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Michael's strong defense of Jake was nonsense. Just like that insta bond.

 

Sam's face was hilarious when Carly apologized to her.  I think she was expecting to see pigs fly next.

 

I appreciate that kind of nuanced acting. KeMo doesn't get enough credit IMO

 

JZ was painfully bad today when she said "the pollllliiiiiccceeee??" after Lucas told her where Sam and Patrick were.

 

 

Brad was missing an eye roll when he explained why they went to the PCPD. "The care of the missing Phoenix" Hee!

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-LOL @ Michael randomly yelling at Maxie and Lulu about Jake's innocence. "I only spoke with him for 2 seconds, but HEWOULDNEVERDOTHAT ARGHHHHH!!!!"

 

He comes by his Jason love honestly.

 

-Why would Patrick want to leave Sam alone to talk to a supposed dangerous person?

Frank Valentini: Jason, today Patrick is so angry at Sam he's gonna drop her in a tank of sharks. Okay, go!

 

-Nik and this random chick is worse than the randomness of Milo and Pip. What is with this regime and everything happening off-screen?

 

He hooked up with her on New Year's. Honestly, I have no trouble believing Nik is always just randomly "escorting" random debutantes off-screen in between bemoaning about Emily.

 

-DZ is better than this shit he's been given.

 

 

Yup yup. The important thing is he usually shows up, because I think you can say most of the actors are better than this stuff, but a lot of them are sleepwalking through it.

 

I just want to vomit all over the attic Joss locked her nanny in.

 

 

lol. I found that line funny but at the same time I don't like Jax's daughter being such a complete freaking brat. At least she seems intelligent though. (unlike a certain kid whose name rhymes with shmencer.)

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I don't mind Ivy.  I actually think it's nice for Nik to date someone new, who's not related to him by blood or marriage, and who isn't Not-Emily.  

 

 

I do wish we had more wacky hijinks from the Three Stooges and Ava in that van. I may need more wine but I thought MB was golden in those scenes.

 

"May need" more wine?  ALWAYS need more wine.

 

Johnny and his guys are on it.

 

 

As always!  Love Johnny's guys.  

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Frank Valentini: Jason, today Patrick is so angry at Sam he's gonna drop her in a tank of sharks. Okay, go!

JT: But don't you believe that on some spiritual and psychological level, Patrick is motivated by the conundrum of the...

FV: JASON! READ UR LINES, FUCK....

 

He hooked up with her on New Year's. Honestly, I have no trouble believing Nik is always just randomly "escorting" random debutantes off-screen in between bemoaning about Emily.

It's not that I don't think he would do that, I'm just over it. It's been long enough and he should be able to have a real relationship. And not with Liz, please and thank you.

 

 

Yup yup. The important thing is he usually shows up, because I think you can say most of the actors are better than this stuff, but a lot of them are sleepwalking through it.

 

He looked totes deer in headlights, "what am I doing here?" with Alderson, though. Heh.

 

lol. I found that line funny but at the same time I don't like Jax's daughter being such a complete freaking brat. At least she seems intelligent though. (unlike a certain kid whose name rhymes with shmencer.)

I can't stand any of the kids, to be honest.

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Now I can't watch today's episode. You guys snarking about it is way more entertaining, but I do want to see the van hijinx- sounds entertaining.

At least if Fluke is Luke it doesn't dumb down Tracy too much since she was sleeping with the real Luke. And that's all I got with this storyline.

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What got me was Brad sitting and having a conversation with Sabreeeena.

 

See, now I'm disappointed because I saw a scene after Carlos left where she was all by herself sitting alone, and it made me very happy. I didn't see Brad talk to her.

 

Wow, lots to rant about but nothing to say at the same time. But I'll give it a shot.

 

Gee, Michael. I guess you wouldn't be so apologetic to Carlos if he hadn't been so inept at killing AJ the first time. If things had gone the way they were supposed to, Carlos would have been the killer. And nice of you to conveniently leave that part out, Carlos. Both of them need to STFU.

