Episode Discussion: TFGH

[ulkis]

Is Detective McWood even still on this show?  I'll grant that I've become an somewhat sporadic viewer, but I can't remember having seen poor Woodsy in months. 

 

Ha yeah he was just on the other day. It's hard to notice him though (imo).

[sunnyface]

Is it weird to anyone else that there are currently no doctors working at the hospital?

 

 

No.  Are you not entertained by SIX serial killers, prison scenes, rape, mob, mind control, a kidnapped baby and countless mind numbing violent scenes?

[One would think that commenting on a board about a show entitled 'General Hospital', I wouldn't have to google the difference between serial killer and a murderer.]

 

 and I don't want camp on my show.

 

 

Boy are you watching the wrong show.

Edited December 6, 2014 by sunnyface

[Cattitude]

I was super impressed at how angry Sam was at Patdick. It might be the first time I ever halfway liked her. I still couldn't believe Sam didn't at least give a dig to Patrick about how shady he looks not just for lying about Jason but for his total BS about why he divorced Robin since he admits Robin was forced to stay away and he always knew. He looked like a double dog douchecannon that he is.

 

Then all that happiness was gone when Anna came over and said don't worry Faison will PAY for killing "saint Jasus". I really don't get all the double standards on this show about good and bad. ugh!

 

I actually liked Liz and Nik. I wish Nik could be written more consistantly. I think he and Liz have chemistry but probably 7 out of 10 times he is a douche.

Ha yeah he was just on the other day. It's hard to notice him though (imo).

:(

[ulkis]

aw, sorry Cattitude. I don't hate the cute lug, but he fades into the background a bit.

[TeeVee329]

Loved Helena's barbs about the plus one.heh!

 

The "Siiigh...have I taught you nothing?" in her voice when Dr. O and Britt came rolling up with their huge suitcases was awesome.  Oh Constance Towers, you are a delight!

 

*small voice* I'm curious to see Helena's reaction to Britt and the Britt/Nik of it all on Monday.  I know, I KNOW, but Britt'll be gone by this time next week so let me have my fun. :)

Edited December 6, 2014 by TeeVee329

[kristabell]

And that is a lot of the problem with soaps in the world of social media today: Fan service.

 

I'm not at all saying fans should ever be altogether ignored, but it is the job of the writers to craft a well-written story - whether fans agree with it or not - as long as the viewers can at least get why a character would do something they don't agree with.

 

But instead, writers write to pander and with no real course of their own to follow them, and now soaps are a mess.

 

You'd never see the likes of Agnes Nixon or Bill Bell "writing by Twitter [or Facebook]".

I agree that that's a big part of the problem, especially when writers feel like inciting fan wars (Ron, I'm looking at you) is a way to increase the ratings.

But there's also a big problem with writers on a lot of soaps. (Again I'm looking at you Ron) Writers seem to be increasingly writing themselves into the scripts, which tends to make them horrible and unbalanced. Gloria Monty would never care about social media; but I also never felt like I was watching a therapy session while she was in charge. What is that quote, 'A good book tells you about its characters, but a bad book tells you about its author.' That in my opinion is about 90% of the problem with Ron's writing.

[Francie]

That was a pretty sick burn on Friday when he told Anna that he no longer loves her because she is average and pedestrian. I enjoyed that.

 

It was a sick burn. But, as someone who has watched their history, it was a truly odd thing for Faison to say or feel.  The entire reason he was into her in the first place was the fact that she was a double agent.  We were told, repeatedly, back in the 1990s that Faison thought the two of them were so alike and could rule the world together, and  the whole theme of that summer of 1990 storyline was that Anna wanted so much to believe that she was better than that -- that she was one of the white hats and not a traitor.

 

So, if anything, Anna allowing her ruthless side to emerge should have been a turn on to Faison.

 

Now being so stupid to leave him in a hole in the ground, unguarded, and only watched by a stable boy? Yeah, I could see Faison being disappointed in that.

 

But Ron's pounding a square peg through a round hole, yet again, and his theme until he loses track will be that Anna needs to get off her high horse and learn she ain't so great after all. Duke will call her out on it. Faison .... Dr. O..... she'll be like the hysterical lady on Airplane whom everyone takes their turn to slap.

