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1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

I also join those who don't understand why she won't even entertain the idea that Spencer ran away.

Because Valentin held a group of strangers hostage to force Nik to sign over his assets (despite having a will which supposedly granted him those assets), murdered her son and then moved into his house. Valentin tried to kidnap Spencer once before and has recently threatened him. 

If Spencer ran away, he might be in danger. If Valentin took him, Spencer is either in danger or dead. It makes sense for Laura to be laser-focused on the worst case scenario in this instance because the worst case scenario is actually dire.

Of course, the actual reason is that the writers are shitty, and they write with all the subtlety of an Acme cartoon.

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Oy writers. I cut some slack on Valentin supposedly intimidating even Helena, but then don't bring it up again. 

After Laura left the station I felt like Nina got emotional just because Stafford wasn't gonna let Genie have all the scenery in the room, damn it.

And she keeps saying ass man landers.

Really writers, Jason leaves a note and not a text? And then signs it "J."?

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10 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I hope that Laura and Sonny have the decency to apologize to Valentin.

I, on the other hand, hope that she releases toxic gas into the room while he and Nina are sleeping. 

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7 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

If Spencer ran away, he might be in danger. If Valentin took him, Spencer is either in danger or dead. It makes sense for Laura to be laser-focused on the worst case scenario in this instance because the worst case scenario is actually dire.

That makes sense, and if Laura herself put it this way, I'd buy it. Then she'd be using her brain instead of jumping to an almost certainly wrong conclusion. I'm so tired of all the women being idiots. Everything about this irritates me.

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6 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Of course, the actual reason is that the writers are shitty, and they write with all the subtlety of an Acme cartoon.

You know, I wouldn't even mind Laura being the heavy for Valentin if they would let her be pissed at Sonny for Spencer being taken by some mob dude. Or you know what, I wouldn't even want that, I just don't want her to say, "poor Sonny, you must feel so bad someone used Spencer to get to you." If she doesn't say something like that I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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1 hour ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

But must praise that scene between Sam and Ava today when Sam appealed gently to Ava's maternal instinct about being there for Avery's life instead of being a victim to Sonny. And I cheered with wonder when she gently placed the medical mask on Ava's face and took her to the mirror, reawakening Ava's self instincts and hope about healing her body and her soul. How different from the parallel but ugly scene where CarSon mocked Ava and trampled her spirit of survival, telling her that her face is now as ugly as her soul. Sam articulating the thought that Ava had paid her karma, whereas Sonny hasn't, was much appreciated by this fan.

Best scenes of the day!  

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58 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Jason The Torturer and Murderer is why I can't stand the character.

Not looking forward to his return, or to Laura being complicit in whatever he does.

But just think how rewarding the scenes of Laura, Sonny and Jason apologizing to Valentin will be...

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hahahahaha, just kidding!  How ridiculous would THAT be??  

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::Checks in here to see if it might be worthwhile to watch GH again.::

::Shakes head in amused disgust and checks back out, confident that being GH-free is the correct choice.::

Seriously, everything happening on this show right now just sounds disgusting.

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On 7/20/2017 at 5:24 PM, dubbel zout said:

I think GF went overboard with her gasp when the eyewitness recognized Valentin.

She really did, because I think many of us were mislead into thinking it turned out to be some old Frank Smith holdover or something...or Kevin's literal evil twin? Either was more exciting. 

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8 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Because Valentin held a group of strangers hostage to force Nik to sign over his assets (despite having a will which supposedly granted him those assets), murdered her son and then moved into his house. Valentin tried to kidnap Spencer once before and has recently threatened him. 

If Spencer ran away, he might be in danger. If Valentin took him, Spencer is either in danger or dead. It makes sense for Laura to be laser-focused on the worst case scenario in this instance because the worst case scenario is actually dire.

All of the above gives me a lot of patience with Laura as well. The Cassadines have basically been terrorizing her since she was barely in her 20s, have kidnapped or "killed" her, all three of her children, and some of her grandkids. So if the writers could just point that out here and there, it would make eminent sense why she'd be a little...twitchy. 

