The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

JB should look in the mirror for a major contributor to that result.  The normal parents raise their children so that they will be successful when they leave home and family. Successful meaning able to function in lawful, meaningful ways in the world we have.  He raised his children to hide from it. The outcome was easily predicted. Jinger has a husband that can function in the real world and is strong enough to guide her into it too, while keeping JB in his lane. I think this couple will actually be the true successful escapees. 

I agree with what you posted, but in the case of Smugs, he could have had a decent childhood and still turn out to be a major creep. His ego would have done him in without the fact he molested four of his sisters and was looking at porn and cheating on his wife.

In the case of Jill, I think Deredick should take part of the blame for their crash and burn. He is another one who let his ego get in the way.

Jeremy is also letting his ego get in the way. He married Jinger because he wanted a young naïve wife who he could mold into the type of woman to feed his ego and make him look good. I definitely do not see them as true successful escapees.

[beagletime]

36 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

It appears to me that the people who describe their bible study using archaic and arcane words are people like the Duggars. Very fundamentalist.  The minute I read words like these, I know I need to just walk on by.  I particularly cringe at bible-based as if the rest of us Christians are heathens. 

I think Jeremy and Jinger will enjoy LA, but I think it may drive a permanent wedge between her and her parents. I still remember the looks on JB and Michelle’s faces when Josh  and Anna announced their move.  

I remember that Josh and Anna episode.  Anna's parents seemed excited for them, and wished them well.  JB clearly did not want them to go.  Too bad Josh turned out to be such a creep.  Anna seemed to be thriving in Washington.  As much as I don't agree with Ma and Pa Keller, they do seem to accept their children that have left the religion.

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

JB should look in the mirror for a major contributor to that result.  The normal parents raise their children so that they will be successful when they leave home and family. Successful meaning able to function in lawful, meaningful ways in the world we have.  He raised his children to hide from it. The outcome was easily predicted. Jinger has a husband that can function in the real world and is strong enough to guide her into it too, while keeping JB in his lane. I think this couple will actually be the true successful escapees. 

Well, I'm not nearly as impressed with Jer as you are. I fear he shows signs of being as easily deluded by his arrogance as Jim Bob is by his. And if that's the case, getting the level of success I suspect Jer craves won't be easy -- and you never know in advance what anyone will do when things turn out not to be easy.

Only time will tell, of course. Maybe i underestimate him, or maybe he'll turn out to be really really lucky....or maybe he'll just end up being satisfied with much less than I see him wanting currently -- and they can live a low-key life out in the world and be happy with it.

I share your hope that Jingle can escape, though. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

I think JB's pride of Josh moving to DC was interrupted by his fear that Josh's past would come out. DC politics are pretty brutal compared to small town politics.

It turned out Michelle and her robocall was the family's undoing though. Well, it was the the event that pissed someone off enough to expose the molestations.

I'm guessing JB & M have a mixture of pride and fear with Jeremy and Jinger moving to LA. Their fear being the Vuolos will not remain Fundy enough.

[Sew Sumi]

37 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

OMG!!! Camping!!! How many times did your parents divest themselves of all their worldly possessions in anticipation of the end??!

Thankfully, they predeceased him. But even while Dad was still alive, he finally acknowledged that Camping was a nut job.

[Churchhoney]

20 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Thankfully, they predeceased him. But even while Dad was still alive, he finally acknowledged that Camping was a nut job.

Thank goodness he saw the light. 

[Portia]

It may be the secondary definition of the word, but there's nothing archaic or arcane about using corporate to mean "related to the group, not the individual." I hear and use that meaning frequently, and not only in religious contexts. 

[Churchhoney]

27 minutes ago, Portia said:

It may be the secondary definition of the word, but there's nothing archaic or arcane about using corporate to mean "related to the group, not the individual." I hear and use that meaning frequently, and not only in religious contexts. 

Me, too.

But I always figure that, since I'm weird, whatever it is may just be me....   ;  )

Edited April 6, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Adeejay]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Jeremy is also letting his ego get in the way. He married Jinger because he wanted a young naïve wife who he could mold into the type of woman to feed his ego and make him look good. I definitely do not see them as true successful escapees.

Time will tell.

