S08.E08: All The Countess's Men

[racked]

Yeah that clip to me shows that B had already created the Skinnygirl margarita and Lu just help spread the word and creditability by ordering it. Wow look at Bethenny's old face! And remember when she was fun and not just a superior self-obsessed miserable shrew? Good times. 

Ramona's extensions are so bad, they really age her and remind me of when Lorelei Gilmore went through a very bad extension phase. I wish she'd chop that shit off, so Luanne could then accuse her of copying her hairstyle. The Countess is such a ridiculous person but I still find her entertaining in her haughtiness. 

Dorinda seems so embarrassed by John, I wish I could understand that relationship. Maybe it really is access to drugs, nothing else makes sense. 

Edited May 26, 2016 by racked

[QuinnM]

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I'm STILL confused by this.  I thought I heard Beth say "I call it a Skinny Girl's margarita" first? 

I figured Blackmamba was being sarcastic since it is so obviously not Luann coming up with Skinnygirl, not the name, not the drink, nothing.  And I always figured this was the origin of the bug up B's butt.  But it turns out that Lu has been flapping her gums about other things leading up to the big contract show down.  I have to believe the amount of money that Bethenny gets for RHNY is a bone of contention.  She has more money that most of them and she still gets more money than any of them.

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Ramona's extensions are so bad, they really age her and remind me of when Lorelei Gilmore went through a very bad extension phase. I wish she'd chop that shit off, so Luanne could then accuse her of copying her hairstyle.

On WWHL Dorinda gave her two cents on hairgate.  She said that is the haircut everyone in New York lady gets when she turns 40.  And that they get it when they realize the whole Stephen Tyler extension thing is so over.  Andy mentioned Ramona's extensions and Dorinda just laughed and said well you're talking bout Ramona.

[izabella]

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

They were also filming and the fight spilled onto the street. It could have been anyone.

Maybe it was one of Ramona's friends who hang around street corners waiting for John to do something they can spread gossip about. 

[njbchlover]

5 minutes ago, racked said:

Yeah that clip to me shows that B had already created the Skinnygirl margarita and Lu just help spread the word and creditability by ordering it. Wow look at Bethenny's old face! And remember when she was fun and not just a superior self-obsessed miserable shrew? Good times. 

Ramona's extensions are so bad, they really age her and remind me of when Lorelei Gilmore went through a very bad extension phase. I wish she'd chop that shit off, so Luanne could then accuse her of copying her hairstyle. The Countess is such a ridiculous person but I still find her entertaining in her haughtiness. 

Dorinda seems so embarrassed by John, I wish I could understand that relationship. Maybe it really is access to drugs, nothing else makes sense. 

In the scene, when Bethenny arrived at Dorinda's house, her haircut did look similar to Luann's.  Bethenny's isn't quite as layered as Luann's, and has more of blunt edge, but they are both sporting chin-length bobs.  I think that comment from Luann may have been one of the things that started to set Bethenny off.  Bethenny likes to think she is an original, and that people should be copying her - not the other way around.  Plus, I think Bethenny considers herself younger and more hip (well, she is) than Luann, and that comparison, in her eyes, was not complimentary.

[zoeysmom]

So Bethenny's gripe with Luann is she was too needy over the summer and contacted her and wanted to shoot with The RHOBH ladies?  She didn't invite Sonja to her parties because Sonja didn't contact her over the summer.   That bethenny is a difficult one to read.

Bethenny reminds me of the old adage in law, "if you have the facts on your side you pound the facts, if you have the law on your side you pound the law, if you have neither you pound the table."  I think Bethenny is doing a lot of table pounding and Luann is her table this year.

A few years ago Bethenny invented the ponytail.    http://stylenews.people.com/style/2011/10/25/bethenny-frankel-drybar-ponytail/  A Skinnygirl ponytail no less.  This year it is Bethenny's blowout and highlights greatly resemble Luann's and it is making her crazy that Luann called her on it.  A hairstyle is a hairstyle, no one owns the rights to how one styles their hair.

Suntory, did not base their decision on not pursuing Peter/Sonja for trademark infringement based on Bethenny proclaiming them a joke, they had neither the law or facts on their side.  You pursue infringement because you do not want anyone laying claim to your brand regardless of who they are.   Bethenny doesn't own the rights to Skinnygirl, in the liquor department any longer so she has no standing.  Peter may very well be waiting for an opportunity like Bethenny had to sell the name and make bank (something Sonja will never see a penny of).

If I were spending the money on caviar, probably the last thing I would offer my guests is Skinnygirl anything as a beverage.  Cheap wine/expensive product.  Same goes for Ramona and her swill. 

As much as Bethenny delights in continually slut shaming Luann, I wonder if her customer base looks to that as desirous behavior?  Come over have a few Skinnygirl cocktails and then get plied with what a slut you are.  The great new Skinnygirl party game.

The reason there is not more "dirt" on Bethenny is everyone she works with or dates or divorces has to sign confidentiality agreements.  Some day that dam will break. 

[njbchlover]

5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

So Bethenny's gripe with Luann is she was too needy over the summer and contacted her and wanted to shoot with The RHOBH ladies?  She didn't invite Sonja to her parties because Sonja didn't contact her over the summer.   That bethenny is a difficult one to read.

Bethenny reminds me of the old adage in law, "if you have the facts on your side you pound the facts, if you have the law on your side you pound the law, if you have neither you pound the table."  I think Bethenny is doing a lot of table pounding and Luann is her table this year.

A few years ago Bethenny invented the ponytail.    http://stylenews.people.com/style/2011/10/25/bethenny-frankel-drybar-ponytail/  A Skinnygirl ponytail no less.  This year it is Bethenny's blowout and highlights greatly resemble Luann's and it is making her crazy that Luann called her on it.  A hairstyle is a hairstyle, no one owns the rights to how one styles their hair.

Suntory, did not base their decision on not pursuing Peter/Sonja for trademark infringement based on Bethenny proclaiming them a joke, they had neither the law or facts on their side.  You pursue infringement because you do not want anyone laying claim to your brand regardless of who they are.   Bethenny doesn't own the rights to Skinnygirl, in the liquor department any longer so she has no standing.  Peter may very well be waiting for an opportunity like Bethenny had to sell the name and make bank (something Sonja will never see a penny of).

If I were spending the money on caviar, probably the last thing I would offer my guests is Skinnygirl anything as a beverage.  Cheap wine/expensive product.  Same goes for Ramona and her swill. 