 

Tracy snarking at Michael about Jakeson was awesome. "A homeless indigent".

 

The Fluke corpse? No words. You all said it better than I ever could.

 

I think that MW and RH have much better chemistry than MW and ME. As much as I hate Franco, I'd accept them as a pairing because at least they're interesting together. Ava with Silas is snore city, and Ava with Sonny is beyond disgusting. This scene shows it, but I'm sure no one but me is interested lol.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmJHGHPUTms&index=42&list=LLk6NDXaHQcmFG4eGF-r0oyg

 

However, Franco can shut it about Ava's crimes. Acting like he's this innocent fallen hero going to go save his precious Nina? Try again, SERIAL KILLER. I did laugh when Sonny and Julian simultaneously told him to shut up.

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He hooked up with her on New Year's. Honestly, I have no trouble believing Nik is always just randomly "escorting" random debutantes off-screen in between bemoaning about Emily.

 

 

It's not that I don't think he would do that, I'm just over it. It's been long enough and he should be able to have a real relationship. And not with Liz, please and thank you.

 

 

Ah, okay, I got you. And yes, I agree.

 

JT: But don't you believe that on some spiritual and psychological level, Patrick is motivated by the conundrum of the...

FV: JASON! READ UR LINES, FUCK...

 

 

Hee! I don't think Uncle Frank would even bother to talk. He would just rub his fingers in the way to indicate "cash" and then leave without waiting for a reaction.

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All I have from today is that the corpse int the chair won't have to sit through the next two/three weeks of dreaded exposition of how Luke is Fluke. I literally don't even care anymore. Talk about shitting on history - Ron and Frank are about to take the biggest dump on GH history ever.

 

Does anyone have wagers on just how far back they'll retcon that Luke has been a secret psycho? Back to Jake's death? Back to Luke and Laura's divorce? All the way back to Bill Eckert's death? Or even before that.. to the infamous rape? How much of GH history will these guys invalidate with their hack writing? There's no rest for Tracy. Sure, she slept with the real Luke, but she fell in love with a complete drug running psychopath. That should make her feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

I can't even be snarky at this point. It's like Ron and Frank want me to feel like a sucker for watching and supporting this show for decades. Maybe this show should have been cancelled rather than letting Ron get his hands on it. He's proved unworthy. (and I didn't even say that about Guza)

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All I have from today is that the corpse int the chair won't have to sit through the next two/three weeks of dreaded exposition of how Luke is Fluke. I literally don't even care anymore.​

 

I never cared.  Welcome to the Can We Please End This Already Club!  No dues, no mandatory meetings, all that's required is a general malaise.

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DayPlayerAtKellys - I have to agree with you about Luke/Fluke/Puke/Cuke/Nuke. The only good thing is that I reject all of that bullshit. I know the history of Luke and Laura and nothing Ron does can affect that.

GH is on its last legs. That's the saddest part of all.

On-topic: why wasn't Lucas wearing a tie?

It was nice seeing Carlosssssss - and Sabrina didn't bother me.

DZ is a very good actor - I thought he did a great job in the basement.

I have no fucking idea who is in that chair. I have no idea who Puke/Fuke/Luke is now. Thanks Ron.

Bobbie looked good, as did Tracy.

Johnny is still hot!

The four Stooges in the van were pretty funny.

I watched Nina/Heather's scenes with the sound off. Worked for me :)

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Actually I suspect Geary would have totally sat in as the corpse if they'd have let him. Maybe they didn't want to waste time/make-up on it.

 

Sadly the way he's looking these days, little cosmetic enhancement would be necessary.

 

 

Boo-yah! I just want to have that quote's baby and escape from prison with it.

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I have a feeling this is what he meant. That said, these guys will be hard-pressed to top the Ethan retcon in terms of taking a dump on GH history. We'll see.