[HeatLifer]

I still couldn't believe Sam didn't at least give a dig to Patrick about how shady he looks not just for lying about Jason but for his total BS about why he divorced Robin since he admits Robin was forced to stay away and he always knew. He looked like a double dog douchecannon that he is.

Right!? It's amazing to me that Ron doesn't believe that Patrick looks like a douche or a hypocrite or both. Douche because he divorced someone he knew left because she was blackmailed and threatened. Hypocrite because he wanted Robin to leave Jason to die, and treated her like dirt because of the choice, but likes Mrs. Morgan now.

[boes]

I agree that that's a big part of the problem, especially when writers feel like inciting fan wars (Ron, I'm looking at you) is a way to increase the ratings.

But there's also a big problem with writers on a lot of soaps. (Again I'm looking at you Ron) Writers seem to be increasingly writing themselves into the scripts, which tends to make them horrible and unbalanced. Gloria Monty would never care about social media; but I also never felt like I was watching a therapy session while she was in charge. What is that quote, 'A good book tells you about its characters, but a bad book tells you about its author.' That in my opinion is about 90% of the problem with Ron's writing.

 

Perfectly said.  It's far too easy to see the "Ron C." stuff onscreen - the 80's references and homage, and the camp, etc.  Some of this was on display on OLTL - just think the Ford Brothers and Stacey Morasco - but far less IMO.   On that soap he also wrote quite well for many vets.  Here...not so much.

 

The constant recycling of writers from soap to soap in an ever-diminishing landscape also hasn't helped at all.

 

I blame Luke Spencer and Babe Carey - for EVERYTHING.

[ulkis]

Right!? It's amazing to me that Ron doesn't believe that Patrick looks like a douche or a hypocrite or both. Douche because he divorced someone he knew left because she was blackmailed and threatened. Hypocrite because he wanted Robin to leave Jason to die, and treated her like dirt because of the choice, but likes Mrs. Morgan now.

 

It's more like, I don't think Ron cares. I mean, Patrick has always been a bit of a douche though, so it's not necessarily a huge faux pas on Ron's part.

Edited December 6, 2014 by ulkis

[LeftPhalange]

Are Jamie and Nathan the same person?

[SlovakPrincess]

It's more like, I don't think Ron cares. I mean, Patrick has always been a bit of a douche though, so it's not necessarily a huge faux pas on Ron's part.

 

 

Patrick has always been selfish and thoughtless, but I do find this to be completely overboard and out of character.  He must have custody of the town brain tumor right now or something. 

 

Kind of like Carly has always been a stupid asshole, but I still don't buy that she would ever have fucked Franco ... I mean, being mad at Carly is kind of my natural state of being, but I can't even get mad at her for Franco because it's so unbelievable and out of character.

[IWantCandy71]

So I'm sorta back to the possibility of either mind control or split personality with Fluke and Luke. Not just because Lucky was brought up and then we are shown that Jake/Jason is programmed. But mainly because what evil mastermind hides someone in a basement that ANYONE can walk into? My guess will be that if someone does go down there, they won't find him, and it'll be explained that Fluke is hiding Luke in some dark corner. But what if Luke being prisoner is NOT literal? What if Real Luke is imprisoned-sort of-but only in his mind?

About Anna and Faison-I think it's a really interesting acting choice of FH's with all the tears. I don't really get why she's crying. The first time, with Dante and Julian, they were tears of shame and maybe remorse. But since she knows Faison wasn't really imprisoned that whole time and he wasn't suffering-why the continued tears in scenes with him alone?  It's odd to me, I don't get it. It almost feels like FH is angling for her Emmy reel.

Same with Patrick and Sam, TBH. I get Sam's tears, and Kelly's constant relying on her ability to turn on the water works usually annoys me. But Friday, I got why she would, and didn't mind it. But why was Patrick crying? He's probably one of the more sensitive men, but honestly, I still see his friendship with Sam to be very new. They haven't been that close that long, for that kind of reaction IMO.

 

I'm going to miss KT like crazy. Britt could have been such a fierce character, and in comparison to a lot of the others, she really already was. But with better writing, she and Liz, or even she and Sabrina, could have been a new generation Tracy/Monica, Vicki/Dorian, along those lines.