As much as Bethenny delights in continually slut shaming Luann, I wonder if her customer base looks to that as desirous behavior?  Come over have a few Skinnygirl cocktails and then get plied with what a slut you are.  The great new Skinnygirl party game.

The reason there is not more "dirt" on Bethenny is everyone she works with or dates or divorces has to sign confidentiality agreements.  Some day that dam will break. 

Sshhhh, zoeysmom!!!  If Bethenny or her interns are reading here - you have just given her a new brand opportunity!!   Next Christmas, we will see the "Skinnygirl" board game, or some type of game app, similar to the Kardashian's....and then, little Portia from RHOBH will get in trouble again for buying in, playing and spending thousands of dollars without Kyle knowing!!!  

[HumblePi]

Wow, so many insightful and great comments here and I agree with ALL of them. I felt like I had to really work hard to come up with some comments about some tiny details that either nobody noticed and nobody cares about.

First 'nit' of the picking is Sonja. I have to say that she's just a walking, talking personification of the stereotypical dumb blonde. She's sweet really.... and funny too. She can be trashy and doesn't have a lot of gray matter between her two ears but I have to hand it to her, she does come up with some funny one-liners. For instance when she and Luann were in her bathroom and she was showing off her dental floss underwear to Luann she commented about the previous night they had at the bar by saying "what a waste last night, hunt & fish? That was more of a clam bar than a sausage fest." (referring to all the women at the bar, and no men).

I have to point out a few little things said and done by Jules. Her licking of the top of the blini after Ramona had licked off the caviar, then putting it back on Ramona's plate was just so disgusting. Then to make it even more disgusting Ramona picked up the same blini off the plate and licked it again! Not only was that gross but immediately I thought that's exactly what someone with anorexia would do, lick off a few caviar and leave the pancake. In the Empire Steak house, after John made the 'moist' remark. She said she doesn't like the word 'moist'. She said it's the #1 worst word that any girl wants to hear. "Moist, ointment, grundle, It's a most disgusting word". For those of us who don't know the word 'grundle' I had to google it. The most humorous definition comes from the Urban Dictionary. " The prime piece of real estate located conveniently between Scrotumburg and Anusville. One of these days, I'm going to move to the grundle." So I thought, okay that's the same thing as the 'taint'.  Now, the necklace Jules wore at Empire Steak House. I have noticed many times that Jules and Michael are very into each other, which is great. They always look at each other as though they're sharing a secret. Well, perhaps the silver necklace that she had on was their little secret. It looked almost like an animal shape but then I wondered why in the world Jules would wear a silver animal-shaped necklace? Then I took some freeze frames looks at the necklace and I'm convinced it's 'pearl necklace' designed by Leah Piepgras. It's a seemingly amorphous cast silver shape. Her silver 'pearl necklaces' are all custom made and sell for upwards of $600 each. According to the jewelry designer's website this Necklace "Is an Accurate Representation of Semen"... meaning male ejaculate... (don't ask me how I knew this). It made sense to me since Michael once had a career in the adult porn industry as a producer. http://basslinerumble.com/style-fashion/ladies-designer-leah-piepgras-creates-accurate-pearl-necklace-3/

Tom and Luann entering Empire Steak House, "I love that jacket on you."  Tom, "My mom bought it for me, she would be happy with the fact that you like it." (side-eye here. Mom still buying his coats at age 58)

Ramona's dog Coco when they arrive at Dorinda's Berkshire home 'go, sniff around. but you can't make any mistakes on the floors'. Then after she steps in Coco's poop herself she says "well how did I know there's poop in your backyard". Dogs are like kids, if they mess up it's the parents fault, not the dog. Ramona is very inconsiderate. That home of Dorinda's is absolutely stunning, even the guest rooms were immaculate and pristine. I have to say that I do understand her anger at the end. She really did go out of her way decorating and making certain that everything was perfect. Then these bozos come in and create drama and negativity. Who needs that?

And Jules not knowing where the Berkshires were and thought it was in New York. She said she wouldn't know where she is on a map.

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[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, 100PercentPain said:

Cosign. Luann hides it well under the Countess persona, but she is a viper and when she gets her digs in, she is nasty. Remember when she was blaming Carole for "revealing" Luann's sexcapades and hurting Luann's children (and also ignoring the fact that it was Luann who chooses to engage in sexcapades on what are essentially work trips where cameras follow her around for the majority of the time - seriously, she's a grown woman and can do what and who she wants but if she doesn't want her kids to know what she's up to she needs to save that for her personal vacations) and somewhere in there Carole said she wouldn't introduce every boyfriend to her kids either and Luann snarked "Well, you don't have any kids!" followed by a full belly laugh. Carole looked gutted and despite her insistence that she didn't mean to be offensive, Luann has never apologized. That is the real Luann and it's why I do not like her and often wish she never came back as a full time housewife. So objectively, bethenny is vicious and miserable too but it's not really getting under my skin as much in this episode because Its Luann and she gives as well as she gets, even if she's smart enough to not have it on display 24/7 like bethenny does.

See I hear this a lot about Lu and the reason why it still doesn't affect how much I still like her is because her shit usually comes out organically and for a reason. Beth just shoots nastiness for the sake of being nasty but throughout all the seasons Lu has had a pretty even keeled balance between being pretty genuine, mellow, and across the board friendly. She's had moments where she's been cutting but it's never right out of nowhere. There's usually some sort of tension or petty little grudge in the air from the people she ends up barbing here and there. The thing with Alex wasn't just in a vacuum. Was it the nicest display? No, but at the same time Alex was clearly putting out uneasy vibes and letting her discomfort be a thing so I think Lu just responded to the sillyness of it with her aloof dismissiveness. Not the most kindest gesture but at the same time Alex's grievances where just so childish.  

