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cmr2014
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I was thinking about this and the idea that the girls weren't "harmed" and weren't "damaged goods" which led me to realize that ALL of the Duggar children are "damaged goods" and I think that's becomi

Churchhoney
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They put themselves on tv and have proclaimed over and over and over and over again that their way of life is the way to ensure that your children are totally safe from every evil of the world, and in

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I don't know where to post this but I fucking met Michelle Duggar. Let me set the scene. So my cousin is getting married and we were at a shop looking at dresses here in Kentucky when the Duggars marc

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sagittarius sue

1 hour ago, Bookish Jen said:

She is also very anti-vac and got Covid and shingles at the same time.

Ha, one could interpret that as a message from God.  "I sent you medical expertise with vaccines, and you didn't pay attention.

Yes, about Jinger's appearance on GMA, a link posted earlier on the Jinger/Jeremy topic.

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cmr2014

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On 1/24/2023 at 3:42 PM, louannems said:

I used to read some of her stuff and listen to some of her videos.  She is truly awful and very abusive.  She has frequently given detailed accounts of how she would order her two year old to “pick up your toys” and when the toddle refused, Lori would remove her pants and whip her with a leather strap.  She explained that you must hit hard enough for the kid to scream, not just whimper.

Any parent would know that you don’t give a two year old a generic order like pick up your toys without getting on the floor and helping them, maybe make a game or song of it.

I think that's kind of the point -- at least that's the Pearl method. You bait the child into doing/not doing something, and then beat him/her for doing/not doing what you encouraged.

In this case, you give a young child a task that he may not be able to fully understand or perform, and them beat him for failing to complete it. And, of course, the more vicious and psychotic the beating, the more "Biblical" it is (e.g. making a 2-year-old scream vs whimper).

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ChiCricket

ChiCricket

24 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Has anyone seen updates about the documentary about Gothardism that was announced awhile back? I think Amazon was supposed to be involved...? Just shortly after it was announced, the Bates' show was cancelled.

I only found this: (but it's from Jan. 7, 2022) 

  "  Variety recently announced that Amazon Studios is producing a docuseries on the religious organization that counts the Duggars among its members, as well as other reality-TV families, like the Plaths ("Welcome to Plathville") and Bates ("Bringing Up Bates"). The series, which will debut in late 2022 or 2023, promises to do for the Duggars' church what "LuLaRich" did for the LuLaRoe multilevel marketing company: expose the shadier side of a seemingly wholesome lifestyle."

https://www.thelist.com/719485/this-new-amazon-documentary-could-be-the-lularich-of-the-duggar-family/

 

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quarks

quarks

This is the official press release from Amazon:

https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/en/press-release/gripping-new-docuseries-coming-to-prime-video-show

 

That press release noted that the docuseries was already in production (which means that cameras were rolling by December 2021) but did not give a release date; the "late 2022 or 2023" timeframe is an addition from Variety and The Hollywood Reporter, presumably backed up by some reporting.

 

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Zella

Zella

IMO if The Hollywood Reporter has anything on it, they likely had some reliable information on it being in production at the time. (Of course, who knows what's happened since then. Maybe it shuttered or maybe they've just been working quietly.) But THR is considered a long-standing trade paper of the industry. Not that I actually know anything about Hollywood firsthand, but I've noticed just from following entertainment news that they do often run a lot of legitimate inside scoops and have deep-dives on industry issues. 

Also fun random fact: the guy who founded it is the same guy who Bugsy Siegel infamously stole the Flamingo Hotel from in Las Vegas! Obviously the paper worked out better. LOL 

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madpsych78

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21 hours ago, quarks said:

Deadline has it listed under 2023 TBA shows, a list which also confirms that we still don't have an official release date for Animaniacs or The Crown yet.

Full list here:

https://deadline.com/feature/2023-tv-premiere-dates-streaming-cable-broadcast-new-series-returning-series-1235138890/

 

Does R.E.M. know that they are using the name of one of their songs, which incidentally is from the same album as "Losing My Religion"?

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quarks

quarks

11 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Does R.E.M. know that they are using the name of one of their songs, which incidentally is from the same album as "Losing My Religion"?

