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1 hour ago, AuxArx said:

Did Ned sign the marriage papers with the invisible ink?  They kept focusing on it, so it must be important.

It reminded me of when Ned married Lois but was already  married. I wondered if he didn't sign his legal "mayor" name, making the marriage null and void.

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7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

No—getting married was Michael's idea in the first place, or at least he's been the one pushing to get married now instead of later.

But since. Nellie doesn't know about Mikey's plan, she was probably worried that Carly's appearance would change his mind right?  I dunno, I just got suspicious when. Lucas said she and baby were perfectly fine.

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1 hour ago, JudgeyMcJudgyPants said:

f Michael were smart, he would just trick Nelle into thinking they were legally married and get her to admit that Carly didn’t push her down the stairs.  She would think that he wouldn’t be able to testify against her, due to spousal privilege but if they weren’t legally married; he could. Instead, we are being tortured by this inane plot by a bunch of morons.

Unless he were wearing a wire, don't know that would do much good.  I wouldn't put too much weight on that testimony if I was on a jury.

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27 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Michael has been pretty firm that he'll marry Nelle despite everyone's misgivings.

No one can mess with the plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn--regardless of how lame or ill-advised it might be.  He is his mother's son.

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37 minutes ago, AuxArx said:

Did Ned sign the marriage papers with the invisible ink?  They kept focusing on it, so it must be important.

That's what I thought as soon as Jason handed him the pen.  But didn't Nelle take that back?

If I never hear Carly again go on and on about what losing Morgan did to her, it still won't be enough.  LW has been doing that almost non-stop since Morgan died.

"She couldn't get me so she went after the next best thing, my wife."  God, Sonny, get over yourself.  As far as the DA knows, Carly tried to kill Nelle.

It's also ridiculous how every thinks it's okay for Carly to drug her nurse and break out of her cell at a psychiatric jail. For all Carly knew, Mary Pat could have been allergic to the drug.

When Bobbie told Ava to have some compassion for Carly after taking Avery, I wanted Ava to say "I'll have as much compassion for her as she has for me."

56 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I'm over Griffin.  I don't know why he is so hellbent on Carly, Sonny, and the band of merry mobsters always being in the right, but it has gotten old.

He could have been a romantic hero on the show. Instead he's just a limp dishrag.

22 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

He care more about who killed Morgan, plus Helena is dead. If Jason had the same widespread hate as he does the Jeromes, he'd blame Sam and Alexis for being Cassadines.

Jake was badly traumatized by Helena just because he's Jason's son.  Jason should have some concern for him, wanting to make sure that he's recovering and there aren't any lasting effects. Instead Jason's only concern is how Carly and Michael are doing. He's basically left Jake to the care of Liz and Franco and only drops in to look hurt that Jake is closer to Franco and Drew than he is to his bio-dad.

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I mean, I get Brad having a soft spot for a "redeemed" bad girl - see his far superior friendship with Britt - but yeah, at this point in his relationship/marriage with Lucas, he should have relationships with Carly and Bobbie that far outstrip any kind of friendship with Nelle.

I can't see Carly and Bobbie making time to have a relationship with Brad though. Would they invite him to family get-togethers?  Both of them seem too selfish to reach out to Lucas' husband.

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15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Instead he's just a limp dishrag.

Griffin is also a hypocrite.  Morals, shmorals.  Yet he acts superior to Ava.  And some of the responsibility for Duke's death is on mobbed-up Duke, not Julian. 

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18 hours ago, statsgirl said:

  But as far as I recall, Franco has treated Jake decently.  He's encouraged Jake in his art and other things, and just generally being there for Jake when he needs him. And Franco does want to do nice things for Liz and her kids even if often they're seflish.

 

Is there any relationship on the show for Jake to aspire to?

The first problem is, Jake was a vulnerable patient when Franco got to know him and he clearly wanted to get close to the kid and his mother, Elizabeth, because of their connection to Jason.

