Episode Discussion: TFGH

[ulkis]

I think NuValerie is fine. I think she looks a little older, but not by much. I think she is better as a cop than BS was.

Laura and Kevin had sex way too soon.

Sam is also going way too fast with her con thing.

Edited April 24, 2019 by ulkis

[Gam2]

Sam can’t go fast enough with her con thing to suit me. Every time I see her on my screen, I almost fall asleep. Why don’t the producers, directors, etc tell her to act like she isn’t already dead? How can they keep her on as an actress when she’s so, so, so bad?

[DivaLasVegas82]

51 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I don't know why Sam was crying about having to almost take her shirt off in order to gain Shiloh's trust. That was her go-to move when she played at being private detective. She did not sleep with the man and no one is forcing her to continue this nonsense of an investigation.

If Jason had just taken Kristina to the hospital and had her blood drawn, the lab work would have shown the narcotic that Shiloh/Harmony put in her drink. But the problem is that Jason kidnapped Kristina, so he is no position to go to the police and press charges against Shiloh for drugging Kristina.

But if Sam joins the Trust and sleeps with Shiloh, how does that incriminate Shiloh? When Willow was initiated, she said that Shiloh never forced himself on her.

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Laura and Kevin had sex way too soon.

They not only all the way back together, they had sex?  That's waaay too soon.

[SiouxB]

My only favorite part of today's episode was Dr. Neil Burns (Berns?)..

I love him and think he's a wonderful actor with proper nuances in his words and he doesn't forget his lines ! He has charisma and he's cute as hell and I am only sorry he hast to be saddled with the neurotic Alexis !

 I can't wait to find out who was close to him in a cult and can you even imagine if he's Willow's father ? Soapy !!

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

I think NuValerie is fine. I think she looks a little older, but not by much. I think she is better as a cop than BS was.

Same here. Brytni Sarpy looked too young to be a detective, and Paulina Bugembe doesn't. 

I really hate Jordan not telling Curtis how sick she really is because she doesn't want him to worry about her. He worries about her anyway. Trust that he can handle things. 

I also really hate Curtis asking TJ to look after Jordan. I wish she'd said she was an adult instead of "a big girl," which undercuts things, but the infantilizing, especially of women, on this show annoys me to no end.

Willow's real name is Kelly Miller? Oh, Show.

LOL that after one session Alexis thinks the process doesn't work. Did she honestly think Kristina would see the light just because her family tells her she's in a cult? Good grief.

[Hater]

1 hour ago, Gam2 said:

 How can they keep her on as an actress when she’s so, so, so bad?

Frank Valentini.  He collects soap actors and tries to hold onto them as long as he can.

As far as I am concerned, there is very little accountability held to actors.  I think FV picks and chooses who to "punish" or he is told he has to hold them accountable.

Tyler Christopher had a drinking problem and was let go.

Kirsten Storms had some sort of issue as well and was allowed to appear on screen looking sickly and was holding up stories to such an extent that Nathan had a whole damn storyline with Nurse Amy.

Drew/Sam scenes were most likely pulled because of the actors off screen behavior.

Maurice/TG were allowed to talk badly about Ron in public, nothing was done.  Instead MB got everything he wanted.

And there are plenty of other examples of this crap.

FV is a pathetic producer.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Hater

[YaddaYadda]

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Willow's real name is Kelly Miller? Oh, Show.

Kali Miller. Am I the only one who thinks that the shrink's family might be Harmony and Willow?

And I'm not adverse to more scenes between Curtis and Julian at all. It was nice to see Julian having a chat with someone who was not his sister for a change, who was not giving him the evil eye, was not disrespecting him or screaming at him. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by YaddaYadda

[dubbel zout]

53 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Willow's real name is Kelly Miller? Oh, Show.

Kali Miller. Am I the only one who thinks that the shrink's family might be Harmony and Willow?

Okay, so Show is slightly more subtle than I gave it credit for. Heh. And yeah, Neal's family is Willow/Kali and Harmony.

[Cheyanne11]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

4 hours ago, ulkis said:

I think NuValerie is fine. I think she looks a little older, but not by much. I think she is better as a cop than BS was.

Same here. Brytni Sarpy looked too young to be a detective, and Paulina Bugembe doesn't. 

Me three.  From her first scene yesterday I thought she was more cop-like than BS ever was.  And let me add I appreciate that at least so far Chase is not being written as an idiot.  He actually deduces a lot right off the bat.

