Party of One: Unpopular TV Opinions

[proserpina65]

1 hour ago, Ancaster said:

I'm pretty sure that was the entire premise of Seinfeld.

Which is why I never liked the show.

I have a really unpopular opinion about Abby on ER: I didn't particularly like or dislike her.  I was actually pretty meh about her.

[BlueSkies]

While I totally despise ESPN is/became.....  a lot of Stephen A Smith's takes on things aren't all that bad if you can put aside his loud/yelling personality 

[Shrek]

2 minutes ago, BlueSkies said:

While I totally despise ESPN is/became.....  a lot of Stephen A Smith's takes on things aren't all that bad if you can put aside his loud/yelling personality 

Most can't get past his yelling though, including me. If I see him on my screen I just keep changing the channel.

Edited June 30 by Shrek

[Bastet]

The only time anything coming out of Smith's loud mouth is correct is when he's making fun of the Cowboys or their fans.

[Wiendish Fitch]

I know I've made this point before, but it bears repeating:

I don't care if actors don't (or didn't) get along with their co-stars. Acting is a job, a set is a workplace, and your fellow actors are your co-workers, not your friends. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a positive work environment, but no one is under any obligation to be another's friend. As long as nothing abusive or criminal is happening, then it's all good. 

Please remember: these people play friends, that doesn't necessarily make them friends. Kim Catrall and Sarah Jessica Parker are allowed to not like each other. It's a bummer that Bea Arthur and Betty White didn't get along, but I doubt it haunted their dying thoughts.

[DearEvette]

37 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I don't care if actors don't (or didn't) get along with their co-stars. Acting is a job, a set is a workplace, and your fellow actors are your co-workers, not your friends. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a positive work environment, but no one is under any obligation to be another's friend. As long as nothing abusive or criminal is happening, then it's all good. 

I very much agree as long and "not friends" is all it is and the working atmosphere remain healthy.  You can be cordial and professional without being BFFs.

The danger comes in when the "not friends" is actually closer to a "dislike" and especially if one person has a higher power profile than the other.  That is when the workplace has the opportunity to slide over from strictly professional to hostile for the person with the lower power profile (or even the entire set in general).  They can find themselves the recipient of behaviors that don't rise to abusive or criminal but can still be uncomfortable and can affect their work and health.  And it can bleed onto the screen if the animosity is bad enough and actually affect the show.

Edited June 30 by DearEvette

[Blergh]

7 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

I very much agree as long and "not friends" is all it is and the working atmosphere remain healthy.  You can be cordial and professional without being BFFs.

The danger comes in when the "not friends" is actually closer to a "dislike" and especially if one person has a higher power profile than the other.  That is when the workplace has the opportunity to slide over from strictly professional to hostile for the person with the lower power profile (or even the entire set in general).  They can find themselves the recipient of behaviors that don't rise to abusive or criminal but can still be uncomfortable and can affect their work and health.  And it can bleed onto the screen if the animosity is bad enough and actually affect the show.

Good point! On The Lucy Show , after Vivian Vance quit being Lucy's costar in 1965, they attempted to bring in Joan Blondell to play Lucy's new sidekick/bestie. The good news is that onscreen, Miss Blondell's character got along great and had excellent chemistry with Lucy's character. The bad news is that offscreen, the two performers  couldn't stand each other- at all! Things came to a head after a few episodes when  Miss Blondell responded to Lucy's  criticism of the performance she  had just given  with '[BLANK] you, Lucille Ball!'  in front of the entire crew and studio audience then immediately walking off never to return!

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I know I've made this point before, but it bears repeating:

I don't care if actors don't (or didn't) get along with their co-stars. Acting is a job, a set is a workplace, and your fellow actors are your co-workers, not your friends. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a positive work environment, but no one is under any obligation to be another's friend. As long as nothing abusive or criminal is happening, then it's all good. 

Please remember: these people play friends, that doesn't necessarily make them friends. Kim Catrall and Sarah Jessica Parker are allowed to not like each other. It's a bummer that Bea Arthur and Betty White didn't get along, but I doubt it haunted their dying thoughts.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

William Frawley and Vivian Vance: HATED each other, but pulled up their pants and did their jobs as Fred and Ethel Mertz. Word is Lucille and Vivian weren’t friends during the show’s run* but did in later years.

