Small Talk: 1, 2, 3 Non-Cheerleader Conversation

[onthebubble]

34 minutes ago, KnyghtRyder said:

Yep! The full DCC:MTT seasons 1 and 2 are shown. 

But not the 2 hour special that started is all. 

Fabulous! Thank you! We dont get it here so was deciding whether to get a VPN so i could steam it or not  but didnt want to bother if i couldnt see 1 and 2! 

[scorpio1031]

I don't like the big box covering most of the page with a notification:/

[go4luca]

On 4/27/2021 at 6:00 PM, scorpio1031 said:

I don't like the big box covering most of the page with a notification:/

That new alert box notification is HUGE.  It almost gave me a heart attack the first time.

Re:  all the recent poll threads

Wish the mods could put all the polls in their own section.  There are so many.  Some of us aren't interested in the polls and want to keep up with the regular forum threads.

[StellaCL]

On 4/29/2021 at 3:38 PM, go4luca said:

Re:  all the recent poll threads

Wish the mods could put all the polls in their own section.  There are so many.  Some of us aren't interested in the polls and want to keep up with the regular forum threads.

I wish we had a thread on (but not a poll) on Who do you want to retire and why?
Also, Who do you want to return and why? 

I am new here (longtime reader - finally made an account), but I notice I have been replying to comments that don't have much to do with the topic thread. Even this one ... 

[scorpio1031]

3 hours ago, StellaCL said:

I wish we had a thread on (but not a poll) on Who do you want to retire and why?
Also, Who do you want to return and why? 

I am new here (longtime reader - finally made an account), but I notice I have been replying to comments that don't have much to do with the topic thread. Even this one ... 

Standard procedure when nothing is really happening in the DCC world:)

[parrotfeathers]

I don't think enough people will see my post here but i do't know where to put it.  Maybe the mods would let it go in a more popular and read thread.

It's time for the annual Primetimer Awards.  You can nominate in each category (some of them are doozies).  One category this year:

***Not Just A Prop: Favorite Performance By An Inanimate Object***

I nominated Judy's stool.

[ByTor]

@parrotfeathers I saw that 🤣

[RhiRhi]

1 hour ago, DCCOracle said:

I miss Simon.

Simon wasn’t an insider, just a guy that befriended some DCC online who fed him info. I’d guess his contacts have now retired. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[kcrabtree06]

I might watch a little too much DCC Making the Team. Last night my husband and I were watching Sister Act, and during the final performance where they sing for the Pope, my husband turns to me and says “Wasn’t the choir bigger earlier?”. And the first thing that comes out of my mouth is “Maybe this is like a show group for the Pope! The best of the best who get to do special extra things!”

[Tuxcat]

I'm posting my response here so as not to clog up the audition thread with unnecessary and unrelated information. I have a hard time not responding at all though when repeated comments regarding race and diversity are made in the main threads.  There is so much misinformation and misunderstanding around our world and so I think its important to use our voices to spark opinion whenever the subject comes up. 

For now, let me just state that there are differences between equality, equity and justice as noted in this article below. 

https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equality/

I won't restate the content as it speaks for itself. It may shed light on why it is most certainly not possible in today's world to examine DCC solely based on talent, and beauty... We are not color blind and nor should we be. The discussion regarding diversity is "everywhere" because it is vitally important to consider. It's not about "how many" women of color ultimately make the team. There is a larger issue in the world of professional cheerleading which makes examination a very worthwhile exercise.

I understand the frustration of some commenters who may think that talking about diversity is somehow taking away from white people's struggles, hard work and perseverance or their own talent. But it doesn't at all. We are talking about trying to change our world forward, reinventing systems which support one another,  examine system wide biases which have "tilted the trees." Our past is recent.  As the article shares, I am reposting the "tree"  images. When we talk about "diversity," we are talking about more ladders of varying sizes and then eventually a straight up tree.  There is so much more work to be done. 

 

“The route to achieving equity will not be accomplished through treating everyone equally. It will be achieved by treating everyone justly according to their circumstances.”