 

Oh. Well then I got nothing. Sorry, I was trying to be somewhat positive. Thanks, show.

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Ew. That's what's in the basement? Honestly, I might've preferred poop ...

I will grant that that was probably a good scene, where Dante wakes up and finds the corpse. But a) it's a rip off from Psycho anyway, and b) it's not worth the months of nonsense beforehand - and the likely many weeks of nonsensical explanation yet to come.

Whose basement is this supposed to be again?

Those pictures of Helena in her ridiculous white furs just make me fantasize about a polar bear eating her...

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At least if Fluke is Luke it doesn't dumb down Tracy too much since she was sleeping with the real Luke. And that's all I got with this storyline.

Even if Fluke is actually Luke in body, it still feels a little too rapey for my taste.

I remember some in the fandom saying that Johnny sleeping with Connie, at a point in time when i believe it was unclear who was real and who was the altar, was rape. And i don't think k this is any different.

I can't find the original post but someone in this thread stated that dialogue this week, something about a cork, seemed to indicate a sexual relationship between Fluke and Helena. I think there have been multiple instances of hints at this.

So when you throw that in, plus the fact that Fluke has expressed disgust towards Tracy multiple times, it still reeks of at least sexual assault, if not rape.

Being that Tracy got maybe one line of dialogue when thought she had been sleeping with Faison, i doubt this will ever be touched on. But it is an important part of the story.

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Well, there's always the possibility of a deranged 'Pat' who's used Bill Eckert's aged body for venting on 'Luke,' blaming him for what happened to her.  Maybe Helena doesn't know it's Pat nor just how demented s/he is and gave reassurances that they took whatever was in the basement out of it and not to worry that Dante was headed there.  Maybe real Luke is still sitting somewhere else.  RC will stop at nothing to try to 'surprise' us.

 

 

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Once again I'm so confused. As of Friday, where are we supposed to think Luke is, who are we supposed to think Fluke is, and who is that corpse supposed to be?

 

I would say right now we're supposed to think the corpse is Bill. And maybe that Fluke really is Luke. But I imagine there's still more 'twists' and 'shocking revelations' to come so it doesn't matter anyway.

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Once again I'm so confused. As of Friday, where are we supposed to think Luke is, who are we supposed to think Fluke is, and who is that corpse supposed to be?

I honestly don't know who we are supposed to think the corpse is, but I Dante is supposed to this it's real Luke.

My spec is that everyone will think real Lewq is dead, but then the reveal will be that Fluke is real Lewq.

And then we'll get the reveal of what Fluke is or what caused him, which is where i think Pat comes in. So it'll be end up being a four-part reveal.

ETA: how Ron intends to tell this story without Laura & Lucky is beyond me. Aside from Helena telling Fluke that she has always hated Laura a few weeks ago, those two have been totally absent from this story. As i posted earlier, at this point I'd gladly except a link that Helena disposed of them. And then later Anna or anybody, even some displayed cop, could state that the WSB rescued them.

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how Ron intends to tell this story without Laura & Lucky is beyond me. Aside from Helena telling Fluke that she has always hated Laura a few weeks ago, those two have been totally absent from this story. As i posted earlier, at this point I'd gladly except a link that Helena disposed of them. And then later Anna or anybody, even some displayed cop, could state that the WSB rescued them.

 

Yea, they really need to at least say that Helena killed Laura/Lucky or has them hostage or something because them being completely absent is a glaring mistake in this 'story.'

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The fab 4's prison break is so silly. They did break out, so should be all going back once caught? Or are they all going to conveniently get to stay out?

I know right? I can see one of them accidentally doing something heroic ( by heroic I mean not completely self-serving) and getting pardoned or whatever, but all of them not having to go back? that will take a real act of screenplay. 

 

My momma always old me if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. 

 

 

 

 

This is me saying nothing. 

 

My mom would tell me to wait until I got home to vent. 