Usually there's a reason why she's either checking somebody or slipping in a dig and to be absolutely honest I actually like the way she does this because it doesn't really disrupt the whole group when she does it. It doesn't overflow into a big to do that creates the hot mess fighting matches or crying fits that the others end up creating. Most of the time she's trying to the do the opposite which is try to keep the conflict in a pretty non-issue tone. Yes it does unfortunately come off as being dismissive and haughty but I would take her controlled tone over the crazy barrage of Beth and Crazy eyes any day. I applaud the way she keeps it together and airily blows off the bullshit. She doesn't do the deliberate confrontation thing which is something I truly appreciate. I mean when she had that sit down with Carole about bursting into her bedroom I was all No, no, not the deliberate sit down "talk". I hate those cause it never truly ends well. I much prefer her way of touching on a subject discussing it for a bit, noticing that it's headed into murky waters and then hitting them with a countessism or quick hiss of the tongue and then onto something. "Pish, posh the night is young and I have no interest in taking this conversation where I know you want it to go which is no where good, so I'll shoot you down like the peon that you are and move it right along". I love it! Why? Because she's good at it without all the uncomfortable food spittle of Dorinda or stammering, loudmouth Beth or Nasty eyes Ramona. I understand that she gets in some really catty insults but from what I've seen it's never just for the sake of being nasty. She's usually countering some established vibe or perceived slight that's already in the air about something between her and whoever she's giving it to so to me that's not being fucked up to just be fucked up. She's one of the few in the cast that I believe doesn't do this just for shits and giggles the way Beth and especially Ramona do it. So that's why I can never be THAT mad at her overall. 

Sure she can dish it but at least she doesn't turn it into some impossible shouting match where she's talking over everyone or won't let anyone get a word in. Now if she happens to deliver the perfect "shut you up line" and then effortlessly shifts into a totally different conversation complete with hand wave, laugh and body shift away from you then, well, don't tussle with the Countess. One thing that I really like about her is that for the most part her "air" that everyone seems to get bent out of shape about, to me, is the air that she's not going to really entertain or put up with shit that is just a lead in to start a conflict over minor issues or fuel an already existing conflict that doesn't need to be fed anymore or to enlongate conflicts. Like I mentioned before the only LONG drawn out issue she's ever had on the show was with Carole and to be honest I think the only reason it did turn into such a thing was:

1) it was more personal to her and not just a "work/show conflict with a cast member" and

2)Carole did her share of giving it life by always bringing it up and chiding Lu about her reaction and disapproval.

Carole was the one who kept trying to get Lu to "answer" for her negative response to the news so I don't really see it as Lu hanging on to it. I don't see why Carole was practically demanding that Lu recant her opinions over the matter. I mean why should she? That was what truly bugged fme about the whole Adam/Lu/Carole hubaloo. And that it was Lu who took so much heat over it when if you really pay attention Carole kept the issue going and in turn escalated the conflict by continuously going after Lu about her opinion over it all. Like WTF bitch, let the woman feel how she wants about it, Damn.

Anyhoo, Lu is one of my favorites although I wasn't on her side with the whole strangers back at the house scandal. That was uncool.

[Boofish]

9 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

Remember Bitchenny you didn't create Skinnygirl!  Proof.

So he is proving Bethenny's point?  Bethenny named all the ingredients and flat out said "I call it the skinny girls margarita" Luann then said "alright I have that; the skinny girl margarita" How does that make Skinny Girl Luann's idea? She didn't make a statement; it sounded like a question "it's a skinny girl margarita? OK"

Edited May 26, 2016 by Boofish

[beesknees]

11 hours ago, WireWrap said:

It seems that Bethenny is some delicate flower that Dorinda needs to protect!!

And everyone has to walk on egg shells as to not upset the special manic snowflake that is Bethenny.  No one wants to lose their apple next season and be demoted to the dreaded "friend of" or even worse, completely lose their place on the show.  I hate that every move revolves around not calling B out due to fear.  I want a more level playing field.

[QuinnM]

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Bethenny doesn't own the rights to Skinnygirl, in the liquor department any longer so she has no standing.

Bethenny answers this on twitter once a week.  She owns ALL rights to Skinnygirl, liquor and otherwise.  She did not sell anything to Beam.  She entered into a partnership with Beam.  She works with her partner to develop new products and promote.  In fact, Ramona ordered one of the items I actually like (disclaimer I've not tried the wines) the spicy marguarita is miles better than the original.

She also explained that you can't trademark/copyright a regular word.  So you can't trade mark Tipsy Girl.  She couldn't trademark Skinny Girl.  So she didn't sue Sonja, she just had her people trademark TipsyGirl.  But you see Sonja's partners don't care.  They are promoting a bar named Tipsy Girl.  Sonja is just another stupid patsy to them.  So when Sonja called B's people to set up a meeting she was pushed into it by her partners.  They jsut didn't realize how inarticulate Sonja can be when confronted by a rabid B.

[Neurochick]

55 minutes ago, SistaLadybug said:

What's wrong with Luann enjoying sex - not a damn thing.  But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that she doesn't expect the women to cover up her behavior when it suits her, nor will I act like she doesn't go out of her way to be an elitist monster.  She wraps herself in airs.  She likes to sit high and look low.  Cool.  But then when you're called out on the fact that you're not above trolling the bars for dudes and getting your freak on left, right, and center, don't clutch your pearls.  She will be judged by her own measure.

Maybe, but something bugs; it goes back to attitudes about sex, that somehow sex is "dirty" and "naughty."  Shit, sex is how we all got here, so how dirty can it be?  I bet Ramona wishes she was having as much sex as LuAnn.  

[bravofan27]

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Anyone else think that caviar girl dressed like that because she KNEW RHNY was filming?  That she was hoping for an invite to Andy's clubhouse? 

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WHAT was the last of Jules' list of creepy words? It went moist, ointment and then? ? Anyone? 

I don't remember, but I honestly think "schmear" should be at the top of that list, yet Jules and everybody else seems to love saying it. Ugh. *fullbodyshudder*

(sorry for the weird formatting - I know the quote above is NOT from BravoFan27, but I can't get it un-quoted!)

 

 

I don't think if you point blank asked her she would have any idea what you were talking about. If anything, she is hoping the exposure will catch her more money in amateur porn and she can avoid having to do more anal. 

I was thinking the same thing anyway... it was probably a word she threw out to show her Jewishness.

[Anna525]

I don't understand Dorinda's need to have John as a BF myself. If she's afraid to be alone after her husband passed away, John must have been the first one she came across. She may feel it's too complicated now to break it off - truly loves him for what he is, etc. etc. or maybe she thinks he's the only one who gets her. I know that no one wants to be judged for their choices in life and I'm sure she's hating all the John haters, thus even tightening her resolve to stay with him. But after watching his behavior and knee-jerk reactions, one can't help but go hmm....Dorinda seems to be too classy for a guy like him! Until she gets drunk. 

