S06.E01: Keep It Moving

[Tatum]

I was really pissed when Delta Dawn was pontificating to Leah on the way to family court about how it shouldn't be about hurting your ex, it should be about caring about what's best for your kids.

OK, Dawn, people smarter than you have had difficulty accepting that their kids have addictions, so I will cut you a little slack and assume you honestly believe Leah is the best caregiver for your grandkids. But to even hint that Corey is doing this to spite Leah is ridiculous and incredibly insulting to Corey.

Exactly what, Dawn, would make you assume that Corey had anything less than the girls' best interests at heart? When he and Leah moved in together and Corey supported them because YOU didn't have room for Leah and the twins in your trailer? Or when Corey moved out but continued to pay the rent for Leah and the twins because the girls still needed a place to live and a full time caregiver and it wasn't their fault Leah was an ungrateful bitch?

Or when he refused to say anything bad about Leah after their divorce even though Leah was slinging mud with the best of them? Or when he let Leah have her pick of the appliances when they moved out because she had the girls? Or any of the thousands of times he's offered to help Leah by taking the girls on her time so she can have a break? Really, Dawn, what has Corey ever done that suggests he's at all vindictive towards Leah? Oh yeah, nothing.

[zenme]

Tatum, if I could like your post 1000x, I would.  Corey has thus far been the wiser of the teen dads.  He's behaved better, and handled the situation more maturely, than many men twice his age

[HeySandyStrange]

OK, Dawn, people smarter than you have had difficulty accepting that their kids have addictions, so I will cut you a little slack and assume you honestly believe Leah is the best caregiver for your grandkids. But to even hint that Corey is doing this to spite Leah is ridiculous and incredibly insulting to Corey.

 

 

More observant TM2 watchers then me have noted that Delta Dawn never seemed to like Corey all that much. I think Dawn has it in her head that Leah was always too good for Corey and how dare he leave her sweet, innocent little girl? Of course it is the other way around, Corey and his family are much better people then the trashy Messers,  but somehow Dawn has her blinders on BAD when it comes to Leah.  The only person on team Leah I've ever seen try to talk sense to her is Lee, her step dad, insofar as he's maintained that Leah and Corey need to work together for the girls' sakes.

 

I'm sure Jeremy will be thrown under the bus as well when they get to the point in the season where the officially break up.

Edited July 12, 2015 by HeySandyStrange

[CourtneyCourt]

Did Jenelle have some work done on her face? I was watching the show and kept thinking something was different about her. After rewatch ing a couple of old episodes, it seems like her chin isn't as long as it used to be and her lips look fatter. Did anyone else notice this?

Yes, she definitely got her lips done. Posted a pic on Instagram after she got them done. Also did something to her eyebrows that everyone complimented her on. Idk...my brows are thin from back in the era of when thin brows were cool so I'm not sure what issue was exactly.

[BucFan]

Dibs on Butch!  I like 'em lean.

roflmao :) :)

[FlowerofCarnage]

Yes, she definitely got her lips done. Posted a pic on Instagram after she got them done. Also did something to her eyebrows that everyone complimented her on. Idk...my brows are thin from back in the era of when thin brows were cool so I'm not sure what issue was exactly.

 

Money for lips but can't pay Barb child support?

[Shelby]

I'm sure Jeremy will be thrown under the bus as well when they get to the point in the season where the officially break up.

Since the break-up is done and in the past, and I won't be sending them bad juju, I have to say I am really going to enjoy watching Leah blow up another marriage. What delightful summer trash TV.

Edited July 12, 2015 by Shelby

[StatisticalOutlier]

Not only has Corey behaved admirably, he's done so despite getting what I consider to the rawest deal of any of the teen dads*.  IIRC, he and Leah weren't really even dating--more like she crooked her finger his way after she and Robby broke up, and after some whoopie in his truck, this person Corey barely knows is pregnant with his child.  Make that twins.  Make that twins, one of whom is disabled.  He tries to do the right thing, and is rewarded with an ex-wife who is not only stupid but a drug addict, and in charge of his kids. 

 

Poor damn bastard.  One night of passion massively, completely changed his life. I just can't imagine.

 

 

*Actually, I suppose it could be argued that Farah's baby daddy Derek got a pretty raw deal seeing as how he's dead and all, but then again that saved him from a life with Farah so who's to say?