—Paula Dressel, Race Matters Institute 1

 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Tuxcat

[klh25]

14 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I understand the frustration of some commenters who may think that talking about diversity is somehow taking away from white people's struggles, hard work and perseverance or their own talent. 

This is not my frustration at all, it's making comments against white people that would be completely unacceptable if turned around.  Race issues are never going to get better if one keeps putting down the other to get there.  I'm for an all POC team if they are the most qualified...I'm not for picking POC just to fill a quota. There are so many variables here, the only ones that can truly answer how they come to their decision is to question the judges (some of which are POC).  If you want to truly make things fair in life, then make it like masked dancer.  But that should also apply to job apps and college apps too, remove sex and race from the form altogether.  

[Tuxcat]

4 minutes ago, klh25 said:

This is not my frustration at all, it's making comments against white people that would be completely unacceptable if turned around.  Race issues are never going to get better if one keeps putting down the other to get there

Please elaborate. I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying people of color are "putting down others" to resolve race issues? 

[klh25]

1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

Please elaborate. I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying people of color are "putting down others" to resolve race issues? 

In some cases yes, and that is not solving anything.  Moving forward is having good conversations, not putting down other races (any of them) to get your statement across.  

[Weeklydcc]

5 minutes ago, klh25 said:

This is not my frustration at all, it's making comments against white people that would be completely unacceptable if turned around.  Race issues are never going to get better if one keeps putting down the other to get there.  I'm for an all POC team if they are the most qualified...I'm not for picking POC just to fill a quota. There are so many variables here, the only ones that can truly answer how they come to their decision is to question the judges (some of which are POC).  If you want to truly make things fair in life, then make it like masked dancer.  But that should also apply to job apps and college apps too, remove sex and race from the form altogether.  

I don't think the comments are anti-white.  I think they're anti-TPTB.  There are those of us who believe the DCC purposely pick white girls because they're white more than they pick black girls because they're black.  If your belief that race doesn't matter was put into action, the DCC squad would be more diverse...and not because of pressure from the fans, but because the black candidates are just as talented, upstanding, polished, etc as the white ones.

[klh25]

7 minutes ago, Weeklydcc said:

I don't think the comments are anti-white.  I think they're anti-TPTB.  There are those of us who believe the DCC purposely pick white girls because they're white more than they pick black girls because they're black.  If your belief that race doesn't matter was put into action, the DCC squad would be more diverse...and not because of pressure from the fans, but because the black candidates are just as talented, upstanding, polished, etc as the white ones.

And those are all assumptions, you don't know any of that for sure.  If that is true than of course they are wrong for doing that.  I would also encourage more POC to try out.  

[bwalker048]

The problem is the false equivalencies that are being drawn here. There is no such thing as reverse racism. BIPOC in this country have been put in a position where they have had to defend themselves for hundreds of years because of systemic racism. Affirmative action has been necessary because of systemic racism. Making sure that diversity happens is necessary because of systemic racism. Since systemic racism is still a huge factor in everything, when this team is being built, it is important to take into account inclusion and representation. You look at the qualified candidates and build a squad that represents the make up of this country. If anyone believes that any of the women of color on this team are only on it to fill a quota, then that is a whole different issue that needs addressing. And I say all of this as a white woman who understands her privilege. 

[pinkandsparkly13]

Oh what a world we live in today... 🙄

[Uk-Eve]

Lets be honest. In a perfect world there wouldnt be hate war etc but as we ALL know the reality is you know it happens. 

[kalibean]

I guess I just find some of these takes disheartening.  You can take a super scraggly white guy off the street, get him a great haircut and an Armani suit and maybe he looks and feels like a million bucks.  We've probably all seen feel good videos on Facebook showing how great some of these men feel after a shower and shave.  You'd never know he'd been living on the streets, and he might just look like any other upper middle class white guy.

A black guy could be wearing that same suit and also looking and feeling like a million bucks, and there are a ton of people in this world that will see his black skin first and treat him accordingly.  Plenty of people might have been raised that way and are learning and adjusting their mind view, which is great.  But plenty aren't, or refuse to see that to too many, skin color is the first or only cast of judgement.  And I don't get why there's such a lack of empathy or understanding about it.