 

I dunno why, once they were free of the prison, the Mob Three didn't just shove Franco out of the van instead of listening to his annoying bleeting about Nina.

Speaking of which, are we really supposed to care/be frightened for Nina?  I'm rooting for Heather.

 

Heather needs to step up her plan. Time is being wasted! 

 

Franco and Ava bickering like teenagers. I almost wanted Julian to crash the van just to shut them up. 

 

I wanted him to threaten to turn the van around if they didn't knock it off. 

 

I haven't been watching regularly and typically FF all things Sabreena but when did she an Carlos start seeing each other again?

 

On Ron's twitter account. 

 

 

With Helena being in head to toe white does that mean her fate has been sealed? Anyone in that much white is never long for this world. (The governor's daughter better watch herself if she survives the explosion, I've seen that look in Helena's eyes before)

 

The tuft of white hair on the deceased was a nice touch. Thanks for the unintentional laugh show! 

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I did love Heathers line bout selling her babies on the blackmarket because she was strapped for cash lol.Man I loved greedy Heather lol.

 

I loved how unapologetic and almost proud she was about it. "Oh no, I didn't give him up. I sold him on the black market."  I wish she had better writing because I really do enjoy RM.

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I'm enjoying Heather right now. She's much better when she's locked inside than when we're expected to believe she dug herself out of the ground (with stab wound to her neck to boot) or hauling Carly around.

 

I don't want them to say Lucky and Laura fake died, maybe the hostage idea though. It's annoying as hell but I don't want to watch Lulu and Bobbie and Liz cry over their off-screen fake deaths. Guza did this shit all the time (intervention without Bobbie and Laura, anyone?) so I'm used to it, even though it is in fact really annoying.

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I loved how unapologetic and almost proud she was about it. "Oh no, I didn't give him up. I sold him on the black market."  I wish she had better writing because I really do enjoy RM.

Yeah its too bad they do nothing but make her the angst for Francos lame love life.

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Sabrina:  And I want LOTS and LOTS of sex. Chocolate, and rocky road, and strawberry ...

Carlos:  SaBREEna, I keep telling you, that's ice cream.  We've had lots and lots of ice cream together.

 

And, yep, I'm not letting that ridiculous plot point go. Ever.

 

 

Nor should you.

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I wanted him to threaten to turn the van around if they didn't knock it off.

 

 

 

Julian: *Glares back through the rear-view mirror* Hey! Hey! Would you-you two what did I just say huh?? Cut it out or I swear I am turning around and taking us all back to lockup! Now is that what you both want, is it?! And for god's sake Sonny could you bother to give up two seconds of your precious time and give me a hand with them??

 

Sonny: *Mumbles* Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...naw, I'm good.

 

 

 

On the other, I feel better thinking of Robin at least having Laura and Lucky to hang with while in Helena's captivity.

 

 

 

Now there's a show I would be willing to tune in for happily. Maybe Lucky and Robin could give it a go for the heck of it.

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Now there's a show I would be willing to tune in for happily. Maybe Lucky and Robin could give it a go for the heck of it.

 

Yeeees!  And Laura would be psyched because she's possibly getting an awesome new daughter-in-law out of the deal.   

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Julian: *Glares back through the rear-view mirror* Hey! Hey! Would you-you two what did I just say huh?? Cut it out or I swear I am turning around and taking us all back to lockup! Now is that what you both want, is it?! And for god's sake Sonny could you bother to give up two seconds of your precious time and give me a hand with them??

 

Sonny: *Mumbles* Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...naw, I'm good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now there's a show I would be willing to tune in for happily. Maybe Lucky and Robin could give it a go for the heck of it.

 

 

Then we could get Rocky even if it is off screen.

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Once again I'm so confused. As of Friday, where are we supposed to think Luke is, who are we supposed to think Fluke is, and who is that corpse supposed to be?