[lilmarysunshine]

- Also Leah - she looked totally high to me in the court scene too. She was having to work REALLY REALLY hard to focus on what the lawyer was saying about, you know, getting the kids to school on time. Also WTF Leah, I don't know of anything that's prescribed for "migraines" that makes you THAT out of it.  The migraine itself might completely knock you out, but not whatever prescription drug you're taking for it. I thought it was funny how the lawyer kept talking about her taking a drug test and how she wouldn't fail for anything she was prescribed.

 

 

I have taken a couple of prescription medications for migraines. They can make me sleepy if I am just sitting on the sofa. All I want to do is sleep. But if I'm at work or moving around and that's not an option?  I'm totally with it mentally. Just feel fatigued. (And, btw, these aren't analgesics for pain. They are to treat the actual cause and the headache goes away.)

 

She is coming across as such a druggie. How do these people in her life not see it? Jeremy leaves *his* kid with her for a week at a time?  No way would I trust her.

[politichick]

I didn't see anything weird or creepy about Cole. He was on camera for about 2 minutes so it's hard to get any opinion of him. As for him being awkward and artificial, I think anybody would be that way their first time being filmed for a national TV show.

Chelsea and Aubree both seem happy and that's all that matters.

As for the boyfriend stuff..She's 5, it's a normal, natural thing. After my daughter met my cousin's boyfriend, every man in her life became her boyfriend. It's a sweet endearment for a 5 year old. My daughter is now a normal, happily married mother of 2 so her having "boyfriends" as a 5 year old didn't harm her at all.

It's creepy that anybody would attach anything weird to something so innocent.

Almost 30 years ago, I was a 22 year old widow with 2 young kids. I met a guy and fell head over heels in love. we moved in together about 10 days after we met. We've been together ever since so I have nothing to say about them moving in together. I say if it feels right, do it. Chelsea is a good mom. I'm not worried about them.

I thought he seemed like a nice guy, too, and is definitely a far cry from the sleaze bag and prematurely aging baby daddy. I did a little google just now and learned that Cole has a college degree and is a traffic control specialist. They'd also been dating a year when they decided to move in together.

 

I know Kailyn is a shady bitch but Javi was acting like a little bitch. He agreed to pick up the kid and should have just kept his word and argued with his cow of a wife later or stood up and said i'm going to pick him up because i already agreed to and  I don't want to ruin your friends' weekend but don't dare come at me like that again. All that bit about phones and passwords was a really bad look. He needs to man up.

 

Goggles (I've missed writing and reading that word) and Grace with the pencils? OMG. That was some scary shit and then Goggles chucked that little pink box straight in Adderal's direction? I wanted to laugh because it looked like she actually caught it but poor thing could have been hurt. No wonder she's banging her head in that crazy family.

[DangerousMinds]

I dated a jealous and suspicious guy. Apparently every time I left the room he would pick up my phone and read all my texts, check my Facebook wall & messages, and Twitter...cos he didn't have accounts of his own. For some reason he really was against all social media. He was also really insecure and paranoid about me and my guy friends, even though the ones I texted with regularly live 2hrs away and I rarely saw them. Texting was how we stayed in touch. I only found out about it once because I came out of his bathroom and he had my phone in his hand, so I asked what was he doing. Then all hell broke loose and he accused me of being too flirty with guy friends and a bunch of other nonsense and it came out that he'd been snooping on me for months. It was also NYE and I had wrecked my car earlier that day (hit a deer) and wanted no part of fighting with him over his unjustified paranoia. So I left (I had borrowed my mom's car for the night). I had nothing to hide and certainly wasn't cheating....but apparently just having guy friends who text me occasionally was a big no-no. Double bad if I send them pics of myself (like if I dyed my hair) or of my dog. That relationship ended a couple months later because even though we got over the initial NYE thing I caught him snooping in my phone again (after he promised he would stop) and he picked another fight over it. It was so petty I don't even remember what he was so angry about.

 

I can't date someone who is going to try to control who I keep in touch with and who/what I do online because a guy has trust and jealousy issues.

Ditto for me. That would be the end of any relationship.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Leah, Leah, Leah....

I just watched the episode. Someone on another thread wrote that Leah's kids have a small army of adults who are there to help care for them. That's so true. She has SO MUCH support. There are so many family members who are there to watch her kids at any time FOR FREE.