And isn't it sad, and so indicative of a lot of the show's problems, that two recurring players have the best friendship, and some of the best scenes, on this show? Brad and Britt were awesome, and their last, or what I assume to be their last, scene, was no exception. I loved them. THEY would be two I would choose for an OTR story. I hope Britt and Nathan get a goodbye.  I enjoyed them, too.  Poor Nathan. Both of his sisters, possible fugitives from justice. Only on a soap, people.

Edited December 7, 2014 by IWantCandy71

[jennifer6973]

Are Jamie and Nathan the same person?

 

 

Well Jamie is the baby's name, but James and Nathan are the same person.

[CPP83]

What is that quote, 'A good book tells you about its characters, but a bad book tells you about its author.' That in my opinion is about 90% of the problem with Ron's writing.

 

 

 

 

I am not sure if I want to shoot you in the head, steal your baby or put you in a prison yard with Exit signs to show my love and appreciation for these stunning words of truth.

 

Ron wants to put his stamp all over GH but he doesn't care how he does it or what happens to the show and the characters when he does. I feel as if he's so desperate to stay one step ahead of us, the audience, he's willing to dump all his previous plans just because he won't let us "win".

 

He won't be figured out, he will surprise and astound us, even if it means turning everything into a contrived, impossible, silly, ridiculous, offensive, tacky, pathetic mess.

 

Just watching notLuke and Luke squaring off yet again, Tony getting to do one of his accents which never goes well, and yet again dragging out the true identity of an unwanted character that really hasn't proven to be worth the time and effort that's been put in to crafting him and keeping him around.

 

He hasn't killed anyone worthwhile, he didn't take down Sonny, he apparently hasn't figured out how to get ELQ even though a five year old could have come up with a good plan by now and to top it all off when he finally is exposed it won't amount to anything, he'll either die, go to prison or vanish yet again.

[IWantCandy71]

Are Jamie and Nathan the same person?

 

Yes, James was Nathan's name before he came to town and took on the name of Nathan as a cover. I guess he likes it better, LOL-because that's what he goes by. Jamie, however, is the name Nina gave baby Corinthos in honor of Nathan.

 

Forgot to add, Jane can still crack me up, stupid story or not. The line delivery of Ashton being too stupid to plan it all. Then her facial expressions at an offscreen TG when escorting Anna to the door. But most of all, the line about Anna leaving Faison chained to a bicycle rack and hoping for the best. How did they all make it through that scene? Hilarious. I mean, the visuals alone that popped into my head at that. So funny.

Edited December 7, 2014 by IWantCandy71

[HeatLifer]

It's more like, I don't think Ron cares. I mean, Patrick has always been a bit of a douche though, so it's not necessarily a huge faux pas on Ron's part.

Every other episode, Patrick either hates Robin for leaving or knows she was threatened or doesn't remember she exists. All the while, though, he remains the victim. And I guess that's what is kinda amazing. Ron may not care, but he cares enough to not make Patty the bad guy.

Patrick has always been selfish and thoughtless, but I do find this to be completely overboard and out of character. He must have custody of the town brain tumor right now or something.

He's completely OOC. He's always been a jackass, yes. But no way in hell I would ever believe that he would just let Robin say bye-bye under these circumstances and then hold Sam's feelings in a higher regard. I've watched this show for way too long. Way.too.long. Edited December 7, 2014 by HeatLifer

[OnceSane]

 

I blame Luke Spencer and Babe Carey - for EVERYTHING.

Save some blame for Sonny!

[tvchick]

cpp83 wrote:

 

"Ron wants to put his stamp all over GH but he doesn't care how he does it or what happens to the show and the characters when he does. I feel as if he's so desperate to stay one step ahead of us, the audience, he's willing to dump all his previous plans just because he won't let us 'win'."

 

I'm almost certain that I wrote the same thing about Bob Guza fifteen years ago.

