Episode Discussion: TFGH

[SlovakPrincess]

Jax should have swooped into town on a stack of legal papers, to try and get full custody of Joss the second Carly decided she wanted to make Franco the step daddy.

[Bawoman]

I thought Roger was awful today. Just hamming it up and clearly Ron Carlivati agrees with Franco's take - "I'm not the liar! Not like you and Sonny!" Shut the fuck up and get out, you piece of shit (Franco, not RH, though he should leave too).

 

 

I agree, for the most part, but that wink at the end was killer. The scene should have been all Michael/Carly interactions with no or minimal input from Franco until that wink.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Bawoman

[TeeVee329]

I thought the Michael/Carly scenes were too brief, honestly.

 

The episode was needlessly cluttered.  The birth of the latest Corinthos spawn is, I'm afraid to say, is a big enough sweeps moment that I didn't really see the need to jam it into this episode.

[Scout Finch]

After cackling and hee hee heeing throughout Franco's utterly delicious reveals, I need a damn cigarette. And I don't even smoke.

[TeeVee329]

I remember Dr O loving Halloween, why isn't she celebrating? Or was last year's Halloween festivities just a forgotten plot point.

 

Perhaps the holiday now remembers her of her beloved Faison and that's why she abstained.

 

As for her remarks to Sonny, I doubt this will shock you, but I was fine with it.  If an international criminal is calling you garbage, you must really be garbage and I am fine with that message.

 

What I don't understand is her tangential connection to the Nina/Magda stuff.  She must have know that Nathan would not have been okay with whatever they were doing and she caved immediately when he approached her today.  Why didn't she just score points with him upfront by handing them over?

 

And yes, I would and will enjoy Monica reading Sonny for filth if the writers give her the chance, but she's done a bunch of times over the years and, like jsbt said, he doesn't care what she thinks.

Edited November 5, 2014 by TeeVee329

[sometimesfan]

So, my biggest reason for watching is Ava, due to MW. As gross and putridly disgusting as these scenes have been (it's not that far off from what Franco did to Sam), Maura has just been fantastic. She even makes this dreck tolerable, as much as it can be. All that acting of hers without saying a word. Her expression after the horse story today was gold. Hate Ava if you want, but Maura is just damn good.

 

Silas and Nathan are complete idiots, to go through the entire hour and not have clue one as to where Nina could possibly be.

 

THIS and THIS!!!!

[sashabear21]

I enjoyed Michael's smackdown of Carly today, it's been a long time coming.  I'll be tuning in if he has a similar one with Sonny.  I'll probably have to enjoy them as standalone episodes though because then it's just going to be several weeks of Carly and Sonny accosting Michael and also them being all, "That damn Franco, ruining everything!".  I have no love for Franco, but Sonny and Carly never take responsibility for their actions and they just blame others when the shit hits the fan. It's like when S&C's actions caused Michael to go to prison, but Carly got all pissed off wanting revenge on Dante and Lulu.  I have no desire to watch them blame and seek revenge on someone else for their shitty choices. That story is a lot played out.  For as much as Carly likes to claim she owns her mistakes (like any and all times she makes fun of Liz for her mistakes "At least I don't pretend to be some saint, blah blah blah"), she never actually owns her mistakes at all.  She just blames other people for the truth coming out. I wish I thought she would have Michael's disdain for as long as this show is still on, but I have a feeling Saint Jasus will come to the rescue.  I also have a feeling I will be doing a lot of barfing that day.  

[Ambrosefolly]

I love Monica but Sonny has heard it all before from her and every other decent person in town. He doesn't care about them. The only people that would shake him are Michael and maybe Jason.

They should have Monica either shot or stab Sonny. Seriously. They should have swapped out Dr.O (who I have grown to hate, not in the love to hate way, but hate, and it has nothing to do with Elizabeth) for Monica so she could be around when it is made fully public that Sonny killed AJ and then just snap. Sonny said it himself: if anyone did to him what he did to Monica, he would kill him. This could be her Carly shots Tony moment, except that Monica never did a damn thing to Sonny. 

[ch1]

I wish I thought she would have Michael's disdain for as long as this show is still on, but I have a feeling Saint Jasus will come to the rescue.