Layer in systemic racism and looking at the class divide within American minority groups, and knowing that being a DCC is a rich girl's game, the odds aren't stacked evenly at the get go.  Shoot, even taking dance classes is nearly impossible...if your parents are working two jobs to make ends meet and put food on the table, they probably don't have the extra cash for dance classes nor time in their schedule to sit around the studio.

Now would a black TCU showgirl and a white TCU showgirl be judged similarly by the TPTB?  Maybe.  Because at that stage in the game, they likely had similar dance training or similar recommendations by coaches.  Or maybe they've decided there are too many dark skinned girls in the bouquet that year, hard to say.  But if that same black TCU showgirl grew up on the same street as the white TCU showgirl, odds are her parents didn't.  There is generational wealth amongst black families in the United States, but dollars to donuts the percentages don't match up.  And we've got some work to do as a society to make sure all kiddos in this country have access to be and do whatever they want no matter their skin tone. 

[Weeklydcc]

28 minutes ago, kalibean said:

I guess I just find some of these takes disheartening.  You can take a super scraggly white guy off the street, get him a great haircut and an Armani suit and maybe he looks and feels like a million bucks.  We've probably all seen feel good videos on Facebook showing how great some of these men feel after a shower and shave.  You'd never know he'd been living on the streets, and he might just look like any other upper middle class white guy.

A black guy could be wearing that same suit and also looking and feeling like a million bucks, and there are a ton of people in this world that will see his black skin first and treat him accordingly.  Plenty of people might have been raised that way and are learning and adjusting their mind view, which is great.  But plenty aren't, or refuse to see that to too many, skin color is the first or only cast of judgement.  And I don't get why there's such a lack of empathy or understanding about it.

Layer in systemic racism and looking at the class divide within American minority groups, and knowing that being a DCC is a rich girl's game, the odds aren't stacked evenly at the get go.  Shoot, even taking dance classes is nearly impossible...if your parents are working two jobs to make ends meet and put food on the table, they probably don't have the extra cash for dance classes nor time in their schedule to sit around the studio.

Now would a black TCU showgirl and a white TCU showgirl be judged similarly by the TPTB?  Maybe.  Because at that stage in the game, they likely had similar dance training or similar recommendations by coaches.  Or maybe they've decided there are too many dark skinned girls in the bouquet that year, hard to say.  But if that same black TCU showgirl grew up on the same street as the white TCU showgirl, odds are her parents didn't.  There is generational wealth amongst black families in the United States, but dollars to donuts the percentages don't match up.  And we've got some work to do as a society to make sure all kiddos in this country have access to be and do whatever they want no matter their skin tone. 

Bravo.

[lemonbus230]

3 hours ago, Weeklydcc said:

I don't think the comments are anti-white.  I think they're anti-TPTB.  There are those of us who believe the DCC purposely pick white girls because they're white more than they pick black girls because they're black.  If your belief that race doesn't matter was put into action, the DCC squad would be more diverse...and not because of pressure from the fans, but because the black candidates are just as talented, upstanding, polished, etc as the white ones.

THANK YOU. This shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

1 hour ago, kalibean said:

I guess I just find some of these takes disheartening.  You can take a super scraggly white guy off the street, get him a great haircut and an Armani suit and maybe he looks and feels like a million bucks.  We've probably all seen feel good videos on Facebook showing how great some of these men feel after a shower and shave.  You'd never know he'd been living on the streets, and he might just look like any other upper middle class white guy.

A black guy could be wearing that same suit and also looking and feeling like a million bucks, and there are a ton of people in this world that will see his black skin first and treat him accordingly.  Plenty of people might have been raised that way and are learning and adjusting their mind view, which is great.  But plenty aren't, or refuse to see that to too many, skin color is the first or only cast of judgement.  And I don't get why there's such a lack of empathy or understanding about it.