[SistaLadybug]

Just now, Neurochick said:

Maybe, but something bugs; it goes back to attitudes about sex, that somehow sex is "dirty" and "naughty."  Shit, sex is how we all got here, so how dirty can it be?  I bet Ramona wishes she was having as much sex as LuAnn.  

Oh, I'm sure it does - with them.  I'm sure they're all judging her.

But I'm writing from my POV.  And I don't care who Luann screws.  As you said, she's single (or she was).  I screw whoever I want because I'm grown and I can.  I don't expect people to cover for my behavior because it's not something of which I'm ashamed.  I don't see sex as dirty or forbidden or shameful.  I am open about the parts of my sex life I care to share and don't give a damn what folks think.  I don't judge others who let their freak flags fly.  I think it's healthy.  Luann purports to be that way, then wants to be able to judge others.  No, ma'am.  You can't be doing young men in a restaurant bathroom and then look askance at Carole.  You can't date the same men as the other women in your circle and then pretend to be above them.  You can't do the "walk of shame" back to Sonja's and then say you're mentoring her.  In what?  I cackled alongside Bethenny.  They were in the same decrepit townhouse boat.  Come on!

[beesknees]

11 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I don't know what is worse - the constantly weepy, cry at the drop of a hat Bethenny we saw last season, or this newer, harder, crueler version of the poor little girl with the smart mouth who was hanging on Jill's coat tails.

And, we still have to get through Bethenny's health scare (whatever it was)....OMG - these women are going to bumping into each other to lick the souls of her Louboutin's.....

What is Bethenny's upcoming health scare?  Inquiring minds want to know.  (Let's pray it's lock jaw).

[islandgal140]

7 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

These women are horrid this season!  I can't take these judgmental heffas disinviting Sonja because of her drinking or better yet for Queen Bethenny!

But yet Ramona can walk into Bethenny's X-Mas party and without even first taking off her coat or putting down her bag demand a glass for her Pinot, a margarita and a glass of water to I guess she can wash it all down along with all the caviar.

These chicks didn't even get a chance to go to their rooms or unpack their luggage before shit popped off. 

Surprised Ramona didn't run through the house and declare Dorinda's master bedroom hers. Isn't that what she usually does when away from home?

The caviar party made me think of Heather and miss her. She loved her some caviar. 

Okay so Carole is still upset about Luanne. Whatever. She is within her rights but I do hate and have little regard for those who let how they feel about someone dictate whether they go somewhere, affect their mood or good time. I refuse to give anyone that kind of power over me. She was rude at and fled Jules party admittedly because of Luann (and because her and B form some kind of asshole vortex when they activate their wonder twin mean girl powers). Meanwhile Lu greeted her and remained unbothered, on the surface anyway. I'm glad Dorinda paid her dust about sharing a roof with Lu. Wish Doris would have adopted the same attitude with B and Sexy J. 

I really kind of loved the safety pin dress and the glittery sweater Dorinda wore this episode.

I really, really, really did not need a close up of the dog's ass as the shit was crowning out of his/her(?) ass.

[TexasGal]

I bet the reason Dorinda was all "too bad so sad" about Carole saying she didn't want to go if Luann was there, was that since she's Bethenny's bestie now Bethenny probably wouldn't go if Carole didn't.  I'm surprised it didn't end up with Lu getting disinvited.

[HumblePi]

21 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

Maybe, but something bugs; it goes back to attitudes about sex, that somehow sex is "dirty" and "naughty."  Shit, sex is how we all got here, so how dirty can it be?  I bet Ramona wishes she was having as much sex as LuAnn.  

I don't think it matters to Luann that she's having sex with a guy that once 'dated' Ramona. Yeah, yeah so they say 'only a date, not romance' but we know better. We're talking about Ramona Singer here. The newly divorced, hot pants, horny, semi-alcoholic, extension wearing spoiled and bored rich NY socialite here. Everyone knows that Ramona wouldn't get through one entire date without having (some kind of) sex with the guy. And eww, just imagining having sex with a guy that had sex with Ramona is just sort of, well....repulsive, yeah that's it, repulsive and nauseating.

[Yours Truly]

22 minutes ago, Boofish said:

So he is proving Bethenny's point?  Bethenny named all the ingredients and flat out said "I call it the skinny girls margarita" Luann then said "alright I have that; the skinny girl margarita" How does that make Skinny Girl Luann's idea? She didn't make a statement; it sounded like a question "it's a skinny girl margarita? OK"

Beth says I call it the skinny girls margarita in her TH not at the table with Lu. Although when Lu says she'll have the same thing she then looks at Beth across the table and says the name in a somewhat questioning way that pretty much suggests she's looking to Beth for confirmation that that's what she calls it as if she's heard Beth say it before and wants to make sure she's saying it right. So yeah, that clip does show Lu say it for the first time on camera during filming but in no way did it sound like Lu was the one that came up with the name.

I think Lu might be running with the whole controversy in more of a pain in the ass sort of way. Like she knows it'll bug Beth if she humors the angle and plays into it a bit. I mean when you're dealing with a person like Beth who is always coming for someone having something like this up your sleeve is perfect to throw out randomly just to unsettle her enough and shake things up. I know I would.

[Yours Truly]

25 minutes ago, SistaLadybug said:

Oh, I'm sure it does - with them.  I'm sure they're all judging her.

But I'm writing from my POV.  And I don't care who Luann screws.  As you said, she's single (or she was).  I screw whoever I want because I'm grown and I can.  I don't expect people to cover for my behavior because it's not something of which I'm ashamed.  I don't see sex as dirty or forbidden or shameful.  I am open about the parts of my sex life I care to share and don't give a damn what folks think.  I don't judge others who let their freak flags fly.  I think it's healthy.  Luann purports to be that way, then wants to be able to judge others.  No, ma'am.  You can't be doing young men in a restaurant bathroom and then look askance at Carole.  You can't date the same men as the other women in your circle and then pretend to be above them.  You can't do the "walk of shame" back to Sonja's and then say you're mentoring her.  In what?  I cackled alongside Bethenny.  They were in the same decrepit townhouse boat.  Come on!