[Lunera]

He is grateful for his life? That sounds strange. I don't know much about that Cade guy but he seems obsessed with Jeremy. He referred to him as his bff in another post even though they met only a few weeks ago. Now he followed him all the way to Austin to watch him speak.

[Churchhoney]

57 minutes ago, Lunera said:

He is grateful for his life? That sounds strange. I don't know much about that Cade guy but he seems obsessed with Jeremy. He referred to him as his bff in another post even though they met only a few weeks ago. Now he followed him all the way to Austin to watch him speak.

Well, reading Cade's Twitter shows that, like Jer, he's into promoting Calvinism heavily, too, and he's a big John Piper fan. So they share that. And if things go well for Cade, he's on the verge of getting a big microphone for the cause. (not that things will go well -- but it's always possible, I guess).      That would mesh with what I think are Jer's ambitions related to preaching-Calvinism-and-getting-a-media-microphone of some kind for it. Meanwhile, Cade's 22 and (while this could just indicate lack of information about somebody so young and out-of-nowhere) the Google turns up only a mother present in his life, so,  given Jer's advanced age compared to a 22-year-old, maybe there's some kind of I-found-my-true-father thing going on here on Cade's part. They certainly do share a bunch of Calvinist DNA. 

Cade's also posted some stuff about Jesus and the Bible shunning political correctness. Don't know for sure what that's about, but a strong possibility, given the company he's keeping and the other people he quotes and follows, would be anti-gay marriage, anti-trans stuff. So, again, he and Jer share the same beliefs and hope to spread them among the younger generations, I guess. 

And given some things like this, I wonder whether they haven't also bonded over some kind of wild past that they've now faithed themselves out of -- Cade Foehner‏Verified account @CadeFoehner Apr 4    "the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses —"

They also both like lattes. That probably sealed the deal. 

Edited April 7, 2019 by Churchhoney

[DangerousMinds]

44 minutes ago, Lunera said:

He is grateful for his life? That sounds strange. I don't know much about that Cade guy but he seems obsessed with Jeremy. He referred to him as his bff in another post even though they met only a few weeks ago. Now he followed him all the way to Austin to watch him speak.

The name "Cade" is starting to really annoy me too.

[Temperance]

Another long-haired dude! First Jer Roloff and now Cade. Is that a future style for Mr. Vuolo?

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

The name "Cade" is starting to really annoy me too.

He was going to Liberty U as of 2016 with the intention of going into the ministry.....Maybe Jer noticed Cade's apparent sex appeal and fervent Calvinism and hopes they can be a preaching pair. .... Jer would be very overshadowed in that pairing, I fear. Wonder if he realizes that? 

"But other than his East Texan roots, Foehner's interests are threefold, according to his social media: kale, Jesus, and music (you think I'm kidding about kale?). In fact, the contestant is quite vocal about his Christian faith and has been enrolled in online classes at Liberty University since the Fall of 2016, per an article on the school's website.

Foehner's ultimate goal is to become a pastor and views his music as a form of ministry. "Other contestants on the show, when they found out I am studying biblical theology, they started coming up to me and sitting with me during breakfast and asking me different questions about it," he told Liberty."

https://www.bustle.com/p/cade-foehner-from-american-idol-has-already-taken-the-world-by-storm-the-shows-not-even-over-yet-8992218

[BigBingerBro]

They make a cute couple!

[Churchhoney]

2 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Another long-haired dude! First Jer Roloff and now Cade. Is that a future style for Mr. Vuolo?

He might have to go a little less Brooks Brothers if he tries that route....

[bigskygirl]

Does anyone else hate the bow tie Jeremy is wearing.

1 minute ago, BigBingerBro said:

They make a cute couple!

The new Duggar scandal. Jeremy likes boys and girls. Ha!

[Churchhoney]

2 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Does anyone else hate the bow tie Jeremy is wearing.

The new Duggar scandal. Jeremy likes boys and girls. Ha!

He certainly is very smiley in that picture with Cade. Very smiley indeed.  ;  )

And, yeah, I don't think the tie or the outfit generally is very flattering..... 

[Oldernowiser]

11 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Another long-haired dude! First Jer Roloff and now Cade. Is that a future style for Mr. Vuolo?