I remember an interview with Terri Hatcher where she expressed just because she  and Dean Cain worked as Lois and Clark/Superman, didn’t make them best friends.

*I Love Lucy

Edited June 30 by GHScorpiosRule

[kathyk2]

18 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

I very much agree as long and "not friends" is all it is and the working atmosphere remain healthy.  You can be cordial and professional without being BFFs.

The danger comes in when the "not friends" is actually closer to a "dislike" and especially if one person has a higher power profile than the other.  That is when the workplace has the opportunity to slide over from strictly professional to hostile for the person with the lower power profile (or even the entire set in general).  They can find themselves the recipient of behaviors that don't rise to abusive or criminal but can still be uncomfortable and can affect their work and health.  And it can bleed onto the screen if the animosity is bad enough and actually affect the show.

I agree there's a line between not being friends and discrimination. George Peppard told Melinda Culea that women didn't belong on the set of the A-Team.

[Anela]

I enjoyed a TV show, in 2016/2017, until I found out that not only did the leads not get along, neither of them wanted to do the show in the first place. That's what put me off. 

[kathyk2]

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

The only time anything coming out of Smith's loud mouth is correct is when he's making fun of the Cowboys or their fans.

His videos when the Cowboys lose are hilarious. He was right when he said that Black coaches rarely get a second chance in the NFL. When he is quiet that's when he's serious.

[Annber03]

5 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I remember an interview with Terri Hatcher where she expressed just because  and Dean Cain worked as Lois and Clark/Superman, didn’t make them best friends.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, that's something some fans REALLY need to learn - the amount of times I've heard about people being genuinely disappointed to learn that the actors aren't as madly in love with each other as their characters are, and feel like they've been "lied to" or whatever...like..do you not understand the concept of acting, or...? For god's sakes, there have been actors who could not stand each other who still managed to make it believable that their characters were in love with each othe or married or whatever (the mention of Frawley and Vance up above being a perfect example). 

But yeah, I mean, sure, I love it when the cast of a show does genuinely get along with each other - I've been fortunate enough to where most of the shows I watch, the casts get along very well, to the point where they'll hang out together off set, or if it's a show that's ended, they're still close and hang out when they can, and all that good stuff. I do think it does add an element of enjoyment to a show when you can see the cast's genuinely close bonds come through in how their characters interact with each other. 

That being said, indeed, acting is like any other job, in that there'll be some co-workers you hit it off famously with, and others you might have a good working relationship with, but you just don't feel the need to hang out once you're done with work. And then there's some that just don't click and that's fine, too. So long as nobody's actively treating anyone else like shit on set and making it a toxic workplace, that's the most important thing. 

[Bastet]

14 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

the amount of times I've heard about people being genuinely disappointed to learn that the actors aren't as madly in love with each other as their characters are, and feel like they've been "lied to" or whatever...like..do you not understand the concept of acting, or...?

That is nuts.  If anything, be more impressed they made the relationship between the characters so believable when it bore no resemblance to their own.

It adds another layer of enjoyment where a working relationship that resulted in an on-screen duo or group I delighted in also resulted in friendships that continued well beyond the show -- I love that Tyne Daly and Sharon Gless are still friends all these decades after Cagney & Lacey, that the original three Charlie's Angels stayed close, that most of the cast of Battlestar Galactica (the remake) considers each other family to this day, etc.

But it doesn't take away from, let alone ruin, my enjoyment of a show if the actors don't like each other so long as no one is creating a hostile work environment.  Some of my all-time favorite shows starred actors who were not fond of each other off screen, and which was known to be the case at the time the show was airing, but they did the job and respected each other as scene partners.  So it didn't matter a bit to me as a fan.

[Anela]

36 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, that's something some fans REALLY need to learn - the amount of times I've heard about people being genuinely disappointed to learn that the actors aren't as madly in love with each other as their characters are, and feel like they've been "lied to" or whatever...like..do you not understand the concept of acting, or...? For god's sakes, there have been actors who could not stand each other who still managed to make it believable that their characters were in love with each othe or married or whatever (the mention of Frawley and Vance up above being a perfect example). 