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what a dumb scene with that woman in the police station. of course she didnt know who kidnapped spencer. she looked like she just came in the studio wearing a housecoat. 

why do the guards need to call sonny to let in his stepdaughter

where are they going with this hayden story.? did she steal money from her fiance? 

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15 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Laura is getting on my last nerve, but I suppose GF has to have some reels for Emmy-bait. Still....

I snark, and therefore I am. But must praise that scene between Sam and Ava today when Sam appealed gently to Ava's maternal instinct about being there for Avery's life instead of being a victim to Sonny. And I cheered with wonder when she gently placed the medical mask on Ava's face and took her to the mirror, reawakening Ava's self instincts and hope about healing her body and her soul. How different from the parallel but ugly scene where CarSon mocked Ava and trampled her spirit of survival, telling her that her face is now as ugly as her soul. Sam articulating the thought that Ava had paid her karma, whereas Sonny hasn't, was much appreciated by this fan. Brava Sam! I have new respect for you.

Isn't Ava Sam's aunt? Why doesn't Sam ever call her "Aunt Ava"? Curtis is always calling Stella "Auntie," but maybe we Southerners are more partial to that type of title.

I couldn't believe I was watching TFGH when I saw that scene. I also have a new respect for Sam, if this is all due to whatever illness they throw on her, could they please not fix it? Sam The Truth Teller is my new favorite character.

15 hours ago, statsgirl said:

If Sam acknowledged her as her aunt it would mean there was a connection that doesn't revolve around Sonny.

Are we supposed to think that Carson attacking Ava is Yay Sonhny and Carly, and "crazy Sam" because she's nice to Ava?

I don't get why they think Sonny is the hero of the show but there it is.

I'll never understand why they think Sonny is the hero of the show. Are they really that tone deaf? And what about MB? Does he actually think he's the best actor that ever acted?

I just can't with Laura, I get all the backstory and understand the Cassadine hate she has every right to revel in, but when she followed Valentin to the docks and assaulted him all I could think of was Wig On A Stick, Party Of One. And Jason showing up to torture the "truth" out of Valentin is beyond dumb. He knows Sam is all out of whack right now, he knows Sam doesn't want him anywhere near Sonny's schemes, but saying Sam won't care because she's related to Spencer? Argh!!!

This was the first time I can remember not wanting the hour to be over, I wanted Sam to go after Sonny immediately.  MrTVEye came home from work just in time for that scene and all I wanted to know was how many bullets were in the clip. He asked me if she was going to shoot Sonny and said it's about time somebody kills him off. His main question about TFGH is why doesn't anyone work and why does everyone drink all the time. I just tell him it's because it's TFGH, where logic does not exist at all. To which he replied "how can you watch this shit?" Good question without a valid answer.

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The worst part of the Sam storyline is going to be when she apologizes to Sonny and simpers about how her illness (whatever it is) made her say those things/shot him/hurt his wittle feelings/whatever.  Because as great as those scenes with Ava were yesterday we're supposed to understand that she's not right in the head right now or she'd only talk to Ava to echo Sonny and Carly's awful, awful threats.

And of-friggin-course Spencer's real kidnapper only sends Sonny a pic of the kid after Jason starts his "let's torture the truth out of Valentin" assignment.  The more this show tells me I'm supposed to root for Sonny and against his ~enemies (defined as anyone who doesn't bow down to him), the more I root for the latter. 

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16 hours ago, ulkis said:

Oy writers. I cut some slack on Valentin supposedly intimidating even Helena, but then don't bring it up again. 

I can't. The Cassadine that Helena and everyone else feared most wouldn't be a crybaby. 

1 hour ago, tveyeonyou said:

why does everyone drink all the time

Is he talking about the characters or the viewers?

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how can hayden and finn affotd a house with a tennis court? iy sounds like something the quarter Maine's woukd own

was that the quarter maine guest house? 

i guess jakes ,scout,cam and aiden are back in the attic

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Finn is a successful doctor. And a specialist. I'm sure he makes a nice salary even before he sold his cure and gave the proceeds to the hospital. And this is port Charles not Beverly hills. Real estate prices are likely not that high. Hell even Morgan was going to buy a big house for him and Kiki 

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3 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

This was the first time I can remember not wanting the hour to be over, I wanted Sam to go after Sonny immediately. 