He had better get started. At the rate his hair is departing his forehead, he doesn’t have many options in his future hair-wise.

[bigskygirl]

9 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

He had better get started. At the rate his hair is departing his forehead, he doesn’t have many options in his future hair-wise.

He can join one of those men hair clubs. The only problem will be is his hair could look better than Jinger's hair does.

[Sew Sumi]

Forget Jerm. Cade's hair is certainly better than Jinger's. 

[GeeGolly]

Are Jeremy & Cade in CA? Curious how this date came about.

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Are Jeremy & Cade in CA? Curious how this date came about.

I wasn't paying attention when their meeting first got mentioned here. It may have been in LA. 

This current meeting is in Texas, though. Cade is from eastern Texas, so he may well have been in the state this weekend and not terribly far from Austin. 

ETA: Okay, I looked further down Cade's Twitter feed. They seem to have been introduced by Michael Mahoney, who's one of MacArthur's guys. So they met in California. Maybe Cade hooked up with MacArthur's church when he was on American Idol or something. Or maybe he's another one sniffing around The Master's Seminary. Mahoney appears to be a major person in both of those. 

Maybe this is all part of The Master's Seminary's master plan to build buzz on social media to Calvinize more of the younger crowd and get their butts in the seats. Cade has a mere 44 thousand Twitter followers and 260 thousand Instagram followers but Jer and Jingle might help him boost that .... and then Cade could get the butts in the seats. 

The MacArthur people must have something in mind with this. So -- maybe two full scholarships? One for Jer and one for Cade? With social-media-reach (Jer) and sex-appeal (Cade) payback to follow?

Edited April 7, 2019 by Churchhoney

[rainclouds]

AMA who attended the Vuolos Austin speaking engagement on reddit

[bigskygirl]

I said it once, and I will say it again: Gag me!!!

[GeeGolly]

Not sure I believe the Reddit post.

[Churchhoney]

35 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Not sure I believe the Reddit post.

My guess is that its basis is truth, but that some warping due to preconceived notions is also present.  ;  )

Some of the details, like the love seat, the jeans, "theological changes," "illicit" -- Well, to me, those are unexpected enough that they would indicate quite sophisticated lying, if they were indeed invented. So I expect they're not. Plus, I expect Austin has a ton of redditors!

Of course, I would say this -- since the idea that Jer has gone far out of his way to portray himself on tv as being different from how he actually is has been my hobby horse all along!     And, of course, that he is also way way more full of himself than he's exhibited on tv up to now.    ;  )

Edited April 7, 2019 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

21 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

My guess is that its basis is truth, but that some warping due to preconceived notions is also present.  ;  )

Some of the details, like the love seat, the jeans, "theological changes," "illicit" -- Well, to me, those are unexpected enough that they would indicate quite sophisticated lying, if they were indeed invented. So I expect they're not. 

Of course, I would say this -- since the idea that Jer has gone far out of his way to portray himself on tv as being different from how he actually is has been my hobby horse all along!     And, of course, that he is also way way more full of himself than he's exhibited on tv up to now.    ;  )

Those statements are the same as the ones written here - just different words. I'm still calling BS.

[Churchhoney]

25 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Those statements are the same as the ones written here - just different words. I'm still calling BS.

I'm confused here. Which statements? If you're saying that we already heard about the room in the church having a love seat and Jer saying "illicit' and Jingle saying "theological changes," then you're obviously right! It's definitely a hoax. If you're talking about something else in the post, though, then I'm still confused! Just because somebody else shares opinions people have stated here doesn't mean that they couldn't have observed something approximating those opinions in real life, right? 

In any case, I certainly don't think we can rule out B.S. Sometimes motivated people are very very good liars in writing, no doubt. And even if it's true, it's clearly slanted in the direction of preconceived notions, as I said!

My biggest arguments in favor of its being BS? Jingle found herself in sin at age 5 -- so if someone's making this up, they might well copy that.... and did, if they're making it up.

And this portion -- 'at one point he even said he wouldn't call himself humble. He also said, and I quote, "I have pastored the church in Laredo with wisdom and maturity well beyond my years" and went on about how everyone at the church loves him.' That quote, especially, seems invented, to me. Or,  if it's not made up, then it'd be something the writer's mind doctored very yvery far in the direction it wanted to go while still deluding itself that it's what was really said.