Hubby and I have one child (7 month old). We live an hour from our closest relatives and they all either have full time jobs or are too elderly to watch a baby. My husband is a RN and works the night shift three to four nights a week (depending on if he can pick up an extra day), 13 hour shifts. I work during the day. When hubby works, he sleeps during the day while I'm at work and our baby goes to daycare. Usually we run into each other when I get home after picking up the baby and he's heading out the door to go to his job. Then the baby and I are alone for the evening/night and the morning - usually we've left for daycare/my work before he gets home. Several nights a week I'm home alone with the baby. My hubby works every other weekend and so then I'm doing everything with/for the baby 24/7 while he works and then sleeps during the day.

I would LOVE to have someone to leave the baby with so I could get my toenails done, workout, or just take a nap. If I want to go do something without the baby while hubby is at work or sleeping before work, I have to PAY for a babysitter, arrange it well beforehand, & hope the babysitter doesn't get sick or cancel. Sometimes I can get our family members an hour a way to help out on a Friday or Saturday night, but that involves packing up the baby and all his stuff and traveling 2 hours round-trip. Plus, the whole time I feel like I'm putting them out by having them watch him for free. I start to feel guilty and either can't enjoy whatever I'm doing or cut whatever I'm doing short to go get him.

There have been times my husband and I have had arguments that stem from I'm the only one doing everything for the baby for days at a time (plus working) and we never spend enough time together as a family, yet when he's off it throws off the baby's & my routine since we are so used to it just being us in the evenings and early mornings. Sometimes I think I'd be happy to see him take a pay cut & go back to days so we could both be at home in the evenings/nights with the baby and I wouldn't feel like I'm doing the majority of the heavy lifting as far as parenting....but sometimes I wish he'd work every night so our schedule doesn't get interrupted. I understand how you can get frustrated in situations where one spouse is or seems to be always gone and you're stuck at home with the kids. But I'm a grown-up, so I deal with it. I arrange and pay for sitters if I need to and hope for the best. I use the (uber-expensive) drop-in hourly childcare center if I have to (even though it's 20 minutes away). I take the baby with me to run errands or try to squeeze them in after work before picking him up from daycare.

If I had THREE small kids - one of whom had special needs - who I had to do most of the day-to-day care for in addition to me working my job & while my husband worked his usual schedule (let alone worked Jeremy's schedule where he's away for like a week at a time) I'd probably be a mess & addicted to pills or something. So I can emphathize with Leah as far as being upset about being the one with the kids 24/7.....EXCEPT that she's not. The twins go to Corey's several days a week (I think like half of the week) and she has a number of people who live close by who will gladly watch the kids FOR FREE (trust me, Leah, those of us who spend hundreds or even thousands on childcare each month cannot express to you how lucky you are to have these people at your disposal) and plus - these people are all relatives you know you can trust and who you know love your kids. It's not just their "job" - they're watching your kids because they want to and love them. You even went to rehab for a month and there were plenty of people to cover for you. If I went to rehab for a month, my husband might have to quit his job to be there for the baby at night or take a pay cut to go to days (assuming there were open positions). Leah can go to a court date, dinner date, get her nails done, etc at anytime because her mom, stepdad, sister, cousin, Grandma Sandy, and Corey/Jeremy's families will gladly watch the girls. Look, I know I only one have one child so I can't know what it's like to have three, but Leah is so DAMN LUCKY. Her support system rocks and they don't mind being her support system. Leah has a lot going on that would depress/stress out anyone just because of the number of kids, their ages, and Ali's medical issues. But I don't think she realizes how lucky she is to have all the help she does. I don't know that she realizes that this isn't the norm for many (if not most) parents. Her life would be a hell of a lot more depressing without MTV money (ie: she'd have to get a real job), free childcare, and the sheer number of relatives who always are there to give her a break. Every evening that my husband goes to work, I wish that I had a relative or someone close by who could and would be happily willing to watch my baby for about 90 minutes while I work out & shower, let alone go out to eat or get my nails done with a friend. Leah, you've had some rough breaks (and yeah, a lot of them are due to your poor choices), but you are SO LUCKY to have all of those people. Your girls are lucky too. They have so many people that love them and they are able to bond with those people because they're close by and so involved. You have an amazing support system to help with the girls. Please use it to get your act together.

/rant over (Sorry for going on & on.)