[movinon]

 

James and Nathan are the same person

Just for the hell of it, can someone tell me how many people in Port Charles are known by two different names.  I know that Michael's ex girl friend is called Kiki, and yet on message boards, I see her referred to as Lauren.  I also know that wasn't from the other show where she was known as Starr.  The show has so many characters, it's hard to keep them straight, without some of them having 2 different names.  I've been watching almost a year, and I'm still confused, particularly on the message boards.  Sorry to be so stupid - Thanks

[Aprilshowers]

 

But why was Patrick crying? He's probably one of the more sensitive men, but honestly, I still see his friendship with Sam to be very new. They haven't been that close that long, for that kind of reaction IMO.

 

Yeah it is new, and frankly they should have been fecking and in a relationship for the reveal to have any impact. 

[OnceSane]

Just for the hell of it, can someone tell me how many people in Port Charles are known by two different names. I know that Michael's ex girl friend is called Kiki, and yet on message boards, I see her referred to as Lauren. I also know that wasn't from the other show where she was known as Starr. The show has so many characters, it's hard to keep them straight, without some of them having 2 different names. I've been watching almost a year, and I'm still confused, particularly on the message boards. Sorry to be so stupid - Thanks

Kiki's full name is Lauren Katherine Jerome, but her frrrriiieeeeends call her Kiki.

I think the only one with a "dual" name right now is James Reeves/Nathan West. His name was James, but he changed it to Nathan West when he became a cop.

We have nicknames for some of the other characters, there's a thread here that lists most, if not all, of them.

Edited December 7, 2014 by OnceSane

[hypnotoad]

 

Unless the reveal is equivalent to the identity of Keyser Soze, I'd rather have a solid story than one with masks and awkward twists

 

Yeah, there is no chance at all that this Luke/Fluke mess will end up as anything solid. Fluke is Bill Eckert and I think the character made it rather clear on Friday's ep with his bit about not wearing a mask. Now will RC keep this nonsense going for months more? Of course. One question though: how can Fluke keep Luke tied up like that with no bathroom accommodations? I mean Luke should be quite ripe at this point!

 

 

I think this story is dumb, but Jason doesn't have special powers that would let him resist brainwashing.

 

Jason was also never a high priced assassin with ninja powers and yet Helen was talking as if that's exactly who he was! There have got to be a lot more worthy candidates out there for brain washing ninja duty than Jason. Jason was nothing more than a borg thug.

 

 

Can she compel the Sonny/Carly love away?

 

I can't go along with this. I'm standing by what I've said before: keep Sonny and Carly together so their stench doesn't ruin other characters.

 

 

I guess the main thing for me when watching any soap is suspending my common sense when watching

 

I've done my share of suspending disbelief over the years when it comes to watching soaps. Everyone who watches these shows has. I've looked past weather control machines, clones, aliens, devil possession, an unabortion, vampires running around the show Port Charles and yet not being on GH which took place in the same town (and same hospital), people time traveling through paintings and I'm missing a lot in this list.

 

As wacky as most of the above stories were, there were characters involved that were well written and that I cared about. There was consistency to the stories even if they were out there - and generally speaking the stories had a beginning, a middle and an end. There was planning involved. Edited to add that along with these wacky storylines there was usually good grounded stuff going on elsewhere on the canvas.

 

Personally, I'm not willing to excuse RC's lack of vision and planning and just say 'well soaps tend to lack common sense.' I think that's what he counts on: the audience just shrugging it's collective shoulder and going along with it.

 

And yet I keep watching, hoping it will improve. Sigh.

Edited December 7, 2014 by hypnotoad

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Yeah it is new, and frankly they should have been fecking and in a relationship for the reveal to have any impact. 

 

No thanks.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Every other episode, Patrick either hates Robin for leaving or knows she was threatened or doesn't remember she exists. All the while, though, he remains the victim. And I guess that's what is kinda amazing. Ron may not care, but he cares enough to not make Patty the bad guy.

 

Despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I'm going to presume that Ron actually does have a functioning cerebral cortex. With that said, I don't see how he doesn't know how bad Patrick looks right now. I mean, sure, he's always been a little prickish, and I hear 'that baby' every other time I see him, but the fact that he's all weepy because he might not get to do the dirty with Sam and not that, y'know, he realizes now that he's been a putz all this time is just......beyond. Beyond beyond. I guess in a way it's sort of gratifying, since now other people are saying what I said back when he first got involved with Sabrina, that he was coming off like a using shitbag. I wonder if JT wishes he was still working with one of Ron's "pets." Patrick might not have had a POV before, but apparently now his POV is, "Oh, woe is me, Sam isn't going to soothe my man-pain. In bed."