The second problem (which is associated with Franco's crimes) is he said to Elizabeth: "You make me a better." She then told him it wasn't her job to make him better, and not to come home. Well, it's even more not Jake's job to make Franco better.  The kid has been through enough in life; he shouldn't be one of the two people a sociopath focuses on for redemption. He deserves a normal childhood.  He more or less admitted when he hastily proposed to Liz in the hospital some months ago that he wanted to get married so he'd have as much say in decisions about Jake's life as Jason ... or almost as much.

Jake could aspire to Molly and TJ's relationship, Mac and Felicia's relationship, and up until recently, Drew and Sam's. It was established that he was comfortable with the Drew, Sam, and Danny family dynamic. 

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3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

But didn't the birth mother go into labor today, isn't that what Brad said?

No.  He said she had her final check up and that everything was fine and on track.  

3 hours ago, Linny said:

Guess she can't give birth until Lucas and Brad's baby is due and we finally see how these stories dovetail (whatever happens, please let it be good for Lucas and Brad).

I'm now wondering if she's switch the babies so that if Michael does leave her and take the baby, she'll know that he doesn't have the Benson/Corinthos/Quartermain but some rando baby.  Then she can hang out with Brad and help parent her own child.  

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

That's what I thought as soon as Jason handed him the pen.  But didn't Nelle take that back?

I guess Spinelli could have whipped up another one just for the occasion (maybe Ned is in on it, too).

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3 hours ago, AuxArx said:

Did Ned sign the marriage papers with the invisible ink?  They kept focusing on it, so it must be important.

I kept thinking he just wasn't going to file the paperwork, so that they wouldn't legally be married, but invisible ink would be funnier.  Although I thought Ava or Nelle herself had the pen last.  

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3 hours ago, JudgeyMcJudgyPants said:

If Michael were smart, he would just trick Nelle into thinking they were legally married and get her to admit that Carly didn’t push her down the stairs.  She would think that he wouldn’t be able to testify against her, due to spousal privilege but if they weren’t legally married; he could. Instead, we are being tortured by this inane plot by a bunch of morons.

But spousal privilege doesn't mean a spouse can't voluntarily testify against the other, it simply means they cannot be compelled to do it.  Not that I expect the writers to get that right.

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50 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

"She couldn't get me so she went after the next best thing, my wife."  God, Sonny, get over yourself. 

LOL. The essence of Sonny: It's always all about him. I also loved how everyone tried to excuse Carly's escape because she has a son! Who's going to make a terrible mistake! What else was she supposed to do, sit by and watch him make the biggest mistake of his life? That reasoning is as dumb as Sonny not being able to go to jail because of his claustrophobia. Thank Jasus that Jordan mentioned Carly had drugged the nurse and Jordan had no choice but to arrest Carly. 

51 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

When Bobbie told Ava to have some compassion for Carly after taking Avery, I wanted Ava to say "I'll have as much compassion for her as she has for me."

Ugh, and then Debbie Downer comes in and tries to persuade Ava that Carly isn't crazy. Shut up, Griffin.

Francesca—that nurse or ob resident—had on more makeup than Nelle, and Nelle was the one getting married.

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3 hours ago, AuxArx said:

Did Ned sign the marriage papers with the invisible ink?  They kept focusing on it, so it must be important.

I kept thinking he just wasn't going to file the paperwork, so that they wouldn't legally be married, but invisible ink would be funnier. 

I think there's something about the license that isn't entirely correct, so if/when something happens to Michael and Nelle claims to be his widow, or she sues him for a huge chunk of the Quartermaine fortune or something, the license will be proof the marriage wasn't legal. The closeup on Ned signing it was so anvilicious it has to mean something like that.

"So this plan of Michael's? It better kick in before Carly gets in too deep." Yes, Sonny, whatever happens to Michael will be a shame, but the real issue here is how it will affect Carly.

5 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

But spousal privilege doesn't mean a spouse can't voluntarily testify against the other, it simply means they cannot be compelled to do it. 

There's also something called marital communications privilege, where a spouse "shall not be required, or, without consent of the other if living, allowed, to disclose a confidential communication made by one to the other during marriage.” So if charges were brought against Nelle, Michael couldn't say anything unless she said it was okay, and I can't see that happening. 

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14 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

But spousal privilege doesn't mean a spouse can't voluntarily testify against the other, it simply means they cannot be compelled to do it.  Not that I expect the writers to get that right.

