Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

lso, not having seen it, I presume this apology took place in Monica's home? 

Yes.  Carly went to talk to Michael about funeral arrangements.  Monica came in and offered a spot in the Q mauseleum, so that Jonah "can be with family".  Michael said he wants Jonah beside Morgan "so they won't alone anymore".  Carly was leaving when Monica stopped her.  Carly got all "this isn't the time for whatever this is", but then Monica said she was apologizing.  

 

2 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

do you mean that Scott deliberately tried to throw the case?

Ava and Franco paid him to deliberately throw the case.  

[SiouxB]

Absolutely the low point for today was Monica apologizing to Carly ...and Carly's response (and yes I too thought her response would be to apologize back but alas...)

...but for me, the lowest of the low was Carly parading around in all her glory in that absolutely tasteless and out-of-place white tank top...god was that bad...most of my thoughts about that top I will keep to myself, but I WILL say that it was inappropriate to be walking around in...and might have been better suited had it been worn to the beach.......

..by someone else...

[Melgaypet]

3 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Ava and Franco paid him to deliberately throw the case.  

Okay! That explains it, thank you, @Perkie

Not sure what I think of that choice, yet (well, except for GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE FRANCO), but it's not out of character for Scott.

[WendyCR72]

16 minutes ago, SiouxB said:

Absolutely the low point for today was Monica apologizing to Carly

What?! Oh. HELL. NO. Thank God I no longer watch because, with crap like this, I would have stroked out in rage repeatedly by now.

[Hater]

1 hour ago, SiouxB said:

Absolutely the low point for today was Monica apologizing to Carly ...and Carly's response (and yes I too thought her response would be to apologize back but alas...)

...but for me, the lowest of the low was Carly parading around in all her glory in that absolutely tasteless and out-of-place white tank top...god was that bad...most of my thoughts about that top I will keep to myself, but I WILL say that it was inappropriate to be walking around in...and might have been better suited had it been worn to the beach.......

..by someone else...

Was she wearing a bra?

[SiouxB]

Very hard to tell if she was wearing a bra because her hair was towards the front and was over her boobs!!

??

[Hater]

13 minutes ago, SiouxB said:

Very hard to tell if she was wearing a bra because her hair was towards the front and was over her boobs!!

??

Just asking because LW has a tendency to not wear bras. 

[SiouxB]

?She absolutely loves to go bra-less and if I had to fathom I guess I would say no she was not wearing one!!

but I also just hated the overall "whiteness" of the tank top....

All you saw was hair ...and white....for miles

[Melgaypet]

4 minutes ago, Hater said:

Just asking because LW has a tendency to not wear bras. 

Which, as a well-endowed lady myself, I just don't get. Forget how it looks, how is she not in pain? Yes, some bras are uncomfortable, but I bet Ms. Wright could spring for the high-end, well-fitted ones.

[Oracle42]

8 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't buy that Lucky heard Liz was dating Franco and didn't come to town and shoot him. Sigh.

The WSB decided not to tell him while he's undercover. They know he's going to be furious but they've decided that the mission comes before the man.

In their defense, they really didn't think it would last this long - even the WSB thinks the murderhobo is repulsive

[BlancheDevoreaux]

3 hours ago, LexieLily said:

This is the main reason why I want baby Jonah to stay with Brad and Lucas even with the truth comes out. Carly and Sonny already succeeded in turning one generations of Quartermaines away from their family (two, actually, if you count Jason), they shouldn't be allowed to do that to another baby. 

With any luck, they will go super soapy and play the long game here not having his true paternity revealed until he is adult and in love with Michael's daughter and they discover they can't be together because they are half siblings.

 

Who am I kidding?  The way they show is going, there's no way it will be around long enough for Jonah to age up enough to be in love.

[Katy M]

15 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

With any luck, they will go super soapy and play the long game here not having his true paternity revealed until he is adult and in love with Michael's daughter and they discover they can't be together because they are half siblings.

 

Who am I kidding?  The way they show is going, there's no way it will be around long enough for Jonah to age up enough to be in love.

That would only take a year.  Maybe 2.

