S05.E13: Party Down

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I think Farrah & Deb secretly loved getting thrown out of that party. They looked downright pleased with themselves once they got in the car after being thrown out. They knew it was going to get them attention and they're addicted to attention of any kind. You know the saying "There's no such thing as bad publicity"? That has got to be Farrah's mantra.

And Farrah, if you want to play the "But Pairs & Kim K had sex tapes!" card, perhaps you should have made a porno that actually looks like it could be a personal sex tape: no professional lighting, no camera crew, and not having the most famous modern porn actor as your costar. Paris and Kim K also did not sell molds of their bodies or run webcam sites after the tapes came out. So please, tell me again about how you "overcame" the adult entertainment industry. No one cares that you're a porn star. They care that you deny it while profiting from it and that you're an awful human who cannot seem to interact with anyone on a normal level. No one cares that you are on TM. Again, they care that you're a mean asshole.

Edited January 13, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[mittsigirl]

I'm about 20 minutes in and am already pissed off. I don't like any of these people, they are all horrible in their own ways and I honestly question my sanity when I watch this every week. Why do I watch when all it does is piss me off and make me yell at my TV?!

I do not in any way, shape or form feel bad for Farrah and never will. The other girls don't shun her for no reason, she's a despicable, horrible, disrespectful, delusional fucking bitch and I wouldn't want anything to do with her either. If she was a normal human being, I don't think the other girls would shun her at all, but Farrah is a lot of things and normal is not one of them. You can't treat people like they're shit on your shoes then expect them to want to giggle on the same couch with you or go out with you. She's lucky all they do is shun her and that they don't kick her ass.

Hearing her speech about how they didn't want her at the party because the other girls on the show don't conduct themselves as well as she does seriously made me ckoke on my Dr. Pepper. I've never seen a more delusional person in my life.

I choked again when Debra said Farrah has changed the world with her work on the show.

Again..why the hell do I watch this shit.

 It makes me sad seeing that the majority of Cate's friends are so big. They're too damn young to be so big. It's extra sad to see that most of them smoke too.

I love that you drink Dr. Pepper like me!

We watch so we have a way to blow off some stress in our own lives, because we sure are nothing like Farrah, and that is a good thing! I sure feel better about my own daughters, who are nothing like Farrah, even on their worst day! I was slapped, kicked and hit with a steal-belted belt,

and could have ended up being a shitty human being, and a mom who hits her kids, because of the way I had it at home. But I didn't, so have very little feelings if Farrah had it rough. Lots of us here had it rough, and we sure aren't like Farrah. You have a choice in the way you treat people, and she just does not get that. I think that Debra may be scared shitless of Farrah, I sure would be! She has no respect for anybody, not even for herself. Or Sophia!

So we tune in every dam week, and snark like crazy, sometimes it is just what we need, this snarking stuff!

[Cosmocrush]

The best part of tonight: the face of the guy driving the car after Farrah got kicked out. Trying to shard to not react.

Haha, that was good.   But my favorite part was Kim (Tyler's mom) and April laughing, even high-fiving, while agreeing that "Damn, Butch was fun!" [back in the day].  

 

Oh and Butch's awesome hair.   He cleaned up pretty good, but needs to lose the hair dye.   I don't think we've ever seen him in anything but a white undershirt or prison uniform.  

Edited January 13, 2016 by Cosmocrush

[Cosmocrush]

Farrah's babbling sounded to me like an amalgamation of Drunk Girl You Met at a Party and Sarah Palin...complete and utter nonsense said with complete certainty.

Same here.  When did Farrah start talking like that?  Seems like I would have noticed it before but it  I think she just started doing it this year.  No one else in her family talks like English is their second language either.  Sample: 

 

“It’s because I’m a part of the Teen Mom cast. I cannot help that my association with a show that has many other people, who do not connect themselves the same way as I, are part of something that I’m a part of,” she added.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Cosmocrush

[mittsigirl]

I remember someone saying that Tyler has not seen a naked woman besides Catelynn, so I wanted to watch his reaction at the strippers. His eyes were like the pinwheel eyes they used to use for cartoon characters on t.v., back in the day. Poor guy, could not get his eyes off of the girls, skinny girls. So now he has seen them, I worry that he will not be satisfied with Catelynn now, since she is pretty overweight. Will knowing what he is missing, cause him to cheat in the future? And now that Catelynn has seen the skinny strippers, will she have even less self-esteem than ever? Guys can be really cruel. The only time mine has told me that he loves my body, in 35 years, was when I came back from spending 4 months in the hospital, still half paralysed, so underweight that I had symptoms of anerexia. He could not wait for me to get any better, so it was just 1 week that we were intimate. That was the only time in all of these years, and it ruined any self-esteem I had. Of course I had to gain weight to get healthy again, then 5 years later when my daughter died, I ate my emotions, and of course put on more pounds. So I wonder what will happen to Tyler & Catelynn, knowing what happened to me. Then again I am not married to the kindest man in the world. But I still wonder what will happen to them.

[ava111]

LMAO!  Crashing a party and getting kicked out 4 minutes later, all while wearing an ugly pink hat, is so classy!  It was a Housewives party?!  Farrah is such gutter trash that even the Real Housewives don't want her.  That is sad.

 

I had a good laugh when Farrah was trying to blame her association with Teen Mom as being the reason she was uninvited and then clueless Debra refused to play along.  The more she tried to turn the conversation away from her porn tape, the more Debra and the producer kept talking about it.  That was amazing.  Yeah, Farrah, Teen Mom is the reason everyone thinks you're a dirty ho.  Sure.  LOL.

 

Butch asking the stripper for oral sex was kind of hilarious.