It depends on the jurisdiction and specific privilege as to which spouse holds the privilege.  There are two spousal privileges, the Spousal Testimony Privelege and the Spousal Communications Privilege.

The Spousal Testimony Privilege is a criminal matter privilege and states that a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against his or her spouse on any subject, including conduct which occurred and communications prior to the marriage, as long as the two remain married.  It is generally held by the testifying spouse, but some jurisdictions also allows the defendant spouse to invoke the privilege.   When the defendant spouse is allowed to invoke the privilege, there is usually an exception for criminal matters in which the defendant spouse is accused of committing a crime against the testifying spouse or their children/children in their care.

However, the Spousal Communication Privilege is always held by the communicating spouse and survives the marriage, i.e. is still in place after divorce.   Spousal Communication Privilege applies only to communications made during the marriage. It does not cover communications made before the couple married.

 

 

Or what dubbel zout said. 

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11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The closeup on Ned signing it was so anvilicious it has to mean something like that.

That, and later on, when he was with Lulu and Olivia and he said he'd file them in the morning and the camera stayed on them way longer than necessary. Something is up with those papers.  

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2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

That's what I thought as soon as Jason handed him the pen.  But didn't Nelle take that back?

 

It's not like that isn't the only pen that has invisible ink. We know that Jason was adamant that Michael should not marry Nelle. Why would Jason be walking around with a nice looking pen.

I could see him asking Spinelli to getting one of those pens for just that moment. However if Carly didn't interrupt the wedding and Nelle wasn't taken to the hospital, did Jason have a plan to hand the pen during the ceremony. And if there was invisible ink of the marriage licence, that doesn't stop Ned from signing it later when he files the paperwork.

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I can buy that Michael's plaaaaaaan was to have the papers signed in disappearing ink and then she'll find they're not really married.  Which sounds very lame to me because wouldn't Nelle have a case of fraud against Michael for not really marrying her?

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL. The essence of Sonny: It's always all about him. I also loved how everyone tried to excuse Carly's escape because she has a son! Who's going to make a terrible mistake! What else was she supposed to do, sit by and watch him make the biggest mistake of his life? That reasoning is as dumb as Sonny not being able to go to jail because of his claustrophobia. Thank Jasus that Jordan mentioned Carly had drugged the nurse and Jordan had no choice but to arrest Carly. 

Ugh, and then Debbie Downer comes in and tries to persuade Ava that Carly isn't crazy. Shut up, Griffin.

But if Carly isn't really crazy, then doesn't that just make it even worse? She lied about being crazy to get out of an attempted murder conviction.

And they still continue to treat Michael, thirtysomething and the CEO of a billion dollar corporation, like he's 12, and then  it because he's making a mistake.

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"I can't let our son marry a MURDERER!!!" says Carly to her husband Sonny, the mass murderer. She then gets back to the nuthouse after drugging a nurse and threatens the orderly with...you guessed it....murder! Do these writers ever reread what they put down? She drugs a nurse, potentially killing her, she didn't know how Mary Pat would react, and doesn't bat an eyelash because she has to go save her fully grown ass son from his own plan. The whole Nelle take down story is epically stupid, and boring, and who told TPTB that we are rooting for St Jasus and the Corinthii?! Now they're going to stick it to the DA we've seen all of ten minutes of because she has the nerve to do her job and rid the streets of criminals. I know its long gone, and I'm preaching to the choir here, but I just really miss GH. Watching now takes "hate-watching" to new heights. 

Oh look theres Jake with Jason in the preview having some nice father, son bonding time, FINALLY. Jake to Jason: "Do you think Sam is worth fighting for?" *...Deep breaths. Count back from ten...*

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So Carly, an escaped mental patient, bursts in ranting, yet Chase stands there like a turnip, until he is officially called?  How does he know that Carly isn't going to grab the wedding cake knife and stab Nelle to death? 

I would expect Ned to have a pen, or the last person he would ask for a pen from would be Jason.  Does this mean that Jason recruited Ned in his plan?  Would that mean Jason trusts Ned? Weird. 