Layer in systemic racism and looking at the class divide within American minority groups, and knowing that being a DCC is a rich girl's game, the odds aren't stacked evenly at the get go.  Shoot, even taking dance classes is nearly impossible...if your parents are working two jobs to make ends meet and put food on the table, they probably don't have the extra cash for dance classes nor time in their schedule to sit around the studio.

Now would a black TCU showgirl and a white TCU showgirl be judged similarly by the TPTB?  Maybe.  Because at that stage in the game, they likely had similar dance training or similar recommendations by coaches.  Or maybe they've decided there are too many dark skinned girls in the bouquet that year, hard to say.  But if that same black TCU showgirl grew up on the same street as the white TCU showgirl, odds are her parents didn't.  There is generational wealth amongst black families in the United States, but dollars to donuts the percentages don't match up.  And we've got some work to do as a society to make sure all kiddos in this country have access to be and do whatever they want no matter their skin tone. 

Also this. You all are far too kind and patient in explaining this. But bravo🙌🏻.

[Jess14]

4 hours ago, klh25 said:

This is not my frustration at all, it's making comments against white people that would be completely unacceptable if turned around.  Race issues are never going to get better if one keeps putting down the other to get there.  I'm for an all POC team if they are the most qualified...I'm not for picking POC just to fill a quota. There are so many variables here, the only ones that can truly answer how they come to their decision is to question the judges (some of which are POC).  If you want to truly make things fair in life, then make it like masked dancer.  But that should also apply to job apps and college apps too, remove sex and race from the form altogether.  

The bold applies to everything though, right? People speculate about why certain girls get cut all of the time, but it seems like bringing up race is the only thing that bothers some people about the discussion about who does and who does not make the team. It's unquestionable that the DCCs are not based solely on talent. We have seen that excellent dancers don't make it for weight, or their face, or their body type, etc. As you said, there are a lot of variables. Given that, do you really think race has no bearing at all on who makes the team? Do you think that race has no bearing on who shows up to tryouts in the first place when everyone knows that they need to have the "DCC look," and what is the typical picture of a DCC that most people have (I don't think most people would say that it's a woman of color)? 

I think everyone would prefer a world where everything is based solely on merit, but systemic issues are present and can't be ignored. Like when it comes to college apps, some of the people who don't want race or sex to be considered throw a fit if re-zoning their kids high school is discussed and would never ever send their kid to a "bad school" or predominately minority school. Why? If the kid is so smart, then shouldn't he/she be just fine at the bad school? Of course not! We all recognize in some form or another that there are other factors besides individual merit that impacts how successful someone will be. 

To be clear, I don't think anyone should put down any race or anyone because of race. That is wrong, but discussing why there is a lack of diversity isn't doing that, IMO. 

 

[Tinydancerxo28]

I wasn’t going to chime in but I’m a POC and I’ve noticed a lot of comments regarding race lately. I disagree that these comments calling attention to the lack of diversity of the team are an attack on white people. Not calling attention to the issue doesn’t resolve race issues.  Saying that POC should be accepted only if they’re qualified ignores the fact that year after year, TPTB have taken girls who are definitely not field ready but fit a certain look that they like. I think that some POC may be discouraged from trying out when they know they already may not have the aesthetic that TPTB are looking for and there is a chance that they could be the only POC or one of few on the team. 

[SMP637]

This article was pretty interesting.   It has some quotes from a few former DCC to include Melissa Wallace.  I never understood why the onus is always on the NFL Cheerleader to be responsible for the behaviour of men.   Instead of changing the culuture from within and treating these professional atheletes with respect, they (NFL team owners) choose to disband the team (The Washington Football Team no longer has a pro cheerleading squad).   That is so weird to me.  Anyways,  I'd love to hear your thoughts.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/28/how-fixes-to-cheerleading-are-hurting-women-daily-cover

Edited June 28, 2021 by SMP637

[Tuxcat]

6 minutes ago, SMP637 said:

This article was pretty interesting.   It has some quotes from a few former DCC to include Melissa Wallace.  I never understood why the onus is always on the NFL Cheerleader to be responsible for the behaviour of men.   Instead of changing the culuture from within and treating these professional atheletes with respect, they (NFL team owners) choose to disband the team (The Washington Football Team no longer has a pro cheerleading squad).   That is so weird to me.  Anyways,  I'd love to hear your thoughts.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/28/how-fixes-to-cheerleading-are-hurting-women-daily-cover

Such a challenging issue. While I support wearing whatever celebrates a person individually I think part of the problem relates to why cheerleaders exist in their current form. As the article states, they were born out of objectification.