Not that the Housewives don't want her there, they don't even know who she is!!! That must stink even more! Lisa Vanderpump (the party was thrown in her honor) was tonight on Watch what happens and some viewer phoned in and asked what she thought about Farrah crashing the party and Lisa said she doesn't know her and wouldn't know who she is if she sat on her! Farrah must be livid, wouldn't be surprised if she got into Twitter war with Lisa now and maybe she can post video of Sophia saying what a looser Lisa is. Then Brandi Glanville could get in touch with Farrah and they can go together to war against Lisa! That would be amazing LOL

Also loved how conveniently Amber dropped Leah at her grandmother because she haven't seen her for a while but didn't stay there with her, didn't even walked her into the house and all that right after she complained that she only gets to spend 3 hours with her. Also she said she was out of jail for 3 years while in fact she was released on parole November 4th 2013 so when this part of season was taped August-September last year she wasn't even out for 2 years.

[leighroda]

I do not buy that Tyler has never seen a naked girl other than Catelynn. I guess they could have meant in real life, I guess that might be true, but I don't buy for one second that he hasn't looked at porn whether by Internet or magazine... In fact I'm willing to bet money he has seen Farrah's porn.

I wonder if the fact that MTV and Bravo are competing networks had any bearing on the whole white party thing... I'm sure the porn or being on teen mom likely didn't help, but I can see that potentially there was an issue that bravo didn't want MTV filming, and God forbid Farrah be denied her own entourage. But I have a question, I saw the episode but was multitasking so this may have been explained, but wasn't Farrah going to be the guest of someone else who was invited to the party? Then uninvited by the same person? Emily Post must be rolling in her grave that not only was Farrah explicitly uninvited but went to the party anyway, but then she brought her mom and a camera crew.

I love that you drink Dr. Pepper like me!

We watch so we have a way to blow off some stress in our own lives, because we sure are nothing like Farrah, and that is a good thing! I sure feel better about my own daughters, who are nothing like Farrah, even on their worst day! I was slapped, kicked and hit with a steal-belted belt,

and could have ended up being a shitty human being, and a mom who hits her kids, because of the way I had it at home. But I didn't, so have very little feelings if Farrah had it rough. Lots of us here had it rough, and we sure aren't like Farrah. You have a choice in the way you treat people, and she just does not get that. I think that Debra may be scared shitless of Farrah, I sure would be! She has no respect for anybody, not even for herself. Or Sophia!

So we tune in every dam week, and snark like crazy, sometimes it is just what we need, this snarking stuff!

I am also an avid dr. Pepper drinker :) it is basically the biggest show of affection I am capable of if I tell someone "I love you more than dr.pepper". This is so off topic, but does anyone else have this issue... I'm from Texas where dr. Pepper flows freely, but I currently live in Florida where it is not quite so common... I absolutely hate when I go to a resturaunt and ask for Dr Pepper, and they say "no, we don't have Dr Pepper... But we do have root beer" they are NOT the same!!!!

[Tatum]

Aw, thanks Maharincess- I think women in general tend to be very hard on themselves and put a lot of pressure on themselves and I am no exception. Clearly Amber is. The amount of gold stars she gives herself in regard to motherhood is ridiculous and makes me mad.

 

Even if she was completely right that having equal custody was what was best for Leah and that Gary was disagreeable just to hurt Amber (which I think is wrong on both accounts- Amber is not ready for 50% and I think Gary sees that and for all his faults, doesn't want Leah hurt or neglected or in danger), the way she goes about it is such bullshit. If I had lost custody of my kids, you can bet I'd be kissing the ass of whoever had custody and deferring to their every whim. Sure, I'd have to swallow a lot of pride and I might feel humiliated, but if it gave me access to my kids I would do it in a heartbeat. Yet Amber thinks she should get custody back because she "deserves" it- not based on what Leah deserves, and if calling Gary a hairy fat-ass and telling him to eat shit when he reminds her of Leah's schedule means she's relegated back to minimum visitation- well so what, Gary deserved what he got.

[kira28]

 

I am also thinking it has to do with Amber not having control over the matter. She wants Leah when she wants her. She doesn't want Gary or anyone else telling her when she can have her daughter.

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I think you  hit the nail on the head.  I don't think Amber likes being told what to do. While I do agree  with others that Gary likes having this power over Amber, I also think he does it for Leah's sake. Children need structure and bed times and all of that and if Amber were to call the shots, she would just let Leah stay up (like Leah on TM2 does) all hours of the night, Leah would probably miss school because Amber would sleep in, Leah would be tired and cranky (I think this already happened that when Amber had her during the week Leah was falling asleep at school). Amber has no structure or set schedules in her own life so I doubt she could provide that for Leah.

 

My ex is a lot like Amber. He basically abandoned our kids. I always had an open door anytime he wanted to see them, I rearranged my own schedule so they could spend time with their dad. He very rarely wanted to see them even though I tried to encourage this. Now he wants 50/50 custody and so far has only been granted every other weekend visitation. He had them for two nights and suddenly he thinks he's father of the year. He said his home is a better place for them that they get a bath every night and his girlfriend cooks home cooked meals. That our daughter quickly caught on to a computer game he has and that she slept very well there. He said he feels my care of them is substandard and that they seem to thrive at his house. He thinks he's an amazing dad because he was able (with the help of his girlfriend ) to take care of his own kids for two days!!! I've done it all by myself ( no help at all as my parents don't live close, everyone else I know works) since our son was born. Of course our kids get a bath, get home cooked meals and everything else in my home. And I work 40 hours a week and take care of them. But he wants a pat on the back for sitting back and  watch his girlfriend take care of our kids for two days and thinks he's super dad. So I get Gary's irritation. My ex does NOT want to be told when he can see the kids. Which is funny that he's seeking assistance from the court because the court tells you EXACTLY when you can see your kids. He would rather call me up with a few hours notice and tell me he's taking them somewhere (and disrupt their routine) rather than do what is best for the kids and see them on a regular schedule.

Amber needs to step up and act like a parent if she wants to see Leah more. Its very telling when a child doesn't want to go spend time with the "fun" parent. Amber doesn't really see Leah that often so its very telling that Leah doesn't enjoy going to her house. I totally believe Leah when she says Amber sleeps all day and doesn't do anything with her.

[suzeecat]

The after-show - How much you all wanna bet it was Farrah who wanted to sit by herself and have a "throne" to call her own? At first I thought what a nice little bunch of mean girls with their clique as they sit together. But, I thought how Farrah might feel and I imagine she told the producers she didn't want to share a damn couch with the other three because she is above them all.