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Yeah, the “signed” marriage certificate was so obviously invisible ink. “Does anyone have a pen? I don’t have a pen?” I’m assuming they are going to gaslight. Kind of cruel since she’s pregnant but you gotta do what you gotta do. That said, I’m still trying to figure when CL is leaving? Is it real soon or when they announced  her leaving it was a month or so from that point?! I know they started a 3 week break in July. So, is the storyline ending this month? 

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Let's say that the pen has invisible ink and it disappears by the morning when Ned goes to file it.  So either Ned notices and signs it again or he's in on the con.

But unless Michael can figure out a way to take full custody of that baby, he's still going to have to support Nelle through child support which is going to be huge given how wealthy he is. And Nelle can still sue  him for fraud if he refuses to go through the marriage again.

It still seems like a stupid plaaaaan to me.

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2 hours ago, CharethCutestory said:

Oh look theres Jake with Jason in the preview having some nice father, son bonding time, FINALLY. Jake to Jason: "Do you think Sam is worth fighting for?" *...Deep breaths. Count back from ten...*

 

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Shouldn't Jake be telling Drew to fight for Sam? Drew continues to be a better father to him (helping him with his homework)  than Jason

Since when does Jake want Jason to be with Sam? He doesn't even like Jason and I find it hard to believe we are expected to think that Jake doesn't have a problem with Sam these days when he was creepy towards her last year/two years ago for trying to break up his faaamily with Jake Doe and Liz. Those therapy sessions with Franco must have cured him! I also love how Jason has this perplexed look on his face wondering why this child is talking to him about a matter that doesn't concern him. I'm still not sure if JaSam is supposed to be the endgame but if it is they might want to pull their actors aside because neither Kelly nor Steve act like they want to be in the same scene with each other much less in a romantic relationship. And I find it unbelievably gross that Jason has no initiative to "fight for Sam" or be a father to his children on his own, he constantly has to be pushed into it by others. Mostly Carly and Spinelli. 

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4 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Since when does Jake want Jason to be with Sam? He doesn't even like Jason and I find it hard to believe we are expected to think that Jake doesn't have a problem with Sam these days when he was creepy towards her last year/two years ago for trying to break up his faaamily with Jake Doe and Liz.

Maybe you answered your own question.  He doesn't like either one of them, so if they get together, he can concentrate on breaking up Franco and Elizabeth and getting Elizabeth and Drew together.  Shouldn't be too difficult for a kid who has apparently offed both his brothers with nobody even noticing.

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16 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

And by the way, Sonny and Jason JUST NOW came up with the idea of trying to find something on DA Elizabeth Hendrickson?  Crack job, team.

And THIS will make the sentence against Carly go away....thats-not-how-this-works-thats-not-howan

And it better not be revenge porn.

 

 

Mikkos Cassadine: I froze Port Charles and held the world hostage.

 

Cesar Faison: I terrorized Port Charles and evaded the WSB for decades.

 

Ava: I called the police on Carly after she escaped from a maximum insane asylum and showed up at her son's wedding.

 

Mikkos and Cesar: YOU MONSTER!

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3 hours ago, Katy M said:

Shouldn't be too difficult for a kid who has apparently offed both his brothers with nobody even noticing.

Well, SORASed Cameron is a thing now, although so far he's only been on one day two weeks ago.  Way to give a newly aged character some momentum, General Hospital. Anyone who missed the July 3 episode is probably going to have no idea who he is the next time he appears.

I cannot remember the last time Aiden appeared.  

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11 hours ago, statsgirl said:

But if Carly isn't really crazy, then doesn't that just make it even worse? She lied about being crazy to get out of an attempted murder conviction.

It's not worse, because Carly was Protecting Her Son. That excuses everything.

11 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Shouldn't Jake be telling Drew to fight for Sam? Drew continues to be a better father to him (helping him with his homework)  than Jason

Yes, he certainly should. The Jason/Sam propping is out of control, as usual. I always wonder when this happens: Are the writers so insecure about a couple that they do this? Because I shouldn't need some traumatized tween telling me who to root for.

11 hours ago, ciarra said:

Would that mean Jason trusts Ned?