 

 

Yeah something like this will happen.  We already have Bobbie defending her and they didn't even give her a minute to be horrified by everything.  She stands there silent until Michael agreed with Franco about Carly loving no one but herself. I mean really?  Nothing got to her before that?  Sonny shooting Monica's son, Carly covering it up and both lying to her grandson's face for months?  None of that got a reaction?

[TeeVee329]

Watching it again, I HATE how it repeatedly cut to Franco while Michael and Carly were getting into it, not just his dumb quips, but silent reaction shots.  So unnecessary.

 

And seriously, Kiki and/or Bobbie wouldn't try to get him to shut up when he's going after their loved ones?  Shove your clutch down his throat, ladies.

Edited November 5, 2014 by TeeVee329

[OhIKnow]

 And VA has way more chemistry with Super Swerve deVry than him.

The fact that you called him Super Swerve has made my day, JSBT. :) 

 

I LOVED the Michael/Carly smack down and thought that both actors did a good job with it. Michael's single tear as he was watching the video got me. 

 

And I'm with everyone who says FREE AVA from the Nina story. It's just too much. Also, I get that it's not sinking in for Silas about Nina because he got the text from "Ava" saying Morgan was back, but I mean... I don't know. Shouldn't you maybe head over and check in on the patient.... juuuuuust in case? Nina is crazy, hence dangerous. And not even Morgan could stop her from marking names off her revenge list. 

[gator12]

Misogynistic name-calling, "slut shaming," and PG-rated torture porn.  What a wonderful hour of "entertainment."

Why wouldn't the writers think that, they still have the viewers praising that misogynistic speech Lucky gave from a few years ago. They just write what viewers praised sadly

[Syndicate]

Michael on full blast over the AJ revelation was round one.  I'm now waiting for round two when it's Monica's turn.

[Lola16]

For some reason my DVR didn't record today.  Thankfully, there's YouTube.

 

That was some freaking large orange baby.  To have to push that out with no narcotics... ouchie.  Glad this storyline is almost over.

 

Yea Michael!  Angry Panda.

 

I'm enjoying Heather.  I like Jordan but she's a little too sanctimonious at times.

 

Kiki.  I think she's worse than Sabrina.  Both the character and the actress.

[CPP83]

I am suddenly fearing the number of court scenes sure to come from all of this. I haven't liked a GH court fiasco in years, it seems as if we just left court, what with the custody battle and AJ's trial...oh god there'll be so many outbursts and bad acting on the horizon.

[Bringonthedrama]

Michael on full blast over the AJ revelation was round one.  I'm now waiting for round two when it's Monica's turn.

I liked that Michael didn't use the trademark gender-based insults he's grown up hearing from Sonny,or curse at Carly - he hit the truth perfectly without going 'dirty'. He called his mother out on being self-serving, a liar, inhumane, lacking in decency, etc. I guess he learned something from Jax, despite all those years of Sonny and Jason worship? 

[annabel]

Yay for everything that went down at the Haunted Star. I actually liked that the whole town wasn't there to hear it, as it would have been stupid that anyone would want to come to the wedding. I appreciated that it was only family even before the "hell no"; I remember being really annoyed when Carly married Jax and there were all sorts of people there like Liz and Sonny who realistically wouldn't have been within miles of the place.

I need for someone to show up at the brownstone and save Ava like immediately, I almost don't care who it is at this point. It has been SO uncomfortable to watch, though MW has really been knocking it out of the park.

All in all, a good couple of days.

[Tiger]

Given how Uncle Frank loves to shoot by set, we'll probably get the murder trial and both custody trials back-to-back-to-back whereby that set will be seen every day for weeks on end, just like how the Brownstone set has been in nearly every episode for the last couple of months.

I have to say though, I think that since Aug we are seeing the main hospital set with the staircase behind the nurse's station more frequently than ever. We've been seeing more hospital sets in general lately.

[Lillybee]

I am surprised that there is anything left of that brownstone set after MSt and to a lesser extent MW were done with their scenery chewing.

[JeezumCrow]

Today is my favorite current episode. I want to watch all of Michael's scenes over and over whenever this show upsets me. That reveal. Was. Glorious.