But yeah, I mean, sure, I love it when the cast of a show does genuinely get along with each other - I've been fortunate enough to where most of the shows I watch, the casts get along very well, to the point where they'll hang out together off set, or if it's a show that's ended, they're still close and hang out when they can, and all that good stuff. I do think it does add an element of enjoyment to a show when you can see the cast's genuinely close bonds come through in how their characters interact with each other. 

That being said, indeed, acting is like any other job, in that there'll be some co-workers you hit it off famously with, and others you might have a good working relationship with, but you just don't feel the need to hang out once you're done with work. And then there's some that just don't click and that's fine, too. So long as nobody's actively treating anyone else like shit on set and making it a toxic workplace, that's the most important thing. 

There are people who will attack the partners of these actors, on social media.  Either they think they should be with the other actor, as you mentioned, or with them - the fan.  
there was a guy in the walking dead, who shut down social media, when people wouldn’t stop attacking him, over something his character had done.  

[Mabinogia]

5 minutes ago, Bastet said:

That is nuts.  If anything, be more impressed they made the relationship between the characters so believable when it bore no resemblance to their own.

Seriously. Finding out that Vance and Farley didn't like each other doesn't affect how I feel about I Love Lucy but it does raise my estimation of them as actors. I never had a clue they didn't get on. Same with Lucy and Vivienne, they did their job and played BFFs perfectly. 

There are co-workers I have that I love, and we have a blast working together and hang out outside of work. I also have co-workers I don't think anything about as soon as I leave the office. I'm still professional and even cordial to them as it just makes my life easier. We have this odd expectation that actors all have to be BFFs and adore hanging out outside of work.

Sure, it's great if they're all friends, but it is fine if they aren't, so long as they are doing their job and not hostile towards one another. That is when I find it harder to watch them play nice. I am fine with working with someone you don't like, but not if that person is making your work day intolerable. 

3 minutes ago, Anela said:

There are people who will attack the partners of these actors, on social media.  Either they think they should be with the other actor, as you mentioned, or with them - the fan.  

It is scary how hard it is for some people to differentiate between fiction and reality. It is one of the reasons I don't like all these "fake" history shows that seem to be the trend. History is getting distorted enough without us actively lying about it. 

[Irlandesa]

3 hours ago, Anela said:

I enjoyed a TV show, in 2016/2017, until I found out that not only did the leads not get along, neither of them wanted to do the show in the first place. That's what put me off. 

Now I'm curious. 

3 hours ago, Anela said:

There are people who will attack the partners of these actors, on social media.  Either they think they should be with the other actor, as you mentioned, or with them - the fan.  
there was a guy in the walking dead, who shut down social media, when people wouldn’t stop attacking him, over something his character had done.  

The parasocial stuff is out-of-control.  Maybe it always was but social media makes it so visible.  There are the real people shippers even when both parts of the ship are in public relationships. But I've also seen people project their hatred of a ship or character on to the real life actors.  For instance, I'm part of fandom that swears an actor they like hates his story because they hate his story.   Even if he did, he's paid good money to sell it and sell it he is.

Edited June 30 by Irlandesa

[DearEvette]

3 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I agree there's a line between not being friends and discrimination. George Peppard told Melinda Culea that women didn't belong on the set of the A-Team.

Man, George Peppard sounds like a piece of work.  Apparently he thought so highly of himself as an actor on the A-Team that he was rather put out that Mr T. was the breakout star.  He also denigrated Mr. T's acting ability (I mean yeah the guy was no De Niro, but it is rude to dis your co-worker).

[JustHereForFood]

3 hours ago, Anela said:

There are people who will attack the partners of these actors, on social media.  Either they think they should be with the other actor, as you mentioned, or with them - the fan.  
there was a guy in the walking dead, who shut down social media, when people wouldn’t stop attacking him, over something his character had done.  

Oh yes, some people are shipping actors because they believe they have such great chemistry they must be secretly in love. Like, not as a joke or a fanfic, some people really believe that. And post nasty things about their actual partners. 

Sometimes I understand why people say the fan is short for fanatic.

