hope it's worth it.

Bethenny - I really liked her time line with her friend in Miami.  She set down exactly why this whole engagement seems so off to me.  And let me say - if Tom did something bad at the Regency Bar, well he wanted everyone in Manhattan to know about it.  This is the same bar where Bethenny heard about the converstion with Luann saying I'm next.  I'm guessing Bethenny knows the bartender.  Andy's tweets last night said that tonight tees up the last four episodes and they are good.  Not on the hate train for bringing it to tv.  Luann brought the engagement on the show so it's fair game.  This is exactly why Bethenny will not discuss her daughter at all.  If she brings that to the show it's fair game.

Sonja - Ok, she's kinda breaking my heart.  I think she is probably more hurt by Luann than by Tom but it feels real.

Ramona - Not breaking my heart at all.  I know she needs a story but there are already too many players in this one.  She will probably be really pissed that B has a better angle on it than she has.

Carol - Is she still on the show?

Dorinda - You little devil.  I see what you're doing.  But its entertaining so I'm on board.  Even if it is a small yacht.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

6 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Palm Beach is essentially an island that is connected to the mainland by bridges and divided from West Palm by the intercoastal. Palm Beach is for the monied. West Palm and surrounding areas like Lake Worth have nice neighborhood and not so nice neighborhoods, like anywhere else. It's like a different universe between West Palm and Palm Beach. 

That is a good description.  WPB is where Wal Mart is. Palm Beach is where Mar A Lago is. 

Palm Beach: Kennedys, Astors, Posts, Huttons, Dodge, Flagler families. 4 square miles of island. 

WPB: Wal Mart, Schools, families, rec parcs, 55 square miles, average income 40K where Palm Beach is over 100K. 

[SweetieDarling]

I'm no Emily Post, and I haven't read Luann's etiquette book, but isn't it incredibly rude to ask who else is being invited to an event and demand to see the guest list?

[ZaldamoWilder]

4 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

That is a good description.  WPB is where Wal Mart is. Palm Beach is where Mar A Lago is. 

Palm Beach: Kennedys, Astors, Posts, Huttons, Dodge, Flagler families. 4 square miles of island. 

WPB: Wal Mart, Schools, families, rec parcs, 55 square miles, average income 40K where Palm Beach is over 100K. 

So now I'm wondering, does this dude have money or not.    Sigh. It just made me sad to realize that outside of NY and CA, $100K is actually a pretty decent sum to live on.  

Just now, AnitaKnight said:

I'm no Emily Post, and I haven't read Luann's etiquette book, but isn't it incredibly rude to ask who else is being invited to an event and demand to see the guest list?

We might have to take what we can get when it comes to this one.   She didn't do the 400m hurdle room claim.  Small favors.

[Boofish]

Why are Blanche (Ramona) and Jane (Sonja) Hudson not upset with Elvira (Dorinda) for introducing Mrs. Bates (Lu) to Edwin Flagg (Tom)? Since this nonsense can't possibly be real I can only assume they are acting out a modern day version of What Happened to Baby Jane and we are all unwilling participants in the farce.

[njbchlover]

53 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

This is where they lose me. I do think the fact that this dude has dated, banged, proposed to all of these women is a bit shady. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But how are Ramona and Sonja going to act so aggrieved by Lu not telling them about Tom, when they were both involved with him at relatively the same time as well? And THEIR friendship is a lot more genuine and goes back a lot longer. It's a cluster for sure, but I'd respect them more if they just admitted that they run in a small circle, and all 3 of them have been after a wealthy man; Lu just happened to nab one first. 

 

29 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Tom didn't propose to Sonja or Ramona though, he hooked up with Sonja a few times over a 10 year time frame, took Ramona on a couple of dinner dates and a couple of group outings but nothing more. I agree, Sonja should be more upset at Ramona "dating" him than Luann and visa versa but I don't think Tom though much of either "relationship" to inform them of his past like he did with Luann. I also question why Sonja never mentioned him to her close, long term friend Ramona if she had hopes of the relationship developing beyond hookups. Either Sonja/Ramona aren't close friends at all or Sonja never really had a long term anything with Tom and is just going along with this as a storyline and to help get in better with Bethenny.

Also, I think Ramona is helping to wind Sonja up for Bethenny's continued plan to take Luann down.

Wasn't there a scene a while back where Luann told Sonja she was seeing a few guys, but there was one that seemed "special"?  And, also, didn't Luann say in one of her talking heads that she told the girls she was getting serious with someone, but didn't want to tell them who he was until she was sure?  (Or something like that - or, maybe I'm imagining the whole thing, LOL!!)