And I have to say... In all of its discomfort and crazy, I am loving the Nina/Ava scenes. Ava's reactions are gold. The horror is real. I'm an ID addict. Total guilty pleasure.

Edited November 5, 2014 by curlyblackeggs

[movingtargetgal]

Thank God for on demand and Youtube.   Five minutes into this show an electrical company repairman knocked on my front door to let me know he had just changed our electrical meter and he would need to turn our power off for a few minutes.  I just wanted to scream "do you know what today is, Michael is  finding  EVERYTHING out as we speak get the F**k out come back when Meredith Vierra is on."  But instead I acted like a sane reasonable adult and told him that it was not a problem.  It took another 5 minutes before the  cable box reloaded, I lost about 12 minutes of the Carly smack down. 

[annabel]

I remember YEARS ago, before ondemand and youtube, emailing the local affiliate because they had pre-empted when something HUGE was about to go down. I think it involved SJB's Carly and SK's AJ and it was maybe happening at the nurses ball. They were nice enough to email me back and tell me when they would broadcast the show instead.

As opposed to five or so years ago when the local CW's signal went out and I inquired if they might be broadcasting the episode of Gossip Girl I had missed. Their response was "meh, find it yourself."

Edited November 5, 2014 by annabel

[twoods]

Finally! I have waited ages to see Michael Quartermaine go off on his stupid ass parents and stick up for AJ. It was glorious! Everything I could have asked for, down to him telling Carly that she's dead to him. I guess Kiki is getting hers soon.

I could have done without the Franco commentary, but I loved his wink at the end. He really could give two shits about Carly. I do have to say that LW killed it.

No words for the gigantic premie baby with no umbilical cord. GH has never cared about medical stuff.

I really hope Jordan isn't dead.

Edited November 5, 2014 by twoods

[Lillybee]

However, I wouldn't mind if Shawn was dead. He is one character who definitely deserves to die.

[kellog010]

I can't wait until Michael finds out that Ava killed Connie and AJ was innocent on top of Sonny killing him for no reason. Yesterday was such a glorious smackdown. Carly and Sonny deserve all the wrath because not one lie was spoken.

[ch1]

I could have done without the Franco commentary, but I loved his wink at the end. He really could give two shits about Carly. I do have to say that LW killed it.

 

 

I found it funny when she called him evil and that should will kill him.  Number one, way to emphasize your son's feelings about how awful you are and number 2, the man is a serial killer did she think that would phase him?

[godfreydaniels]

Just saw where the last few minutes of GH will be taken up by presidental news conference. Gag, don't know why they can't keep those on cable news sources, anyway,hope the west coasters can update those of us who will miss out. thanks, because you know this is such a "nail biting"show that we hate to miss. 

[sunnyface]

Just saw where the last few minutes of GH will be taken up by presidential news conference.

 

 

It is scheduled for 2:50 PM EST. 

 

After this past month of so much screen time for Sonny and Nina and Franco, my poor television is overdue for a cleansing.

[peachmangosteen]

I respect her [O's] evil so much more than Sonny's. 

 

100% same.

 

Morgan will never be a lost cause to me as long as he's hot. I'm shallow like that. So probably, like, next week he will be deadtome. But no, seriously, look at where both Michael and Morgan were this time last year. There's always a chance for characters to climb out of their own holes of douchiness. Unless it's Franco.

 

Good point. I almost added that I reserve the right to take back my 'deadtome' claim if the baby is Morgan's and he holds her and looks real cute while doing it, so I'm flexible.

 

I liked that Michael didn't use the trademark gender-based insults he's grown up hearing from Sonny,or curse at Carly - he hit the truth perfectly without going 'dirty'. 

 

Ooooh, yes! So great.

 

I am actually really looking forward to this ep so boo to it being preempted at the end.

[ByaNose]

I'm just trying how to figure how Sonny, Ava, Franco & Nina survive all of the reveals. Well, mostly Sonny, Ava & Nina. They all seem like stories you can't come back from but I'm sure RC will have them be friends in the end & celebrating the holidays together.

[Tiger]

As great as Michael telling Carly that she and Sonny are "dead to [him]" was, things are about toget even better.