[Mabinogia]

I will admit, I have written real person fanfic for people I thought had great chemistry, but only for my own amusement, never shared, never would, and I can't think of any where I actually thought anything was going on IRL, it was more, "oh, this is an interesting situation I'd like to explore". 

I may have a very vivid imagination but I do my best to separate the fact from the fiction, in public anyway ;)

 

[kathyk2]

1 hour ago, DearEvette said:

Man, George Peppard sounds like a piece of work.  Apparently he thought so highly of himself as an actor on the A-Team that he was rather put out that Mr T. was the breakout star.  He also denigrated Mr. T's acting ability (I mean yeah the guy was no De Niro, but it is rude to dis your co-worker).

He was a jerk. He was originally supposed to be Blake Carrington but he was fired. He was also mad that Mr. T made more than he did.

[Notabug]

8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

William Frawley and Vivian Vance: HATED each other, but pulled up their pants and did their jobs as Fred and Ethel Mertz. Word is Lucille and Vivian weren’t friends during the show’s run* but did in later years.

I remember an interview with Terri Hatcher where she expressed just because she  and Dean Cain worked as Lois and Clark/Superman, didn’t make them best friends.

*I Love Lucy

Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis HAAAATED one another; but their chemisry on Moonlighting was hotter than hot.  It's called acting.  I suppose they channeled their strong emotions towards each other to make the sexual tension more pronounced.

[Palimelon]

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But I've also seen people project their hatred of a ship or character on to the real life actors

Ugh, those people suck. And ruin any sort of public conversations.

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Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis HAAAATED one another; but their chemisry on Moonlighting was hotter than hot

While I don't think they hated each other, a lot of people were surprised that David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson weren't always as close with each other as their characters were. If anything, their friendship seems to have become stronger after the show ended.

Edited July 1 by Palimelon

[Haleth]

7 hours ago, Notabug said:

Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis HAAAATED one another; but their chemisry on Moonlighting was hotter than hot.

Reading this discussion all I could think of was this pair.  Their dislike for each other is legendary.

I know he was a jerk but I have a fondness for George Peppard since my dad looked just like him and was mistaken for him in public a few times.

[AgathaC]

5 hours ago, Palimelon said:

Ugh, those people suck. And ruin any sort of public conversations.

While I don't think they hated each other, a lot of people were surprised that David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson weren't always as close with each other as their characters were. If anything, their friendship seems to have become stronger after the show ended.

That seems natural. When you’re working that closely with someone for that many hours for so many years, it can be really difficult. But a little space and distance can make a huge difference. Like siblings.

I’ve heard Pierce Brosnan and Stephanie Zimbalist weren’t exactly besties on Remington Steele and still aren’t pals. Sounds like they got along fine and respected each other — they just didn’t have much in common.

Actors don’t have to be buddies like the Friends cast. As long as it’s not a hostile work environment. But on some shows, like Moonlighting, I felt the negative feelings bled through onto the screen (and script) and that can hamper my enjoyment. Over the years, it can become harder to hide. I know there were other factors at play on Moonlighting, but that was a part of it for me.

[annzeepark914]

14 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

Oh yes, some people are shipping actors because they believe they have such great chemistry they must be secretly in love. Like, not as a joke or a fanfic, some people really believe that. And post nasty things about their actual partners. 

Sometimes I understand why people say the fan is short for fanatic.

This sounds like the crazy fans of former ice dance competitors, Virtue & Moir. They created wild stories about how they were secretly married and had children. 100% fanatics. 

 

[Palimelon]

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Sounds like they got along fine and respected each other — they just didn’t have much in common.

Yeah, and for some people whenever they find out actors who worked together weren't good friends in real life, they seem to take that as they were actually enemies with a lifelong blood feud, which no. Yes, it happens sometimes. But sometimes you also have some actors who just relate to each other as co-workers and nothing more, and there is nothing wrong with that.

IMO, ship characters if you must, but leave actors out of it.

[sistermagpie]

I always consider it more of a pleasant surprise when it turns out actors who were in something together remained lifelong friends. But that's because it's just nice that people have these kinds of friendships and I don't expect it just based on their playing friends/lovers in something.