Taking down Nelle makes for strange bedfellows. I can see Jason and Ned agreeing to work together because it's for the Holy Child.

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1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

Well, SORASed Cameron is a thing now, although so far he's only been on one day two weeks ago.  Way to give a newly aged character some momentum, General Hospital. Anyone who missed the July 3 episode is probably going to have no idea who he is the next time he appears.

I cannot remember the last time Aiden appeared.  

Obviously, Jake sent Cameron off to Helena and she replaced him with a SORASed version.  I don't care if she's dead or not, if she is.  I don't care so much, I don't even know.  And, he's put some kind of mind control over the whole town, so nobody even remembers Aiden.  Jake's raising him in the basement to take revenge on the whole town.  Because he's psycho.  

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Yes, he certainly should. The Jason/Sam propping is out of control, as usual.

Just wait til Jake tells Jason "I always knew that other guy wasn't really my father.  There was just something off about the whole thing."

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

The Jason/Sam propping is out of control, as usual. I always wonder when this happens: Are the writers so insecure about a couple that they do this?

You've seen Jason and Sam together. The writers need all the help they can get.

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The diehard fans of Sam/Jason and Sam/Drew won't change their minds, and I think the rest of the viewers won't care one way or the other who she ends up with. (I won't, though I think Sam works better with Drew at this point. And KeMo seems mildly more awake when she's with BM.) So why such a hard sell, dragging in Jake, of all people, who's a child and really shouldn't be involved in propping like this? Are the writers still trying to figure out who Sam should be with? Ugh, just decide and get on with it. It's going to be dumb and badly written no matter what.

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3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Well, SORASed Cameron is a thing now, although so far he's only been on one day two weeks ago.  Way to give a newly aged character some momentum, General Hospital. Anyone who missed the July 3 episode is probably going to have no idea who he is the next time he appears.

Liz's friend Terry has also yet to reappear.  I mean, you don't want to overdose the audience on a new character, but that's not really how you launch them onto the canvas either.

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I think they want the JaSam shippers to get all swooney and think how romantic it is that even Jason's son recognizesthat Sam is the love of his life.

But it's being written like this because SBu is putting zero effort into playing Jason like he's seriously trying to woo Sam.

She suddenly decided that Drew was forcing her to be something she isn't and got a super quick and easy divorce. Now we've had a couple of scenes of them happy being exes and the stage is set for JaSam without SBu having to move a muscle. There is zero tension or suspence in it hence Jake having to provide it.

I wonder if they are going to tease Drew with Margaux just to make sure the field is completely free for Jason.

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1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

I wonder if they are going to tease Drew with Margaux just to make sure the field is completely free for Jason.

Ugh, watch that happen and Sonny and Carly start screaming at him.  "How DARE you betray us like this, even though we disavowed you as fast as we could when we found out you weren't a Jason 100% devoted to us."

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59 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Yes, he certainly should. The Jason/Sam propping is out of control, as usual. I always wonder when this happens: Are the writers so insecure about a couple that they do this? Because I shouldn't need some traumatized tween telling me who to root for.

It sounds like you expect the writers to come up with a story that justifies their reunion instead of just having other characters insisting that it's fate - that's just crazy talk.

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47 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Liz's friend Terry has also yet to reappear.  I mean, you don't want to overdose the audience on a new character, but that's not really how you launch them onto the canvas either.

Which makes that whole storyline annoying, in my opinion.  Of all the ways they could have tackled this topic, they decided to go with a question and answer session and then have the character go away.  Just makes it seem preachy to me. They could have just done a storyline about how she is just like everybody else or have a storyline about her struggles in society and how she and those who love her respond.  Instead, they have Franco asking questions, her responding, and then out the door she goes.

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13 hours ago, LexieLily said:

And I find it unbelievably gross that Jason has no initiative to "fight for Sam"

Jason has always been known for “letting women go” because he “wants them to be happy.” He just doesn’t fight like that. He never has. Just like he hasn’t had a desire to have sex since 1999.

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17 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

She suddenly decided that Drew was forcing her to be something she isn't and got a super quick and easy divorce. Now we've had a couple of scenes of them happy being exes and the stage is set for JaSam without SBu having to move a muscle. There is zero tension or suspence in it hence Jake having to provide it.

