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  1. I agree. Especially since part of their story is the fact that Benedict spent the two year period after their initial meeting hoping to find her and just begun to believe he never would when he re-met Sophie so that his lingering but muted dream of the woman from the ball informed their relationship. Likewise, by the time they do Benedict's book, they should introduce Francesca's first husband if they plan to follow her book. As for combining stories, It might work. Romancing, To Sir Philip, and When He was Wicked occur in overlapping time. So, if they don't combine them, the timing will have to be shifted or it will appear the siblings live in separate worlds. Or, they could do them like the books and simply have three seasons in which, while following only one story, the elements of the simultaneous stories are in the background. On the upside, about 5 years elapse between Benedict's book and the three above. Gregory is just out of school and by this time so he should be an adult... or if they decided to have the adaptations take place sequentially rather than simultaneously, time period, he could be away in school to avoid addressing his aging from teen to adult by having him away at school. He really only figures into To Sir anyway and mostly for Eloise to mock his 22 year old self for trying to imply he has some role as a protective brother.
  2. I had the same impression. Her Empire waistline appeared to be extra high often cutting across the widest area of her chest at the breast. This had the effect of making her look shapeless by obscuring her breasts and also creating a wider skirt. It turned her into a barrel shape at the widest possible point of her body. Placed even a few inches lower, the Empire waist accents the bust and would create a narrower skirt designed to skim past the hips rather than tent around them. I think it was both. I recently re-read Romancing Mr. Bridgerton and she says she lost nearly two stone. A stone is approximately 14 lbs. So she likely lost at least 25 lbs. When she reached 25ish (I think) her mother also began letting her choose her own clothes as she had given up hope that Penelope might marry. This freed Penelope to choose more flattering colors and designs (mostly less frilly and cooler tones) instead of endless "happy" yellow and variations of oranges.
  3. They live across the square from one another. She didn't have to do more than sneak out of her house. It still wouldn't be proper. But visiting her across the way best friend is not too risky or out there.
  4. From the Whistledown thread: I just read the book in which this is revealed. As I understand it, Penelope didn't initiate or coordinate the publication herself. She began writing little somewhat snarky summaries of the events she witnessed and gossip she overheard as a way to amuse herself during her first season in which she was very young, a little chubby, and socially awkward in the company of crowds and/or strangers. She spent all her time on the periphery and this was what she did as an outlet for her frustrations. One day when she was home alone, she left her writing out in the sitting room while she left the room momentarily and during her absence, the family solicitor came into the room, noticed the writings and read them. When Pen returned he was chuckling over her comments and told her she should publish. He became her go between. He contacted the publisher, came up with the plan to hand out the first two weeks of columns for free and delivered the columns to the publisher while collecting her payment and creating an account for her. It wasn't until Pen was in her mid 20s that she handled any of the logistics herself.
  5. Yeah, it's super dumb they way it's presented in the show. A 17 year old girl would not have been able to commandeer her family carriage in the middle of the evening, especially not without being detected by someone in her own household. Involving one loyal servant in a plan might work. Involving multiple had almost no chance of continued secrecy. As far as the contract goes, I don't know the exact answer for 19th Century UK. But even in this country, contracting with a minor, historically, has been "voidable" but not "void." Essentially, that meant that an underage person could execute a contract, but a the minor or their guardian could void the contract until at least the age a majority. However, in this case, even without a formal contract, if the publisher wanted her to keep writing they would pay her because if they did not she would have no reason to bring another column. I will take this response to the Book thread.
  6. I understand that. I was responding to someone who commented on the (admittedly out there idea) that Lady F pass the baby off as her own with a comment that it would hard for Lady F to do so in light of Marina's coloring, and presumably the baby's coloring (setting aside the fact that Marina is rather light skinned and the Cranes are apparently white and phenotype genes are weird). The same post then went on to say that it would also be hard to pass the baby off as the old guy's. I was just remarking on the fact that, to the extent that complexion would be considered, it would not be relevant where Marina were the acknowledged mother. ETA: For clarity, I believe a child born within a marriage was legitimate at birth unless the father denied the child at birth. Once a child was accepted as legitimate, the father could not change his mind later.
  7. Substitute "croquet" for "cricket" in that it was a game with mallets, assigned balls, and wickets, essentially this. I will add that there is delightful degree of trash talk between the siblings.
  8. I cannot speak for the person who posted the comment nor their motives. But I didn't interpret it as a comment on Marina or an attempt to make her seem unsympathetic. Marina, though a party to her own situation, was definitely not more than naive. Her George, though apparently willing to do the honorable thing, would have definitely been far more knowledgeable than Marina (even a country girl who might glean minimal understanding would have been generally as woefully under informed about sex and pregnancy as any other girl of her class). And the sod took off for the war without marrying her despite having to know pregnancy was at least a possibility. #NoSympathyForDumbDeadGeorge As I read it, pointing out that Lady F's had reasons for her actions were not more than just that. Time was certainly of the essence and Marina was doggedly determined to wait on George. From Lady F's perspective, George had not replied to Marina in more weeks than was reasonable to wait and continuing with what she view as a fantasy was wasting what time Marina had. She had no idea he was dead. In fact, if she or Marina had known he was dead, it would likely have led to the same actions.* Neither of them had any notion Sir Philip was out there with the intent of honoring his brother's obligations.*(I will not rehash the reasons Lady F was not in a position to nor in possession of any reasonable arguments to contact Sir Philip even if there was such a hope.) To Lady F, the forged letter was a means of hastening a realization that she believe Marina would have to come to eventually but appeared likely to take too much time in reaching. So what she did was practical, if heartless and even cruel. It does not diminish the harshness or cruelty of her act. Nor does it absolve her of her duplicity; it merely explains it as the result of being jaded as opposed to intrinsically born of malice or villainy. It paints her as a deeply flawed person rather than a caricature. *Marina herself noted that it was ultimately immaterial when Penelope showed her evidence that the letter was forged. Absent George coming back and marrying her, she had very few options.