In fact, I always remember one time I was working at a tribute to an actor and I realized I was expecting his best friend from a movie to be there to honor him. Then I laughed at myself for thinking them being friends in the movie meant they were friends irl. But then at the end who should come running in but the other guy who was doing a play so couldn't be there for the main part of the ceremony. Turns out they actuall are bffs!

[proserpina65]

21 hours ago, DearEvette said:

I very much agree as long and "not friends" is all it is and the working atmosphere remain healthy.  You can be cordial and professional without being BFFs.

The danger comes in when the "not friends" is actually closer to a "dislike" and especially if one person has a higher power profile than the other.  That is when the workplace has the opportunity to slide over from strictly professional to hostile for the person with the lower power profile (or even the entire set in general).  They can find themselves the recipient of behaviors that don't rise to abusive or criminal but can still be uncomfortable and can affect their work and health.  And it can bleed onto the screen if the animosity is bad enough and actually affect the show.

Even "dislike" is fine as long as someone does not let that feeling affect how they treat others on the set.  I have had coworkers whom I disliked but when we were working, I made every effort to get along and when we weren't working, I went about my own life and they did the same.

20 hours ago, Anela said:

there was a guy in the walking dead, who shut down social media, when people wouldn’t stop attacking him, over something his character had done.  

That's currently happening to Fabien Frankel on House of the Dragon.  He left Twitter over trolls who couldn't separate his character from him as an actor and person, and he's now had to make his Instagram private for the same reason.

[proserpina65]

2 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

This sounds like the crazy fans of former ice dance competitors, Virtue & Moir. They created wild stories about how they were secretly married and had children. 100% fanatics. 

 

I wanted to use the "mind blown" emoji because it's so insane, but unfortunately I already knew about this.

[andromeda331]

I'm impressed by actors and actresses who hate each other but have to play love interests and do a good job. That can't be easy. Most people don't have to make out the co-worker they hate.  

 

 

On 6/30/2024 at 6:18 PM, JustHereForFood said:

Oh yes, some people are shipping actors because they believe they have such great chemistry they must be secretly in love. Like, not as a joke or a fanfic, some people really believe that. And post nasty things about their actual partners. 

Sometimes I understand why people say the fan is short for fanatic.

Yes and those people are insane. 

[Dimity]

In the not the same, but sorta, field the above discussion reminds me of people like Robbie Rist, who played Oliver in the last season of the Brady Bunch.  And has never really lived it down.  I read an interview him once where he basically said "imagine having your whole life defined by what was, essentially, a summer job."  The negative attention he received back then was probably nothing compared to what would have happened if social media and online fan groups etc had been a thing back in the '70s.

Edited July 4 by Dimity

[Mabinogia]

52 minutes ago, Dimity said:

In the not the same, but sorta, field the above discussion reminds me of people like Robbie Rist, who played Oliver in the last season of the Brady Bunch.  And has never really lived it down.  I read an interview him once where he basically said "imagine having your whole life defined by what was, essentially, a summer job."  The negative attention he received back then was probably nothing compared to what would have happened if social media and online fan groups etc had been a thing back in the '70s.

I can understand people not liking the character of Oliver, he was kind of annoying, but the fact that people took it out on the actor is just, I mean, I can't imagine being hated by strangers because of a short job I had as a child. What the fuck is wrong with people?

The fact that there are enough people out there who believe fiction is real explains a lot about the state of society. 

[kathyk2]

1 hour ago, Mabinogia said:

I can understand people not liking the character of Oliver, he was kind of annoying, but the fact that people took it out on the actor is just, I mean, I can't imagine being hated by strangers because of a short job I had as a child. What the fuck is wrong with people?

The fact that there are enough people out there who believe fiction is real explains a lot about the state of society. 

The Commercial forum is filled with people complaining about the way kids act. I've never understood why since kids are taught to obey adults as soon as they are old enough to understand. They are only following a script.

[BlueSkies]

Scott Baio was a pretty good actor on Charles in Charge and made the show real good.

 

But accusations among other things today with the actors/actresses on the show makes it real hard for me to enjoy for nostalgic purposes.  

[Annber03]

3 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

The Commercial forum is filled with people complaining about the way kids act. I've never understood why since kids are taught to obey adults as soon as they are old enough to understand. They are only following a script.