[Bringonthedrama]

12 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I don't think the point is that Liz and her family really are "poor." Cameron was just being dramatic and bratty. As someone hinted above, it's all relative. Liz doesn't own a hotel. She isn't married to the boss of the all-important Territory, who has Controlled the Docks for 50 years. Even if Lucky is pitching in with his funds from working as a roadie for The Darkness on their European tour, his contributions can't possibly compare to whatever super-rich Jax sends for Josslyn in absentia. And what other kids has Cameron known? Old-money-flaunting Spencer with his Gothic mansion. Emma, the child of two specialist doctors. Oscar, with another specialist doctor mother. A good nurse will do well, but not that well. Some of those other parents spoil/ed their kids rotten, and it would be in character for Liz to be the frugal type, in part because she really doesn't have access to as much money as the other parents, and in part because it's just how she is. I'd believe she's a parent who is all "If you do this, this, and this, and keep your grades up, you can have this one thing."  

This aspect of Elizabeth's personality was on display in a scene at Wyndemere with Cam, Jake, Spencer and Nikolas back when she was pregnant with Aiden.  Nikolas had the cook make an elaborate breakfast, and she said it was a bit much - her kids were used to cereal. She didn't like the idea of them getting used to being spoiled. That topic came up repeatedly while she was pregnant, because Nikolas kept talking about providing well for the baby and wanting to provide for Cam and Jake because otherwise the child would notice a difference in his/her lifestyle while with Mom, as opposed to the lifestyle at Wyndemere.  Elizabeth was very offended and insisted she could provide for her own children.   

I also agree with you that Cam knows entitled and/or affluent kids and Elizabeth is definitely not one to be okay with him comparing himself financially to them.  I'm sure she could recall the arguments she had with Spencer's late father, and her irritation at Carly bragging around PC about being rich/powerful because of her marriages to men like Jax and Sonny (she never would have owned that hotel if not for her marriage to Jax).

I would love for Cam to say he wants Franco gone and move Drew back in because he cared about all three of us and he's actually related to Jake - or "I want to go see Dad."  Teenage Cam having a huge fight with Elizabeth and Lucky about how he's grown up is long over due, including calling out Lucky for abandoning him after he promised him all those years ago that he would always be there for him. 

[WendyCR72]

It's no secret that I have never been a fan of Liz. And that I am not even watching currently. But, even so, with aging Cameron up, I think an interesting angle could be his relationship with Liz as well as his brothers because, unlike Jake and even Aiden, Cam wasn't fathered by some "great love" of Liz's, and it would be fascinating to see, right or wrong, how Cam views himself with the Zander part of the equation versus how he perceives Liz has treated her other sons.

[TVbitch]

4 hours ago, Perkie said:

Ava and Franco paid him to deliberately throw the case.  

@Perkie I don't think Ava and Franco paid him, I thought they just totally pressured him since Ava is a friend/partner-in-crime and Franco is his son. I think Scott just tried to do a poor job and also warn Alexis about Kiki, but when that blew up, at the end, Scott tanked his closing argument acting like he "chose to do the right thing."  Alexis and even Kiki sat their slack-jawed like 'what is he doing?!.'   

Edited August 15, 2018 by TVbitch

[ciarra]

2 hours ago, SiouxB said:

I would say no she was not wearing one!!

Her bra band was kind of lumpy when they filmed her from the back, so yes, LW was wearing a bra.  And yes, she should be able to afford one that fits her.  The jeans and white top were out of character for Carly.  She's usually in a dress, not looking like she's about to wash her car.  Why look like a schlub on your "freedom tour"?

[MarciNJ]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Teenage Cam having a huge fight with Elizabeth and Lucky about how he's grown up is long over due,

Cam is older than Lucky was when he (Lucky) made his way from Canada to PC on his own.

[Oracle42]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

It's no secret that I have never been a fan of Liz. And that I am not even watching currently. But, even so, with aging Cameron up, I think an interesting angle could be his relationship with Liz as well as his brothers because, unlike Jake and even Aiden, Cam wasn't fathered by some "great love" of Liz's, and it would be fascinating to see, right or wrong, how Cam views himself with the Zander part of the equation versus how he perceives Liz has treated her other sons.

That would be great story. But if would also be so damn sad. Until JJ left, there was no question that Lucky was just as much Cam's dad

[dubbel zout]

I'm all for Ava being angry at Griffin and Lauren for sleeping together, but a little historical perspective wouldn't be amiss. Also, trying to torpedo Griffin's career isn't going to serve Ava well in future relationships. Who wants to get involved with someone who's going to go scorched earth if things go south?

4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

5 hours ago, SiouxB said:

Absolutely the low point for today was Monica apologizing to Carly

What?! Oh. HELL. NO. Thank God I no longer watch because, with crap like this, I would have stroked out in rage repeatedly by now.

Unfortunately, Monica did apologize. Carly's magnanimous response? "If you're big enough to apologize, I'm big enough to accept." Carly is thinking of herself as a peacemaker with Monica, because if Nelle taught her anything, it's holding a grudge can "poison you from the inside." It's so ludicrous to watch Carly think she's on the high ground here.