I have no idea what R.E.M. knows or doesn't know, but as Gemma Violet notes, R.E.M. didn't originate the term/phrase And this documentary isn't the first to use the title - it's also the name of an episode in the fourth season of Angel, very definitely in reference to the song.

It's also a fairly safe bet that the name was cleared through Amazon's attorneys. And since "Shiny Happy People" doesn't seem to be trademarked (by R.E.M. or by Amazon), I'm guessing it falls under fair use. 

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mythoughtis

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1 hour ago, kaleidoscope said:

According to cafemom:  Amazon's Upcoming Docuseries on the Duggars Will Expose Shocking Details About the Family

https://cafemom.com/entertainment/amazon-docuseries-duggars-shocking

It says it will be previewed this coming Thursday by the press.  I'm anxious to hear if anything new comes out.

If you read the entire article, it admits that most of us know the details.  It’s the casual viewer that will learn ‘shocking  details’.  

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If you read the entire article, it admits that most of us know the details.  It’s the casual viewer that will learn ‘shocking  details’. 

That's what I figured. I don't think anything about this trashy family would shock me, at this point. If they found a bunch of heads in a TTH freezer, I'd be like, yeah, I kind of suspected...

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Zella

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24 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I wonder if this series has anything to do with the Bates cancellation.  There has to be some explanation.

 

I don't even follow the Bateses and I still wonder what was up with that. Their messaging around it was very weird. I got some real mutually assured destruction vibes between them and the channel. 

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Salacious Kitty

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6 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't even follow the Bateses and I still wonder what was up with that. Their messaging around it was very weird. I got some real mutually assured destruction vibes between them and the channel. 

UP had an entire season in the can. IIRC, they cancelled no more than two weeks out from the season premiere. No explanation was ever given from either UP or the Bateses. There was the "George Floyd" video, but UP was filming that game of charades, so I assume they saw Carlin filming. If not, and they only found out when Carlin released the video, it could have been a big part of the reason. 

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Zella

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2 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

UP had an entire season in the can. IIRC, they cancelled no more than two weeks out from the season premiere. No explanation was ever given from either UP or the Bateses. There was the "George Floyd" video, but UP was filming that game of charades, so I assume they saw Carlin filming. If not, and they only found out when Carlin released the video, it could have been a big part of the reason. 

Yep and the family's comments were not at all ones of surprise or displeasure with being cancelled so suddenly and with a full season canned. It's just weird. 

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Salacious Kitty

Salacious Kitty

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yep and the family's comments were not at all ones of surprise or displeasure with being cancelled so suddenly and with a full season canned. It's just weird. 

Yeah, they really played it off as if it was NBD. You know Gil was seething. That show got him out of the poorhouse, and several daughters called BUB "Dad's show." That was the reason Whitney changed from jeans to a skirt to film at Papa Bill's farm and other pants wearing daughters were only filmed in skirts. Gil ran the show. 

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13 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

So, I am curious how much the IBLP will play into this? And why dump the Bateses just to focus on the Duggars? The Bateses are cult power brokers. Gil is still on the board and making speeches at Family Camp. I'd have enjoyed watching them get ripped apart.

I'd rather one that focused on IBLP in general.   The Duggars  aren't a one off.   The whole cult needs to be exposed not just one family treated as an outlier because of FF.   

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GeeGolly

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Now that time has passed and this documentary is actually real, I wonder if UP cancelled the Bates due to both the George Floyd remark and the (potential) documentary.

The Bates family had skated along with a lot of low key racism, but UP seemed to think Kelly having a Black sister countered that. Both TLC and UP knew the Bates and Duggars skated along with little sprigs of IBLP patriarchy and 'spare the rod' parenting popping up, but a lot of viewers didn't seem to care or notice. A documentary saying the quiet parts aloud certainly would not be wanted.

I wonder if UP new the documentary was really happening and was concerned it would air during the cancelled season and combined with Carlin's George Floyd post it would be too much drama to downplay.

And wow, it sucks the documentary is basically a Duggar clickbait show and not a real exposé about IBLP and IFBs in general. IMO, the producers went for money rather than exposing the horrors behind the curtain.

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MaryAnneSpier

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13 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I wonder if the documentary slant will be about a family who are victims of a cult or a family who assisted in running a cult. IMO, the Duggar and Bates families are really victims. Not saying they remained innocent victims, especially at this point, but victims none the less.