I don't understand how none of them (Ramona, Sonja and/or Luann) knew of the other's relationship/dalliance/hook-ups with Tom.  As has been mentioned, the UES social circle is a small place.  If Ramona was out on a date, or two or three, at anyplace in the area, wouldn't they have run into or been seen by one of Sonja's acquaintances, or vice versa?  Wouldn't that acquaintance have either phoned or texted Sonja or Ramona "Hey...I just saw Sonja/Ramona out to dinner with that guy you've been dating/hooking up with?"

The gossip circle seems to have acted pretty quickly whenever people saw Tom with someone other than Luann, wouldn't it have worked the same "BL"?

[poeticlicensed]

24 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

That is a good description.  WPB is where Wal Mart is. Palm Beach is where Mar A Lago is. 

Palm Beach: Kennedys, Astors, Posts, Huttons, Dodge, Flagler families. 4 square miles of island. 

WPB: Wal Mart, Schools, families, rec parcs, 55 square miles, average income 40K where Palm Beach is over 100K. 

Average age in Florida is 41

Average age in Palm Beach is 68. 

I'm reserving judgement, but I am getting the feeling that Tom is a bit thirsty. 

Edited July 28, 2016 by poeticlicensed

[OhGromit]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I think Luann is just as surprised/shocked as the others that she found love again and so soon with Tom, so she keeps repeating it. I don't think she is trying to rub it in with the others but is still in disbelief about it herself. During her special, it looked like she was the same way with the Count when they were with her family, all giddy, girly, gushing about how in love she was. LOL It is both annoying and endearing/funny at the same time, which seems very true to the Luann we have seen over the years. Most of the time she is cool, a little detached and guarded but the little girl full of delight shows up time to time. LOL

I think these men fit her childhood rescue fantasies, and that's why she gets so giddy.  The count, a millionaire with a penthouse... Lu is always sure to drop the details that she finds significant about her "loves".  Good lord, the fact that she banged Rey is proof enough that she is attracted to money. 

[WireWrap]

35 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Luann - Really the act on the yacht was just too sad.  This is a woman that brags the King of Prussia (?) was smitten with her and always sat her next to him?  It's a boat with really nice amenities.  It is not something anyone would be caught dead in at Cannes.  So I'm now convinced this is an act.  She had no story line other than being desperate to go to a RHOBH party at Bethenny's and now she's the center of attention.  Damn, girl I hope it's worth it.

Bethenny - I really liked her time line with her friend in Miami.  She set down exactly why this whole engagement seems so off to me.  And let me say - if Tom did something bad at the Regency Bar, well he wanted everyone in Manhattan to know about it.  This is the same bar where Bethenny heard about the converstion with Luann saying I'm next.  I'm guessing Bethenny knows the bartender.  Andy's tweets last night said that tonight tees up the last four episodes and they are good.  Not on the hate train for bringing it to tv.  Luann brought the engagement on the show so it's fair game.  This is exactly why Bethenny will not discuss her daughter at all.  If she brings that to the show it's fair game.

Sonja - Ok, she's kinda breaking my heart.  I think she is probably more hurt by Luann than by Tom but it feels real.

Ramona - Not breaking my heart at all.  I know she needs a story but there are already too many players in this one.  She will probably be really pissed that B has a better angle on it than she has.

Carol - Is she still on the show?

Dorinda - You little devil.  I see what you're doing.  But its entertaining so I'm on board.  Even if it is a small yacht.

If the contract stipulation rumors for Bethenny are true, no one, and I do mean no one, is allowed to talk about anything in her private life. Not her daughter, her business, her divorce, her ex husband, current bf.........nothing. She is allowed to bring them up but the others are not allowed to comment on them unless the agree/repeat back to Bethenny what she said. Yet, Bethenny is allowed to bring up any and all in their lives whether or not they discuss in on camera. That is BS IMO and anyone/anything she talks about on the show is subject for gossip/rumors/half truths just as they are for Bethenny against the others.

13 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

 

Wasn't there a scene a while back where Luann told Sonja she was seeing a few guys, but there was one that seemed "special"?  And, also, didn't Luann say in one of her talking heads that she told the girls she was getting serious with someone, but didn't want to tell them who he was until she was sure?  (Or something like that - or, maybe I'm imagining the whole thing, LOL!!)