Edited July 13, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Chelsea & Cole:

We haven't seen much of Cole yet, but if Randy thinks Cole is a catch, I think Cole is a catch. Randy has never been shy about expressing his displeasure for the way Adam treated Chelsea and Aubree, and I don't think he'd hide it if he thought Cole was not respectful and sweet to Chelsea and her daughter.

He has a college degree, has a job, owns shirts with sleeves, doesn't have any (super visible) ugly ass tattoos, has a driver's license, doesn't have any baby mamas, and doesn't have a criminal record. I think he's cute too. Even if he looked like Gollum from "The Lord of the Rings," he'd still be the Brad Pitt of the Teen Mom universe though based on his aforementioned qualities.

I'm really proud of Chelsea for getting over Adam, getting off the couch, getting her GED, finishing aesthetician school, and holding down a job in her chosen career field. A few years ago I would have doubted it was possible for that all to happen. I know Chelsea has a lot of help, but she still made this stuff happen. Good for you Chelsea! You're the current winner at life among the TM girls (original, TM2, & TM3).

Jenelle & Nathan: Same old sociopathic same old. Poor Jace and Kaiser. Kaiser is a "good" baby. If he was six months or so when this episode was filmed (based on it being Christmas and I think he was born in June?), he was really content to just hang out in his car seat at the tree lot and lay down in his play mat thing feeding himself his bottle while Jenelle talked on the phone. No way would my baby go for that. He's a month older than Kaiser was then & always on the go. He would have been scooting and trying to crawl-wiggle his way out of that play mat thing. He also wants your attention most of the time and would have been all up in my phone conversation, cooing and trying to "talk" to Barb on speaker phone. He won't hang in his car seat carrier once we're out of the car for any extended amount of time. He wants to be with me/us and explore wherever he is. I guess Jenelle is lucky that her baby is so easy going, since she spends most days laying around talking to or complaining about Nathan. Also, I've never left my baby for an overnight, let alone a week. I'd love the break/vacation, but I think I'd freak out after one night and want to get back to my baby. Obviously Jenelle was unphased by the thought of leaving Kaiser for a week and Nathan knew she wouldn't be bothered by it (and neither was he).

Kail and Javi: I don't have much to say that hasn't been said. Javi's sister (Lidia?) who basically tried to tell Javi to just sit on the issue until their company left might be one of the smartest and most mature people to have ever appeared on a Teen Mom episode. I like her.

I could not handle having my husband not trust me to the extent Javi does and making all of his controlling demands. That said, $10 says it will come out that Kail cheated on Javi or was doing something VERY suspicious that sure seemed like cheating. I think there is an incident in Kail's book where before they were married Javi almost broke up with her because she was doing some stuff that he thought was cheating. I can't remember the details, but maybe someone else here will (or someone here has the book and can look). I think he left after a fight over Kail possibly cheating and went to visit friends who were away at college and Kail followed him there. Then his friends were mean to her. That's all I remember. That combined with the fact that Kail cheated on Jordan with Jo on national TV is probably why Javi is worried he's going to lose his RealityTV meal ticket to someone else.

Edited July 13, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[cheatincheetos]

More observant TM2 watchers then me have noted that Delta Dawn never seemed to like Corey all that much. I think Dawn has it in her head that Leah was always too good for Corey and how dare he leave her sweet, innocent little girl?

Yep, if only she could have stuck with quality and class and not 'downgraded' herself to some awful man like Corey.

 

http://tinyurl.com/olry7hx

[Tatum]

 

More observant TM2 watchers then me have noted that Delta Dawn never seemed to like Corey all that much. I think Dawn has it in her head that Leah was always too good for Corey and how dare he leave her sweet, innocent little girl? Of course it is the other way around, Corey and his family are much better people then the trashy Messers,  but somehow Dawn has her blinders on BAD when it comes to Leah

 

Dawn does seem to have it in her head that Leah is like, the Kate Upton of their town and Corey totally looked a gift horse in the mouth for insisting on fidelity when he got to bone such a prize and should have been grateful for that. That said, I still can't see what possible basis she has for not recognizing what a selfless and responsible father Corey is. Even if she feels that Corey way outkicked his coverage by landing Leah and didn't treat her well, she cannot possibly have any evidence of him not doing right by his kids. But whatever Dawn and Leah. The fact that one family court judge did not see sufficient reason to change the custody arrangement at that time does not validate your feelings that Leah is the superior parent to Corey.