Me too!!  When she pulled the box out of the closet and took out the gun, I actually giggled a little because I thought, since it was Friday, that she would go after him.  But no, so now I'm sad!!

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3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

The worst part of the Sam storyline is going to be when she apologizes to Sonny and simpers about how her illness (whatever it is) made her say those things/shot him/hurt his wittle feelings/whatever.  Because as great as those scenes with Ava were yesterday we're supposed to understand that she's not right in the head right now or she'd only talk to Ava to echo Sonny and Carly's awful, awful threats.

 

Yes, I really hate this.  For once, Sam actually says something intelligent, insightful and compassionate, and THAT'S supposed to be a symptom of her wtf mental illness?? That doesn't even make sense clinically.  

Plus, you know, Sonny being a total asshat, you'd think that someone, at some point, would point out that he NEVER pays for a damn thing he does...and that whoever said that would actually stick to that because it's the truth.  Why do the writers always have to justify every evil thing Sonny does?!!  

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All of the above gives me a lot of patience with Laura as well. The Cassadines have basically been terrorizing her since she was barely in her 20s, have kidnapped or "killed" her, all three of her children, and some of her grandkids. So if the writers could just point that out here and there, it would make eminent sense why she'd be a little...twitchy. 

I wish they had time and budget for rehearsals.  Rehearsal is when you work off the excess adrenaline of a story line, get rid of the acting tics and other general OTT-ness.

We've seen quite a few actors over the years on GH who were really awful.  Then they get to prime time or movies and they do a pretty good job.  I like to think that GF, with rehearsal and some decent direction wouldn't fall into some of the easier acting traps.  Hell, why not mention good writing too?  With the way they shoot this show I'm surprised anyone is any good at all.

That said, Laura's gasp made me jump a bit. Then I think I giggled.

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32 minutes ago, HipOldBat said:

Plus, you know, Sonny being a total asshat, you'd think that someone, at some point, would point out that he NEVER pays for a damn thing he does...and that whoever said that would actually stick to that because it's the truth.

What I wouldn't give to have Monica overhear Sonny's (or Carly's or Jason's) whining about Ava not paying and UNLEASH. Then she can take a page from her late husband's book and drop a roof on them. It'll never happen.

Poor Monica. Do you think in all her endless hours babysitting JaSam's kids, she has to listen to Danny sing Uncle Sonny's praises?

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I'm super annoyed at Jason for caving into Sonny the Spider's wiles and temptations to re-enlist in mob-related activity. Of course Jason is going to resort to violence, and Laura herself was already striking Valentin and conking him on the head. I wish Val would get back in touch with the police (maybe via his doctor or the hospital) and take out legal recourse against Laura and Jason, who are out-of-control bullies. These days, little kids are kidnapped and trafficked routinely, and Spencer, who takes chances, might have run out of luck. It doesn't have to be Valentin at all. Someone in the five mob families could have branched out into human trafficking.

I'm glad that Nathan told Nina how the cow ate the cabbage [a Texas saying in my family]. He's not going to be there to rescue when she acts impulsively, gets in trouble, and falls apart. Now if only he would strike the same attitude with brainless, impulsive Maxie.

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7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I can't. The Cassadine that Helena and everyone else feared most wouldn't be a crybaby. 

Is he talking about the characters or the viewers?

6 hours ago, OnceSane said:

Ba-zing!

I think he was talking about both because this show will drive anyone to drink lol

 

5 hours ago, Perkie said:

Me too!!  When she pulled the box out of the closet and took out the gun, I actually giggled a little because I thought, since it was Friday, that she would go after him.  But no, so now I'm sad!!

Well, at least we have Monday to look forward to, for once. Hopefully. Damn this show has made me violent, I'm actually rooting for somebody to empty their gun into someone else. Then again, we are talking about Sonny after all.

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12 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

And Jason showing up to torture the "truth" out of Valentin is beyond dumb. He knows Sam is all out of whack right now, he knows Sam doesn't want him anywhere near Sonny's schemes, but saying Sam won't care because she's related to Spencer? Argh!!!