 

I watched last night and was coming here to say exactly this.  Farrah wanted her own chair to separate herself from the others as I'm sure she feels superior to them.  She even had a special pink pillow to enhance her posture so that she could look tall and poised next to the three slumped on the couch.  And, if the three went out on the town the night before, if Farrah was invited she would have declined to disassociate herself as much as possible. 

 

The proposal is clearly Maci and Taylor's "story line" this season.  No doubt they plan to have the wedding be their story line next season.  Season after that will be the "trouble in paradise" story line.  Eeesh, I watch too much reality television!

[qtpye]

I remember someone saying that Tyler has not seen a naked woman besides Catelynn, so I wanted to watch his reaction at the strippers. His eyes were like the pinwheel eyes they used to use for cartoon characters on t.v., back in the day. Poor guy, could not get his eyes off of the girls, skinny girls. So now he has seen them, I worry that he will not be satisfied with Catelynn now, since she is pretty overweight. Will knowing what he is missing, cause him to cheat in the future? And now that Catelynn has seen the skinny strippers, will she have even less self-esteem than ever? Guys can be really cruel. The only time mine has told me that he loves my body, in 35 years, was when I came back from spending 4 months in the hospital, still half paralysed, so underweight that I had symptoms of anerexia. He could not wait for me to get any better, so it was just 1 week that we were intimate. That was the only time in all of these years, and it ruined any self-esteem I had. Of course I had to gain weight to get healthy again, then 5 years later when my daughter died, I ate my emotions, and of course put on more pounds. So I wonder what will happen to Tyler & Catelynn, knowing what happened to me. Then again I am not married to the kindest man in the world. But I still wonder what will happen to them.

 

 

I am so sorry for your loss and I am sure you are a beautiful person.

 

My husband actually likes me with some meat on my bones.  I was very skinny when we got married (sort of like Maci) and he loved the weight I gained after I had my two children.  I have lost some of that weight, but am not near as thin a I used to be, but I am happy to be healthy.

 

I think Tyler is not put off by Cate's body,  I think he is just over her as a person and even if she dropped a ton of weight, that would not change.  He understands that they are the high school sweat hearts of Teen Mom and breaking up with her will cost him money and fame.  So, he will stay married to her, even if his heart is not really into it.

[Rebecca]

I think Tyler does have issues with Caitlyn's weight...in the last episode when Butch was talking about getting with a larger woman, I think Butch said something about 200lbs, Tyler had a disgusted look on his face. I couldn't help but think that Caitlyn probably weighs close to that so what was with the disgusted look? I think he would definitely prefer her to lose weight, I remember his comments last season about dieting, etc. I also think he's over their relationship in general, in addition to not being comfortable with her size.

I don't have or want kids but in my experience no actual good mom goes around saying she's an awesome mom. I think all good moms think they can improve, that's what makes them good moms - they're always striving for more. The only moms I've heard declare themselves wonderful moms are the ones who are clearly not. Must be a defense mechanism to save their own egos.

Farrah is insane.

I get the feeling Tyler's sister has been a stripper before. Also, girl is rrrrooooouuuuggghhh looking.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Rebecca

[gunderda]

I knew Farrah was delusional... but this episode just made it SUPER obvious.  Being on Teen Mom is not controversial..... your porn career is!

I can't believe she got upset with people even suggesting it might be the porn tape. (well maybe I can)

 

But she thinks the rest of the teen mom cast are a hot mess and she's just being lumped in with them??? OMGGGGGGG delusion city!

The other Teen Moms probably would have had no problem getting into that party!

 

And then she sits there and bashes the entire franchise which is what MADE her. Why did she come back if she thinks being on a show with Amber, Cait and Maci is bad for her image??

[SPLAIN]

To answer the question about Matt supposedly tweeting with Jenelle, this is what I found. Matt didn't tweet Jenelle, but he did tweet some negative comments about the other TM girls. http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.com/2014/12/29/jenelle-evans-trashes-amber-portwoods-boyfriend/

 

Earlier this year, Matt referred to the ladies of Teen Mom as “America’s worst moms.” He also targeted specific cast members with nasty tweets, including one that referred to Kailyn Lowry’s face as “the worst thing that ever happened to high definition.” Ouch!

Jenelle, who was the recipient of several of Matt’s insults, recently spoke out about Amber’s mean-spirited boyfriend on Twitter. “To date a man as pathetic as that is sad. I’m sure the relationship won’t last the way he acts.” The reality star insisted that she would never date a man so dedicated to trashing the other members of her “Teen Mom family.”

Amber did not reply to Jenelle’s tweet, but based on her recent social media activity, she’s super annoyed about the continued boyfriend gossip. The other day, she complained, “I’m in absolutely no mood for this. My father just passed.”

 

 

Matt is definitely not one to talk about how anyone's face looks on HD. Although I have to admit, I find it funny. I only wish someone else had posted that comment.  Looking at Matt's face on my large screen is a scary thing. He always seems to have his mouth open all the time and he looks like he smells. 

 

Is that the sister Tyler bought the fake boobs for her birthday a few years ago? 

 

 

I think Tyler does have issues with Caitlyn's weight.

He sure does. Last season he did his best to try to get Cate to the gym and to do some walking. He sat there with her and some family members at the dining room table and tried to get her to change her eating habits. What I didn't hear him say was how he would also be supportive and do what was necessary to change his diet so they could be healthy. He truly expects to eat pizza while Cate sits there and watches him as she scarfs down a mountain of salad drenched in Ranch dressing. Cate is no innocent either as she didn't care about being diabetic as she continued to mountains of salt and eating junk food. 

 

I am with those about Gary feeling irritated with Amber. I am irritated with her! I can't imagine leaving any child in her care. These girls think having babies suddenly makes them a mother. They don't realize there is more to being a mother than passing a child between their loins. Tatum, I remember leaving my kids after my maternity leave and having the blues real bad. I couldn't wait to get home and be with my children. You make excellent points about those feelings and they are rational and normal feelings. 