Sam crying today was so stupid.  There is NOTHING saying she has to continue this con, so she needs to get off the cross and stop acting like she's everyone's savior.

[Hater]

34 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Me three.  From her first scene yesterday I thought she was more cop-like than BS ever was.  And let me add I appreciate that at least so far Chase is not being written as an idiot.  He actually deduces a lot right off the bat.

Sam crying today was so stupid.  There is NOTHING saying she has to continue this con, so she needs to get off the cross and stop acting like she's everyone's savior.

That was crying?  I thought that scene and the acting was particularly painful.  

I have no idea what Kelly is thinking with her acting choices half the time.  Is she playing anxiety?  Fear?  She can barely spit out her dialogue. Every word is an awkward pause in between.  So bad.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Hater

[ciarra]

So, TJ, they don't teach ethics in medical school?  I don't think you can go poking around in a patient's records if you're not the one treating them.  His mom should point that out. 

Fascinating how, in a busy cult house, that there never seems to be anyone around when Shiloh is with Sam.  If the leader is so charismatic, wouldn't there be people lined up to speak to him? 

[30 Helens]

7 hours ago, ulkis said:

I think NuValerie is fine. I think she looks a little older, but not by much. I think she is better as a cop than BS was.

Laura and Kevin had sex way too soon.

Sam is also going way too fast with her con thing.

I get what you’re saying about nuVal, and I agree, she does seem more like a seasoned cop. But that’s part of what seems off to me. OriginalRecipeVal always seemed a bit unsure of herself, like a rookie who was finding her way. I guess she should have had more confidence by now, but since we only saw her on the job about 8 days total, it felt like she was still a rookie. I don’t know. The difference was just jarring to me. I think I just don’t like recasts. (Although I’d gladly make an exception for some characters... Michael, for instance.)

As for Laura and Kevin, I don’t have a problem with them having sex, but I did notice that they didn’t get the usual sex scene treatment— no peeling off of shirts, etc. I guess there’s no bare flesh allowed when it comes to the Olds! The horrors!

[Asp Burger]

I'll join the growing club of people who are okay with NuVal.  Now, they have not written much for the character since the Dante affair ended, aside from her friendship with Kristina. If they had just referenced Valerie's departure from town in an aside from Jordan or Chase, I wouldn't have blinked. But weighing all the factors, and knowing what I do about how it is to jump onto the daytime-soap shooting merry-go-round and take over an existing character, even a thinly characterized one, Paulina Bugembe has made a positive impression in her first two days. She knows what she's doing on a set, clearly. She's just different from Brytni Sarpi. She's less glamorous physically, and she has a more hard-nosed vibe to her. She doesn't seem as vulnerable. Not bad things, for the character's occupation. If they want to make her a major player in this DoD story and other law-enforcement stories, I'm fine with that.

I reserve the right to reverse myself later. I didn't mind Briana Nicole Henry's Jordan at first either, but now I don't think she and Donnell Turner have much chemistry, and a lot of what interest there is in the character rides on that.  

I'm also in the more popular camp of thinking Coby Ryan McLaughlin is doing a good job as a creepy but charismatic cult leader. Putting the "hubba" in "Hubbard" since December 2018! 

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And let me add I appreciate that at least so far Chase is not being written as an idiot.  He actually deduces a lot right off the bat.

I'm surprised someone other than Jason and Sam are allowed to figure things out. Right now Chase has the most information about DoD. How did that happen?!

9 hours ago, ciarra said:

So, TJ, they don't teach ethics in medical school?  I don't think you can go poking around in a patient's records if you're not the one treating them. 

He knows that, and Molly also scolded him for that. But it's his mom. It doesn't make it any less illegal and unethical, but it's understandable.

[ByaNose]

24 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm surprised someone other than Jason and Sam are allowed to figure things out. Right now Chase has the most information about DoD. How did that happen?!

He knows that, and Molly also scolded him for that. But it's his mom. It doesn't make it any less illegal and unethical, but it's understandable.

but it's his Mom. C'mon! LOL!!!

[Sake614]

I think my biggest problem with nuValerie right now is that she is (or at least looks) much too old to be friends with Kristina. Before DoD, they were pretty close and of course the show briefly flirted with them being a couple. I just don't see how they can go there with the recast. There's no way this woman would befriend a girl as emotionally young as Kristina, much less hang out with her.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

For the love of cheese, please let Shiloh be well aware of the crap Sam is trying. I might even possible maybe be okay with Jason coming in and saving the day if they had it so that Shiloh was well aware of everything she has been trying from the beginning.