[WendyCR72]

Yeah it is new, and frankly they should have been fecking and in a relationship for the reveal to have any impact. 

 

That is the one time I am grateful that RC can be a tease with no follow through. No to that. Besides, Sam is tiny and looks remarkably similar to the forgotten wife. Psychologically, despite Patrick's douchiness of late, it would, despite RC trying, just look like some sort of weird sexual surrogacy to me. I'm still not convinced it's not, not to mention subconsciously getting back at Jason by Patrick somehow.

 

On the other hand, that's pretty deep for RC. Maybe too deep.

[dubbel zout]

Jason was also never a high priced assassin with ninja powers

 

Compared to Shawn, Jason was Carlos the Jackal.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

I was super impressed at how angry Sam was at Patdick. It might be the first time I ever halfway liked her.

 

 

Sam's shrieking, throaty sobs and babyish hitting out at people and objects got on my last nerve. Patdick  is just riding out the storm, waiting for a new day to get into her pants. If she could have managed to freeze him out for his behavior she would have more control in that relationship, and he wouldn't be so cynical about getting his prize somewhere further down the line.

Edited December 7, 2014 by P3pp3rb1rd

[HeatLifer]

I wonder if JT wishes he was still working with one of Ron's "pets." Patrick might not have had a POV before, but apparently now his POV is, "Oh, woe is me, Sam isn't going to soothe my man-pain. In bed."

Wouldn't you consider Sam the "pet" at this point? She's the one with the story and the POV. This is all about her feelings and her reactions and what she's going to do next. This also applies to Jason. Patrick and Liz are the throwaway characters used to stall and create drama in the meantime.

When you have Patrick have no reaction to Faison, a character that has effected the arc of his Scorpio "family", while Sam gets to go all in and Faison doesn't even KNOW her, that tells me all I need to know.

[Lola16]

Kiki's full name is Lauren Katherine Jerome, but her frrrriiieeeeends call her Kiki.

I think the only one with a "dual" name right now is James Reeves/Nathan West. His name was James, but he changed it to Nathan West when he became a cop.

We have nicknames for some of the other characters, there's a thread here that lists most, if not all, of them.

I'd add Alexis/Natasha as Luke/Fluke does call Alexis by Natasha some times.

[ParadoxLost]

I miss Olivia's visions. We need a psychic. Or a fortune teller. "I see heartache, confusion, latex masks in your future! That will be fifty bucks. " Does Lucy have a job? I suggest tarot cards.

 

Lucy was a psychic long before Olivia was a psychic.  Although Kevin and Mac dressed up in drag to convince her she was being conned (which was the funniest thing to ever happen on this show); I recall actual visions occurring that revealed that along with the con there was legit psychic powers.  This was on GH.  On PC, she went vampire slayer.

[UYI]

I didn't mention this earlier, but I agree with everyone else on how great the Olbrect and Helena scenes were.  Take two fantastic actresses and you really can't go wrong.  So many little touches that both brought to the scenes, just great stuff.

 

I'm surprised you've gone this long without mentioning your beloved Hot!Johnny being back, and of course, being hot ;) .

[ElleMo]

I'd add Alexis/Natasha as Luke/Fluke does call Alexis by Natasha some times.

Helena calls her that too.  I forget exactly why.  was that her original name when living with the Cassadines as a kid?

 

and James/Nathan's mother is Madeleine West/ Magda Westbourne ( or is is Magdalena)

Edited December 7, 2014 by ElleMo

[formerlyfreedom]

Helena calls her that too.  I forget exactly why.  was that her original name when living with the Cassasadines as a kid?

 

You can find it over in the History topic, starting here.

[ulkis]

Helena calls her that too.  I forget exactly why.  was that her original name when living with the Cassadines as a kid?

 

and James/Nathan's mother is Madeleine West/ Magda Westbourne ( or is is Magdalena)

 

Yeah. Her name was Natasha Davidovitch, and she changed it to Alexis Davis when she came to the U.S. for college.