Michael still has to find that Morgan and Kiki know everything, that Ava killed Connie, and that Sonny knew AJ didn't kill Connie when he shot him.

The best part is, the greasy little shit has no idea what's about to happen. He actually thinks that Sean took out Freakco and further has no idea that Heather has neutralized his henchmen.

[peachmangosteen]

The best part is, the greasy little shit has no idea what's about to happen. He actually thinks that Sean took out Freakco and further has no idea that Heather has neutralized his henchmen.

 

This is so beautiful! I could cry tears of joy!

 

I'm gonna need Michael to use the "You're dead to me," line on Sonny, too. I mean it was great for Carly, but he really needs to use Sonny's own bs against him.

 

I am possibly most excited for him to tear into Kiki though. Such fun!

Edited November 5, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[twoods]

Tiger, Sonny didn't know that AJ didn't kill Connie until after AJ died- he was so "remorseful" that he killed an innocent man. However, he continues to call AJ that "sonofabitch", and I'm glad Michael heard Sonny disrespect his dead father.

I don't want Michael to get too mad at Morgan- I really like them bonding but with the way that Morgan has been recently, they are grooming him to take over Orangeglow's business. MWOP was so glorious- too bad it was short lived.

[TeeVee329]

I'm just trying how to figure how Sonny, Ava, Franco & Nina survive all of the reveals. Well, mostly Sonny, Ava & Nina. They all seem like stories you can't come back from but I'm sure RC will have them be friends in the end & celebrating the holidays together.

 

I really can't believe Ron thinks people will be rooting for Nina, that what she did will somehow be excusable because she's off her meds, she's been in a coma, she lost her baby, blah blah blah.  What she did was such a sick violation and she did it was such glee...what the fuck is rootable about that?

[OnceSane]

I hope we see Michael ask Kiki just how much she knew…but it will be a miracle if she doesn't lie again. After all, Mikey just can't lose her too! Ugh. Please let it all come out and Michael can dump her hard.

[TeeVee329]

While it was good that he got the kids out of there, I kinda wish Lucas had stayed because I have to believe he at least would have popped Franco in the mouth.  That Franco doesn't have a scratch on him yet is insane.

[Lola16]

I'm just trying how to figure how Sonny, Ava, Franco & Nina survive all of the reveals. Well, mostly Sonny, Ava & Nina. They all seem like stories you can't come back from but I'm sure RC will have them be friends in the end & celebrating the holidays together.

If Lulu and Maxie can be besties again, sure why not.

 

I want to see Olivia's reaction when she finds out that it was Sonny that sprung Heather.  I don't think Carly is going to be too happy about that either.

[Tiger]

While it was good that he got the kids out of there, I kinda wish Lucas had stayed because I have to believe he at least would have popped Franco in the mouth. That Franco doesn't have a scratch on him yet is insane.

As I've said before, neither SBr, TB, nor JB Carly would have ever gotten into this situation to begin with, but all three of those versions would have killed Freakco on the spot. Instead tho version turns her back to him and the best she can manage is a stink eye.

This is not LW's fault at all. She has been killing it and is doing her best to play Carly. She clearly gets who Carly is; the writers however do not.

ETA: I'm really looking forward to Monica confronting Carlyl, if only because cause LW and LC have such electric antagonistic chemistry. The Carly/Monica scenes when AJ first returned and then when Monica caught Carnaj having sex were so damn good. Yet another reason the show should have gone with Carnaj; Carly & Monic squaring off on a regular basis would have been gold.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Tiger

[Bishop]

Watching it again, I HATE how it repeatedly cut to Franco while Michael and Carly were getting into it, not just his dumb quips, but silent reaction shots.  So unnecessary.

 

And seriously, Kiki and/or Bobbie wouldn't try to get him to shut up when he's going after their loved ones?  Shove your clutch down his throat, ladies.

 

I agree.  It was utterly annoying how the screen kept interrupting the moments between Michael and Carly just to show Franco's pathetic face.  I don't know why RC feels that Franco needs to be in this reveal at all, but God, he sticks him in everywhere.  Yes, Franco was important for the moment OF the reveal, but once the truth started coming out, there was no need to constantly bounce back and forth to Franco's face.  It was annoying.

