The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[auntieminem]

I am curious if JB & M knew about the book when Michelle and several of the siblings rolled into LA, including Joy and Austin.  It seems that Jeremy's parents visit more often and since fil is a pastor they may have also had some influence on Jinger's giving up ILBP. I realize they are still in a very conservative belief system but it is still better than Gothard's  cult.  

[Churchhoney]

17 hours ago, SMama said:

Safe to assume Ben is the brother-in-law who got Jinger to question her beliefs.

Yeah, Bin came in a Calvinist, like Jer, so that makes him a Jingle hero now. And he was fresh off Droug Phillips, model of morality and Puritan extraordinaire (except for that child sexual abuser thing,)  But totally not like Gothard -- Oh, wait...,

Lust for 15-year-old girls sure runs hot among their various role models....

[Churchhoney]

19 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I attempted to google the co-author (at least they're open about it this time). All I'm getting are hits on athletes. Maybe someone with better Google fu skills can dig up some dirt on this person? 

I expect the author is this Corey Williams -- who's affilitated with MacArthur's church -- https://www.gracechurch.org/leader/williams/corey

He's the communications officer of the seminary....https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-williams-41894514/

So that fact explains the whole thing, I think. This book is just a Jingle-only version of the four daughters' book, Growing Up Duggar. That one wasn't really "about" the daughters at all. It was completely directed  (though ostensibly just ghostwritten) by David Waller, as a tract to sell Gothardism to teenage girls and their families.

The only thing that the girls did was provide SOME of the anecdotes that are used to illustrate and "prove" the Gothardy points made in the book. But I"m 100-percent convinced that a lot of the anecdotes are actually made up to make Gothardisma sound enticing.....and that they aren't real events at all. 

Now Jingle's just involved in her own individual version of the exact same kind of project.....

This time is's a tract proving that MacArthurish conservative Calvinism is the the thing that makes you "free." It's a sermon and sales letter combined, with some local color from Jingle's life thrown in and her name put on the cover to make the Jonny Mac Calvinism sound enticing to the Duggar fanbase and other young women like Jingle.

Once again, the book is a sales pitch aimed at getting more congregants and members, this time for conservative Calvinist churches, especially MacArthur's. It's a membership magnet aimed at bringing in fresh blood for another dwindling conservativve-Christian enterprise, kust like Growing Up Duggar> It's All About Relationships  was. ..... Promising great and desirable things (relationships in the four-girls book, "freedom" in this one)  for a demographic that they'd love to bring on board but have trouble appealing to (especially because of their intense though semi-hidden misogyny).

I'm sure MacArthur and comapny are aware of the membership boost that the Duggar's show and, especially, the Duggar daughters and their book and so on brought to IBLP/ATI in the earlier years of this century. So they decided to ape that project and see what it could do for them. 

So much for being "free." She's totally being used in this project. But since she's an meek and obedient Christian wife, I'm sure she sees that as her important role in bringing the world to the correct Jesus. And now the whole MacArthur enterprise is trying out a ride on Jingle's DUGGAR name coattails, just like Jer! 

ETA: I don't know that this'll do any damage at all  to her relatinoship with JB and M.

After all, their most-strongly-adherent daughter, Jessa, has also gone largely Calvinist. She and Bin go to the G3 conferences regularly and vritually all of the connections I've seen Bin make with other church guys have been with Calvinist preachers, some old Vision Forum people (the Phillips group) and some not.

....Plus, the boundaries and crossovers in conservative Protestant churches have been melting and shifting for decades. Some heads of Southern Baptist seminaries have been embracing Calvinism in various ways for years now (and that was unheard of just a few decades ago).....The old Baptist-vs.-Calvinist thing in a fight to the death hasn't held for a long time....And the things that JB and M are most concerned with -- sex women's roles gay agendas, etc.-- are viewed quite similarly to how JB and M view them in many places, including Jer's seminary. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

49 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

ETA: I don't know that this'll do any damage at all  to her relatinoship with JB and M.

After all, their most-strongly-adherent daughter, Jessa, has also gone largely Calvinist. She and Bin go to the G3 conferences regularly and vritually all of the connections I've seen Bin make with other church guys have been with Calvinist preachers, some old Vision Forum people (the Phillips group) and some not.