She's barely related to Spencer though, isn't she?  He's the son of her half cousin.  Charlotte is more closely related to Spencer than Sam is.

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4 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

When she pulled the box out of the closet and took out the gun

I didn't see a box, just a gun wrapped in a bandana.  BorgJason always kept his gun in a locked box, but now JaSam have kids, they just leave a gun lying around?

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1 minute ago, ciarra said:

I didn't see a box, just a gun wrapped in a bandana.  BorgJason always kept his gun in a locked box, but now JaSam have kids, they just leave a gun lying around?

I agree, a gun (probably loaded too) should not even be up in the closet, supposedly out of reach of the kiddos in the JaSam household. I guess Sam gets to have a license to carry because she was formerly a PI?

In the previews, is that a woman's arm and hand? Or a young man's?

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5 hours ago, Broken Ox said:

 

I keep meaning to ask -- what does TFGH stand for?

It is short for the very appropriate Typical Fucking General Hospital. 

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20 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

 

I'll never understand why they think Sonny is the hero of the show. Are they really that tone deaf? And what about MB? Does he actually think he's the best actor that ever acted?

 

Yes.  Yes, he apparently does.  

And his fan base completely buys into the Sonny character as "The mobster with the heart of gold.  And dimples."  Every violent thing he does, according to his fans, is justified because "he loves his family" or "he's just protecting what's his".   I guess there must be a lot of them because the show does seem to cater to them constantly.  

The scary thing is, some of them see real life and real life violent people the same way they do soap operas and characters.  I know, I used to teach anger management (to no avail) to people like that and they all found violence on tv and in real life acceptable, justifiable, and "self-defense" (as in, "he called me a name so I hit him in self-defense").  Sorry to get on a soapbox but I wish these sociopaths weren't catered to by tv shows or anyone else.

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10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

She's barely related to Spencer though, isn't she?  He's the son of her half cousin.  Charlotte is more closely related to Spencer than Sam is.

It's so tangled, the way more than half the town is related I need a damn diagram to remember who is related to who, and how. Let's see, Spencer is the unfortunate product of Nikolas and SWSNBN, Nik is the nephew of Alexis, who is the half-sister of Valentin ,SWSNBN was (and PLEASE keep it 'was' show) Sonny's half-sister making Sonny Spencer's uncle. Sam is the daughter of Alexis and Julian so she's Nik's cousin (half cousin?) and Spencer is Sam's second cousin (maybe? I think?), then Sam is also the niece of Ava, making her the cousin of Avery, Kiki, Leo and Lucas, oh and Olivia Jerome would also be Sam's aunt on her Father's side. I'm sure I'm missing someone, but you get what I mean. Tangled webs woven and deception all over the damn place. If I wasn't beginning to get a headache trying to figure this stuff out I'd go on a little more, like if Valentin is Sam's Uncle (I can't anymore with the 'half-this, half-that', I'm just dropping that for this post to save a bit of my sanity) isn't Sam Charlotte's cousin? I need more tea to wake up my brain a bit more, but it's all so convoluted and stupidly confusing.

10 hours ago, ciarra said:

I didn't see a box, just a gun wrapped in a bandana.  BorgJason always kept his gun in a locked box, but now JaSam have kids, they just leave a gun lying around?

I didn't go back and look again, I just assumed she was rooting around in Jason's Box of Pain and that was where the gun came from, I did see her unwrapping it, but as you mentioned, leaving a gun that easily accessible is a huge no with kids in the house. I don't know too much about the gun laws in NY, but they're pretty strict in NJ and you better have every piece of paper up to date never mind a gun lying around in a closet wrapped in a cloth. At least the gun wasn't loaded until she put the clip in but seriously, we follow the letter of the law and everything is in a locked safe that requires fingerprints as well as a combination. Which would be a waste if somebody broke in and I'd be all "hey can you wait until I remember the combination and do the fingerprint thing before you try to murder me oh kind thief? Have a seat, I'll make you a cup of tea because this could take awhile". Ooops, train off the track, back on track, yeah, kids and easily accessible guns don't go together. 