 

I haven't seen any sort of enthusiasm on Amber's  part that shows she is serious about wanting custody of Leah. I think a part of it has to do with child support. I also think a part of it has to do with trying to stick it to Gary. All she has right now is her snide and rude remarks about Gary's wife and how she could do a better job. Well, guess what Amber? Gary's wife is doing a better job than you. It is your home that Leah doesn't want to visit and it is Gary's wife that tends to Leah and ensures she is safe, clean, fed, and secure every single day. 

[gunderda]

Am I the only one who heard Taylor say that he was waiting to propose to Maci at the end of the "season" so as to ensure "another season" of filming? He then chuckled (he was with his friends) and said he was a smart businessman. This is the same guy that said at last season's reunion that he would buy Maci a ring when he got his "next MTV check." Believe me - I get that this is how reality tv castmembers think (and live their life), but it's weird how the producers show how much the behind-the-scenes stuff influences their lives and decisions.

I laughed when Taylor said that.  He's learned in a short time how to work the system lol  Good for him I say!

So obviously a proposal is coming, he pretty much stated it during that scene. Well maybe not coming but he does want to marry her.

 

I get what you mean, and I mostly agree with you, but I cringe a lot when I see the producers with their "subjects." They treat them more as "talent" (which of course they are) than as documentary subjects, and therefore coddle them and enable their immature or diva behavior. Farrah and her delusions, Amber's constant bashing of Gary, etc. - sometimes joining in. And Dr. Drew, who, by training is an addiction specialist, castigating Gary for wanting Amber to be drug-free for a period of time before getting custody back, while treating Amber like she's a friggin' hero. I get that it's a tough balancing act for the producers, but I think they can do better.

I hate that they always seem to agree with whatever one of the girls is saying.  Like if Amber is bashing Gary, they will agree with her.  I think that's fucked up.  They should not show any indication of what side they are on.

 

 

 

Oh and Butch's awesome hair.   He cleaned up pretty good, but needs to lose the hair dye.   I don't think we've ever seen him in anything but a white undershirt or prison uniform.  

I was sad he dyed it also :(  He would have looked way better with the salt and pepper hair.

 

Also loved how conveniently Amber dropped Leah at her grandmother because she haven't seen her for a while but didn't stay there with her, didn't even walked her into the house and all that right after she complained that she only gets to spend 3 hours with her. Also she said she was out of jail for 3 years while in fact she was released on parole November 4th 2013 so when this part of season was taped August-September last year she wasn't even out for 2 years.

I don't think they showed them going to the grandma's house.  I think the scene you're talking about is when they dropped Leah back off at Gary's house. 

And it's probably best for Amber to not go up to Gary's house when dropping Leah off, they just get in arguments when they're remotely close to each other, evidence by when Amber picked her up.

[qtpye]

What do any of these girls have planned for their lives once the MTV paychecks stop coming?  And they will, sooner or later.  While their peers are out getting degrees and work experience, they (well, 3 out of 4) are sitting around, literally doing nothing while cameras film them.  When it's over, they will have very little to show for it, maybe some savings that they'll blow through.

 

 

Admission, I have watched all these girls, starting from their 16 and P episodes.  I fast forwarded through everything except Ryan playing with Bentley.  I was so fascinated with Ryan acting like a father and not yawning or looking stoned (plus Bentley is cute).

 

I do not think this cast should get another season.  There is nothing compelling about any of their live and I am disappointed that not of them used the money and fame to better themselves.

 

Maci is on baby daddy number two and this is the third time she is pressuring a non interested guy into marrying her.

 

Amber pretends to want Leah.  She has no interest in child care (getting up at 10:30...my kids get up at 6:00 am on school days and 8:00 a.m.at the latest on weekends).  I bet you Leah wakes up and Amber tells her to stop bothering mommy and get her breakfast from weirdo Matt.  The only reason she has not given Gary full custody is that Leah is her meal ticket.

 

Cate is married and has a baby,  Tyler married her only for show purposes and they have done none of the things they promised on their original episodes.  Tyler is harassing the adoptive parents of his child, because Carly is HIS meal ticket.

 

Farrah wants to be seen as classy, but might be one of the most horrible people I have ever come across.  The fame and money has turned her into a monster.  I know a lot of people respect her hustle, but you can not make money of porn and then claim you are not in porn.  Life does not work that way.

Edited January 14, 2016 by qtpye

[chuckity]

Hands down, best part of the episode was when the stripper was trash talking Farrah to Caitlyn.

[missy jo]

I watch the Real Housewives, and there's no way they were asked or consulted, ie "Farrah Abraham is here. What would you like to do?" Levels, Farrah, levels. It was surely an event coordinator, period.

The funny thing is that the hotel doubles as a night club catering to Farrahs younger age demographic. They are the ones who might know who she is, and not want a z-lister at that particular party.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

To answer the question about Matt supposedly tweeting with Jenelle, this is what I found. Matt didn't tweet Jenelle, but he did tweet some negative comments about the other TM girls. http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.com/2014/12/29/jenelle-evans-trashes-amber-portwoods-boyfriend/

 

Earlier this year, Matt referred to the ladies of Teen Mom as “America’s worst moms.” He also targeted specific cast members with nasty tweets, including one that referred to Kailyn Lowry’s face as “the worst thing that ever happened to high definition.” Ouch!

Jenelle, who was the recipient of several of Matt’s insults, recently spoke out about Amber’s mean-spirited boyfriend on Twitter. “To date a man as pathetic as that is sad. I’m sure the relationship won’t last the way he acts.” The reality star insisted that she would never date a man so dedicated to trashing the other members of her “Teen Mom family.”

Amber did not reply to Jenelle’s tweet, but based on her recent social media activity, she’s super annoyed about the continued boyfriend gossip. The other day, she complained, “I’m in absolutely no mood for this. My father just passed.”

 

 

 

Matt 100% hit on Janelle among other teen mom girls. He was creepy as shit and Amber was the only one to fall for it. 

 

http://imgur.com/2PVEE5v

[qtpye]

Good lord...those tweets make it seem like he is obsessed with Janelle.  The creep factor is off the charts with this one.  I do not think he should be left unsupervised with Leah.