Now they are professional athletes but they are still wearing a uniform designed to do what exactly? I think that's where I get stuck. The girls shouldn't have to change FOR men but at the same time they are wearing a uniform that was designed deliberately to attract MEN.

I think the bottom line in general is that NFL team owners, directors, managers, supervisors are likely mostly men who are still rooted to the idea that the cheerleaders are there to be sexy entertainers. How can they change that image?

[MaryWebGirl]

32 minutes ago, SMP637 said:

 (The Washington Football Team no longer has a pro cheerleading squad).  

They do, they’re just branding it as a “co-ed dance squad” and not calling them cheerleaders. 

[vanillagum]

13 minutes ago, MaryWebGirl said:

They do, they’re just branding it as a “co-ed dance squad” and not calling them cheerleaders. 

that reminds me, what the heck is up with the mavs team/squad? is that still a thing? are tara and simone still on it? lol

[SMP637]

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

Such a challenging issue. While I support wearing whatever celebrates a person individually I think part of the problem relates to why cheerleaders exist in their current form. As the article states, they were born out of objectification.

Now they are professional athletes but they are still wearing a uniform designed to do what exactly? I think that's where I get stuck. The girls shouldn't have to change FOR men but at the same time they are wearing a uniform that was designed deliberately to attract MEN.

I think the bottom line in general is that NFL team owners, directors, managers, supervisors are likely mostly men who are still rooted to the idea that the cheerleaders are there to be sexy entertainers. How can they change that image?

A start would be to revamp the uniform, like the Miami Dolphins did.  They are still sexy, but they don't scream SEX.  The shorts that DCC wear now look like panties.... back in the 1990s - early 2000s, they were longer, so I know it can be done. 

They could also use their social media more responsibly.  Instead of focusing on hair/nails/tan/teeth sponsorships, they could highlight more of the phenomenal dancing, community service,  and life outside of cheerleading. 

Again look at the Miami Dolphins... they had a toxic work environment that resulted in key staff getting fired.  Under new management,  they completely changed their image and they are now, in my opinion, one of the top pro-cheer teams in the NFL. 

When you look at the Dolphins social media page, you see the involvement in the community (ie the annual bike-a-thon to raise money for cancer research and the annual dance showcase that highlights underserved high schools) you learn about the cheerleaders outside of the uniform and they are professionals, intelligent, diverse, and dynamic.  Do you remember the campaign they did sans makeup.... that was AWESOME!  

Another example, the Tennessee Titans.  They give you glimpses of their practices and that team is AMAZING!  They stunt, dance, and tumble.  Plus they heavily highlight their involvement in the community.  Don't quote me on this,  but I believe they won an award for their involvement in their community. 

When you look at those two teams and compare them to other pro-cheer teams in the NFL,  you see more than just sex objects shaking ass on the field.  You see elite athletes, community leaders, and empowered professional women (and men).  Don't get me wrong,  I LOVE the DCC, but they could do soooooo much more to change the narrative/stigma of being a pro cheerleader.  

Edited June 28, 2021 by SMP637

[HitItHarder..BAM]

55 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Such a challenging issue. While I support wearing whatever celebrates a person individually I think part of the problem relates to why cheerleaders exist in their current form. As the article states, they were born out of objectification.

Now they are professional athletes but they are still wearing a uniform designed to do what exactly? I think that's where I get stuck. The girls shouldn't have to change FOR men but at the same time they are wearing a uniform that was designed deliberately to attract MEN.

I think the bottom line in general is that NFL team owners, directors, managers, supervisors are likely mostly men who are still rooted to the idea that the cheerleaders are there to be sexy entertainers. How can they change that image?