2 hours ago, HipOldBat said:

Yes.  Yes, he apparently does.  

And his fan base completely buys into the Sonny character as "The mobster with the heart of gold.  And dimples."  Every violent thing he does, according to his fans, is justified because "he loves his family" or "he's just protecting what's his".   I guess there must be a lot of them because the show does seem to cater to them constantly.  

The scary thing is, some of them see real life and real life violent people the same way they do soap operas and characters.  I know, I used to teach anger management (to no avail) to people like that and they all found violence on tv and in real life acceptable, justifiable, and "self-defense" (as in, "he called me a name so I hit him in self-defense").  Sorry to get on a soapbox but I wish these sociopaths weren't catered to by tv shows or anyone else.

No need to be sorry, I'm right up there with you on a soapbox. Our kids are growing up so desensitized to violence it's like some of them seem to think it's no big deal because they see so much of it everywhere, and it doesn't help that dead characters on many shows come back to life, I sometimes worry that some people don't get that shooting someone is a permanent thing. Not trying to turn this into a gun debate, but the thing that drives me crazy is a good chunk of shootings are done using illegal guns and the people who play by the rules, going through extensive background checks and taking shooting lessons and learning about gun safety usually don't end up shooting anything other than cardboard cutouts at a gun range. Now I'm stepping off MY soapbox lol

Back on topic, I will never ever understand Sonny's appeal. He's the only one allowed to 'protect what's his' etc. Also, he looks slimy. 

And I'm sorry I forgot who said it here, but thank you for the old TWOP reference, The Sonny, The. Also, DIAF Sonny.

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@tveyeonyou Sam is Lucas' half sister, not cousin. 

Also, New York is a "May issue state". But since Diane is able to get many of Jason's arrest thrown out, techincally, the police department could issue Jason a gun license. However why they let Sonny, who has been convicted of murdering an innocent man has one, I do not know. 

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Thanks Ambrosefolly, it's all so confusing to me, maybe I will sit down and make a chart, I kinda think the writers never did. Then again, do I really care enough to waste my time making sense of it all? Especially when I'm suffering from an Orphan Black hangover this morning, talk about a show that's a complete mind-fuck! Hey! Maybe they'll make SBu or Billy a clone only it would be the worst thing ever if they tried.

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Were people really calling for SBu to come back?  Are they the Sonny fans?

I'd forgotten that Sam is Charlotte's cousin while Spencer is only the son of another cousin.  Under those terms, she should be angry at Spencer for what he is doing to Charlotte.  And why are Laura and everyone else letting Spencer just walk around with all these mental issues?  Why are they letting him go to the same camp as Charlotte after his outbursts?

While I am enjoying Sam's Truth Tea, it bothers me that it will be over all too soon and she'll be kissing Sonny's ring again like everyone else.  And the writers will be saying "See,we gave you what you wanted, now shut up".

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Love those Progressive commercials, too!  Especially the one where he throws the phone down and it bounces back up....I can't believe the whole crew didn't crack up.  I'm sure they did when the director called "Cut!".

Had bad weather here so my feed was spotty at best.  Did get to see Laura clobber Valentin.

Of course Jason's back in.  Sam's going to totally lose it.

 

edited:  forum liked my post so much it printed twice......

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6 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

so tangled, the way more than half the town is related I need a damn diagram to remember who is related to who, and how. Let's see, Spencer is the unfortunate product of Nikolas and SWSNBN, Nik is the nephew of Alexis, who is the half-sister of Valentin ,SWSNBN was (and PLEASE keep it 'was' show) Sonny's half-sister making Sonny Spencer's uncle. Sam is the daughter of Alexis and Julian so she's Nik's cousin (half cousin?) and Spencer is Sam's second cousin (maybe? I think?), then Sam is also the niece of Ava, making her the cousin of Avery, Kiki, Leo and Lucas,

Let me see if I can untangle this:

From the Cassadine side:  Alexis, Valentin, Stephan and Stavros are siblings (though S&S are the only full sibs having both same parents).  This means Sam is sister to Molly and Kristina and first cousin to Charlotte and Nikolas and second cousin to Spencer.  