[Tatum]

OMG...given Jenelle's standards for a boyfriend are as close to non existent as possible, what did this guy have to do to earn himself such a hard pass? The only thing I can think of is he's too fat. I'd throw in ugly, but Jenelle's been there, done that. Most of the guys in Jenelle's little black book are pretty skinny though, except for Nathan. Hmm.

[SlothLoveChunk]

There are some weeks when I take my 2 year old to the park and have the best time in the world.  We sing songs, learn to count, and identify colors.  I run with her, go down slides with her, push her on the swing, and am as fully engaged as a mother can be.  There are other times when I bring her to the park and think "The swing AGAIN??  Dear lord, please let there be other kids there she wants to play with so I don't have to interact with her".

 

The difference between me and Amber is that I work full time and have my daughter 7 days a week.  I have to worry about cooking dinner, limiting screen time, laundry, bathing, tantrums...it all adds up to not wanting to engage sometimes. If I had her a whooping one afternoon a week and every other weekend I'd be so PRESENT during that time.  Amber can barely feign interest in her daughter for more than 60 minutes at a time.  It's so sad.  And Matt is sosososo creepy.  I can't believe that Amber's self esteem is so low that she considers him a catch.  Although she DID date Gary for years, so maybe I can believe it.

[WhitneyWhit]

His Twitter name is giant idiot? At least he has some self awareness, I guess.

[ghoulina]

Farrah's babbling sounded to me like an amalgamation of Drunk Girl You Met at a Party and Sarah Palin.

 

This is nothing short of perfection. 

[ghoulina]

I think Farrah & Deb secretly loved getting thrown out of that party. They looked downright pleased with themselves once they got in the car after being thrown out. They knew it was going to get them attention and they're addicted to attention of any kind. You know the saying "There's no such thing as bad publicity"? That has got to be Farrah's mantra.

 

Yup. Farrah's logic is that she's famous enough to be known and not wanted, so that's good enough for her. 

 

Poor guy, could not get his eyes off of the girls, skinny girls. So now he has seen them, I worry that he will not be satisfied with Catelynn now, since she is pretty overweight. Will knowing what he is missing, cause him to cheat in the future?

 

Being an asshole is what would cause him to cheat in the future. Yes, the strippers may have weighed less that Cate, but they weren't "all that". The one talking to both of them at the end looked pretty rough. What exactly is he missing? This is all supposing that a single Tyler would be able to get hot, skinny chicks. He's kind of a controlling, immature, vain douche - so I don't know about that. 

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

 

Teen Mom's Tyler and Catelynn Go To The Strip Club With Their Parents
It’s the bachelor/bachelorette party for the wedding we’ve been hearing about for six years, and Butch celebrates being out of jail by asking a stripper for a beej.

[lezlers]

Ugh, Amber, just stop.

If I may get personal for a minute- I'll try and keep this brief- I have 2 kids, a 4 year old and a 5 month old. I work full time outside the home and I love my job. There is not a day that goes by that I don't feel at some point like a shitty mom. Maybe I tell my daughter to pick up her toys but end up doing it for her because it's just easier and I then worry I'm not teaching her to be responsible. Maybe I buy her a toy just because when she hasn't earned it and now I worry I'm spoiling her. Maybe I skip forcing her to practice writing her letters and I worry I'm not teaching her discipline and solid work ethic. Maybe I let her watch hours of her iPad/tv because I'm trying to clean pump parts or fold laundry, or get the fussy baby settled and I worry she's not getting enough attention from me, and also, I'm not stimulating her enough and she might end up the dumb kid in school. Maybe in a stressful moment I yell at their dad in front of them and worry I'm damaging them psychologically.

Worst is the feeling when I talk to other working moms and they say if finances would allow it, they would love to stay home. Me? I would take a financial loss if it meant getting to leave the house 8+ hours a day. Every day I deal with guilt and insecurity and never once have I thought, wow I'm really rocking this mom thing. Yet Amber wants to call herself an amazing mom? Fuck her and her low standards.

 

My god, I think I've found my twin.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

OMG...given Jenelle's standards for a boyfriend are as close to non existent as possible, what did this guy have to do to earn himself such a hard pass? The only thing I can think of is he's too fat. I'd throw in ugly, but Jenelle's been there, done that. Most of the guys in Jenelle's little black book are pretty skinny though, except for Nathan. Hmm.

Maybe even Jenelle has a cut off number for how many kids her "soulmates" can have that they don't have custody of. Maybe it's 4. Heck, maybe it's 6. Either way, Matt was over the limit. (And probably too old and unattractive for Jenelle, since she thinks she's hot stuff.)

[GreatKazu]

I think with all the time Jenelle spends on social media, she noticed Matt was going around all the other girls' pages and figured out he was pretty much saying the same thing to each girl. Not to mention, Jenelle already had someone at that point in time. 

 

Thanks ClassyCourtHeels for finding the info about Matt trying to snag each of the girls with his charm. I knew I had read about him going after Jenelle on Twitter. Amber was the only idiot to latch onto him. It is kinda ironic in a way. Amber mentioned how Vivid asked each of the girls to do a porn tape, but Farrah was the only stupid one to go for it. Here is Matt going after the Teen Moms, but it was Amber who fell for it. In the end if I have to declare a winner, Farrah lucked out. LOL 

 

Butch talking about wanting a big woman who weighs at least 200 pounds, wanting some big booty and whatever, had me wondering why then was he with April, who looked like she only weighed 80 pounds when they were together and has no ass? Was he not able to find any woman who was thick enough to tolerate his bullshit? He had to end up with another druggie who had no meat, only bones along with a massive forehead. 

[Maharincess]

She does have a five head doesn't she? Catelynn does too which is why I've always wondered why she doesn't have some kind of bangs. I'm not usually a fan of bangs but I think they'd do a lot to improve Catelynn's look.