 

At least Scotty had the decency to tell Franco to STFU while he was tormenting Michael.  I hate how much glee Franco takes in hurting Michael.  It's no different than the rape.  All the gloating that we saw yesterday as Franco watched Michael's pain and the horror on Carly's face is identical to when he got Michael raped and the horror was on Jason's face, and Franco gloated about it all.  Franco had that same glee today.  

 

As for Kiki, it's hysterical that shocked look of horror on her face towards Franco.  She's such an idiot.  THIS is what Michael has been telling you for a year!!!  Your new BFF is a psycho freak that loves hurting people.  Hello??

I LOVED the Michael/Carly smack down and thought that both actors did a good job with it. Michael's single tear as he was watching the video got me. 

That's the part that killed me.  Quiet moments are more effective than the screaming moments.  It's why I enjoyed yesterday so much more than Morgan's usual smackdowns of Sonny.  It's too much screaming when those two get together.  Yesterday had yelling, but it also had tears, rage, quiet rage, confusion, etc.  It was great.  CD and LW were wonderful, but yes, that single tear rolling down Michael's face as the realization hit him was heartbreaking.

 

I liked that Michael didn't use the trademark gender-based insults he's grown up hearing from Sonny,or curse at Carly - he hit the truth perfectly without going 'dirty'. He called his mother out on being self-serving, a liar, inhumane, lacking in decency, etc. I guess he learned something from Jax, despite all those years of Sonny and Jason worship? 

I agree.  I was wondering if the usual misogynistic terms that soaps love to use would come out of Michael's mouth, but they didn't.  I was glad.  Franco used the whore term several times, and of course Sonny uses them, but I was happy that Michael didn't.   As much as Carly deserves her son's wrath, I was glad that he didn't stoop to the level of calling his mother names that would never be used against a man.

 

Thank God for on demand and Youtube.   Five minutes into this show an electrical company repairman knocked on my front door to let me know he had just changed our electrical meter and he would need to turn our power off for a few minutes.  I just wanted to scream "do you know what today is, Michael is  finding  EVERYTHING out as we speak get the F**k out come back when Meredith Vierra is on."  But instead I acted like a sane reasonable adult and told him that it was not a problem.  It took another 5 minutes before the  cable box reloaded, I lost about 12 minutes of the Carly smack down. 

LOL, I sympathize.  People don't get it when it comes to soaps.  When I got upset over missing an episode, the response I got from family members was "Just wait for the repeat."  You had to explain that soaps DON"T DO repeats.  If you missed the episode, especially years ago, it was gone for good.  At least now we have YT and on demand, thank God.

 

It is scheduled for 2:50 PM EST. 

Are you kidding me???!!!!!   I live in Jersey.  So I'm going to miss GH today because of a press conference that could easily wait another two hours for the regular news cycle??!  Ugh, don't they know how important this week is to GH fans?!

Edited November 5, 2014 by Bishop

[dubbel zout]

She just blames other people for the truth coming out.

 

I loved how Franco carefully pointed out that technically he kept his promise to her about not spilling the beans. That's some fine-line walking there, and I'm glad he rubbed her face in it.

 

I wasn't bothered by Dr. O's berating of Sonny because the context was correct. They didn't bump into each other on the street.

 

I hate how much glee Franco takes in hurting Michael

 

It's not hurting Michael per se that Franco likes, it's how hurting Michael hurts Carly. You gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.

 

on demand

 

Unless your cable provider is stupid Time Warner. Then you have to wait a week to see the current ep.

[ulkis]

I liked it when Chad kinda dragged out that "you kneeeeew" - that was good, like he was about to fall to pieces but picked himself up just in time. Single tears of emoness don't get to me because I'm evil. :)

Edited November 5, 2014 by ulkis

[TeeVee329]

ETA: I'm really looking forward to Monica confronting Carlyl, if only because cause LW and LC have such electric antagonistic chemistry. The Carly/Monica scenes when AJ first returned and then when Monica caught Carnaj having sex were so damn good. Yet another reason the show should have gone with Carnaj; Carly & Monic squaring off on a regular basis would have been gold.