....Plus, the boundaries and crossovers in conservative Protestant churches have been melting and shifting for decads. Some heads of Southern Baptist seminaries have been embracing Calvinism in various ways for years now (and that was unheard of just a few decades ago).....The old Baptist-vs.-Calvinist thing in a fight to the death hasn't held for a long time....And the things that JB and M are most concerned with -- sex women's roles gay agendas, etc.-- are quite similar in many places, including Jer's seminary. 

I don't know, IMO its a bit different quietly moving into similar beliefs, than writing a book stating the faith you were raised in was not Bible based.

Came back to add - Michelle has preached for decades her beliefs about clothes, birth control and raising obedient children are right out of the Bible. So from my perspective Jinger is basically saying the way her parents raised her was a lie.

Edited October 19, 2022 by GeeGolly

[Future Cat Lady]

I don't think the book is as ''scandalous'' as everyone seems to think. I also don't think there is a rift between Jinger and her family.

I'm sure JB & M disapprove some of their daughter's choices, but they didn't disown them. What happen with Jill is because of the Derick/JB feud over money.

[oliviabenson]

So once again the wife is making the $ for the family lol. No one wants to read a book about Jeremy’s life!

[GeeGolly]

31 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I don't think the book is as ''scandalous'' as everyone seems to think. I also don't think there is a rift between Jinger and her family.

I'm sure JB & M disapprove some of their daughter's choices, but they didn't disown them. What happen with Jill is because of the Derick/JB feud over money.

I actually think this is more scandalous than Derick's feud with JB. Derick and Jill continue to support the way Jill was raised as per their 2 YT videos. Jinger is basically saying she was hoodwinked into believing the way she was raised all came from the Bible. IMO, she's implicitly calling her parents liars, dumb or at the very least, ill informed. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't know, IMO its a bit different quietly moving into similar beliefs, than writing a book stating the faith you were raised in was not Bible based.

Came back to add - Michelle has preached for decades her beliefs about clothes, birth control and raising obedient children are right out of the Bible. So from my perspective Jinger is basically saying the way her parents raised her was a lie.

Yeah, I get that.....And I agree it's possible that could happen. 

It's just that I expect the book will be largely about theology-related beliefs and not really about behavior or whatever or really any of the stuff that Gothard emphasixzed like his crazy clothing rules. .....

I'm expecting it to be much more of a positive invitation to MacArthur-brand Calvinism ideas and their view of its benefits. With very little or even no mention of specifics involving other belief groups, especially specific, largely dead cults like Gothardism.

AFter all, a big part of the audience they're hoping to sell their ideas to are probably people who are or have been in other brands of conservative Christianity, so since I think this will be a sales tract, I expect them not to emphasize negative things about those people' former or current beliefs......while heavily emphasizing the wonders of Jingle's new set of beliefs. 

We'll see if my prediction pans out. The Growing Up Duggar book was a sales tracct for Gothardism, but really said little that would offend people who didn't believe in it (yet). They were trying to entice and not really make people feel pushed away. So I expect pretty much the same from this.

In any case, will be interesting to find out how the book is really constructed -- once it comes out and somebody finally gets a cheap copy and gives in to the temptation to read and report.! And then we can see how much it changes the visiting schedule between Arkansas and LA...........They seem to have stayed pretty tight up until now, regardless of Jingle's pants-wearing....I mean, Meeechelle and even Jordyn were special guests on their podcast lnng after tne facts about Jingle's new wardrobe came out....

ETA: I'm betting the implication in the Amazon marketing that the book will have some "rebel Duggar" feel about it is just that -- marketing speak. Because they know that's what people are dying for, that'll pull in the eyeballs and get the swipe. But marketing speak often bears little relationship to the actual nature of the marketed product! 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Churchhoney

[Absolom]

To answer a question above, I don't have the energy to post the dissertation it deserves.  I will offer responses from some learned sources.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/evangelicals/vs.html

There are many articles about this on the internet.  Some more informed than others.  

[Meow Mix]

I agree with @Churchhoney's excellent assessment of what this book will actually be.  It probably feels normal to be used this way to Jinger.  That's a sad commentary on her life, but this is someone who seems to have had very few thoughts of her own her entire life.