In the list of people Michael has lost, he was allowed to mention AJ—first!—so small bright spot.

[ulkis]

Monica's apology made me roll my eyes a little but I didn't think it was crazy. She basically only apologized because Nelle turned out to be psycho.

It was Michael's "well that was nice of you to accept her apology" that I thought was ridiculous. Yes, so kind of Carly.

[30 Helens]

On 8/13/2018 at 7:10 PM, TVbitch said:

For fucks sake, Jason is inserted into so many story lines, I half expect Alexis to call him to consult about Kiki's lawsuit! 

 

Jason is definitely overused, but I think it makes sense for him to be involved in this particular story, since it apparently relates to his imprisonment/memory swap. That said, it is ridiculous that he is involved at Robert’s invitation, and there is no reason Drew should not be involved as well.  Or instead of.

 

On 8/13/2018 at 3:37 PM, CharethCutestory said:

Griffin actually showed some emotion in that scene with Ava. Finally. I enjoyed it. I have no doubt thanks largely to MW who pushed MC and the scene that way. So CD is now winning by a hair in the which leading man is the dullest category. 

Both CD and MC need to come up with a new stock expression. The twisted-eyebrow/deeply pained look they both rely on for every situation has gotten so old.

[Perkie]

9 hours ago, TVbitch said:

don't think Ava and Franco paid him

I remember Ava offering money and Scott accepting the offer, though I don't recall if money actually exchanged hands.  

[TeeVee329]

Scotty's martinis are on Ava and Franco for the foreseeable future, as far as I'm concerned.

[godfreydaniels]

Ava is getting to be the Amara of Get Shorty!

[Gam2]

I thought Scotty looked like a homeless guy who found a suit in the dumpster and decided to pretend to be a lawyer. I remember when he was a good actor and very attractive. Have they done this to him on purpose-to make a buffoon of him?

[dubbel zout]

Scott has been a buffoon for a long, long time. He's always been something of a blusterer, but KS has really leaned into that.

[Cheyanne11]

*Shrug* I don't mind Scotty's buffoonery.  It's a few laughs on a show that desperately needs it.

[TeeVee329]

Oh Kiki, you never felt guilty.  Also?  Shut up.

[GHScorpiosRule]

You know, I had stopped watching (AGAIN!) shortly after Griffin first showed up. Watching his scenes with Liz yesterday, I can’t help but think what a lost opportunity it was not to pair these two together.

And jumping into the shallow shallow pool—that one bearded bad guy who’s doing all the talking to Anna and Finn? Looks like a shorter, heavier, and FUGLIER of a guy who looks like he could be Jason Thompson’s brother!???

[JeezumCrow]

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

—that one bearded bad guy who’s doing all the talking to Anna and Finn? Looks like a shorter, heavier, and FUGLIER of a guy who looks like he could be Jason Thompson’s brother!??

YES. I even thought his speech pattern was similar and was wondering if the actor was Jason Thompson’s stand-in.

[WendyCR72]

5 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

You know, I had stopped watching (AGAIN!) shortly after Griffin first showed up. Watching his scenes with Liz yesterday, I can’t help but think what a lost opportunity it was not to pair these two together.

The odd thing is, I remember one of the TV commercials and magazine preview blurbs that hinted at a triangle between Liz, SERIAL KILLER!, and Griffin, and then? *Crickets* But then, I guess Frank felt his pet needed saving more, so here we are. God forbid a nurse and a doctor have a fling/romance on freaking GENERAL HOSPITAL...

[Linny]

You know, I haven't been a proponent of the old Ava coming back as I generally prefer characters who stick more to the straight and narrow, but after Kiki's performance today I say game fucking on. The audacity of Kiki to berate Ava for being vindictive while simultaneously gloating that Griffin wanted her and slamming Ava's age and sex appeal just has me incensed. I don't think her nastiness has anything to do with Ava forcing Griffin's admission during his testimony (like Ava said, Kiki still won her case), I don't think it has anything to do with Morgan, I think it boils down to Kiki not being so far removed from Ava as she believes. She has Ava's propensity for viciousness and making rash choices, but unlike Ava, she's wholly unrepentant and still thinks she occupies the moral high ground. She's richly in need of a wake-up call, and if it takes the wrath of Ava to get the job done, then so be it.

[ulkis]

Today on "Everybody Sucks Hospital":

Shut up Kiki for saying that Ava seduced Morgan twice.