Edited April 7, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Oldernowiser]

It rang pretty true to me, mostly because it does coincide with the observations people here have had and this is a high EQ group.

Jer being full of himself is not a stretch. Jinger’s “testimony” has probably been polished over the years to be more compelling: she grew up on television, after all. Does anyone doubt that they weren’t indoctrinated from a very young age to see themselves as sinners? I don’t. It’s a way to keep them in line.

ETA: Jer using “pastor” as a verb? Definitely him.

ETA2: Haven’t we seen this before with Derrick’s tweets? Seems like in this culture bragging about yourself in the context of your service to the religion is perfectly acceptable.

ETA3: Should not post pre-caffeine. I read his testimony as Jinger’s. Am knucklehead. 

Edited April 7, 2019 by Oldernowiser

[Gemma Violet]

I didn't know what she meant when she said she was the only one there, but in the comments she clarifies that she was the only non-church member there, that the place was half full and there were about 50 people there.  She also said she overheard Jeremy tell someone that he will be doing administrative work while attending the seminary.  

Edited April 7, 2019 by Gemma Violet

[Spencer Hastings]

The Reddit post doesn’t seem all that far off for me.  Jinger learned the phrase “theological changes” in place of “I believe what Jeremy tells me to believe.” Jeremy loves himself and he loves that Jinger asks him what the Bible means because he needs affirmation that he’s the smartest person in the room. He married her because she was dumb, sheltered, moderately famous, and attractive enough. He would’ve married any one of the Duggars if they’d met his qualifications. 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Spencer Hastings

[OpieTaylor]

If the AMA reddit account is true, I'm surprised that Jer would be rubbing Jinger's leg repeatedly in front of a crowd. That seems immodest. But I wouldn't put it past Jer.

[doodlebug]

On ‎4‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 12:23 PM, Heathen said:

What was the issue with the money? Did he get conned out of it? I lost respect for Matt and Amy Roloff years ago -- for monetizing their family, for being slobs, and for their kids, or at least Jeremy, being bigots. Pretty much the same as Jim Bob and Michelle. 

I know that Jacob has been estranged from both parents since he reached 18.  He said that he hated filming LPBW, didn't like the invasion of privacy (the show highlighted his parents' horrible marriage as well as their slovenly habits; their house was filthy).  He claimed that he begged his parents to let him not film the show back in his early teens and they refused, mainly because it meant a smaller paycheck from TLC.  He also said that, when he reached adulthood, there was supposed to be some sort of account or trust with his portion of the TV earnings in it; but, surprise, surprise!  He says the money wasn't there when he asked for his share.  As we know, kids on reality TV shows aren't covered by the same laws that kids who are actors have to protect their money. He appeared on the show for 9 years, including nearly getting beheaded in an accident with a trebuchet his idiot father build on their farm and had Jacob using along with a family friend.  

BTW, he has recently been in contact with his mother, his parents are divorced and she is probably the lesser of the two evils.  His mother very kindly posted a photo of the two of them on Instagram, complete with a monetized ad for the bread they were eating.  Because, apparently, Amy Roloff couldn't possibly reconcile with her son without making it a public event and cashing in.  

[Oldernowiser]

1 hour ago, OpieTaylor said:

If the AMA reddit account is true, I'm surprised that Jer would be rubbing Jinger's leg repeatedly in front of a crowd. That seems immodest. But I wouldn't put it past Jer.

Marking his territory.

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Marking his territory.

Will he left one of his legs and start humping her. Handing out the extra strength brain cleaning liquid to anyone who needs it.

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I'm confused here. Which statements? If you're saying that we already heard about the room in the church having a love seat and Jer saying "illicit' and Jingle saying "theological changes," then you're obviously right! It's definitely a hoax. If you're talking about something else in the post, though, then I'm still confused! Just because somebody else shares opinions people have stated here doesn't mean that they couldn't have observed something approximating those opinions in real life, right? 

In any case, I certainly don't think we can rule out B.S. Sometimes motivated people are very very good liars in writing, no doubt. And even if it's true, it's clearly slanted in the direction of preconceived notions, as I said!