I agree with Sake that Val looks too old to be Kristina's friend. I also agree with Ulkis that she is a better cop.She seems more mature and confident in herself. So, while I don't mind the actress, the character is very different. I'm not sure how I feel abbot that... not that they really used the character much.

[RedheadZombie]

16 hours ago, SiouxB said:

My only favorite part of today's episode was Dr. Neil Burns (Berns?)..

I love him and think he's a wonderful actor with proper nuances in his words and he doesn't forget his lines ! He has charisma and he's cute as hell and I am only sorry he hast to be saddled with the neurotic Alexis !

 I can't wait to find out who was close to him in a cult and can you even imagine if he's Willow's father ? Soapy !!

Oh he's definitely Willow's father.  Anvils everywhere.

[ulkis]

10 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I get what you’re saying about nuVal, and I agree, she does seem more like a seasoned cop. But that’s part of what seems off to me. OriginalRecipeVal always seemed a bit unsure of herself, like a rookie who was finding her way.

I didn't think she seemed unsure of herself, but that she looked like a model.

They went there with Parker, so at this point I think they would go there with NuValerie. Right now I'd rather they just send Kristina on vacation when this storyline is wrapped up.

Edited April 25, 2019 by ulkis

[Cheyanne11]

30 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Right now I'd rather they just send Kristina on vacation when this storyline is wrapped up.

Permanently.  Honestly, they've brought this character back multiple times and it never works.  The other actress who played her during the awful Trey/reality show storyline was equally as annoying as Lexi, so I think part of the problem is the character (not that either actress is great, though).

[ulkis]

Yup. Sometimes a legacy character is just a dud, like Steven Lars.

[OnceSane]

20 hours ago, Hater said:

I find it funny Sam is willing to go to these lengths to take down a cult leader who is also  a sexual assaulter given her history of sexual assault by Franco.

Instead of ya know teaming up with Molly, she prefers to "get close" to this man.

I kind of never want to hear her crying about Franco ever again.  

Eh, I think Sam can cry about Franco all she wants.  I'm not gonna judge her behavior as unbecoming of a sexual assault survivor.

[NutmegsDad]

When Sonny was bemoaning that Krissy was drugged and what a lowlife Shiloh was to do that, I thought I heard a collective "KAREN FUCKING WEXLER!!!" in the Force.

After Laura and Ava laid out the ground rules about Kevin and that Ava would never all for Kevin, I expected them to break the fourth wall and tell the audience, "We don't care if Ava and Ryan had hot chemistry! Ava and Kevin ain't gonna happen!!!"

[sacrebleu]

I don't know if amused is the correct word-- but I find it *special* that Sonny and Jason are frustrated they can't kill Shiloh because 

A. it will impact Kristina negatively

B. they are the obvious suspects

Perhaps they're weighing the cost/benefit more because its personal and not business (because they don't seem to mind who gets hurt and who gets blamed when its a rival gang member).

But I seem to recall that Kristina pointed the finger at Ethan and not Keifer (for her rape) because she knew that Sonny might have misgivings about killing Luke's son--  and wouldn't for her boyfriend and obviously not because it would impact her negatively....  hooray for Sonny recognizing that his murderous rages impact his family... so....progress???

[Hater]

Nice to see Scout without her mother today.  The show sometimes gives me some favors like that.

[Linny]

It's not an exaggeration to say that I shouted "FINALLY!" at the TV when I saw Scout with Monica and Oscar. Oscar worrying about Scout having no memory of him and wanting her to do the Kilimanjaro trip with Drew in his place was very sweet. I liked the name change and the poker game, too. It's kind of annoying that after so many months of Oscar being sick the show waited until now to hit us with these special family scenes, but still, it was nice.

Anna and Robert were pretty great today, too. The teasing banter, the reminiscing over Robin, the intimacy they still (and will always) share--it was everything I love about them. And I even found myself caring about Finn and that damned ring and his love for Anna. As a couple they can be a bit try-hard, but I do like them as individuals and would like them to be happy.

Maybe it's just the absence of DoD making everything else seem better in comparison, but I enjoyed this episode. (Except for Carly, of course, who looked ghastly in that orange top, and whose baby the show refuses to let me forget exists, much as I try.)