[leighroda]

I wanted to quote a post, but I can find it now, but lotusflower was saying how MTV treats the "talent" with kid gloves, and somone else was saying how they are feeding into their delusions... Which is absolutely one of the worst things you can do when somone is delusional. I'm a nurse (I feel like I say that a lot... I swear it's not a braggy thing, I just don't expect people to remember random details about me, and I just want people to know I'm not talking out of my ass (well most of the time), and I do have actual training/education on a given topic) i mean I know it's a little different because for the most part these girls are not psych patient level of delusional, but in dealing with somone who is delusional you are supposed to acknowledge their feelings but redirect them to reality. The producer who deals with Farrah I give a pass, she probably feeds the delusion as a survival tactic, if she tried to reorient Farrah with the reality that she is not all that and a bag of chips, she would likely end up with a louibitan (the fancy shoe... I have no idea how it is spelled) lodged between her eyes

[shelley1234]

I wanted to quote a post, but I can find it now, but lotusflower was saying how MTV treats the "talent" with kid gloves, and somone else was saying how they are feeding into their delusions... Which is absolutely one of the worst things you can do when somone is delusional. I'm a nurse (I feel like I say that a lot... I swear it's not a braggy thing, I just don't expect people to remember random details about me, and I just want people to know I'm not talking out of my ass (well most of the time), and I do have actual training/education on a given topic) i mean I know it's a little different because for the most part these girls are not psych patient level of delusional, but in dealing with somone who is delusional you are supposed to acknowledge their feelings but redirect them to reality. The producer who deals with Farrah I give a pass, she probably feeds the delusion as a survival tactic, if she tried to reorient Farrah with the reality that she is not all that and a bag of chips, she would likely end up with a louibitan (the fancy shoe... I have no idea how it is spelled) lodged between her eyes

 

Yeah, except that production is not about having the girls the healthiest, best version of themselves.  It is about managing the talent and keeping them filming.  That means telling them often what they want to hear and placating them.  It's a business and the producers will do whatever they need to in order to keep the episodes rolling and the cash lining their pockets.  Sure some producers become friendly with them since they spend so much time together, but when it comes down to it...they have a job to do.  Kissing Farrah's ass...or any of the girls tbh is part of their job.

[FanOfTheFans]

Ugh, Amber, just stop.

If I may get personal for a minute- I'll try and keep this brief- I have 2 kids, a 4 year old and a 5 month old. I work full time outside the home and I love my job. There is not a day that goes by that I don't feel at some point like a shitty mom. Maybe I tell my daughter to pick up her toys but end up doing it for her because it's just easier and I then worry I'm not teaching her to be responsible. Maybe I buy her a toy just because when she hasn't earned it and now I worry I'm spoiling her. Maybe I skip forcing her to practice writing her letters and I worry I'm not teaching her discipline and solid work ethic. Maybe I let her watch hours of her iPad/tv because I'm trying to clean pump parts or fold laundry, or get the fussy baby settled and I worry she's not getting enough attention from me, and also, I'm not stimulating her enough and she might end up the dumb kid in school. Maybe in a stressful moment I yell at their dad in front of them and worry I'm damaging them psychologically.

Worst is the feeling when I talk to other working moms and they say if finances would allow it, they would love to stay home. Me? I would take a financial loss if it meant getting to leave the house 8+ hours a day. Every day I deal with guilt and insecurity and never once have I thought, wow I'm really rocking this mom thing. Yet Amber wants to call herself an amazing mom? Fuck her and her low standards.

Tatum, the fact that you recognize all these guilt inducing moments shows me you are on the right track. Every mother alive lives with guilt over our job. If it is any consolation, my kids are grown and I still go down the guilt trip road. Lol. It never ends.

And yes, the way Amber goes on about what a good Mom she is, makes me think she is really trying to convince herself. If not and she truly believes she is, then she is as deluded as Farrah is about her mothering skills.

[Maharincess]

I wanted to quote a post, but I can find it now, but lotusflower was saying how MTV treats the "talent" with kid gloves, and somone else was saying how they are feeding into their delusions... Which is absolutely one of the worst things you can do when somone is delusional. I'm a nurse (I feel like I say that a lot... I swear it's not a braggy thing, I just don't expect people to remember random details about me, and I just want people to know I'm not talking out of my ass (well most of the time), and I do have actual training/education on a given topic) i mean I know it's a little different because for the most part these girls are not psych patient level of delusional, but in dealing with somone who is delusional you are supposed to acknowledge their feelings but redirect them to reality. The producer who deals with Farrah I give a pass, she probably feeds the delusion as a survival tactic, if she tried to reorient Farrah with the reality that she is not all that and a bag of chips, she would likely end up with a louibitan (the fancy shoe... I have no idea how it is spelled) lodged between her eyes

I don't think you're braggy at all, but you should be! Being a nurse is a huge accomplishment and you should brag about it and be very proud of yourself. Nusring school is tough but you did it, that's huge. Nurses are the best. I had surgery when I was 14, I'm 50 now and still remember my nurse Tricia. She made my time in the hospital much better.

Sorry, I'm very off topic here, I just had to say it.

[FanOfTheFans]

Same here.  When did Farrah start talking like that?  Seems like I would have noticed it before but it  I think she just started doing it this year.  No one else in her family talks like English is their second language either.  Sample:

Farrah has always had problem with the semantics of language. It really sticks out like a sore thumb when she gets passionate about a subject and goes on an emotional verbal tirade. I also think, she thinks, she is coming off extremely intelligent and very educated. One thing Farrah does not lack is confidence however. Lol.

[shouldbedancing]

Poor Heather the producer. When Sophia threw the ball and said "I'm mad!" she looked back like, this is when the evil child kills us all. I think it's a legit fear. Farrah does way too much talking about Sophia, feeding her demonic side. I'm really afraid. 

[grumpypanda]

I love the graphics on this show:

TOPLESS = DANGER

Anyway, I seriously hate these people and I'm not sure why I watch this show anymore. I did get a few good laughs though.

At the beginning of the episode when Farrah is talking about her mom and daughter beauty line the camera pans over to Sophia and she looks like a demonic troll with a unibrow. For some reason I found this hysterical. Now I'm not generally one to snark on a child's appearance but Sophia is one tragically unattractive child. She's the last child that should be pimping a beauty line. Sorry but she's not facially gifted.