I don't understand how none of them (Ramona, Sonja and/or Luann) knew of the other's relationship/dalliance/hook-ups with Tom.  As has been mentioned, the UES social circle is a small place.  If Ramona was out on a date, or two or three, at anyplace in the area, wouldn't they have run into or been seen by one of Sonja's acquaintances, or vice versa?  Wouldn't that acquaintance have either phoned or texted Sonja or Ramona "Hey...I just saw Sonja/Ramona out to dinner with that guy you've been dating/hooking up with?"

The gossip circle seems to have acted pretty quickly whenever people saw Tom with someone other than Luann, wouldn't it have worked the same "BL"?

Luann told Sonja that she was getting serious with Tom pretty early on. It was in her kitchen when Luann was staying with her and Sonja said in her TH "My Tom?", so she did know but didn't bother to tell Luann about her/Tom history. Also, Sonja knew when Tom went out with Ramona those few times but again didn't say a word to her about it. I get the feeling that Sonja didn't consider Tom anything more than a very casual hook up until Ramona convinced her otherwise.

Edited July 28, 2016 by WireWrap

[OhGromit]

34 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Luann - Really the act on the yacht was just too sad.  This is a woman that brags the King of Prussia (?) was smitten with her and always sat her next to him?   

Poor thing.  She's thinking of the mall.  http://www.simon.com/mall/king-of-prussia

[StevieRocks]

You all (as usual) have done a brilliant job of summing up so many of my feelings about this episode, so I'll just add this--the tackiness of LuAnn's white dresses notwithstanding, I thought Carole looked incredibly petty when she snarked to those two crusty old horndogs Moaner and Sonja that LuAnn was wearing white. Smh. To think that Carole initially tried to portray herself as the 'cool' one, and now she's coming off as one of the Plastics on "Mean Girls: AARP Edition." 

Edited July 28, 2016 by StevieRocks

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Tom didn't propose to Sonja or Ramona though, he hooked up with Sonja a few times over a 10 year time frame, took Ramona on a couple of dinner dates and a couple of group outings but nothing more

Oh I know. Sorry, my wording was bad. I meant to imply he did each of those things with one woman each. It's like a progressive scale of Housewives. With Sonja, it's just friends with benefits. And yes, who knows how often this occurred. It went from sounding like an occasional fuck buddy to sounding like he was her dear friend and companion who she often made love to. Next, we have Ramona, who was ostensibly asked out and wined and dined a few times (the exact number is a mystery for the ages), but it never went any further. Then came Lu, and he actually put a ring on it. 

All I was trying to say is, I DO think it's kind of creepy that he's had interactions of some sort with 3 of these women. But I find it ridiculous that Ro and So are acting put out with Lu, but not with each other. 

21 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

 

I'm no Emily Post, and I haven't read Luann's etiquette book, but isn't it incredibly rude to ask who else is being invited to an event and demand to see the guest list?

 

That was sooo weird. Ramona is cuckoo. It was apparent, to me, that she wanted to know who all the available men would be, if any. Why not just wait and see? Because she is on the prowl and she probably wanted to Google them and figure out how to best snag one of them. 

[njbchlover]

24 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

I'm no Emily Post, and I haven't read Luann's etiquette book, but isn't it incredibly rude to ask who else is being invited to an event and demand to see the guest list?

I was expecting Ramona to ask Luann for a full dossier on each of male guests, including marital status and copies of the financial reports.  Ramona came off as rather desperate, again, to latch on any available guy close to her age.  If you didn't catch it, she wasn't happy when Luann named one guy and then mentioned he was bringing his three gay friends.  

Edited July 28, 2016 by njbchlover

[StevieRocks]

11 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Average age in Florida is 41

Average age in Palm Beach is 68. 

Uh-oh. I hope Sonja doesn't see this. She'll jump overboard and start swimming toward there for a wallet.

[poeticlicensed]

1 minute ago, StevieRocks said:

You all (as usual) have done a brilliant job of summing up so many of my feelings about this episode, so I'll just add this--the tackiness of LuAnn's white dresses notwithstanding, I thought Carole looked incredibly petty when she snarked to those two crusty old horndogs Moaner and Sonja that LuAnn was wearing white. Smh. To think that she initially tried to portray herself as the 'cool' one, and now she's coming off as one of the Plastics on "Mean Girls: AARP Edition." 

It's pretty common where I live for the bride to be to wear a white dress to her engagement party and rehearsal dinner. It makes the bride to be stand out. 

[Juliegirlj]

Does Bethenny think the viewer's are idiots?! Who, pray tell, is she giving her doctor's note to?!!! Just....Shut...Up..

Brynn's preference of ordering room service instead of going out for dinner is likely because she realizes that " Mommy doesn't act like Mommy" when they are out in public! 