I always like it when people complain about kids being loud and messy and things of that sort, or when they complain about teenagers being snarky and dismissive. So you're shocked that they're acting like...typical kids and teenagers? 

[SVNBob]

16 hours ago, Dimity said:

In the not the same, but sorta, field the above discussion reminds me of people like Robbie Rist, who played Oliver in the last season of the Brady Bunch.  And has never really lived it down.  I read an interview him once where he basically said "imagine having your whole life defined by what was, essentially, a summer job."  The negative attention he received back then was probably nothing compared to what would have happened if social media and online fan groups etc had been a thing back in the '70s.

 

15 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

I can understand people not liking the character of Oliver, he was kind of annoying, but the fact that people took it out on the actor is just, I mean, I can't imagine being hated by strangers because of a short job I had as a child.

I would imagine that most of his detractors have never seen his next TV gig, the NBC Saturday morning cult classic, Kidd Video.  Notable for having the live-action actors also voice their animated counterparts...and perform as the band.

[sistermagpie]

19 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I always like it when people complain about kids being loud and messy and things of that sort, or when they complain about teenagers being snarky and dismissive. So you're shocked that they're acting like...typical kids and teenagers? 

I always find it funny when people watch older shows and claim that they were teenagers at that time and teenagers at that time would just never be as rude or sassy as the ones one the show--even when they're talking about 1968, when the generation gap was particularly notable. 

It makes me wonder when people think teenagers suddenly became snarky, because I never feel like I was so much more polite than these kids on TV, particularly. I think people might be shocked to see what they were actually like at that age!

[Ohiopirate02]

19 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

I always find it funny when people watch older shows and claim that they were teenagers at that time and teenagers at that time would just never be as rude or sassy as the ones one the show--even when they're talking about 1968, when the generation gap was particularly notable. 

It makes me wonder when people think teenagers suddenly became snarky, because I never feel like I was so much more polite than these kids on TV, particularly. I think people might be shocked to see what they were actually like at that age!

Or if they were well-behaved teens who would never dare to talk back to their parents, it was because they knew their parents would literally knock that sass right out of them. 

[Shrek]

34 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Or if they were well-behaved teens who would never dare to talk back to their parents, it was because they knew their parents would literally knock that sass right out of them. 

I resemble that remark. 

Not that it ever stopped me from being a pain in my parents asses.

Edited July 5 by Shrek

[Anela]

42 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Or if they were well-behaved teens who would never dare to talk back to their parents, it was because they knew their parents would literally knock that sass right out of them. 

This could be my mother, but she was also sassy. When she was late coming back from a date, my grandma demanded to know what she’d been doing, and she came out with things she knew mum wouldn’t really do. So, grandma was laughing by the end of it.  
 

I wasn’t a rude teenager, but I would speak up when I reached my limit. I also yelled back at a teacher who yelled at me out of nowhere.  I don’t like arguing, so I was crying and yelling back. She apologized in the bathroom, after sending me there to clean myself up. I was 10/11. 

Edited July 5 by Anela

[Annber03]

8 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

I always find it funny when people watch older shows and claim that they were teenagers at that time and teenagers at that time would just never be as rude or sassy as the ones one the show--even when they're talking about 1968, when the generation gap was particularly notable. 

It makes me wonder when people think teenagers suddenly became snarky, because I never feel like I was so much more polite than these kids on TV, particularly. I think people might be shocked to see what they were actually like at that age!

Seriously, I was a pretty tame and non-rebellious teenager, and even I remember having fights with my parents and saying things during said fights that I cringe thinking back on as an adult.

But yeah, I think one would be very hard pressed to find a kid who's never had a bratty/temper tantrum moment, or a teenager who didn't go through a smartass/"I know more than these stupid adults" stage. 

[proserpina65]

On 7/5/2024 at 8:37 PM, Annber03 said:

Seriously, I was a pretty tame and non-rebellious teenager, and even I remember having fights with my parents and saying things during said fights that I cringe thinking back on as an adult.

But yeah, I think one would be very hard pressed to find a kid who's never had a bratty/temper tantrum moment, or a teenager who didn't go through a smartass/"I know more than these stupid adults" stage. 