[Fosca]

20 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

 I wish she had worn a better outfit than what looks like a burlap sack.  They probably told her she should look serious, but she looks zoned out.  Or like she got into Ben's stash.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, Fosca said:

 I wish she had worn a better outfit than what looks like a burlap sack.  They probably told her she should look serious, but she looks zoned out.  Or like she got into Ben's stash.

Every time I see the cover, all I can think is that outfit was certainly a choice. 

[Cinnabon]

Just now, Zella said:

Every time I see the cover, all I can think is that outfit was certainly a choice. 

Probably not her choice, as I doubt she has agency in many decisions (other than what she eats, or rather doesn’t eat). 😢

[Salacious Kitty]

It's been bugging me... shouldn't the title be Becoming Free, Indeed? 

[GeeGolly]

I don't hate Jinger's outfit, but I think its a jumpsuit. Working from home allows me steady access to water and coffee so if I wore that outfit I would just give up, let the top hang off my hips and throw on a shirt.

And I would never wear it onsite or in the office because I prefer to stay clothed while peeing in shared bathrooms.

Edited October 20, 2022 by GeeGolly

[Zella]

15 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't hate Jinger's outfit, but I think its a jumpsuit. Working from home allows me steady access to water and coffee so if I wore that outfit I would just give up, let the top hang off my hips and through on a shirt.

And I would never wear it onsite or in the office because I prefer to stay clothed while peeing in shared bathrooms.

I think what bothers me the most about it isn't that it is a jumpsuit. It's that it looks like a jumpsuit Annie Oakley would wear on a bad day. 

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think what bothers me the most about it isn't that it is a jumpsuit. It's that it looks like a jumpsuit Annie Oakley would wear on a bad day. 

[Cinnabon]

48 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think what bothers me the most about it isn't that it is a jumpsuit. It's that it looks like a jumpsuit Annie Oakley would wear on a bad day. 

Also a bit like a clown suit.

[SMama]

Jinger is shilling steaks now. Why can’t those two grasp the concept of apetizing? They eat out often enough to know how to plate food, make it visually appealing. A steak on a plain plate is not going to cut it. I can’t believe they made so much money as influencers when they are so terrible at it. Nothing I saw on that story made me want to know more about the product.

[Ohiopirate02]

19 minutes ago, SMama said:

Jinger is shilling steaks now. Why can’t those two grasp the concept of apetizing? They eat out often enough to know how to plate food, make it visually appealing. A steak on a plain plate is not going to cut it. I can’t believe they made so much money as influencers when they are so terrible at it. Nothing I saw on that story made me want to know more about the product.

I saw the video, and was not impressed.  I get she's shilling for some company, but there was no visible seasoning, and it ended with an uncut steak on the plate.  The lack of money shot really sealed the deal for me that it was under-seasoned and overdone.  I would have thought the company would have required a  shot of Jinger cutting against the grain to reveal a perfectly cooked medium rare.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Ohiopirate02

[crazy8s]

Seriously, no shot of Jeremy about to cram a giant bite of the wonderful steak Jing cooked for him into his giant mouth??

That is how he poses and posts with food he apparently prefers or wishes to be compensated for posting.

The Jinger cooks angle is so silly. Jeremy posts a ton of pics with spicy food, seasoned food, food with condiments and side dishes when eating out. They know how food pics should be posted.  Jinger cooks bland, poorly cooked and poorly presented nonsense that they are never shown actually eating.

[GeeGolly]

What's with the fast forward and slow motion with her steak ad? Does she think its artsy?

[oliviabenson]

Looks like something Jessa would serve. Oh wait Jessa didn’t even bother to make rice. She just gave meat to eat not even bread.

[Cinnabon]

Too dramatic? Huh?

[mythoughtis]

On 10/18/2022 at 3:15 PM, SMama said:

Safe to assume Ben is the brother-in-law who got Jinger to question her beliefs.

One comment about that.  How did he get Jinger to question her beliefs when he can’t even get Jessa to do so? 

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

One comment about that.  How did he get Jinger to question her beliefs when he can’t even get Jessa to do so? 

One is weak and malleable, the other, not so much.