Who else besides Carole has Lu actually side eyed about sex? I mean the Carole situation isn't exactly a cut and dry one so I'm curious. All this talk about the Countess being so judgey and all I remember was that she was only vocal about this topic when it was Carole and Adam and to me I never took her to seriously be annoyed by that particular detail but more about the fact that it was the ex of her niece that had her being judgemental. It was unfortunate that she grabbed on to that narrative to express her dismay over the pairing but I never actually felt like that's what it boiled down to for Lu.

[motorcitymom65]

23 minutes ago, SistaLadybug said:

Oh, I'm sure it does - with them.  I'm sure they're all judging her.

But I'm writing from my POV.  And I don't care who Luann screws.  As you said, she's single (or she was).  I screw whoever I want because I'm grown and I can.  I don't expect people to cover for my behavior because it's not something of which I'm ashamed.  I don't see sex as dirty or forbidden or shameful.  I am open about the parts of my sex life I care to share and don't give a damn what folks think.  I don't judge others who let their freak flags fly.  I think it's healthy.  Luann purports to be that way, then wants to be able to judge others.  No, ma'am.  You can't be doing young men in a restaurant bathroom and then look askance at Carole.  You can't date the same men as the other women in your circle and then pretend to be above them.  You can't do the "walk of shame" back to Sonja's and then say you're mentoring her.  In what?  I cackled alongside Bethenny.  They were in the same decrepit townhouse boat.  Come on!

Amen. 

Lu can screw whoever she wants. Why is it that whenever Lu gets questioned on her behavior, it all comes down to people judging her because she likes to have sex? Or that they care who she has sex with? Last season when folks were upset because a strange random dude was left alone in a bedroom, there were charges that Lu was being judged simply because she likes to have sex. That made zero sense to me and wasn't the problem. The problem wasn't the sex, it was the judgment. Sometimes it feels like you cannot say anything about Lu without being accused of slut-shaming her. Last season she accused Carole of trying to "catch" her in a one night stand when she came in to her room on vacation. She was very dramatic about how horrible it would have been for her son to learn such revealing information about his mother, and she used this to try and make Carole look bad. How the fuck does someone get away with this kind of victimology? Hey Lu, you're the girl who fucked the Pirate and tried to cover it all up with the cameras rolling. Did your son just miss that season? Honestly, I don't think anyone cares about her sex life, but she makes so much of things by being so judgmental and confusing about the rules and regulations that others must live by. 

[zoeysmom]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/05/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-recap-season-8-episode-8.html  Vulture recap.  Not that there is anything funny about dog poop, and the author did note in his recap, the poop was stringy as if the dog had swallowed on of Ramona's extensions.

So last year, Luann was dead wrong, for being pissy about Carole not telling her she was screwing Adam.  Adam who Luann was helping gain exposure for his business via the show.  Carole made a medium size deal of not telling Luann.  This year Ramona is pulling the pissy card on Luann's duty to tell her, in case they were still involved in their non-romantic relationship?    It just seems these folks keep running the same storyline over and over.  What would Ramona have done differently if Luann would have told her?  Pulled a Luann and said it was not appropriate?  That obviously is not a good path.  I am sure Ramona would have wanted to drop a dime on Luann to Thomas and speak of her squirting orgasms or all the men she had bedded because that is what good friends do.

So Luann is wrong about making out, she never said she had sex with the married guy last year, she also said he was divorcing, but Bethenny and Ramona, as married women can date before their divorces are final?  Again they are just so many grey areas these ladies pull out of their butts when they want to shame Luann.  I think Luann is fairly open about her sex life, how much more do they want from her?  Sure she tried (poorly) to cover up the pirate but she usually isn't the first one to slut shame.  Is it really a character flaw if Luann doesn't publish everyone she has ever been intimate with?  How much transparency do they want from Luann and more importantly-why? 

[coops]

Bethenny should be the villain this season. But I'm guessing thatcwon't happen seeing as the producers love her, but boy would I love to see her downfall. 

[Boofish]

12 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Beth says I call it the skinny girls margarita in her TH not at the table with Lu. Although when Lu says she'll have the same thing she then looks at Beth across the table and says the name in a somewhat questioning way that pretty much suggests she's looking to Beth for confirmation that that's what she calls it as if she's heard Beth say it before and wants to make sure she's saying it right. So yeah, that clip does show Lu say it for the first time on camera during filming but in no way did it sound like Lu was the one that came up with the name.

I think Lu might be running with the whole controversy in more of a pain in the ass sort of way. Like she knows it'll bug Beth if she humors the angle and plays into it a bit. I mean when you're dealing with a person like Beth who is always coming for someone having something like this up your sleeve is perfect to throw out randomly just to unsettle her enough and shake things up. I know I would.

That's the way I see it .. when someone says "it was my idea" that means to me - your concept, your ingredients etc. This clip shows Luann basically telling Bethenny "THAT SOUNDS GOOD" completely different from it actually being hers. Now had the clip ended with Luann saying "you should bottle and sell that" Show me that clip and I will throw Luann a bone.

But yeah, if you can goat Bethenny into an argument then by all means please do so so. But bring your A game

[Maire]

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Dorinda:  "For me, this is my opportunity to really show who I am."  ... and an immediate cut to the Big Lots-esque Christmas decorations.  Then the camera person following the pooping dog around the house.   The editors clearly enjoy themselves sometimes

These are the true moments I enjoy. These NYC camera people get everything. I was dying at the Big-Lot (or Costco, take your pick) decorations in Dorinda'a beautiful home. I realize its a big house and you have to fill it up  but come on. The other true moment was  the Golden girls freezing in Sonja's kitchen. OMG she is really nuts.

I also could not believe the Countess admitted  sleeping with and traveling to Ibiza with that wacky Rey. I guess a free trip is a free trip. LuAnn has really kissed a lot of frogs. Hope this guy is a prince.

[racked]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

 

A few years ago Bethenny invented the ponytail.    http://stylenews.people.com/style/2011/10/25/bethenny-frankel-drybar-ponytail/  A Skinnygirl ponytail no less.  This year it is Bethenny's blowout and highlights greatly resemble Luann's and it is making her crazy that Luann called her on it.  A hairstyle is a hairstyle, no one owns the rights to how one styles their hair.

 

She really does think she invented everything. She continually claims on twitter that "zero fucks" is something she invented. She's insufferable. 

I think it's hilarious that Lu kept saying Bethenny copied her hairstyle! I mean it's a little ridiculous because it is a very common haircut for women their age, but I love how much it drives Bethenny crazy to not be given complete credit for everything. 