For me, the difference is that when I had these moments, there were consequences whereas on tv there often aren't any.

[bluegirl147]

32 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

For me, the difference is that when I had these moments, there were consequences whereas on tv there often aren't any.

When I'm watching a show that is older when I see a kid being grounded it kinda takes me out for a second because I think do kids still get grounded? 

[Dimity]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

When I'm watching a show that is older when I see a kid being grounded it kinda takes me out for a second because I think do kids still get grounded?

My mother never grounded me because, among other reasons, I wouldn't have cared.  Now if she'd taken away all my books that would have been a real consequence! 

And that's the same with "kids today" - grounding them is absolutely pointless unless you also take away their access to social media, their switches etc. 

 I notice very little acknowledgement of this on mainstream TV.  The shows I watch that have kids still seem to have those kids living a lifestyle that is maybe, maybe, reminiscent of late 20th century reality.  Definitely not the reality of post Covid 2024.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Now if she'd taken away all my books that would have been a real consequence! 

When my son was a teenager he had done something wrong and previous punishments had never really had any effect on him so I made him read a book. The Outsiders.  He ended up loving the book (don't we all?) and last year his 11 year old daughter read the book.  Her and I would talk about the chapters she had read the night before on her way to school. 

5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I notice very little acknowledgement of this on mainstream TV.  The shows I watch that have kids still seem to have those kids living a lifestyle that is maybe, maybe, reminiscent of late 20th century reality.

It's true.  I watch the Connors and their depiction of someone wanting to go to college is just a mess.  I look back at BH 90210 and it was a pretty accurate albeit moneyed portrayal of teens during the 90s.  Losing their virginity on prom night?  The sexism of the son being patted on the back for  having sex while the daughter was chastised? Nerdy kids trying to be cool?  All of that was realistic.  

[proserpina65]

Okay, so this is a really unpopular House of the Dragon opinion: I don't hate Criston Cole.  I don't particularly like him, but I don't believe he's the worst character on the show either.  That would be Daemon.

[Gharlane]

On 6/10/2024 at 12:07 PM, sistermagpie said:

Nitpick, but I'd say we were supposed to side with Edith more than Meathead. 

That never occurred to me, but to be honest, I don't remember Edith Bunk ever expressing an opinion.

 

On 6/30/2024 at 3:49 PM, Blergh said:

Good point! On The Lucy Show , after Vivian Vance quit being Lucy's costar in 1965, they attempted to bring in Joan Blondell to play Lucy's new sidekick/bestie. The good news is that onscreen, Miss Blondell's character got along great and had excellent chemistry with Lucy's character. The bad news is that offscreen, the two performers couldn't stand each other- at all! Things came to a head after a few episodes when Miss Blondell responded to Lucy's criticism of the performance she had just given with '[BLANK] you, Lucille Ball!'  in front of the entire crew and studio audience then immediately walking off never to return!

I recently watched a YouTube video about Liz Taylor and Richard Burton being on her show and hating it, but the show episode apparently was well-liked.

[Shannon L.]

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

My mother never grounded me because, among other reasons, I wouldn't have cared.  Now if she'd taken away all my books that would have been a real consequence! 

That was exactly the issue with me.  I had friends, but I was such an introvert who enjoyed reading, television, and listening to music, that on the rare occasions that I was punished (I was good kid), she actually wondered if it did any good because I didn't seem to care.  In reality, she should have taken away all three things.  If it was really bad and required more than that, she should have made me go play outside.  I was very much an indoor person.  I still am. 

[Bastet]

Since it won a bunch of awards and the only complaining about that I saw here was that it was in the wrong category, not that it wasn't an excellent show, this is apparently quite the UO:  I find The Bear unwatchable.  I tried for 3-1/2 episodes last night and bailed.  I dislike (and in the case of Richie, outright despise) all the characters except Sydney, but she says "like" and/or "uh" in practically every sentence she utters, so I can't enjoy her.

[Crashcourse]

I got through the first season of The Bear, mainly because I wanted to see what was so "funny" about it.  I couldn't stand the shouting, and that kitchen didn't even look sanitary with all the hair flying, and probably spit flying when shouting at each other.