[Sake614]

speaking of Carly (I know we'd rather not)...she can't be more than 4 months pregnant at this point so why does she have such a HUGE bump? She looks closer to 6 months than 4. I guess it's just to remind us that she's carrying the most specialist of special babies...

[YaddaYadda]

11 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

speaking of Carly (I know we'd rather not)...she can't be more than 4 months pregnant at this point so why does she have such a HUGE bump? She looks closer to 6 months than 4. I guess it's just to remind us that she's carrying the most specialist of special babies...

It's the second coming of the Morgan. It's a sacred thing.

[Hater]

The DOD story is such shit that I found myself being able to watch the Oscar stuff even though I loathe the character.

It was a much needed break from that garbage.  Drew needs to run ELQ if he stays and let Michael do something else, he works so much better with them than anything else.

Edit:  The child who plays Scout is perfect to be playing Drew's daughter.  She has the same disgust and scowl on her face as he does in his scenes.  Perfect.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Hater

[sacrebleu]

The thing that I don't understand about yesterday is that-- they seemed to be making a point of showing Sam grabbing her phone-- I thought she was recording-- so she could play Kristina a tape of Shiloh being all pervy and sexing up Sam. 

Sam is a lousy PI since she wasn't asking him leading questions-- like-- did you ask my little sister to strip as well? and the like.  Honestly-- we talk a lot about the logic of Sam marrying 5 guys to get the money for Original Danny's care-- but maybe she had to pull the con five times because she's just really really bad at it-- and didn't get any money a few times.

[Hater]

3 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

The thing that I don't understand about yesterday is that-- they seemed to be making a point of showing Sam grabbing her phone-- I thought she was recording-- so she could play Kristina a tape of Shiloh being all pervy and sexing up Sam. 

Sam is a lousy PI since she wasn't asking him leading questions-- like-- did you ask my little sister to strip as well? and the like.  Honestly-- we talk a lot about the logic of Sam marrying 5 guys to get the money for Original Danny's care-- but maybe she had to pull the con five times because she's just really really bad at it-- and didn't get any money a few times.

Sam is an awful PI. Never solved a damn case in her life.  Michael/Willow/Chase figured this sex cult out before she did.

The character is a mess.

[ciarra]

15 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

they seemed to be making a point of showing Sam grabbing her phone

I wondered about this, thinking she was sending a message to Jason for help, but then the next day, when they repeated the scene, it looked like she had her lockpick set in her hands, because whatever it was opened like a wallet.  Too dark on my crappy tv.  I don't know why they put that in if it was going nowhere.

[ulkis]

10 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I don't know why they put that in if it was going nowhere.

That would be a good slogan for one of the GH t-shirts.

[HeatLifer]

31 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

maybe she had to pull the con five times because she's just really really bad at it--

LOL.

And Sam being uncomfortable is what kinda cracks me up since she has frequently used this scheme—-acting like she’s into men—-as part of her con. And she knows “all men want her,” as GH loves to remind us, so what is the message here, exactly?

[tveyeonyou]

2 hours ago, Hater said:

Nice to see Scout without her mother today.  The show sometimes gives me some favors like that.

I honestly had to think for awhile who Scouts mother is.

[Hater]

15 minutes ago, tveyeonyou said:

I honestly had to think for awhile who Scouts mother is.

Ha! Monica is the mom who raises her.  Sam was just the incubator.  She's too busy conning men trying to "save" Krsitina.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Hater

[ulkis]

Oh shut up Liz. It's distressing that cam only likes Franco as opposed to liking him as much as Jake and Aiden do?

Between them Kevin and Laura having sex at warp speed and the dialogue today I definitely think there will be feelings between him and Ava.

[dr. gailey]

Scout is my favorite baby ever on this show besides Baby Hope with the bunny hat.

She continues to not give one fuck about Eeyore. She hates both of her brothers. Her facial expressions kill me. The only time she smiles is around Drew.

[YaddaYadda]

29 minutes ago, dr. gailey said:

The only time she smiles is around Drew.

Well, he is the only parent she knows. Him and grandma Monica. She probably thinks she's going to the sitter's place whenever she's at the penthouse for her power naps before she returns to her real home, where her father lives.

The writers have taken whatever was left of Sam's character to the meat grinder the day they decided to have start panting over Jason.