[Pop Tart]

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In the scene, when Bethenny arrived at Dorinda's house, her haircut did look similar to Luann's.  Bethenny's isn't quite as layered as Luann's, and has more of blunt edge, but they are both sporting chin-length bobs.  I think that comment from Luann may have been one of the things that started to set Bethenny off.  Bethenny likes to think she is an original, and that people should be copying her - not the other way around.  Plus, I think Bethenny considers herself younger and more hip (well, she is) than Luann, and that comparison, in her eyes, was not complimentary.

I agree that the hair comment is what got Bethenny going. She clearly didn't like that Luann suggested she'd copied her hairstyle and then even said something like "well maybe you copied mine" and I was like whaa? Great comeback Bethenny. Luann has had the same hairstyle pretty much throughout the series but she copied your hairstyle? And I don't even think the two styles are that similar other then in length, but it clearly angered Beth - of course it doesn't take much to make Bethenny feel threatened and ready to jump down her throat.

I think almost even worse then Bethenny's nasty, cruel, attitude with Luann was the way that Ramona was sitting there with a gleeful smile while she watched Bethenny go after Luann. She was loving watching her new "bestie" in action. 

In regards to Ramona and her dog - I've noticed so many of the dogs on these shows are allowed to go in the house and I think it's a symptom of the HW's narcissism. They want the cute dog as accessory but do no work to care for them whatsoever. If they could have full-time dog nannies they probably would.

[Yours Truly]

40 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

http://www.vulture.com/2016/05/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-recap-season-8-episode-8.html  Vulture recap.  Not that there is anything funny about dog poop, and the author did note in his recap, the poop was stringy as if the dog had swallowed on of Ramona's extensions.

So last year, Luann was dead wrong, for being pissy about Carole not telling her she was screwing Adam.  Adam who Luann was helping gain exposure for his business via the show.  Carole made a medium size deal of not telling Luann.  This year Ramona is pulling the pissy card on Luann's duty to tell her, in case they were still involved in their non-romantic relationship?    It just seems these folks keep running the same storyline over and over.  What would Ramona have done differently if Luann would have told her?  Pulled a Luann and said it was not appropriate?  That obviously is not a good path.  I am sure Ramona would have wanted to drop a dime on Luann to Thomas and speak of her squirting orgasms or all the men she had bedded because that is what good friends do.

So Luann is wrong about making out, she never said she had sex with the married guy last year, she also said he was divorcing, but Bethenny and Ramona, as married women can date before their divorces are final?  Again they are just so many grey areas these ladies pull out of their butts when they want to shame Luann.  I think Luann is fairly open about her sex life, how much more do they want from her?  Sure she tried (poorly) to cover up the pirate but she usually isn't the first one to slut shame.  Is it really a character flaw if Luann doesn't publish everyone she has ever been intimate with?  How much transparency do they want from Luann and more importantly-why? 

Exactly! I find Lu's efforts normal. She not trying to hide it per se she's just asking that it not be sensationalized I mean damn. The way these women present and go on and off about Lu's sexual business is rather disgusting. Lu's merely asking that they not turn it into some nasty locker room topic all the live long day. Specifics don't need to be shared or hashed out or embellished for the sake of trying to embarrass her. See this is the thing by taking Lu's healthy and basic sex life and describing it in vulgar and exagerrated ways, THAT'S the point where it and she is transformed into something that's insulting and that's hurtful. I mean it's how it's discussed by the others like when they offer up extra details or share more information that Lu consciously keeps off camera that I feel are relevant points. Now THAT's the depiction that I'm sure she doesn't want her son or kids to see. The picture that the women paint of her and her actions and not her actions in and of itself. Obviously her son knows she has sex and hey even if it comes up during filming here and there but its the spin that the women like to put on it that is what's truly distasteful and disrespectful. It's not like the camera man is following her into the bathroom and she's performing anal in front of the cameras but the other women just love to fill in the blanks ON CAMERA and that's uncalled for and unnecessary,  not to mention they also do this in a disapproving way so honestly, she does have a point in not wanting them to make more of something than what's shown. She may not be as discreet as she needs to be with her actions but that doesn't mean she can't be unhappy that the HW's make more of it than what is shown just for the sake of outting her.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Yours Truly

[izabella]

1 hour ago, b2H said:

I don't know that Dorinda completely kowtowed to Bethenny.  I do believe that Dorinda knew that raging idiot Bethenny would have jumped all over Sonja, creating even more shrieking and accusations and Heaven knows all what else.  Dorinda also recognizes that Sonja is, indeed, fragile emotionally and, whether Bethenny wants to believe it or not doesn't make it false, Sonja is trying to recover from a financial disaster.  Bethenny could've been the hero here, but that's a whole other response.  I think Dorinda was trying to minimize the hostility and protect Sonja to some degree from the F5 tornado that is Bethenny.

I mean, look at the attack Bethenny did without Sonja here.  The girl thinks her story line is fighting with everyone.  Were it I, I would be avoiding this girl like bubonic plague, I don't care what Andy pays me.

That's the problem as I see it.  If you're afraid that a rabid dog might attack your guests, you don't banish all the guests the dog might attack.  You ban the dog.  Especially when the dog will attack ANY guest you might have, not just one specific guest.

Do chose to have Bethy there instead of Sonja, and Do is a fool since Bethy has done nothing but go after John and so has Ramona.  Do needs to own that, lol.

[SistaLadybug]

20 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Who else besides Carole has Lu actually side eyed about sex? I mean the Carole situation isn't exactly a cut and dry one so I'm curious. All this talk about the Countess being so judgey and all I remember was that she was only vocal about this topic when it was Carole and Adam and to me I never took her to seriously be annoyed by that particular detail but more about the fact that it was the ex of her niece that had her being judgemental. It was unfortunate that she grabbed on to that narrative to express her dismay over the pairing but I never actually felt like that's what it boiled down to for Lu.

Carole is fucking the ex of her niece.  Luann is fucking (and has fucked) the ex of her friends.  (Dick must be hard to come by in those circles.)

Here's my point: From the original post and all thereafter.  All these chicks are on the same level.  Not one of them is above the fray.  They are in the gutter together and that's what makes this show enjoyable for me.  I think Luann is just as nasty as Bethenny but Luann makes it look better.  She's more glamorous, (objectively) more beautiful, more graceful.  But she's a nicety bitch and I don't like her one bit.