Shut up Ava for her stupid speech and her stupid crying. I was on her side until that dumb scene.

Shut up Franco's nasty strings of hair falling in his face. (Frank's next interview: "Oh, did you see how Franco's hair fell in his face in that scene? Sooo funny! Roger's hair has such comic timing!")

Most of all, SHUT UP Carly, for acting like Jason's fucking secretary. Way. Too. Much. Carly lately. I'm sorry, but Laura Wright is not some huge draw. Carly #2 is standing right in front of her! They could use her as Carly and no one would give a shit. (I've usually preferred LW to TB, but it's whatever now.)

Edited August 15, 2018 by ulkis

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Shut up Franco's nasty strings of hair falling in his face. (Frank's next interview: "Oh, did you see how Franco's hair fell in his face in that scene? Sooo funny! Roger's hair has such comic timing!")

"Franco's hair is doing a phenomenal job, it's got a major story coming up!"

[Benji]

Looked like Carly/LW was wearing another unflattering tank and jeans today. And the HAIR ! So distracting ! She needs a better style.

[LexieLily]

There was a tweet yesterday that perfectly encapsulates how bad this show is. Let me find it. Oh, here we go.
 

[ciarra]

Was I supposed to be inspired about Kiki's win and her gloating while she talks about giving the money to a #metoo charity?  She may have won, but I would think her troubles are far from over at work.   Bensch seriously damaged her career and her relationship with colleagues.  No amount of money or winning will change that, unless Show just decides to forget about it.

[NutmegsDad]

20 hours ago, Hater said:

Just asking because LW has a tendency to not wear bras. 

Hence the phrase, "As useful as a LW Bra."

[ulkis]

15 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Jason is definitely overused, but I think it makes sense for him to be involved in this particular story, since it apparently relates to his imprisonment/memory swap. That said, it is ridiculous that he is involved at Robert’s invitation, and there is no reason Drew should not be involved as well.  Or instead of.

 

Both CD and MC need to come up with a new stock expression. The twisted-eyebrow/deeply pained look they both rely on for every situation has gotten so old.

Begrudgingly I'll stick up for Chad here. He doesn't always have that face. MC has that face 99% of the time. Tell him someone spilled something, he makes that face.

[TVbitch]

You guys posting the faces are killing me.  MC needs to take some remedial acting classes where they have you look in the mirror and make some standard expressions and shit. 

Um, okay, I'm pretty sure that today Alexis was wearing the same white wifebeater tank top that Carly was wearing yesterday, complete with bra straps showing. It was so tight on her that as skinny as she is it was creating little fat rolls at the waistline! (when she was talking to Christina). 

[Cheyanne11]

It's going to be very satisfying when Carly has to go to Elizabeth and apologize for being such a bitch to her today about Joss and Cameron.

...........

...........

...........

Oh, wait, that will never happen.  God, I cannot stand that woman (and I'm sick to death of LW's fake-ass laugh).

[Sake614]

So am i supposed to be rooting for Kiki after she called her mother a jealous bitch and said Ava couldn’t handle the fact that griffin wants Kiki and not Ava?  Because, well, HELL NO! I don’t care what Ava said or did in her past, or even that she forced scott to ask griffin about screwing Kiki. The very idea that Kiki thinks she did nothing wrong and doesn’t deserve Ava’s wrath is enough for me to want Kiki to DIAF. And now she’s absolutely going to pursue griffin if for no other reason than to stick it to Ava. New flash Kiki...I don’t care if your mother and Hernandez boyfriend broke up five minutes ago or five years ago. It’s NEVER okay to fuck him. And yeah the reverse also holds true but at least Ava and Morgan had chemistry lol!

oh joy, Kristina’s back. LA  looks much smaller than the last time she was on the show. She was certainly never fat but she was broader on top. And her face was fuller. Did she lose weight? Whatever it is, I much prefer her like this. She’s such s tiny girl to begin with, the bulky look didn’t suit her.

i loved the look Liz gave Carly after Discussing cam and Joss shoplifting. And of course Carly thinks Franco should just be grateful for a detente with Jason.

[LexieLily]

3 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

So am i supposed to be rooting for Kiki after she called her mother a jealous bitch and said Ava couldn’t handle the fact that griffin wants Kiki and not Ava?  Because, well, HELL NO! I don’t care what Ava said or did in her past, or even that she forced scott to ask griffin about screwing Kiki. The very idea that Kiki thinks she did nothing wrong and doesn’t deserve Ava’s wrath is enough for me to want Kiki to DIAF. And now she’s absolutely going to pursue griffin if for no other reason than to stick it to Ava. New flash Kiki...I don’t care if your mother and Hernandez boyfriend broke up five minutes ago or five years ago. It’s NEVER okay to fuck him. And yeah the reverse also holds true but at least Ava and Morgan had chemistry lol!