From the Jerome side:  Julian, Ava and Liv are siblings (though only Julian and Liv are full sibs having the same parents).  This means Sam is sister to Lucas and Leo, and first cousin to Kiki and Avery.  

 

You think Sam's complicated, try and figure out how many people Michael is related to!!

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I always thought first cousin once removed and second cousin was the same thing.  So with that new knowledge....

MIchael, I want to do his wacky biological tree.....

 

From his mother's side: Carly

Bobbie:  grandmother

Lucas & Brad:  uncle and uncle in law

Josslyn: sister

Morgan: brother

Luke:  great uncle

Lulu, Lucky and Ethan:  first cousins once removed (??)    Lulu is also sister in law (see below!)

Rocco, Aiden and Charlotte:  first cousin twice removed (??)   also nephew/neice

Valerie:  first cousin once removed (?)

 

From his biological father's side:  AJ (I only listed the current living members)

Monica:  grandmother

Jason and Sam:  uncle and aunt in law

Scout and Danny:  cousins

Tracy: great aunt

Ned:  first cousin once removed (??)

Brooklyn:  second cousin (?)

 

From his adopted father's side:  Sonny

grandfather:  Mike (he's still alive, just still in rehab!)

Dante:  brother  (Lulu-sister in law)

Kristina:  sister

Avery;  sister

Ric:  uncle

Spencer:  cousin

 

Did I miss anyone??

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at worst she looks as if she had a bad run-in with a bunch of bees.

And we don't mean Olivia Jerome and Carly.

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And his fan base completely buys into the Sonny character as "The mobster with the heart of gold.  And dimples."  Every violent thing he does, according to his fans, is justified because "he loves his family" or "he's just protecting what's his".   I guess there must be a lot of them because the show does seem to cater to them constantly.

Oh, Lord, yes. The nuclear levels of outrage when one of the GH fan pages on A Popular Social-Media Platform included Sonny as an option in a poll for worst soap parent.  "The only thing Sonny is guilty of is loving his children too much!" 

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I thought the buzz was that Oscar was going to be from "a family the fans love", but why am I getting suspicious that this father he doesn't know is going to turn out to be this stupid Garvey dude.

It's always nice to see Mac.

That's all I got...this episode was really stupid.

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Valerie! I'm surprised they remembered she works at the PCPD. I'm surprised they remembered she's a character.

Also, Oscar's last name is Nero. It translates to "black," but that's no clue. I'm guessing that's his mother's name, and we don't know her.  

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I'll begrudgingly admit that Carly had every right to talk to Oscar about the drinking, but she could have dropped the heinous attitude. She was sneering at him the whole time and I don't think that was warranted, because he was on his best behavior and seemed to be forthright in his answers. Also, another mention of Oscar's elusive father, so yeah, I'm expecting him to be significant. 

"Have you ever heard of Man Landers?" Oh, have we ever, Mac. I'm not going to tease Mac about writing in to an advice column because he was so earnest in his desire to make Felicia feel special and appreciated. Mac's awesome, as a husband and in general. 

Do it, Sam, pull the trigger. Throw me a bone and let me see Sonny hurt just a little, please. I deserve this.

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When Sonny was shot the first time, I went to get a snack thinking "Does the dude EVER wear a bullet-proof vest?" Only to find out he is indeed wearing one. Garvey certainly got what he deserved.

Violent Sam is just, well, ludicrous. I guess the show is trying to give us a Sam with energy and will, instead of the limp half-asleep kitty-cat we've been complaining about for so long. Instead of whispering, now she shouts and avenges. It's not those new mother hormones coursing her, through. Suddenly it's like Sam is Jason's fraternal twin, also dressed in black and carrying a gun, carrying out vengeance on her own authority instead of bothering the police. No wonder Sonny looked dumbfounded. Will this version of Sam carry a Scout papoose all in black on her back as she goes about her missions?

Yes, it's that stoo-pid.

What will Kristina say to her sister when she finds out that Sam shot Sonny, Kristina's daddy? Drama ahead, folks!

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