I agree with everything about this post times one thousand.

I think a lot of changes in professional cheerleaders need to start with how the teams themselves treat their cheerleaders: 

1. Provide cheerleaders with better pay (especially if you're going to be demanding basically full-time hours from them)

2.  All teams should be providing free access to cheerleaders for anything required to be on the team. As a bare minimum, access to a trainer and nutritionist so that they can maintain their figures in healthy ways. Also, access to a PT or sports doctor to deal with and help prevent dancing related injuries. 

3. When trying to handle cheerleader schedules, give them basic professional courtesy and schedule meetings and appearances that are compatible with their schedule.

4. Market the cheerleaders as an integral part of the team instead of just as hot women in short skirts. Having personable employees who can also dance is a huge asset that teams are under utilizing. 

In terms of the image, I feel like NFL cheerleading is accidentally progressive in that cheerleaders are super sexualized in their roles as cheerleaders, but then (in theory) can also work as teachers, nurses, etc. without any pushback about the dancing. 

I feel like the uniforms don't need to be swapped out for leggings and workout gear, but to be more family-friendly maybe they should be a little longer than they currently are . To me the dances are a lot less family friendly than the uniforms are.

One more thing, I feel like any changes to NFL cheering need to be made with input from current or former cheerleaders, or at least with their needs in mind. As an outsider, I feel like I tend to gravitate towards how objectifying the uniform can be, but I feel like for a cheerleader pay is a much bigger deal.

[mizzhyer]

So Jaycie Seta is a finalist for the AZ Cards Cheerleaders.  She must have gotten disillusioned with DCC🤓

[RedDelicious]

@HitItHarder..BAM can I just tell you your screen name gives me much needed chuckles! I swear that episode is way up there in the Plutocracy of MTT. It's on ALL the time (and I love it). Screeeeeeeem! 

[HitItHarder..BAM]

1 hour ago, RedDelicious said:

@HitItHarder..BAM can I just tell you your screen name gives me much needed chuckles! I swear that episode is way up there in the Plutocracy of MTT. It's on ALL the time (and I love it). Screeeeeeeem! 

Thank you 😁 honestly I haven't even seen the episode, but that clip of Kitty Carter training a TCC makes me laugh every time

[StellaCL]

1 hour ago, HitItHarder..BAM said:

Thank you 😁 honestly I haven't even seen the episode, but that clip of Kitty Carter training a TCC makes me laugh every time

I just now got this … 😆🤣😂😆

[DCC-UK]

Currently watching the women's all-around gymnastics final and cannot get out of my head that the Canadian gymnast, Brooklyn Moors, has a look of Dayton about her. 

[ByTor]

Oh my goodness, yes!

[DCC-UK]

56 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Oh my goodness, yes!

Not entirely the same but certainly could be related!

[Rosiemac]

I just saw that Shelley is working with the Fab over 40 to raise money for breast cancer. Let's help her get the top five and help a good cause as well. https://votefab40.com/2021/shelly-bramhall

Edited August 20, 2021 by Rosiemac
forgot a word

[Kamal]

I feel so bad for the people living in Texas with the new anti-abortion law. What a place you guys live in.

[Kamal]

1 hour ago, Kamal said:

I feel so bad for the people living in Texas with the new anti-abortion law. What a place you guys live in.

I wonder if they ever use this in a panel interview.

[veronicamers]

OMG, my friend who knows I (very pro-choice) watch the show sent me this. Not sure whether to cry or laugh.  

Edited September 3, 2021 by veronicamers

[Pj3422]

1 hour ago, veronicamers said:

OMG, my friend who knows I (very pro-choice) watch this show sent me this. Not sure whether to cry or laugh  

Lol—I just came over here to post this! 

[kalibean]

I had a couple friends that know I watch the show send it to me...I laughed because it's an amazing meme, great work.  But depressing AF.  

[kalibean]

1 hour ago, go4luca said:

Another option for those who don't want to wait on iTunes or Amazon (which sometimes takes a day or two to upload the new episode, is sign up for Philo.  I believe the first 7 days are a free trial then $25/month.