My biggest arguments in favor of its being BS? Jingle found herself in sin at age 5 -- so if someone's making this up, they might well copy that.... and did, if they're making it up.

And this portion -- 'at one point he even said he wouldn't call himself humble. He also said, and I quote, "I have pastored the church in Laredo with wisdom and maturity well beyond my years" and went on about how everyone at the church loves him.' That quote, especially, seems invented, to me. Or,  if it's not made up, then it'd be something the writer's mind doctored very yvery far in the direction it wanted to go while still deluding itself that it's what was really said.

It sounds unbelievable to me not only because what the Reddit post shared is common thought, but I also find it unusual for someone who isn't a fan to actually take the time to show up, sit through the talk (as the lone audience member no less, hmm, no one to contradict the post?) and then write a lengthy post about it online.

I believe the Reddit post was quoting Jeremy finding himself in sin at age 5. And if you Google Jeremy Vuolo testimony this is a small section of what comes up; "... As I think back on my life, I remember vividly several “crisis moments” where I realized in a greater way than ever before the sin that was in my heart. One of these came when I was 5 and another came when I was 16 and another when I was mid-way through college. In these times I was struck with a profound realization of just how wicked my sin was and just how holy and righteous and majestic God is."

As far as "theological changes" many posters have been discussing the differences between Gothardism, Calvinism and some other baptist religion for the past few days.

Saying Jeremy was hesitant to be on Counting On - for what ever reason - could be assumed because the courtship wasn't featured in the beginning, although Jeremy allowed himself to be filmed for Jessa's baby shower. SM posters have been warning Jinger & Jeremy about the dangerous folks in LA, so the "Illicit" intentions and "enemies" could be drawn from that and mixed in with the courtship..

And I totally agree with you that even Jeremy would not say that he had pastored a church with wisdom and maturity beyond his years.

But to each their own. I'm just very skeptical when it comes to Duggar sightings as a rule and this one no different.

[DangerousMinds]

6 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Marking his territory.

Just so tacky and gross.

[Churchhoney]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

 I'm just very skeptical when it comes to Duggar sightings as a rule and this one no different.

I usually am, too. Right now, though, I'm extremely curious about what encouraged the father of a small baby to quit a job and move to LA to hook up with a guy whose institution is wavering into an uncertain future thanks to a lot of disturbing allegations, so I'm inclined to clutch at straws to figure out what the heck is actually going on here!  

[beagletime]

16 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

They make a cute couple!

That was my first thought.  Cade has a dreamy look to him.

[bigskygirl]

33 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

It sounds unbelievable to me not only because what the Reddit post shared is common thought, but I also find it unusual for someone who isn't a fan to actually take the time to show up, sit through the talk (as the lone audience member no less, hmm, no one to contradict the post?) and then write a lengthy post about it online.

I believe the Reddit post was quoting Jeremy finding himself in sin at age 5. And if you Google Jeremy Vuolo testimony this is a small section of what comes up; "... As I think back on my life, I remember vividly several “crisis moments” where I realized in a greater way than ever before the sin that was in my heart. One of these came when I was 5 and another came when I was 16 and another when I was mid-way through college. In these times I was struck with a profound realization of just how wicked my sin was and just how holy and righteous and majestic God is."

As far as "theological changes" many posters have been discussing the differences between Gothardism, Calvinism and some other baptist religion for the past few days.

Saying Jeremy was hesitant to be on Counting On - for what ever reason - could be assumed because the courtship wasn't featured in the beginning, although Jeremy allowed himself to be filmed for Jessa's baby shower. SM posters have been warning Jinger & Jeremy about the dangerous folks in LA, so the "Illicit" intentions and "enemies" could be drawn from that and mixed in with the courtship..

And I totally agree with you that even Jeremy would not say that he had pastored a church with wisdom and maturity beyond his years.

But to each their own. I'm just very skeptical when it comes to Duggar sightings as a rule and this one no different.

Are we sure Deredick did not write this out of jealousy. Just saying... *wink wink*

[xwordfanatik]

17 hours ago, Oldernowiser said:

He had better get started. At the rate his hair is departing his forehead, he doesn’t have many options in his future hair-wise.