Anyway, I fucking hate Amber as usual! What kind of bull shit was she saying at the park about Leah not having any other kids to play with? Did she forget that Kristina has a daughter about the same age as Leah and that Leah is at school all day with other kids. She likes to talk shit and she doesn't even know what she's talking about. Good job getting up at 10:30. I wonder what time Kristina gets up each day.

Lastly, why do these people have kids if all they do is try to get away from them? I understand every parent needs a break (I could use one now) but Jade is like two months old and Maci and Taylor are already dumping her off at grandma's house for an entire weekend to party in another state. Can't these people have a regular date night like normal people?

Edited January 14, 2016 by grumpypanda

[Maire]

Did anyone else think Butch was going to take his clipped ponytail and use it to fill a sock doll? Just me?

Since I read here first I knew to look for Butch asking the stripper for oral sex. (Thanks!) Although her face was blurred I could see her doing a spit take, like "what the hell did he just say??"

Oh Butch, never change (except you should stay sober!)

Edited January 14, 2016 by Maire

[Cosmocrush]

I think Tyler does have issues with Caitlyn's weight...in the last episode when Butch was talking about getting with a larger woman, I think Butch said something about 200lbs, Tyler had a disgusted look on his face. I couldn't help but think that Caitlyn probably weighs close to that so what was with the disgusted look? I think he would definitely prefer her to lose weight, I remember his comments last season about dieting, etc. I also think he's over their relationship in general, in addition to not being comfortable with her size.

Bolding mine. 

 

Maybe Tyler was simply disgusted that his father was talking to him about sex and rather graphically too?   That's how I saw that scene anyway.   Who wants to listen to their father/parent talk about what kind of sex they like - especially after four years of going without? 

 

 

Admission, I have watched all these girls, starting from their 16 and P episodes.  I fast forwarded through everything except Ryan playing with Bentley.  I was so fascinated with Ryan acting like a father and not yawning or looking stoned (plus Bentley is cute).

 

I do not think this cast should get another season.  Their is nothing compelling about any of their live and I am disappointed that not of them used the money and fame to better themselves.

 

Maci is on baby daddy number two and this is the third time she is pressuring a non interested guy into marrying her.

 

Amber pretends to want Leah.  She has no interest in child care (getting up at 10:30...my kids get up at 6:00 am on school days and 8:00 a.m.at the latest on weekends).  I bet you Leah wakes up and Amber tells her to stop bothering mommy and get her breakfast from weirdo Matt.  The only reason she has not given Gary full custody is that Leah is her meal ticket.

 

Cate is married and has a baby,  Tyler married her only for show purposes and they have done none of the things they promised on their original episodes.  Tyler is harassing the adoptive parents of his child, because Carly is HIS meal ticket.

 

Farrah wants to be seen as classy, but might be one of the most horrible people I have ever come across.  The fame and money has turned her into a monster.  I know a lot of people respect her hustle, but you can not make money of porn and then claim you are not in porn.  Life does not work that way.

I am disappointed  in these girls too but with the exception of the money/fame aspect, they all are statistically accurate for girls who become teen moms.  I just hope their kids fare better than the statistics for children born to teen parents.  

 

Do we know for sure that the South Hampton white party Farrah crashed was the same party Bella magazine threw for Lisa Vanderpump?   It doesn't look like the kind of crowd that Farrah's "business partner" would have been invited to attend.  I watch RHOBH and i can't tell if the venue is the same or not.  Surely, there was more than one White Party in the Hamptons this summer? 

[MitaJo]

Poor guy, could not get his eyes off of the girls, skinny girls. So now he has seen them, I worry that he will not be satisfied with Catelynn now, since she is pretty overweight.

Hasn't Catelyn lost weight since then? I swear I saw an article about her weight loss a few months ago.

[NikSac]

Hasn't Catelyn lost weight since then? I swear I saw an article about her weight loss a few months ago.

 

She kind of reminds me of Oprah. Skinny one week, heavier and wanting to be skinnier the next.

[qtpye]

I am disappointed  in these girls too but with the exception of the money/fame aspect, they all are statistically accurate for girls who become teen moms.  I just hope their kids fare better than the statistics for children born to teen parents.

 

 

I agree and that is one of my issues with the program.  This show loves to tout itself as a tool to fight against teen pregnancy and not the trashy reality show that it is.  However, none of the girls have suffered the consequences that an average teen mom would have dealt with.  They all have lives of leisure and relative financial security, where many of their millennial counterparts, who did not get pregnant and received some sort of education and/or skills training, are struggling to get by.

 

I know I am part of the problem, because I watch this show.  However, I am getting to the point of tapping out because nothing is here to hold my attention and I do not want to keep fueling the Teen Mom machine.

 

I mean when Debra told Farrah that she has changed the world (or something to that affect) by being on the show?  What the hell?  Does Farrah not realize at best she is a cautionary tale?  Farrah really thinks she has accomplished something great because she is a third rate reality star and has a porn..sorry, sex tape, like Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton.  She will not admit to doing any type of porn, but when it comes to money making opportunities, she is all about that life. 

 

I do not think there should be another season, but it will probably happen.  Sadly, it will probably be centered around Maci's "fairy tale" wedding.

 

Edited January 14, 2016 by qtpye

[lezlers]

I might be the only one who didn't have a problem with Maci going out of town for a weekend without her baby.  When our son was about 3 months my mom offered to take him for the weekend.  My husband and I practically left skidmarks after dropping him off.  Granted, we elected to just sleep and watch movies all weekend instead of partying like Maci, but we're in our mid and late thirties, not early twenties. 

 

Honestly, it's not a crime to leave your children for 2 days to take some time for yourself.   Not everyone is an attachment parent.  ;)

[MerryMary]

I hate to encourage delusions of grandeur, but I swear Butch could be a character actor--he has such a look to him.  I could totally see him on a show like Sons of Anarchy.