 

I was trying (badly) to explain to someone the many convoluted explanations for this Fluke business, and the one thing I literally could not make parse was who the dead body in the basement might be. Is it Bill Eckert, who really did die a long time ago and his corpse somehow ended up there instead of in the grave that Shawn dug up? It is Luke himself, and it's actually Bill* who's been pretending to be Luke for all this time because of.....reasons, I guess? It is Pat, the seldom heard of sister, and something terrible happened to her because of Luke, causing his personality to finally fracture? Is Pat really alive, and she has been masquerading as her brother for reasons that Ron hasn't even thought of yet? Does Ron even know who the dead person is? I. Am. So. Confused!

 

*The person I was trying to explain the situation to pointed out that Bill being Luke would be a huge retcon, but she isn't familiar with ReRon's way of doing things yet.

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Once again I'm so confused. As of Friday, where are we supposed to think Luke is, who are we supposed to think Fluke is, and who is that corpse supposed to be?

I took it as Flue = Luke and all those conversations with Luke were in his head, while he was really talking to Bill's corpse.

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I think the corpse is Bill. I think the show may attempt to make us think it's Luke. It will probably try to fake us out several times even. I'll probably fall for it a couple of times lol.

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This whole Pat business is making the story unnecessarily convoluted.  At least Bill Eckert is a character that actually was onscreen and had actual story lines.  Not story lines most of us cared about, but still ...

 

 

ETA:  If it's Bill, shouldn't he be a complete skeleton now?  He's still pretty ... fleshy.   

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Whose basement is this supposed to be again?

 

The basement is in Luke and Bobbie's childhood home.

 

Even if Fluke is actually Luke in body, it still feels a little too rapey for my taste.

Mine too.

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In honor of Bill Eckert - life's lonely vagabond, a misunderstood man of fateful refinement, old beyond his years - I have once again changed my avatar.

I actually spit out a mouthful of almost-chewed bagel over this! Thanks, I needed that :D

 

ETA: I've been hate watching this for awhile now, but I'm at the point where I don't even do that, just an occasional peek after reading here. Sometimes.

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Once again I'm so confused. As of Friday, where are we supposed to think Luke is, who are we supposed to think Fluke is, and who is that corpse supposed to be?

 

I'm going with Pat, based on the length of the hair, since I think Bill Eckert was post-AG's afro. However, I have no explanation for why the hair is white.

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Did Roger Howarth totally stumble over Maurice Bernard's lines because Maurice can't talk fast enough? When they were in the cell it seemed like MB wasn't finished with his line and RH just said WTF and just said his next line. I still don't get why everyone wants to work with Bernard. He's beyond awful!!

No one has been in a scene with Luke & Fluke together, right? I don't count Dante because he was unconscious. So, I think Fluke is Luke and Luke is doing his Bruce Willis impersonation. I'm glad that Tony Geary was able to remind us that this storyline has been going on for a year. I had almost forgotten. <sarcasm>

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Did Roger Howarth totally stumble over Maurice Bernard's lines because Maurice can't talk fast enough? When they were in the cell it seemed like MB wasn't finished with his line and RH just said WTF and just said his next line. I still don't get why everyone wants to work with Bernard. He's beyond awful!!

 

I don't know why anyone would want to work with Howarth either.

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Tracy snarking at Michael about Jakeson was awesome. "A homeless indigent".

 

 

Tracy is the only bright spot on GH for this viewer lately. 

 

At the very least, Tony Geary does seem to be able to get most of his co-workers to step up in their acting (Lulu, Dante, Johnny, Michael) and I'd much rather the focus of this show center on Tony Geary any day of the week than have it centered on Maurice Bernard.  YMMV.

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This whole Pat business is making the story unnecessarily convoluted.  At least Bill Eckert is a character that actually was onscreen and had actual story lines.  Not story lines most of us cared about, but still ...

 

 

ETA:  If it's Bill, shouldn't he be a complete skeleton now?  He's still pretty ... fleshy.   

 

 

I think that the body is mummified.

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