 

If the currently pathetic Tracy wanted to score some points with me, I wouldn't mind her tearing Carly to shreds too.  Remember that glorious scene when Carly was blaming Lulu for Michael going to jail and Tracy rode in and demolished Carly with a few cutting remarks?

Edited November 5, 2014 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

If the currently pathetic Tracy wanted to score some points with me, I wouldn't mind her tearing Carly to shreds too.  Remember that glorious scene when Carly was blaming Lulu for Michael going to jail and Tracy rode in and demolished Carly with a few cutting remarks?

 

I went to the transcripts page to see if I can dig it up, and I came across this:

Carly: Dante's not a mobster. He's a cop. If he disappears, people will notice and they'll care. You would be their first and only suspect, Jason. The cops won't stop until they have you in custody.

Jason: I can do it clean this time. The cops can suspect all they want. They're not gonna be able to prove anything.

Carly: There's no reason to, Jason.

Jason: There's no reason to do anything. Michael's in prison for 2 years because of that son of a bitch. Do you think I'm just gonna let him keep breathing?

Carly: You have to, because he's Sonny's son. And Sonny will turn against you. Don't think he won't. And one of two things will happen. You will die because you won't fight back or Sonny dies, and either way, I lose.

Jason: How is it good that Dante's still around?

Carly: Here's the way we all win. We dismantle Dante piece by piece. We break him down to nothing. And we don't spare Lulu, because that little bitch needs to learn what happens when you betray your family. I think it's beautiful. Dante lives through his own downfall.

Jason: If Dante dies--

Carly: No. No, I'm Michael's mother. You got to give this to me.

 

 

This is why I can't hop on the "Jason turns back into a Quartermaine and blasts Sonny and Carly and has Thanksgiving dinner with the Qs" bandwagon. No, I think I want him to be full on evil and have everyone hate him. That, uh, probably won't happen. But shit like this above is why Jason was actually way worse than Carly. "I can do it clean this time". Lord. It makes me want to call Guza right now and be like "YOU KNOW WE KNEW THAT JASON WAS TALKING ABOUT MURDERING SOMEONE RIGHT???"

 

ETA: Anyway, I found the speech:

Lulu: I'm sorry that Michael is in jail.

Carly: You're sorry. You're sorry that he was walked out of the courtroom in handcuffs, huh? Thank you. Thanks for that. I mean, thanks for that heartfelt sympathy. And I need you to do me a favor, okay? Tonight, when you're getting horizontal with your heroic Dante, make sure you look him in the eye, and you see my son sitting in a cell.

Lulu: Stop.

Carly: Stop what?

Lulu: Stop!

Carly: Why? Am I being too harsh? Am I not nice enough? Am I not understanding? I mean, I get you're in love, and hell, you're standing by your man, but you did it to my son.

Tracy: Why are you blaming Lulu for a situation you created? You stole Michael from the Quartermaines. You gave him to Sonny.

Carly: Oh, my God.

Tracy: You have nobody but yourself to blame for all this misery.

Lulu: Tracy, I don't need you to fight my battles.

Tracy: I'm just stating facts. Why don't you go home and take care of your kid instead of ripping into Lulu?

Carly: Lulu and her twisted priorities are the reason why Michael's in lock-up. You should have called me the second Dante brought Michael home.

Tracy: It's a little late for that. Michael's had a lifetime of damage. Comes with the territory, I guess, when your father is a mob kingpin. You were the one that chose to marry Sonny. You are the one that chose to allow him to adopt Michael. What the hell did you think, he was going to grow up a choir boy?

Carly: I expected Lulu to care more about Michael than her boyfriend the cop.

Tracy: Don't misunderstand me. I have no use for Dante. My fear is he's going to be just as manipulative and a liar like his father. But Lulu chose loyalty to the man she loves. And given the hell you have unleashed in the name of loyalty to Sonny Corinthos, you have no right to criticize.

Carly: I wonder. I really wonder if Lulu sided with Dante, and Dante busted Luke--I mean, really busted Luke--would you be so quick to defend her?

 

 

I was gonna put this in the history thread, but let's all revel in this line:

 

Lulu and her twisted priorities are the reason why Michael's in lock-up

 

Damn. I really, really wish Tracy or Lulu could remind her of that little line

Edited November 5, 2014 by ulkis

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Michael still has to find that Morgan and Kiki know everything, that Ava killed Connie, and that Sonny knew AJ didn't kill Connie when he shot him.