Edited April 25, 2019 by YaddaYadda

[ouinason]

I would love it if Sam's discomfort with her scheme leads her to realize that she's not actually comfortable with this life she backtracked her way into anymore.  That she was right when she was with Drew and let nostalgia shove her back into a life that doesn't fit who she is anymore.  This would be self actualization and growth for the character, and actual internal strife for the JaSam relationship, so it can't happen.

[Hater]

24 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Well, he is the only parent she knows. Him and grandma Monica. She probably thinks she's going to the sitter's place whenever she's at the penthouse for her power naps before she returns to her real home, where her father lives.

The writers have taken whatever was left of Sam's character to the meat grinder the day they decided to have start panting over Jason.

I know many will say that "whatever this is Sam" and  I agree to an extent that she's always been a con artist drifting loser but this version right now is  a  vapid, brainless, useless twit. She's not even a fun con.  She takes the wind out of every single scene she's in.

I don't think she has spoken about anything but Shiloh in about 3 months.  There is nothing to this character. Nothing.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Hater

[rur]

2 hours ago, ciarra said:

I wondered about this, thinking she was sending a message to Jason for help, but then the next day, when they repeated the scene, it looked like she had her lockpick set in her hands, because whatever it was opened like a wallet.  

Once I figured out it was a lockpick set, I thought maybe she was getting something out to use as a weapon if necessary. And, of course that brings up a whole other set of questions about wtf she thought she was doing in the first place. But I think my bigger question is why Shiloh didn't seem to notice her hands-behind-the-back action. Or why she seems to sigh in the middle of most of her lines. 

Please, please, please let Shiloh be onto her scam and let him be in the process of setting her up. 

[Hater]

Joss should not be singing.  Nurses Ball is going to be all about her with them trying to do Jason/Robin in Cameron/Joss.  I can't wait to see Liz and Carly be sister in laws.  

Edited April 25, 2019 by Hater

[dubbel zout]

At last, the completely unnecessary Anna-thinks-Robin-isn't-hers story is over. At least it happened with Robert there. FH and TR are so great together. (And OF COURSE Anna wouldn't regret falling in love with Robert Fucking! Scorpio!)

Suddenly Oscar's story is going 120 miles at hour: He's adding Quartermaine to his name, he's begging Drew and Jason to be brothers, he's talking about his "legacy."

Is the test Carly's getting to see if the baby has a chromosomal disorder? I'm with Bobbie that it's pretty rude of Sonny not to be there. He can't spare an hour or two for his wife and unborn child?

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Hater said:

I don't think she has spoken about anything but Shiloh in about 3 months.  There is nothing to this character. Nothing.

Yeah, but I can't think of any character with depth right now.  . . . Laura, a little? Alexis?

Anyone have a screencap of pouty Scout?

Edited April 26, 2019 by ulkis

[Hater]

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Yeah, but I can't think of any character with depth right now.  . . . Laura, a little? Alexis?

Most do not have the screen time that Kelly, Steve, Maurice and Laura do so it's very noticeable when their characters hog up the show and do nothing but suck the energy out of everything.

[Aurora2]

On 4/24/2019 at 7:08 PM, ulkis said:

I think NuValerie is fine. I think she looks a little older, but not by much. I think she is better as a cop than BS was.

NuValerie is more believable as a cop.  However, there is much more to a soap character than that.  I initially became interested in Valerie because she was a new Spencer.  However, when it became apparent that GH wasn't planning to develop her Spencer connections, I remained interested because I liked the sensitivity and vulnerability Brytni brought to the character.  I will need to see some of that again before I know completely how I feel about the recast.  

One further observation I made about nuValerie's cop role is that she felt more like Chase's superior than the junior detective Valerie is supposed to be.  Maybe TOO good in the cop role at this point??? 

Edited April 26, 2019 by Aurora2

[ByaNose]

FH & TR are soap opera gold. They laugh, she cries & everything in between. They really should put him on contract. Get rid of some of the dead weight to pay him. Even his eyes twinkle. He loves playing Robert Scorpio. 

[paisley]

Watching Robert and Anna today got me choked up. It was nice feeling an emotion while watching GH. It's been quite a while.

I think New Valerie is a good actress and I think she makes a good cop but not a new Valerie Spencer. If the writers try to pursue a romance between Val and Krissy it won't work, Krissy's immaturity won't combine with this woman's sensibility. She"'ll end up wasted by these writers like Brytni Sarpy was. (I can report Brytni is doing well over at Y&R).