I didn't watch any of the episodes from last week, but the way KeMo and BW played their scenes together, I was half expecting that they would get it on Sonny's nasty couch.

But I agree. Jason did nothing. He didn't lift a finger to try and get Sam back. Everything was up to her and I wish she had decided to stay with Drew.

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Is it true that VA (Jordan) is leaving and being recast?  Or was that a dodgy site I read it on?  I can see VA wanting to leave with all this apologizing for re-arresting Carly, and the endless apologizing for Thomas.  They never gave her much to work with. 

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

I didn't watch any of the episodes from last week, but the way KeMo and BW played their scenes together, I was half expecting that they would get it on Sonny's nasty couch.

Yeah a clip from this scene randomly popped up in my Instagram search and while I could tell, based on the awful dialogue, this was meant to be the "Drew and Sam have a friendly exes conversation to allow Sam especially to move on back to Jason with no guilt whatsoever", I couldn't figure out why KeMo and Billy through their body language was playing the scene like they still wanted to bang each other. Like seriously, what was that kiss to Sam's shoulder?

If I'm being honest, a part of me did laugh at the fact that it likely pissed off some JaSam fans and gave them more fodder to say that the actors are deliberately trying to torpedo the Jason/Sam storyline. Whatever, they have their passionless and sexless Jason and Sam reunion to look forward to. Or hey, who knows, maybe in the next few weeks, Burton and KeMo might suddenly look like they physically enjoy being next to each other. 

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1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

I mean, you don't want to overdose the audience on a new character, but that's not really how you launch them onto the canvas either.

This show is so erratic: We either get the newbies forced down our throats à la Sabrina, or they show up once and disappear for months. The Terry thing is irksome because Elizabeth made a point of saying she was looking forward to working together at GH, and of course there's been nothing.

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56 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I wonder if they are going to tease Drew with Margaux just to make sure the field is completely free for Jason.

Ugh, watch that happen and Sonny and Carly start screaming at him.  "How DARE you betray us like this, even though we disavowed you as fast as we could when we found out you weren't a Jason 100% devoted to us."

"We knew we couldn't trust you!" Ugh, indeed.

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Jason: I'm sorry it took this long to finally get you your birthday tickets to the Memorial Day game Jake.

Drew to Jake:  We must have spent a thousand hours practicing.

No wonder Jake picked Franco and then Drew to go with him rather than Jason. It sounds like Jason hasn't spent time with his son since his birthday. Meanwhile Franco is pushing Jake to spend more time with Jason and Drew is there to practicing catching with him.

It was a nice swerve that Jake was talking about a player Sam and not Sam-Sam. I underestimated the writers.

The Margaux/Drew meet cute was good. It helps that they put more energy into it than KM/SBu ever do into JaSam.

Best thing:  Maxie telling off Valentin for not "doing the math" about Peter and Faison.

55 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Is it true that VA (Jordan) is leaving and being recast?  Or was that a dodgy site I read it on?  I can see VA wanting to leave with all this apologizing for re-arresting Carly, and the endless apologizing for Thomas.  They never gave her much to work with. 

I don't know about the recast but VA got the lead role in a CBC drama as a legal aid lawyer in the Black community in Sydney.  It's a really big deal in Canada.

I think the show didn't want to backburner Jordan while she's shooting that show  as the wedding stuff is heating up so they'll recast.

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I think today's take-home message is supposed to be "Jake is closer to Franco and Drew because they were around when Jason wasn't," but that doesn't work for me as it's only partially true. Jason has been home for nine months, which is ample time for him and Jake to get past the awkward "getting to know each other" stage. He could be the one receiving warm hugs from Jake and the one Jake eagerly makes plans with. After nine months time, Jason shouldn't be listening to Jake talk about the emotional struggle he faced upon his return to Liz as if it's the first time he's heard about it; Jason should have enough curiosity and concern for his own child to have learned these things by now. I'm not sitting here thinking "poor Jason, he's missed so much," when the real issue is, why is Jason continuing to miss out on his child's life when he doesn't have to?

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