But as @kalibean said above, a season pass with iTunes or Amazon is cheaper if you don't mind waiting when episodes sometimes get held up and post late.

Okay, so I’m getting ready to move and haven’t had cable for like four years. But what is this magic? $25 seems very reasonable for someone who only watches HGTV, this show and some cooking shows. I watch a lot of football, too, but I figure I’ll have more fun at a sports bar for the money of getting full out cable with ESPN.  Or buying the NFL package. 
 

I’m moving to a small market so not sure yet if they tend to pick Chiefs or Cowboys - KC is closer by a couple hours but Dallas is the larger market. 

[go4luca]

36 minutes ago, kalibean said:

Okay, so I’m getting ready to move and haven’t had cable for like four years. But what is this magic? $25 seems very reasonable for someone who only watches HGTV, this show and some cooking shows. I watch a lot of football, too, but I figure I’ll have more fun at a sports bar for the money of getting full out cable with ESPN.  Or buying the NFL package. 
 

I’m moving to a small market so not sure yet if they tend to pick Chiefs or Cowboys - KC is closer by a couple hours but Dallas is the larger market. 

Sadly, Philo does not offer sports channels or packages (at least last time I checked). I believe they do offer HGTV.

You might want to consider YoutubeTV currently offering a special of $54.99/month for your first three months and includes CMT and several sports channels (plug in your zip code to see what's avail).  After 3 months the rate increases to their normal $64.99/month.  I may drop Sling Blue to go with the YoutubeTV 3 month special since adding Philo just to watch CMT brings me up to $60/month.  

I'm also a cord cutter and love the freedom of switching up my choices and ordering ala carte as needed.  I hate large cable bills and contracts.

Edited September 7, 2021 by go4luca
typos r us

[ByTor]

On 9/7/2021 at 6:57 PM, kalibean said:

Okay, so I’m getting ready to move and haven’t had cable for like four years. But what is this magic? $25 seems very reasonable for someone who only watches HGTV, this show and some cooking shows. I watch a lot of football, too, but I figure I’ll have more fun at a sports bar for the money of getting full out cable with ESPN.  Or buying the NFL package. 
 

I’m moving to a small market so not sure yet if they tend to pick Chiefs or Cowboys - KC is closer by a couple hours but Dallas is the larger market. 

I have Sling Blue. I pay $37.10 a month (just checked my credit card statement to be sure). You can add a package that includes CMT for an extra $6 a month. When the pandemic & lockdowns started, every so often Sling gives some of the add-on channels free for a limited time. At some point they briefly gave CMT as one of those limited-time free channels. That's how I saw last season. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered.

Edited September 9, 2021 by ByTor

[go4luca]

2 hours ago, ByTor said:

I have Sling Blue. I pay $37.10 a month (just checked my credit card statement to be sure). You can add a package that includes CMT for an extra $6 a month. 

OOoOoooOo....many thanks for this tip as I have Sling Blue.  $6/month to add the comedy package that includes  CMT is a deal! 🤗

[Holly85]

If anyone has Hulu live it will be playing on there as well 

[kalibean]

I remember checking into Sling before, so I’ll compare and see what works best for me. Thanks for the tips! I’ve been bumping along just fine with Netflix most of the time, but football starts and I start thinking about it again. 

[TB12]

On 9/3/2021 at 2:05 PM, veronicamers said:

OMG, my friend who knows I (very pro-choice) watch the show sent me this. Not sure whether to cry or laugh.  

This meme is almost too much bc we are heading down some crazy slope well Texas seems to be anyway. I"m thankful I live in the Northeast. I always wonder what the ladies think about the current state of women's rights in Texas... 

[kalibean]

8 hours ago, TB12 said:

This meme is almost too much bc we are heading down some crazy slope well Texas seems to be anyway. I"m thankful I live in the Northeast. I always wonder what the ladies think about the current state of women's rights in Texas... 

Too bad camp was already over, that would have been a saucy media day question. #metoo times a billion.