 

And really Leah? Miranda is an evil person planting ideas in Corey's head about your fitness as a parent? To what end? Do you think she actually wants to triple her time with your hellspawn purely to screw with you? Especially when she's having her own child with Corey? You should be grateful that Miranda wants your child around. I wouldn't marry Ryan Reynolds if it meant a kid like Gracie came along for the ride every other weekend.

[ghoulina]

As for the show, Adam's house sure could use a visit from the people on HGTV's "Curb Appeal."

 

Right? The outside of that place was scarrrrry. I was actually quite relieved to see the inside looked fairly normal.

 

As for the boyfriend stuff..She's 5, it's a normal, natural thing. After my daughter met my cousin's boyfriend, every man in her life became her boyfriend. It's a sweet endearment for a 5 year old. My daughter is now a normal, happily married mother of 2 so her having "boyfriends" as a 5 year old didn't harm her at all.

It's creepy that anybody would attach anything weird to something so innocent.

 

I agree with this. My young sons used to say they wanted to marry their aunts. Or me! At that age, they don't really discriminate between different kinds of love, so I think it's perfectly natural. 

 

Stupid question but did they ever say who Kail was going to see in concert?

Please let it be Ke$ha!

 

My guess is Miley Cyrus or a Hanson reunion. 

[kira28]

When Cory was talking to Leah about how he wanted to see the girls at night and wanted to get up with them in the morning and Leah was going on about how she couldn't be without them. Bitch you can't even take care of them from day to day! I can see someone being late once every six months but for it to be brought up in court and Leah had to be reminded what time her kids GO TO SCHOOL, tardiness must have been a regular thing. She definitely has a drug problem. She was clearly high during her pleasant little dinner with Jeremy and she looked high at the court hearing as well!  When she was lamenting to her friend about how Cory thought she was a unfit mother the kids are eating cookies and coffee and Addy is terrorizing a cat while banging her head off the couch. Great parenting there Leah.  I mean this is what is going on when the cameras are there. Can you imagine what happens when the cameras aren't there? Plus as mentioned above she has SO much support in the form of family and friends to help her watch the girls. There is absolutely no excuse for the kids being late for school or Allie missing therapy appointments. Leah doesn't even have a job. Her one responsibility is to take care of her kids and she can't even do that!!

[politichick]

I don't think the girlses really drink coffee. It looked to me as if she was pretending to be like the adults.

[GreatKazu]

Someone here posted that Kail posted on her Twitter that she was going to see Sam Smith in concert.

 

Yes, she did end up going: http://www.wetpaint.com/2015-01-15-sam-smith-concert-with-friends/

[GreatKazu]

MyPeopleAreNordic if I lived near you, I'd love to be your support system and help you out. You are so right about Leah. The girl has so many adults in her life that she can dump her kids on. Yes, I use the word "dump" because Leah could care less about being a proper mother. She is more about fulfilling her needs. The needs in her wallet and the needs between her legs.

[ghoulina]

I don't think the girlses really drink coffee. It looked to me as if she was pretending to be like the adults.

 

I didn't even catch it this time, but I'm pretty sure there was footage of them actually drinking coffee in a previous season.

[MissMel]

I think they were drinking milk from coffee mugs. Maybe a splash of coffee for color? I don't know. I didn't get the sense they were actually drinking coffee. More like "tea party" play. I could be wrong, though.

[zenme]

I actually think they were having cookies and milk.  There was a package of cookies there on the counter next to the girls.

Edited July 13, 2015 by zenme

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

MyPeopleAreNordic if I lived near you, I'd love to be your support system and help you out. You are so right about Leah. The girl has so many adults in her life that she can dump her kids on. Yes, I use the word "dump" because Leah could care less about being a proper mother. She is more about fulfilling her needs. The needs in her wallet and the needs between her legs.

Thanks, Kazu. You're sweet.

I know I'm lucky that I do have my hubby home a few nights a week and the money to pay a sitter occasionally in the evenings, which is more support/options than I think Barb probably has.

I really do hope Leah knows how much harder it would be if she didn't have all those family members around to help her out.

Edited July 13, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Tatum]

 

I know I'm lucky that I do have my hubby home a few nights a week and the money to pay a sitter occasionally in the evenings, which is more support/options than I think Barb probably has.