Ava should have shot back that Kiki still couldn't handle that Morgan wanted Kiki's mother and not Kiki. 

[ciarra]

3 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Alexis was wearing the same white wifebeater tank top that Carly was wearing yesterday

I didn't notice this, so much as her wearing a bathrobe as daywear.  Wait!  Are you leaving the house in that?

eta. Unwelcome back, Lemonface (Kristina). 

Edited August 16, 2018 by ciarra

[dubbel zout]

I had to laugh that Carly said Elizabeth looked at Cameron as a reflection of herself, as if Carly sees her children as separate individuals who live their own lives. 

"Sometimes I go in the wrong room because I like to snoop." I don't think Carly has ever said anything as honest as that.

In the Ava vs. Lauren fight, I'm Team No One. Neither has the upper hand here.

LOL at Sonny's "Mike's room" sign. He couldn't have printed it out in Comic Sans?

Ugh, Kristina's back. I don't care what's going on with her.

[Melgaypet]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I had to laugh that Carly said Elizabeth looked at Cameron as a reflection of herself, as if Carly sees her children as separate individuals who live their own lives. 

That's hilarious. I wish I thought this staggering lack of self-awareness was intentional on the show's part, but I expect this is supposed to be Carly "telling it like it is" or whatever.

[30 Helens]

On 8/14/2018 at 10:04 PM, ciarra said:

  The jeans and white top were out of character for Carly.  She's usually in a dress, not looking like she's about to wash her car.  

She’s worn that white tank a bunch of times. I think she looks great in it, but YMMV.

6 hours ago, ulkis said:

Begrudgingly I'll stick up for Chad here. He doesn't always have that face. MC has that face 99% of the time. Tell him someone spilled something, he makes that face.

I don’t know, I still think Chad walks around with his eyebrows in a twist far too often.  Maybe he’s been taking some Smell The Fart acting classes from Matt.

[ByaNose]

Laura Wright offten wears a white top and jeans both on and off the show. It's an easy go to look. Although, it does look out of character for Carly. I'm not sure why but Carly seems to be in a DVF Wrap Dress or something close to it. Also, her hair is nice and blonde from the 3 week break they had. I also noticed that Maura West looks awesome, too. Everyone looks so rested and relaxed. I would kill for a 3 week vacation all at once.

[NutmegsDad]

9 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 

LOL at Sonny's "Mike's room" sign. He couldn't have printed it out in Comic Sans?

 

I fully expect to see photoshopped versions of that sign, appearing here and there.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

Just got around to watching yesterday's episode. I tried watching it earlier, got bored, and turned it off.  Today was attempt #2 and I didn't watch it all that closely, so I likely missed a lot.  Here are my thoughts.  I'm sure you are all waiting with bated breath.  

1. Why is Kristina back?  Why?  For the love of cheddar, please let her nasty relationship with Parker be over. So much irony in having the MeToo storyline wrapping up when Kristina returns.  That storyline was wrong for so many reasons so I'm hoping it's over.  I was bummed with Sonny mentioned Parker because I was really hoping the writers were just going to pretend that Kristina had been away at college and was coming home before the start of the fall semester.

2. Carly, you're a bitch.  Franco's reward for busting you out of Ferncliff was Jason not implicating him? Screw that.  Franco could EASILY say he was forced at gunpoint to help Jason.  Who would people believe? Jason is horrible to Franco at every turn. Why would Franco willingly help him? Whatever.  I hate Carly.

3. Kiki, I hate you too.  I can't like anyone in this storyline.  How dare she say that Ava almost tanked her case.  No, Keeks. You banging your mother's boyfriend almost tanked your case. Your actions. How dare you go off on your mom about how Griffin wanted you and not her.  If that were the case, he'd be with you and not begging her to forgive him.  I'm not on his side, either, though.  He's been horrible to Ava since they first got together and then goes and sleeps with her daughter 10 minutes after she walks out on him?  Oh, and then beds Ava on those same sheets not 12 hours later?  Screw him.  And Ava was wrong for going to Monica with her information.  You know what? I changed my mind.  Best storyline.  All parties are flawed and you don't have the clear hero like you do in any storyline involving Sonny. Well done, actually, writers.

4. Maybe the DA will go after Joss.