  9. Agreed. For me, that book survived primarily on the charm (some of which was residual from her appearances in prior books) of Eloise. There was nothing wrong with Phillip. But the story is not terribly deep or active. It might make a decent 2hr TV movie of the Catherine Cookson adaptation variety from the 80s and early 90s, but certainly not a season. And it's location would make it difficult to combine with other stories. This is not Game of Throne where it will work bouncing from location to location. The action happens in London.
  10. From the Episode Threads: Same. This is one of the reasons I really hope they change Eloise's love interest. I mean, it doesn't seem like it was their initial intention in writing this since here was no reason to tell this story using Marina and Philip since they changed almost everything about them. But at this point, Holy Shit that girl went through it. I don't like everything that she did, but her situation was awful and she suffered the loss of her first love and father of her child twice, first in being made to believe he'd never loved her and abandoned her and then again with learning of his death. I really don't want to see her come to a further tragic end, much less becoming as Marina is describe (always melancholy as long as Philip has known her) for the remainder of her days.
  11. Ah, okay. So you meant that she knew them by sight and where they lived. But again, as noted above, it would be a gross breach in protocol with no reasonable expectation that it would do anything other than expose Marina to scandal. Granted, Marina was eventually exposed to scandal. But Lady F could no more have anticipated that than she could expect a letter from her to the Cranes would 1) be received 2) be believed and 3) make any difference in light of George's apparent lack of response.
  12. I brought it up. It was the subject of my sentence prior to "But who knows?" However, I will acknowledge that I could have been clearer. My point was the Lady F had no reason to know that there was a Sir Philip out there with a letter from his elder brother indicating his desire to marry Marina. So even in a world in which Lady F could contact the Cranes, she had absolutely no reason to believe there was any upside to contacting them if George, the title holder and head of the family, did not choose to contact her himself. You made a statement made above that it was obvious "Marina knew the Cranes." (Emphasis mine.) In my first response wherein I quoted this I pointed out that it is not clear that Marina knew the Cranes, only that she knew George Crane. In fact, Philip's inability to locate her without receiving the communications initiated by Daphne, indicates that he did not know her. If they were acquainted, locating her in London for the Season would have been something he would have accomplished relatively easily either through local gossip or discrete inquiries through his solicitor.
  13. What? Philip had the unfinished letter. He brought it with him to Marina. I said we don't know what would have been done without the letter. So it is not what happened. And no, Lady F could not have written to the Cranes and said "Miss Marina Thomson, an unmarried woman, would like to correspond with Sir George Crane. Please direct our inquiries to him." For one thing, thing Marina had his contact information. She had been corresponding with him and he had responded at least once since that is how Lady F got a exemplar. And unmarried ladies were not permitted correspond with any non-relative male to whom they were not engaged without it being a scandal in and of itself. Again, it appears that Marina did not know this family. Philip did not know how to locate her based upon the unfinished letter directed to her. If he had known Marina Thompson, he would have known how to locate her.
  14. Phillip apparently had his brother's letters and had done for some time. Several weeks elapsed between when Marina wrote to George and when Lady F forged a letter. It was my understanding that Phillip came to the Featherington house after Daphne made inquiries through her acquaintance with the General and his wife. The implication is that Phillip didn't know who the Marina in his brother's letter was and/or didn't have access to information about her, something he would have if they were acquainted and lived in the same community. Someone of his acquaintance would have mentioned that Miss Marina Thompson was in London with distant cousins. Or a discreet inquiry to the family solicitor would have provided him the information. Also, I'm not certain what you are suggesting Lady F do. Write to the Crane family (with whom she was not acquainted) and tell them Marina was pregnant with George's baby and he had failed to marrying her? Yikes. That would not have been done. Lady F didn't know George was dead. All she knew was that, apparently, he hadn't responded to Marina's letter. I'm not sure what making an appeal to his family was supposed to have done. Phillip apparently felt honor bound because it was not only his brother's child, but a child said brother had intended to legitimize and raise. If nothing else, Phillip might feel that, were the child to be a boy, he, Phillip, had inadvertently usurped his brother's intended heir by an accident of fate. It's possible Phillip would have felt the same obligation to his brother's child even without the letter. But who knows? Either way, Lady F would have had even less reason to believe the Crane family would assist Marina than that George might.
  15. It's established that Marina knew George Crane. It does not necessarily follow that she knew anyone else in his family. Their relationship was apparently not generally known even as a friendship. In fact, that Sir Philip was unable to locate Marina indicates that he and his family were not familiar with with the Thompsons. It seems unlikely that they would not have at least some degree of acquaintance both being gentry from the same area, but the show told us that Sir Philip did not know where she was. So he did not have access to the information that Marina was in London for the season or who with.
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