[GeeGolly]

47 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

One comment about that.  How did he get Jinger to question her beliefs when he can’t even get Jessa to do so? 

Maybe Jessa has quietly shifted? We have seen her wear pants and her kids dance, so she has left those two Gothard rules behind.

[Salacious Kitty]

I think I found Jinger's co-author. And surprise! He's tied to the Masters Seminary. 🙄

https://blog.tms.edu/author/corey-williams

[Joan of Argh]

On 10/19/2022 at 7:14 AM, Churchhoney said:

I expect the author is this Corey Williams -- who's affilitated with MacArthur's church -- https://www.gracechurch.org/leader/williams/corey

He's the communications officer of the seminary....https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-williams-41894514/

So that fact explains the whole thing, I think. This book is just a Jingle-only version of the four daughters' book, Growing Up Duggar. That one wasn't really "about" the daughters at all. It was completely directed  (though ostensibly just ghostwritten) by David Waller, as a tract to sell Gothardism to teenage girls and their families.

The only thing that the girls did was provide SOME of the anecdotes that are used to illustrate and "prove" the Gothardy points made in the book. But I"m 100-percent convinced that a lot of the anecdotes are actually made up to make Gothardisma sound enticing.....and that they aren't real events at all. 

Now Jingle's just involved in her own individual version of the exact same kind of project.....

This time is's a tract proving that MacArthurish conservative Calvinism is the the thing that makes you "free." It's a sermon and sales letter combined, with some local color from Jingle's life thrown in and her name put on the cover to make the Jonny Mac Calvinism sound enticing to the Duggar fanbase and other young women like Jingle.

Once again, the book is a sales pitch aimed at getting more congregants and members, this time for conservative Calvinist churches, especially MacArthur's. It's a membership magnet aimed at bringing in fresh blood for another dwindling conservativve-Christian enterprise, kust like Growing Up Duggar> It's All About Relationships  was. ..... Promising great and desirable things (relationships in the four-girls book, "freedom" in this one)  for a demographic that they'd love to bring on board but have trouble appealing to (especially because of their intense though semi-hidden misogyny).

I'm sure MacArthur and comapny are aware of the membership boost that the Duggar's show and, especially, the Duggar daughters and their book and so on brought to IBLP/ATI in the earlier years of this century. So they decided to ape that project and see what it could do for them. 

So much for being "free." She's totally being used in this project. But since she's an meek and obedient Christian wife, I'm sure she sees that as her important role in bringing the world to the correct Jesus. And now the whole MacArthur enterprise is trying out a ride on Jingle's DUGGAR name coattails, just like Jer! 

ETA: I don't know that this'll do any damage at all  to her relatinoship with JB and M.

After all, their most-strongly-adherent daughter, Jessa, has also gone largely Calvinist. She and Bin go to the G3 conferences regularly and vritually all of the connections I've seen Bin make with other church guys have been with Calvinist preachers, some old Vision Forum people (the Phillips group) and some not.

....Plus, the boundaries and crossovers in conservative Protestant churches have been melting and shifting for decades. Some heads of Southern Baptist seminaries have been embracing Calvinism in various ways for years now (and that was unheard of just a few decades ago).....The old Baptist-vs.-Calvinist thing in a fight to the death hasn't held for a long time....And the things that JB and M are most concerned with -- sex women's roles gay agendas, etc.-- are viewed quite similarly to how JB and M view them in many places, including Jer's seminary. 

Nice work @Churchhoney  👍🏻
Enjoyed reading your viewpoint, makes sense

[Salacious Kitty]

Oh, I missed @Churchhoney's post! I think we've found the right guy. 

Jinger's book will be nothing more than a sales pitch for Johnny Mac.

[BigBingerBro]

[SMama]

Jinger (and her sisters) was used by JB, and IBLP to sell Gothardism. Now she’s being used by Jeremy and Johnny Mac to sell Calvinism. Jinger does not have critical thinking skills. She is unable to realize that she can tell her story without a man leading her. 

[Cinnabon]

17 minutes ago, SMama said:

Jinger (and her sisters) was used by JB, and IBLP to sell Gothardism. Now she’s being used by Jeremy and Johnny Mac to sell Calvinism. Jinger does not have critical thinking skills. She is unable to realize that she can tell her story without a man leading her. 