[Lillybee]

I am so done with all the villains of the Legion of Doom including Fluke and I want that storyline wrapped up ASAP.  I hate that I would much more prefer another WTD storyline.

[Bringonthedrama]

 

About Anna and Faison-I think it's a really interesting acting choice of FH's with all the tears. I don't really get why she's crying. The first time, with Dante and Julian, they were tears of shame and maybe remorse. But since she knows Faison wasn't really imprisoned that whole time and he wasn't suffering-why the continued tears in scenes with him alone?  It's odd to me, I don't get it. It almost feels like FH is angling for her Emmy reel.

 

 

 

Faison was also talking about Helena and the brainwashing, about his history with Anna and she mentioned his attempt at mind control of her, etc. I think she was reflecting on her ugly history with Faison, of time away from Robin, and finally of the hell Faison and his associates put Robin through. I'm sure the pain and rage over all of that is just below the surface whenever she sees him, even when she's not actually crying. She's not crying because she's deeply ashamed, or because he says "the spell is broken."

[Berserk]

So I'm sorta back to the possibility of either mind control or split personality with Fluke and Luke. Not just because Lucky was brought up and then we are shown that Jake/Jason is programmed. But mainly because what evil mastermind hides someone in a basement that ANYONE can walk into? My guess will be that if someone does go down there, they won't find him, and it'll be explained that Fluke is hiding Luke in some dark corner. But what if Luke being prisoner is NOT literal? What if Real Luke is imprisoned-sort of-but only in his mind?

About Anna and Faison-I think it's a really interesting acting choice of FH's with all the tears. I don't really get why she's crying. The first time, with Dante and Julian, they were tears of shame and maybe remorse. But since she knows Faison wasn't really imprisoned that whole time and he wasn't suffering-why the continued tears in scenes with him alone?  It's odd to me, I don't get it. It almost feels like FH is angling for her Emmy reel.

Same with Patrick and Sam, TBH. I get Sam's tears, and Kelly's constant relying on her ability to turn on the water works usually annoys me. But Friday, I got why she would, and didn't mind it. But why was Patrick crying? He's probably one of the more sensitive men, but honestly, I still see his friendship with Sam to be very new. They haven't been that close that long, for that kind of reaction IMO.

I've been wondering if the Fluke thing is really some sort of Fight Club scenario, and Luke has had a psychotic break. However, Ron is a master of the obvious, and Fluke will probably just turn out to be Bill. Yawn.

Anna has always cried over Faison, even back in the day. Part of her is still attached to him. During the original cartel story, she admitted, under hypnosis with Tom Hardy, that she won't let go of Faison because she doesn't want to. I think FH playing it that way is to keep some ambiguity with Anna's feelings. Her relationship with him is so complicated. She still kind of treads the line between love/hate. Faison had this fantastic line in an otherwise horrid s/l in 1999 where he kidnapped Felicia. He says, "Hate is just another form of passion, and passion can easily turn into love." I think that's where Anna is, she hates him for sure, but the passion behind it frightens her.

Patrick was crying because he cries over literally everything lately. I mean everything. I get being sensitive, but this is out of hand. Talk about angling for the Emmy reel....

[ParadoxLost]

I've been wondering if the Fluke thing is really some sort of Fight Club scenario, and Luke has had a psychotic break. However, Ron is a master of the obvious, and Fluke will probably just turn out to be Bill. Yawn.

 

What I'm thrown off by is that the acting is off and neither one of them resembles Luke or Bill.

[Berserk]

I think Faison might be better in bed than Luke, if that were him. He was a better Duke than Duke Lavery himself.

Faison would take "get your freak on" to a whole new level. Anna may not know what she's missing. And I agree that he was a better Duke. I thought IB playing Faison playing Duke was better than the current Duke.

[TheGourmez]

Wow, I've loved this past week, especially Thursday and Friday's shows. Heck, even the husband was asking me to catch him up on what happened to Jason over the last two years. I know plenty of y'all are threatening to head to the Barge again, but GH is back on my can't miss list. I was catching up on a month's worth at a time for a while there, but now I'm itching to watch within a day or two. Call me a sucker for camp, I guess--the complete Adam West Batman series was just delivered to my door yesterday morning. It's the only Batman I'll watch.