Carol looks gaunt: her making a big deal about Jules eating disorder was meant to distract from her own weight issues. She looked like a horse eating off that fruit plate. 

Jules is a Daddy's girl, and I thought I detected some tension with her mother. It makes sense since many women with eating disorders have very strong mother figures and often contentious mother daughter issues. Jules Dad had on a Kabbala bracelet. He does look like Norman Fell.

Ramona jockeying for the master suite on the yacht was hysterical. She also wanted first dibs on any available men coming on the boat.  She is almost embarrassing the way she sashays around thinking she looks so fab, when she actually looks like a charicature of herself with those hideous extensions, those giant awkward boobs, and overdone makeup. 

Luann's giddy demeanor reminds me of a Vegas showgirl transvestite : snapping her fingers and saying " Hey Girl"! ( no offense to any cross dressing showgirls) Secretly dating Tom while living with Sonja is suspect. Speaking of sashaying: enter Tom!! His response to Sonja in the preview when she said after he and Lu are married that he should introduce Sonja to some guys seemed more an indication that they aren't really getting married than dissing Sonja. 

Regarding the big secret texts that magically fell into Bethenny's anemic hands- I think Tom was hooking up and propositioning other women after he and Lu got engaged. He must have texted or sexted another woman and she showed them to an acquaintance of Bethenny. Bethenny asking Lu if she and Tom are monogamous was the big clue. Big deal- nothing can pee on Luann's crispy cornflakes...

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Big deal- nothing can pee on Luann's crispy cornflakes...

Well, we all know how much Bethenny loves to pee in public so she is going to give Luann's happiness all the pee she's got! LOL

Edited July 28, 2016 by WireWrap

[bichonblitz]

So we have all basically figured out why Lu is marrying Tom= his WALLET. But why is Tom marrying Lu? 

Sonja is just pissed she wasn't able to lock down Tom and Lu was. Sonja has spent too much time playing the care free, fun, no strings attached girl and now she's getting older and realizes she needs to get serious if she wants to find a Tom of her own. 

Dear God, what is going on with the crazy hair, big fake boobie Ramona? Is this what happens when you're 60 and your husband leaves you for a woman 25 years younger? She is so insecure now it's sad. 

Carole's face is scary. She had a facelift, no doubt, but forgot the fillers which is why she looks so gaunt. She can barely close her tiny little eyes, they are pulled so tight. I'm convinced the reason she can't close her mouth when she eats is because her fake teeth are too big for her mouth. Caitlyn Jenner has the same problem when she eats. 

[StevieRocks]

7 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

It's pretty common where I live for the bride to be to wear a white dress to her engagement party and rehearsal dinner. It makes the bride to be stand out. 

Same here. That's why I thought Carole sounded like a hateful old hagmonster.

[zoeysmom]

33 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

I'm no Emily Post, and I haven't read Luann's etiquette book, but isn't it incredibly rude to ask who else is being invited to an event and demand to see the guest list?

Season 1 when they were discussing Ramona' meltdown over Simon being at the Bethenny/Jill party at Jill's Andy asked the Countess if it was rude and Bethenny and the Countess both said it was inappropriate to ask who was invited and Bethenny went one step further (of course she did to show up Luann) and said you don't ask what food is being served.

Ramona doesn't seem to understand, the party was for Luann and Tom, not a meat market mash up for her.  Ramona has beneath no game, from hitting on the driver and the steward to her flirting with anything with a penis.  She is not sexy or cute she is a 60 year old woman who is seriously lacking a filter or boundaries.  Ramona looks ridiculous drunk and stumbling around the cabin "dancing" by herself.   

[WireWrap]

32 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Average age in Florida is 41

Average age in Palm Beach is 68. 

I'm reserving judgement, but I am getting the feeling that Tom is a bit thirsty. 

If Tom were that "thirsty" we would have seen him/Sonja out together and Tom/Ramona out together. I just don't get that thirsty feeling from the little we have seen so far. Of course, that my change once we get to know him better. LOL

10 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

So we have all basically figured out why Lu is marrying Tom= his WALLET. But why is Tom marrying Lu? 

Sonja is just pissed she wasn't able to lock down Tom and Lu was. Sonja has spent too much time playing the care free, fun, no strings attached girl and now she's getting older and realizes she needs to get serious if she wants to find a Tom of her own. 

Dear God, what is going on with the crazy hair, big fake boobie Ramona? Is this what happens when you're 60 and your husband leaves you for a woman 25 years younger? She is so insecure now it's sad. 