She has no idea what her story might be without a man leading her, unfortunately.

[Absolom]

Jinger ordered a lettuce wrap.  I hope she had two patties and cheese.  That's what we had Monday night.  The grandkids love Habit.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Absolom

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Jinger ordered a lettuce wrap.  I hope she had two patties and cheese.  That's what we had Monday night.  The grandkids love Habit.

I doubt it. 

[Salacious Kitty]

And Jeremy's back on the Phillies bandwagon. Last week, someone asked him what happened to the Dodgers. 😂

I get that he's from Philly, but he pretty much abandoned them to sit in luxury suites at Dodger Stadium in full Dodger regalia. Pick a lane, dude.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Salacious Kitty

[Dehumidifier]

7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

And Jeremy's back on the Phillies bandwagon. Last week, someone asked him what happened to the Dodgers. 😂

I get that he's from Philly, but he pretty much abandoned them to sit in luxury suites at Dodger Stadium in full Dodger regalia. Pick a lane, dude.

They are in different divisions. There is no problem in rooting for both teams -- most of the time.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, Dehumidifier said:

They are in different divisions. There is no problem in rooting for both teams -- most of the time.

Usually people rooting for two teams pick one in the American League and one in the National. That's what I do. That way, your teams only meet a handful of games a year. 

I wonder who Jeremy roots for when his teams play? I guess it depends on if he's at the game at Dodger Stadium. 

[Dehumidifier]

4 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Usually people rooting for two teams pick one in the American League and one in the National. That's what I do. That way, your teams only meet a handful of games a year. 

I wonder who Jeremy roots for when his teams play? I guess it depends on if he's at the game at Dodger Stadium. 

Probably goes by the standings and how much each team needs a win. This year the Phillies needed wins more.

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, Dehumidifier said:

Probably goes by the standings and how much each team needs a win. This year the Phillies needed wins more.

I don't think he gives it that much thought. I see him as a fair weather fan.

[xwordfanatik]

6 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Has she become a nail biter, like her headship?

[louannems]

On 10/18/2022 at 2:13 PM, GeeGolly said:

M&JB, hearing about the book. 🤣

Eww!  I can never look at that JB screenshot without remembering him cupping his hand while describing Josh feeling the sisters “over the clothes”.

[farmgal4]

On 10/20/2022 at 6:42 PM, oliviabenson said:

Looks like something Jessa would serve. Oh wait Jessa didn’t even bother to make rice. She just gave meat to eat not even bread.

That doesn’t look like any steak that I’ve ever eaten nor does it look like one that I would eat now.  It actually looks pretty gross IMO. 🤢

[Cinnabon]

Too dramatic? What the fuck does that even mean?

[Salacious Kitty]

41 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Too dramatic? What the fuck does that even mean?

You have to watch her stupid video. For her, it was out of the box. 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, Salacious Kitty said:

You have to watch her stupid video. For her, it was out of the box. 

Yeah, not going to do that and contribute to their mortgage. 

[skatelady]

On 10/22/2022 at 2:18 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

On 10/22/2022 at 2:23 PM, Dehumidifier said:

Probably goes by the standings and how much each team needs a win. This year the Phillies needed wins more.

I wonder who Jeremy roots for when his teams play? I guess it depends on if he's at the game at Dodger Stadium. 

Ohhhh I'd say he probably bases it on which gives him more attention/freebies.... 

[ChristmasCandy]

On 10/19/2022 at 1:42 PM, Fosca said:

 I wish she had worn a better outfit than what looks like a burlap sack.  They probably told her she should look serious, but she looks zoned out.  Or like she got into Ben's stash.

The mustard color sweater was already on loan so she couldn't wear it for the photo.

[canaanite2]

I wonder if Jinger is still dealing with loss of taste from Covid. Her cooking videos and now this steak one where it didn't occur to her to season it show a complete disinterest in food. Like food's only purpose is to keep her alive and not to bring any joy. 

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, canaanite2 said:

I wonder if Jinger is still dealing with loss of taste from Covid. Her cooking videos and now this steak one where it didn't occur to her to season it show a complete disinterest in food. Like food's only purpose is to keep her alive and not to bring any joy. 

It’s Jinger. . .