 

The difference between Farrah and Paris H or Kim K is that their tapes were released without their consent.  We all know that Farrah sold her tape to Vivid, so there's no feeling sorry for her.  Having James Deen and not a real boyfriend in the tape didn't help her cause any.  To further point out how stupid Farrah is, there's a sequential order of doing porn to build a fan base and collect a bigger paycheck.  There's nothing left to see Farrah do (except girl on girl or abusive acts) because she did everything in the first tape.  She didn't plan this out well.  

 

I kind of felt bad for Farrah in the original season.  She had no idea what she was getting into and Deborah wasn't being supportive.  Remember when Farrah apologized to the labor and delivery nurse for the ugliness of her vagina?  That was funny.  Unfortunately, that girl is long gone.  

 

Farrah and her mom are always talking about haters, but is anyone on her side?  Anyone?

Edited January 14, 2016 by MerryMary

[grumpypanda]

I might be the only one who didn't have a problem with Maci going out of town for a weekend without her baby. When our son was about 3 months my mom offered to take him for the weekend. My husband and I practically left skidmarks after dropping him off. Granted, we elected to just sleep and watch movies all weekend instead of partying like Maci, but we're in our mid and late thirties, not early twenties.

Honestly, it's not a crime to leave your children for 2 days to take some time for yourself. Not everyone is an attachment parent. ;)

Of course there's nothing wrong with taking a break from your kids but the Teen Mom parents seem to always be dropping their kids off somewhere so they can party, get their nails done or meet with their lawyer.

Maybe I'm just a little jealous because I don't have anyone to take my eighteen month old for an entire weekend. I can't even imagine having two whole days to do whatever I want. It sounds like pure heaven. Damn I want to be a teen mom!

[ghoulina]

I don't begrudge a parent a night out. Or a weekend away. It does seem, however, that Maci gets plenty of time away. When she had her own special, for those few episodes, she was essentially living in a party house! She seems to have tons of baby sitters at her disposal. So it wasn't like we were seeing a harried new mom, who had been burning the candles at both ends, finally get a break. This was business as usual for Maci. 

 

I don't know, I don't hate Maci. She's one of the least objectionable girls on this series. But in the few episodes we've had this season, I have not felt a strong attachment towards her daughter at all. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it really does feel like Jade was more of a means to an end. 

[qtpye]

I kind of felt bad for Farrah in the original season.  She had no idea what she was getting into and Deborah wasn't being supportive.  Remember when Farrah apologized to the labor and delivery nurse for the ugliness of her vagina?  That was funny.  Unfortunately, that girl is long gone.

 

 

The tiny bits of humanity we saw in Farrah on her original 16 and P episode seems to be dead and gone.  Now, she would announce how honored everyone should be to look at her vagina, since people pay her millions to look at her vagina.

 

I don't know, I don't hate Maci. She's one of the least objectionable girls on this series. But in the few episodes we've had this season, I have not felt a strong attachment towards her daughter at all. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it really does feel like Jade was more of a means to an end.

 

 

Yeah, It seemed like she adored Bentley when he was a baby, but does not have the same attitude towards Jade. I do not know if it is because it is her second child or she just prefers sons to daughters (I grew up in the south and you would be surprised how prevalent that type of attitude is even in 2015).

 

Hopefully, her lack of feeling for her baby girl is just the editing.  She does not seem to be suffering from postpartum depression, but sometimes it is hard to tell.

[lezlers]

There really haven't been that many scenes with Maci and Jayde, tho.  When Bently was a newborn it was all about her and him because that was the entire focus of the show at the time.  There's been like, 3 scenes with Jayde even present this season and in each one she's holding her, it's not like she's part of Jenelle's "plop the baby in the corner alone with a bottle" school of parenting.  Also, Jayde is a second child, lots of people have more attention divided with their second.  I know I did, anyway.  I don't love her any less (in fact, I admit I have my moments of favoring her), I just didn't have quite as much time and energy to devote solely to her as I did to my son like when he was newborn.

 

I saw more of a problem with harassing Bentley about "girlfriends" at 6 years old than anything having to do with Jayde.  Even my husband, who got suckered into watching with me, said "aaaaaand that's probably how you became sixteen and pregnant."  Heh.  I was also hating her for being that stick thin 6 weeks after giving birth.  WTF?  I still looked 6 months pregnant at that point!  I'll hate on her all day long for that!

[SPLAIN]

I might be the only one who didn't have a problem with Maci going out of town for a weekend without her baby.  When our son was about 3 months my mom offered to take him for the weekend.  My husband and I practically left skidmarks after dropping him off.  Granted, we elected to just sleep and watch movies all weekend instead of partying like Maci, but we're in our mid and late thirties, not early twenties. 

 

Honestly, it's not a crime to leave your children for 2 days to take some time for yourself.   Not everyone is an attachment parent.  ;)

I don't have an issue with any parent going out of town for a weekend without their baby/children. So with that, you are not alone. 

 

I have not mentioned my point of view on Maci and going out of town so, I will post it now.  I take issue with Maci or any of these girls dropping off their kids on a whim to take off on a vacation from doing nothing in their lives. Since it was Maci who did this on the last episode, I will stick with her. Maci has taken off on plenty of vacations, spring breaks, going to Florida and going off to Texas to hang with girlfriends, going to amusement parks, out of town and out of state parties, not to mention her various college tours to give speeches about how hard it is to be a young mother *rolls eyes*. All of this has been documented over the seasons on the show and through linked articles on this board or the previous board. What young parent is able to just take off on a trip for the weekend or for a week without risking losing their job or falling behind in school? What young parent could just leave and have a blast in Vegas with the money they earned at their Check Into Cash job without any worries about having to pay their bills, rent, or mortgage? Without MTV would Maci be able to go on these jaunts or trips? No. If she really had to rely on herself and not on MTVs dime, her life would be vastly different. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Totally agree Splain.  And further, Jayde is all of 6 weeks old. She said to Taylor "how long has it been since we've been able to leave with NO KIDS?" Well, aside from the mud run they showed on the last episode, I'd guess it's been about 6.5 weeks.

 

I also took offense to her "A Closer Look" comment that it would have been just as hard to have her first at 25 than as a teen. That is possibly because she has made insignificant advances in education or career since high school.