Carole's face is scary. She had a facelift, no doubt, but forgot the fillers which is why she looks so gaunt. She can barely close her tiny little eyes, they are pulled so tight. I'm convinced the reason she can't close her mouth when she eats is because her fake teeth are too big for her mouth. Caitlyn Jenner has the same problem when she eats. 

Luann has her own money, so I don't think she was looking for a "wallet" to marry but at the same time I doubt that she would give serious consideration to someone without deep pockets either.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Luann - Really the act on the yacht was just too sad.  This is a woman that brags the King of Prussia (?) was smitten with her and always sat her next to him?  It's a boat with really nice amenities.  It is not something anyone would be caught dead in at Cannes.  So I'm now convinced this is an act.  She had no story line other than being desperate to go to a RHOBH party at Bethenny's and now she's the center of attention.  Damn, girl I hope it's worth it.

I'm choosing to believe that the only King of Prussia that is smitten with LuAnn is the mall. LuAnn is thirsty as hell. Trying to muscle in on the RHoBH Hamptons trip was desperate. LuAnn knows Rinna and clearly Rinna didn't want to invite her or told her that it wasn't her place to invite guests to Bethenny's party, which is why LuAnn was hounding Bethenny. Very desperate.

I think she actually said it was the King of Greece.

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

ITA. 3 out of 6. And that's just among the howives. My guess is that his penis has cut a wide path through the UES.

Aaahhh!  That visual!

1 hour ago, charmed1 said:

I'm saying. My fibroids had gotten so bad that when I stood to give a presentation at work, a large amount of blood actually rolled down my pants and to the floor. I ran out to the bathroom and came back in to give my presentation. Horribly embarrassing, but I had things to do. Sorry for the gross out, guys.

And you just described my ABSOLUTE worst nightmare.  I am terrified of something like this happening right before a presentation or meeting.  I feel for you!

 

36 minutes ago, OhGromit said:

Poor thing.  She's thinking of the mall.  http://www.simon.com/mall/king-of-prussia

Didn't she say it was the King of Greece?  Was it in the 60s??  Wasn't the Greek monarchy abolished in the early 70s?

 

33 minutes ago, StevieRocks said:

You all (as usual) have done a brilliant job of summing up so many of my feelings about this episode, so I'll just add this--the tackiness of LuAnn's white dresses notwithstanding, I thought Carole looked incredibly petty when she snarked to those two crusty old horndogs Moaner and Sonja that LuAnn was wearing white. Smh. To think that she initially tried to portray herself as the 'cool' one, and now she's coming off as one of the Plastics on "Mean Girls: AARP Edition." 

Carole is so petty!  She is not laid-back and cool at all.  I also laughed at the comment she made in her talking head, after she gave Luann the gift.  Something about how SHE was taking the high road, or "this is what taking the high road looks like!"  Yeah, I think that when you point out that you are taking the high road, it negates the actual high-road-taking. 

Just like calling yourself classy negates any actual class. 

 

33 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

 

That was sooo weird. Ramona is cuckoo. It was apparent, to me, that she wanted to know who all the available men would be, if any. Why not just wait and see? Because she is on the prowl and she probably wanted to Google them and figure out how to best snag one of them. 

Oh you know she wanted to google the net worth of each man.  She cannot waste her time with anyone poor.  She is almost as desperate looking as Sonja.

1 hour ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

That is a good description.  WPB is where Wal Mart is. Palm Beach is where Mar A Lago is. 

Palm Beach: Kennedys, Astors, Posts, Huttons, Dodge, Flagler families. 4 square miles of island. 

WPB: Wal Mart, Schools, families, rec parcs, 55 square miles, average income 40K where Palm Beach is over 100K. 

Ok, wait.  $100,000 annual income is not that much.  I don't live in NYC or CA and I would not be able to live on that.  If this is fancy-schmancy Palm Beach, that seems like a very low average income. 

Edited July 28, 2016 by heatherchandler

[izabella]

2 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Oh you know she wanted to google the net worth of each man.  She cannot waste her time with anyone poor.  She is almost as desperate looking at Sonja.

Yes, absolutely.  I remember her shutting down Bethenny's introducing her to a guy at one of her marketing parties:  "He's a BAR-TEN-DER!" and, of course, that means he's totally beneath her, and apparently, deaf and blind since she yelled it out right in front of him.

[Maire]

Quote

I'm reserving judgement, but I am getting the feeling that Tom is a bit thirsty.

Seems like it right? But if he is a D'Agostino shouldn't he (or at least his family) have some big business grocery store money? I am confused.