As one of my aunts used to say, he's got a lot of face to wash.

[LilJen]

On ‎4‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 8:08 PM, Lunera said:

I guess they were shopping for outfits for this weekend. 

"Their" ministry??? Which is. . . ? How to Coordinate Stripes on Your Outfits?

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, Spencer Hastings said:

The Reddit post doesn’t seem all that far off from me.  Jinger learned the phrase “theological changes” in place of “I believe what Jeremy tells me to believe.” Jeremy loves himself and he loves that Jinger asks him what the Bible means because he needs affirmation that he’s the smartest person in the room. He married her because she was dumb, sheltered, moderately famous, and attractive enough. He would’ve married any one of the Duggars if they’d met his qualifications. 

That really upsets me. A husband and wife on equal footing would share thoughts, interpretations and ideas, whether it's in reference to Bible study or anything else. Jinger's blind devotion and willingness to worship at the altar of Jeremy is giving me Manson girl vibes. It also says a lot about Jeremy's character, or lack thereof.

[Churchhoney]

6 minutes ago, LilJen said:

"Their" ministry??? Which is. . . ? How to Coordinate Stripes on Your Outfits?

Well, I think JB and M have had a "dress alike' ministry for years, haven't they? And maybe some of these other oh-so-godly couples, like Gil and Kelly Bates? 

I'm sure they haven't so carefully dressed alike just for the heck of it. They must think that there's some lesson we'll all learn from their matching outfits. I guess that they don't exist as individuals but only as a pair? Or something? 

Clearly a cherished -- and flaunted -- tradition among their ilk, in any case. 

[FizzyPuff]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, I think JB and M have had a "dress alike' ministry for years, haven't they? And maybe some of these other oh-so-godly couples, like Gil and Kelly Bates? 

I'm sure they haven't so carefully dressed alike just for the heck of it. They must think that there's some lesson we'll all learn from their matching outfits. I guess that they don't exist as individuals but only as a pair? Or something? 

Clearly a cherished -- and flaunted -- tradition among their ilk, in any case. 

I saw an old couple the other day both wearing green shirts and the first thing I thought was of JB & M 😀

[Albanyguy]

7 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

He also said, and I quote, "I have pastored the church in Laredo with wisdom and maturity well beyond my years" and went on about how everyone at the church loves him.' That quote, especially, seems invented, to me. Or,  if it's not made up, then it'd be something the writer's mind doctored very yvery far in the direction it wanted to go while still deluding itself that it's what was really said.

I don't exactly know why, but that strikes me as something that either Josh or Derick would be more likely to say then Jeremy. Josh and Derick have always been stupid braggarts. I'm sure that Jeremy has just as high an opinion of himself, but I think he's much more careful of how he looks and sounds in public. 

[queenanne]

3 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

As one of my aunts used to say, he's got a lot of face to wash.

That's my friend's line... "I haven't used shampoo in X years.  I just use facial cleanser; because once you get past a particular hair loss percentage, it's ALL face."

Also, while I can't see Jeremy saying "I have pastored the congregation with faith and maturity beyond my years", I can see him saying "I have tried to".  Maybe the Redditor dislikes him so much they heard and reported it the way they wanted to hear.

[Heathen]

7 hours ago, Oldernowiser said:

It rang pretty true to me, mostly because it does coincide with the observations people here have had and this is a high EQ group.

Jer being full of himself is not a stretch. Jinger’s “testimony” has probably been polished over the years to be more compelling: she grew up on television, after all. Does anyone doubt that they weren’t indoctrinated from a very young age to see themselves as sinners? I don’t. It’s a way to keep them in line.

ETA: Jer using “pastor” as a verb? Definitely him.

ETA2: Haven’t we seen this before with Derrick’s tweets? Seems like in this culture bragging about yourself in the context of your service to the religion is perfectly acceptable.

ETA3: Should not post pre-caffeine. I read his testimony as Jinger’s. Am knucklehead. 

"Pastor" as a verb is hardly exclusive to Jeremy. I've heard that since I was little, and I was nominally ELCA Lutheran. 

That AMA strikes me as BS. 

[Zella]

21 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Does anyone else hate the bow tie Jeremy is wearing.

Everything about that picture is insufferable! 😂