 

I'm currently thinking Faison may have a few brainwashing routines left in Anna's head. When he told her to sit down just so he could repeat "the spell is broken", I fully expected her face to go blank. 

 

Johnny's ending grin was lovely to see.

 

I'd like fewer villains on the show, but I'm willing to roll with the Legion of Doom for now. At least Villain in chief, Sonny, is behind bars.

[Lillybee]

I think that Patrick is now outcrying JJ's Lucky.

[HeatLifer]

I think that Patrick is now outcrying JJ's Lucky.

LMAO. In Patty's defense (SHOCKER), while he was tearing up on Friday's epi, the tears were a lot less than they have been in the past. He would get all snotty and red before.

Edited December 7, 2014 by HeatLifer

[TheGourmez]

LMAO. In Patty's defense (SHOCKER), while he was tearing up on Friday's epi, the tears were a lot less than they have been in the past. He would get all snotty and red before.

 

Did any tears even fall? I honestly expected rivers of manpain from the reactions here. I think I saw them well up once.

[HeatLifer]

Did any tears even fall? I honestly expected rivers of manpain from the reactions here. I think I saw them well up once.

Yeah, if I had to describe it, I'd say his eyes were more watery than anything. Then again, I try not to look too closely at Patty. Irritation sets in.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Wouldn't you consider Sam the "pet" at this point? She's the one with the story and the POV. This is all about her feelings and her reactions and what she's going to do next. This also applies to Jason. Patrick and Liz are the throwaway characters used to stall and create drama in the meantime.

 

I guess it depends on how you define "pet." Because this just seems to be a stop-gap on the road to Samtrick (yick). Sure, Patrick's all teary-eyed now because Sam is mad at him, but I know how he rolls, and more than that I know how MoRon rolls. I have the Doomsday clock set for the time when Sam "realizes" that Patrick had no other choice but to lie his face off, because God forfuckingbid that he should be culpable for anything. Samtrick, indeed.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Cobalt Stargazer

[HeatLifer]

I guess it depends on how you define "pet." Because this just seems to be a stop-gap on the road to Samtrick (yick). Sure, Patrick's all teary-eyed now because Sam is mad at him, but I know how he rolls, and more than that I know how MoRon rolls. I have the Doomsday clock set for the time when Sam "realizes" that Patrick had no other choice but to lie his face off, because God forfuckingbid that he should be culpable for anything. Samtrick, indeed.

Even if this leads to more Samtrick in the future, it's still Sam's story. That's what I mean by "pet." Patrick is just a placeholder. He's the character Sam spends time with until Jason, the other "pet", is revealed to be alive. Patrick is the character that Ron is twisting and turning to give the character of Sam drama. The story isn't about Patrick or his life. If it was, he would have more of a POV than "I like Sam now."

Edited December 7, 2014 by HeatLifer

[TheGourmez]

Patrick not having a point of view has been a problem since Sabrina came on. The last time he really did was grieving Robin immediately after her "death". He's on a lot, but he doesn't tend to be the character stories are built around. As a fan (one of the few here, I know), I really wish he'd get a perspective. Like, when was the last time he just saw him go home, interact with Emma, and sigh on a couch? Not necessarily a huge scene, but important for character building.

[TeeVee329]

I'd like fewer villains on the show, but I'm willing to roll with the Legion of Doom for now. At least Villain in chief, Sonny, is behind bars.

 

While I'm starting to overdose on them, I kinda would love one scene of them all together, perhaps having an evil meeting around a fancy boardroom table, perhaps with brainwashed Jake(son) there serving drinks.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

 Patrick is the character that Ron is twisting and turning to give the character of Sam drama. The story isn't about Patrick or his life. If it was, he would have more of a POV than "I like Sam now."

 

Not for nothing, but IMO Patrick without a point of view is pretty much the same as Patrick with a point of view. When Lisa was around, Patrick's point of view was that she was perfectly okay to hang out with and that Robin was paranoid to act as if she was out to get her. That led to Lisa soothing Patrick's wounded ego because Robin went to Africa to help people. IMO again, this isn't really that much different, because it's all about when he's going to get his ashes hauled next and who's going to do it. The only thing Sam might get out of the deal is Patdick, and that's no perk as far as I'm concerned.