[njbchlover]

35 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

I bet the reason Dorinda was all "too bad so sad" about Carole saying she didn't want to go if Luann was there, was that since she's Bethenny's bestie now Bethenny probably wouldn't go if Carole didn't.  I'm surprised it didn't end up with Lu getting disinvited.

If Luann was disinvited, who would Bethenny have to start an argument with?  She gets along with all the other women there.

[Yours Truly]

1 minute ago, SistaLadybug said:

Carole is fucking the ex of her niece.  Luann is fucking (and has fucked) the ex of her friends.  (Dick must be hard to come by in those circles.)

Here's my point: From the original post and all thereafter.  All these chicks are on the same level.  Not one of them is above the fray.  They are in the gutter together and that's what makes this show enjoyable for me.  I think Luann is just as nasty as Bethenny but Luann makes it look better.  She's more glamorous, (objectively) more beautiful, more graceful.  But she's a nicety bitch and I don't like her one bit.

But to me she's the bees knees. ;-)

For me, she's the only HW that I don't automatically have to mentally prepare myself for when she comes into a scene. Everyone else I have to worry about the possibility of some cringe worthy moment, like when your turning the crank on a jack in the box.

[ButterQueen]

3 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

They weren't invited because they were holding out for for more money on there contracts. Also why we have the FAKE Luann living with Sonja. It's all about the Benjamin's.

I know they signed up late, but Lu was at Dorinda's event which was also a Christmas thing like Beth's.

[msblossom]

The close up of Ramona's dog taking a dump was gross and not the least bit entertaining, Bravo.  If I have to see that again, we will part ways.

Disgusting as it was, it does show the direction this show is heading. 

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, beesknees said:

What is Bethenny's upcoming health scare?  Inquiring minds want to know.  (Let's pray it's lock jaw).

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[BloggerAloud]

One of my biggest problems with Bethenny is that even when she's technically right, she always overplays her hand. She goes from zero to Sherman's March to the Sea in a split second with very little middle ground. Her desperate need to prove herself right is what undoes her because so many times viewers would be on her side if she just shut up and let things play out and let people hang themselves.

[MaryTylerMoore]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

I am gobsmacked that Luann continues her 'I came up with Skinny Girl' in the face of actual clips that show all she did is say 'I'll have that too'. 

All Luann is claiming is they were together when Beth came up with it and was one of the first to try it.

Why do people keep saying Luann is hard up for cash? I think her needing a place to stay in the city was the excuse so she and Sonja could always film together thus ensuring each would get a paycheck and facetime. Given Sonja's financial situation it's being a good supportive friend.

[ButterQueen]

4 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

On WWHL Dorinda said that not only did Ramona not offer to have the rugs cleaned but that her dog was not responsible for the poop - so glad the eagle-eyed cameraman stayed focused on the pooch and got the scoop!

My dog had an accident last week on my ivory oriental rug while we were away, and it cost me 180.00 to have it cleaned and 1300.00 to replace it because it didn't come completely out.  Dorinda needs to make Ramona pay. That was so gross.

[Bronzedog]

The thing about dog-crap gate is Ramona was way too comfortable with it to for it to be an unusual event.  She basically ignored it while Dorinda cleaned it up.  Makes me think the dog craps in her apt. All the time.  Plus, I can't see Ramona bothering to rush the dog out when she's home in her high rise apt.  I'm a dog loving fanatic but if the dog isn't housebroken, or you don't want to deal with it, leave the dog home.  Ramona is one entitled, oblivious bitch.

[Duke2801]

1 hour ago, TexasGal said:

I bet the reason Dorinda was all "too bad so sad" about Carole saying she didn't want to go if Luann was there, was that since she's Bethenny's bestie now Bethenny probably wouldn't go if Carole didn't.  I'm surprised it didn't end up with Lu getting disinvited.

Ah but then Queen Bethenny wouldn't have had anyone to gang up on. No funsies (for her).

On another note, messy as she is, I do admit Sonja makes me laugh sometimes. Her comment last night (on the walk with Dorinda) about how she looks in the mirror and doesn't recognize the woman in the reflection and how she "hates that bitch"?  Had me LOL for reals. 

Edited May 26, 2016 by Duke2801

[HumblePi]

1 hour ago, bravofan27 said:

 

I don't think if you point blank asked her she would have any idea what you were talking about. If anything, she is hoping the exposure will catch her more money in amateur porn and she can avoid having to do more anal. 

I was thinking the same thing anyway... it was probably a word she threw out to show her Jewishness.

She said she doesn't like the word 'moist'. She said it's the #1 worst word that any girl wants to hear. "Moist, ointment, grundle, It's a most disgusting word". For those of us who don't know the word 'grundle' I had to google it. The most humorous definition comes from the Urban Dictionary. " The prime piece of real estate located conveniently between Scrotumburg and Anusville. One of these days, I'm going to move to the grundle." So I thought, okay that's the same thing as the 'taint'. 

[HumblePi]

18 minutes ago, BloggerAloud said:

One of my biggest problems with Bethenny is that even when she's technically right, she always overplays her hand. She goes from zero to Sherman's March to the Sea in a split second with very little middle ground. Her desperate need to prove herself right is what undoes her because so many times viewers would be on her side if she just shut up and let things play out and let people hang themselves.

I had to freeze the 'foaming at the mouth' moment during her argument with Luann. I swear her eyeballs rolled back into her head as if she was transitioning into Satan's Spawn right at that moment. Talk about ferocious!

[islandgal140]

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Carole is fucking the ex of her niece.  Luann is fucking (and has fucked) the ex of her friends.  (Dick must be hard to come by in those circles.)

I don't consider Ramona is a friend to anyone let alone Luann so I give Lu a pass on that Tom business. 

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

See I hear this a lot about Lu and the reason why it still doesn't affect how much I still like her is because her shit usually comes out organically and for a reason. Beth just shoots nastiness for the sake of being nasty but throughout all the seasons Lu has had a pretty even keeled balance between being pretty genuine, mellow, and across the board friendly. She's had moments where she's been cutting but it's never right out of nowhere. There's usually some sort of tension or petty little grudge in the air from the people she ends up barbing here and there. The thing with Alex wasn't just in a vacuum. Was it the nicest display? No, but at the same time Alex was clearly putting out uneasy vibes and letting her discomfort be a thing so I think Lu just responded to the sillyness of it with her aloof dismissiveness. Not the most kindest gesture but at the same time Alex's grievances where just so childish.  