 

As much as I live for the thought of Michael ripping Kaka several dozen new ones, he should really not curb-stomp Morgan. If he'd been a good brother in the first place,  he wouldn't have gotten involved with Melon Head at all. It's not Morgan's fault Kaka is the worst girlfriend ever.

 

I hope we see Michael ask Kiki just how much she knew…but it will be a miracle if she doesn't lie again. After all, Money just can't lose her too! Ugh. Please let it all come out and Michael can dump her hard.

 

I was about to ask if that was a typo, and then realized that that's exactly how Kaka sees Michael, as her meal ticket. Which kind of serves him right.

[GrtGzu]

I'm still wondering when are they gonna clean up the large, orange baby that Ava had.....The baby still had goo all over her, and no cord has been cut......Does Nina still think it has "whorsey" parts?

Edited November 5, 2014 by GrtGzu

[Tiger]

I was so disappointed Tracy never read Carlyle for filth after Carly became Brooklyn 's pimp.

To me what would be great is if during the Monica/Carly confrontation, Carly attempted to haul off and hit Monica and suddenly Tracy appeared behind her, grabbed her arm, told her to sit down and proceeded to absolutely eviscerate her until Carly was literally cowering on the floor as Monica, Ned, Michael and Alice watched. Then Michael would order Alice to remove "Ms. Benson" from the premises.

[TeeVee329]

I also have to wonder if Sam is going to hear how Carly, despite all her "It was the tumor, get over it!" snarling in the past, tried to use what Franco did to Sam to wiggle out from under Michael's accusations.

Edited November 5, 2014 by TeeVee329

[Cattitude]

As someone who doesn't despise Franco I found his involvement and expressions entertaining. Carly looks like the biggest idiot alive for ever getting involved with Franco which IS accurate. No one seems at all surprised Franco would do this to Carly except Carly.

I don't think Franco got joy in hurting Michael b/c the reality is he was HELPING Michael. It was always going to hurt Michael to learn the truth which is Sonny and Carly et al's fault not Franco's. Franco just did what every single person who knew SHOULD have done long ago.

 

That wink at the end was priceless. heh!

 

As much flack as Ron gets for everything I have really enjoyed the set up of the reveal and the blocking of Michael and Carly was great with Carly in the wedding dress. I also like how all these stories are intertwining so well to include just about everyone(not related to Fluke's story) into one big shit storm.

[Bringonthedrama]

I agree.  It was utterly annoying how the screen kept interrupting the moments between Michael and Carly just to show Franco's pathetic face.  I don't know why RC feels that Franco needs to be in this reveal at all, but God, he sticks him in everywhere.  Yes, Franco was important for the moment OF the reveal, but once the truth started coming out, there was no need to constantly bounce back and forth to Franco's face.  It was annoying.

 

 

Yup, and the lack of reaction/panning over to Bobbie bugged me too. She is a legacy character; the mother and grandmother who has been one of her daughter's victims in the past.I had hoped to see some tears from her in reaction to her grandson's heartbreak, some desire to comfort him, some trace of anger that Carly hasn't changed over the years. Instead Bobbie's reaction was more like hmm, this is awkward that Carly got caught shoplifting. If anything, she seemed about to say sorry Carly that you got caught. Instead, we get Franco's 'Carly's a big mean selfish cheater who lies, and I'm totally paying her and her lover back right now for hurting me ... nah nah nah I win!"  Real Franco was dark/sinister, crazy and dangerous; NotTodd!Franco is a vindictive, snarky teenager. 

[TeeVee329]

I don't think Franco got joy in hurting Michael

 

He was sitting there miming eating popcorn while Michael had tears running down his face.  Franco got some joy out of it.

 

And again, Franco didn't tell Michael out of the goodness of his heart or because he's some believer in honesty and truthiness or whatever.  He told because he wanted to hurt Carly and Sonny and hurting Michael was the best way to do it.  If Carly had remained faithful and in love with him, he would have taken that secret to hell.

Edited November 5, 2014 by TeeVee329