Respectfully, I disagree that the families as a whole were victims. The children were victims of their parents' upbringing certainly, but I don't view the adults who bought into and enforced this lifestyle as victims. 

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MaryAnneSpier

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22 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

And wow, it sucks the documentary is basically a Duggar clickbait show and not a real exposé about IBLP and IFBs in general. IMO, the producers went for money rather than exposing the horrors behind the curtain.

That's how I feel too.  It seems they focused on just making "content": a cheap and easily put together product for consumption, rather than anything deeper than surface level. I'd been looking forward to this when it was supposed to be about IBLP as a whole and examining what led it its creation, the man-made rules, the downfall of its creator, and its impact on culture as a whole. etc. Instead, it seems this "documentary" will be on the level of trashy tabloid articles and headlines. Disappointing.  

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GeeGolly

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12 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Respectfully, I disagree that the families as a whole were victims. The children were victims of their parents' upbringing certainly, but I don't view the adults who bought into and enforced this lifestyle as victims. 

I totally understand and respect your opinion.

I just see the Duggar and Bates parents falling prey to Gothard's snake oil. I believe when they started with him the families thought they found the magic pill to raise God's wholesome army while saving souls.

My question is how hard did they fall and when they became more exposed to the real world did they make a conscious choice to remain with IBLP or are they too far gone to really think they're in a cult?

As far as Michelle and Kelly, I think Michelle is too far gone and Kelly is choosing to remain. 

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merylinkid

merylinkid

24 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I just see the Duggar and Bates parents falling prey to Gothard's snake oil. I believe when they started with him the families thought they found the magic pill to raise God's wholesome army while saving souls.

I disagree.    Gil SERVES ON THE BOARD.    He is perpetuating this.   He isn't just some member who got sucked into a cult.   he is part of the leadership that is SUCKING OTHERS IN.   He's not a victim, he's the abuser.

Jim Boob is the same.   Maybe he never got on the board, but he sure spoke out about how wonderful it was.   He went around the country telling people THIS is how you are supposed to live. 

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GeeGolly

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1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

I disagree.    Gil SERVES ON THE BOARD.    He is perpetuating this.   He isn't just some member who got sucked into a cult.   he is part of the leadership that is SUCKING OTHERS IN.   He's not a victim, he's the abuser.

Jim Boob is the same.   Maybe he never got on the board, but he sure spoke out about how wonderful it was.   He went around the country telling people THIS is how you are supposed to live. 

I'm guessing you didn't read my other post. There is a then and now. Maybe then they were victims and now they're not. Maybe they never were, but I believe they were and possibly some still are.

Also, folks who fall victim to cults also become leaders, but are still under the spell of the cult. That's how it works.

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GeeGolly

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2 hours ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

That's how I feel too.  It seems they focused on just making "content": a cheap and easily put together product for consumption, rather than anything deeper than surface level. I'd been looking forward to this when it was supposed to be about IBLP as a whole and examining what led it its creation, the man-made rules, the downfall of its creator, and its impact on culture as a whole. etc. Instead, it seems this "documentary" will be on the level of trashy tabloid articles and headlines. Disappointing.  

Maybe if the ratings are good this will be the first of a series of sorts. A docuseries unwrapping IBLP and IFB. One can hope.

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quarks

quarks

....in retrospect I probably should have said "lower budget" not "cheaper."

I'm not involved with this production so can't really state how much it cost, but given usual documentary costs/rates, my guess is that this entire docuseries probably cost Amazon Studios somewhere around $3 to $8 million, or less than a single episode of Wheel of Time (reported budget of $10 million per episode) and considerably less than a single episode of Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power (reported budget of about $50 million per episode). 

But lower budget doesn't necessarily mean lower quality. I understand where the comments here are coming from, but I do think it's relevant that the producers behind this documentary/docuseries have won multiple Academy Awards, Golden Globes and Emmys, have been acclaimed by several nonprofit organizations, and do not have a reputation for putting together a "cheap and easily put together product for consumption, rather than anything deeper than surface level" or tabloid level content.

That doesn't, of course, mean that this docuseries will be any good! Just that I'm willing to wait to see it first.

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