Usually there's a reason why she's either checking somebody or slipping in a dig and to be absolutely honest I actually like the way she does this because it doesn't really disrupt the whole group when she does it. It doesn't overflow into a big to do that creates the hot mess fighting matches or crying fits that the others end up creating. Most of the time she's trying to the do the opposite which is try to keep the conflict in a pretty non-issue tone. Yes it does unfortunately come off as being dismissive and haughty but I would take her controlled tone over the crazy barrage of Beth and Crazy eyes any day.

Great post and insight into Lu. I have to say I always had and have a soft spot for Luann, even back in the day when she was at her haughtiest. I just can't quit her. I think a great deal of it is how you explained it above. Truth be told, when the show was originally set to air, I expected most well to do Manhattanites of the ladies who lunch set would handle conflict in a similar manner. Well placed, cutting passive aggressive digs interspersed with polite conversation. Even more subtle than Lu. The kind that would cut you so eloquently and cleaning that you wouldn't even know you were cut/insulted until 2 days later when you looked down and wondered where all the blood was coming from. LOL! I could never fathom screaming and arguing and direct confrontation over lunch but here you have it.

I don't know how Dorinda got 2 wealthy men of means, one of which seemed a right scholar and gentleman, to marry her hood ass. 

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

Maybe, but something bugs; it goes back to attitudes about sex, that somehow sex is "dirty" and "naughty."  Shit, sex is how we all got here, so how dirty can it be?  I bet Ramona wishes she was having as much sex as LuAnn.  

I know her ass wishes she was engaged and getting married. 

 

6 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

The thing about dog-crap gate is Ramona was way too comfortable with it to for it to be an unusual event.  She basically ignored it while Dorinda cleaned it up.  Makes me think the dog craps in her apt. All the time.  Plus, I can't see Ramona bothering to rush the dog out when she's home in her high rise apt.  I'm a dog loving fanatic but if the dog isn't housebroken, or you don't want to deal with it, leave the dog home.  Ramona is one entitled, oblivious bitch.

It is really, really starting to bug me that all the housewives allow her to be entitled and oblivious. The bitch is literally teflon now.  She offers one of her simpering half ass apologies in her stilted weird ass way of speaking with her crazy eyes and all is forgiven. Shit, Ramona could have pulled down her pants and joined Coco in shitting on Dorinda's good rug with little to no hard feelings. Everybody would just shrug and say 'that's Ramona!" laugh and move on. Enough is Enough!

[AuntiePam]

12 hours ago, izabella said:

Luann starts putting on airs when she has a man in her life.  We see you, Lu.

 

This must be why she's so boring this season.  Off-camera LuAnn must be more interesting than on-camera LuAnn.  What does Tom see in her?  Her comments are banal enough, but then she repeats them and laughs. 

[SistaLadybug]

I wouldn't fuck the ex of my co-worker, either, but hey ... those chicks seem to like leftovers.

It was hilarious to watch Lu be very Carole about the whole thing.  Not naming names.  Not bringing him around.  Didn't want the other women to mess things up.  Hey, I get it.  She runs with a pack of wolves.  And she is within her rights to conduct her relationship however she wants.  But she has now opened herself up for the same type of feedback that she gave Carole.  She was avoiding the subject of which man she's in relationship with because it's awkward.  Now, Ramona can act affronted (which she will).  It's not a huge deal because it's hardly like he and Ramona were in a serious relationship of any kind, but Ramona is a loon and she's gonna make a mountain out of a holemill.  It's gonna be ridic.

*rubs hands together* I look forward to it.  Of all the beef on this show, the on that pleases me most is Ramona vs. Luann.  Those two can't stand each other.  They hate each other to the very marrow.  It's delicious.

[zoeysmom]

Last season Bethenny and Carole were in an uproar when Ramona distracted the restaurant owner and commandeered him away from the Greek chorus consisting of Bethenny and Carole.   I thought it was stupid, as both Bethenny and Carole were in relationships and most establishment owners know how to escape the grasp of an overly possessive patron.  if the guy wanted to get away from Ramona or include Carole and Bethenny he could have. To hear them tell it Ramona was such a cock blocker.  Now this year Ramona is demanding that Luann ask permission before dating someone she had not dated in two months.  (Ramona claims they had six dates in August and September-Luann started dating him after Thanksgiving.)  Ramona claims the reason she moved on from Tom was because he had never been married, she wanted someone older with adult children who could understand her love of Avery.  How it took six dates to determine that Tom had never married and had no children and he was 49 years old (ten years younger than Ramona)? 

Again these women with their situational ethics and protocol.  Newsflash, men have minds of their own.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, izabella said:

That's the problem as I see it.  If you're afraid that a rabid dog might attack your guests, you don't banish all the guests the dog might attack.  You ban the dog.  Especially when the dog will attack ANY guest you might have, not just one specific guest.

Do chose to have Bethy there instead of Sonja, and Do is a fool since Bethy has done nothing but go after John and so has Ramona.  Do needs to own that, lol.

Ahhh, but without Bethenny there, she risked much of her party cut out during editing. LOL

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

If Luann was disinvited, who would Bethenny have to start an argument with?  She gets along with all the other women there.

Herself? Dorinda fears getting on Bethenny's shit list and getting blasted herself. LOL

[MerryMary]

Wow, grundle is the new taint?  The things I learn on this board.  I don't understand when a new housewife comes into the mix and she wants to get along with everyone.  Where's the drama in that?  Don't they watch the show?  Form alliances and raise hell with the weakest link.  I think Jules is one and done, season-wise.  Erika came into RHOBH and immediately caused drama.  She knows the game.

There's really something wrong with Bethenny, everyone else is just regularly messed up but Bethenny is in a whole other category.  I hope she's just playing a part and everyone is in on the joke, but I don't think so.

John's moist remark would have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me relationship-wise.  Dorinda's remark about Jules spending all of her husband's money was just as bad but it wasn't crude.

The only that worries me about Lu sleeping around is STD's.  The Herp is forever and condoms don't prevent it.

Edited May 26, 2016 by MerryMary

[ButterQueen]

11 minutes ago, SistaLadybug said:

I wouldn't fuck the ex of my co-worker, either, but hey ... those chicks seem to like leftovers.

 

Unless you fuck a virgin, everyone is a leftover.