 

The only saving grace of having Jenelle on this show is that I have heard (making no claim to the reliability of the source, but I hope it's true) that Jenelle has to split her Teen Mom 2 money 50/50 with Barb. While 50% is still way more than she deserves, I would guess she drives the ratings more than Barb, so in a way, Jenelle's trashy trainwreck of a life does financially benefit Barb far more than court ordered child support payments would, if there was no teen mom money at all.

 

If this is true, (and I hope it is, because if Jenelle is pocketing the same amount of cash as the other girls for not only not parenting her child and STILL not paying her mother child support, my head might explode), I can totally see Jenelle thinking Barb actually owes her and is "stealing" money Jenelle should be entitled to by being the bio mom of Jace and the "talent" behind the show.

[gunderda]

This is neither for nor against Kail/Javi but sometimes controlling people do come out of the wood work.  Usually they're pretty good at what they're doing to draw you and then gradually become the controlling a-hole that they are. Because they were that controlling a-hole right away then you would obviously not date them.  but they wait to show their true colors when you're pretty invested in the relationship. 

 

again, not saying Javi is or is not that... but it's sometimes hard to know what you're getting yourself into early on in a relationship.

[Mkay]

I actually think they were having cookies and milk.  There was a package of cookies there on the counter next to the girls.

Don't forget though this IS Leah.

Don't forget Javi does his own share of hanging out with the opposite sex.  I remember on his twitter and instagram how he was being slammed for all his pictures with his female friends and how he and Kail never posed together during that time.

[zenme]

Don't forget Javi does his own share of hanging out with the opposite sex.  I remember on his twitter and instagram how he was being slammed for all his pictures with his female friends and how he and Kail never posed together during that time.

 

Wow.  These two really are a hot commodity, aren't they?

[Christina]

The only saving grace of having Jenelle on this show is that I have heard (making no claim to the reliability of the source, but I hope it's true) that Jenelle has to split her Teen Mom 2 money 50/50 with Barb. While 50% is still way more than she deserves, I would guess she drives the ratings more than Barb, so in a way, Jenelle's trashy trainwreck of a life does financially benefit Barb far more than court ordered child support payments would, if there was no teen mom money at all.

 

If this is true, (and I hope it is, because if Jenelle is pocketing the same amount of cash as the other girls for not only not parenting her child and STILL not paying her mother child support, my head might explode), I can totally see Jenelle thinking Barb actually owes her and is "stealing" money Jenelle should be entitled to by being the bio mom of Jace and the "talent" behind the show.

 

Someone had tweeted Jenelle that Barb should be getting paid and not her, and she responded that they split the money. She later deleted the tweet, but it was screencapped and posted on one of the gossip sites. I remember reading it, but don't think it confirmed 50/50 because I hoped Barb got at least that. It was quite a while ago.

 

Also, Janelle was behind in child support, and Barb went to court to have it discharged, saying that she didn't need it directly from Janelle through the courts. The theory at the time was that she was allowed to show that she received part of Janelle's contract pay directly from MTV, but that info wasn't released to the public.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Christina

[SPLAIN]

Do you really consider Barb being threatened like that and having to worry about Jace's safety if Jenelle gets him back with Kail being upset over having to get her lazy ass in the car and go pick her kid up? 

I understood what the poster meant. It is called tit-for-tat or blow for blow. Repayment in kind for an injury. Jenelle becomes upset for whatever perceived slight, and decides it is time to hurt her mother by threatening to go to court to get Jace back. How long has she been threatening that now? Four seasons? It is Jenelle's tit-for-tat to Barb and it is all she has to do to hurt her mother because Jenelle knows the words hurt Barb and she succeeds, in her mind, that she has returned what she felt she had received.  The sad thing there is, Barb just doesn't comprehend what Jenelle is doing. Barb should call her bluff and tell her, "Fine by me. Let's go to court together and do this."

 

Back to Javi. He discovered his wife received a text message on his wife's phone, felt his wife was doing something to him behind his back. His reaction is to play tit-for-tat because, in his mind, she wasn't going to get away with whatever game he thought she was playing on him. A very common thing that occurs in relationships.

 

 

But this is Javi and Kail we are talking about.   They don't have a mature healthy blended family, and they never have judging from what we have seen on the show.   And they are mentioning divorce.   I agree with you that Javi should just end it.   He should have done that a long time ago.

So, any opinions by others here about how it could have been handled or should have been handled, is moot? Of course these two immature beasts have an unhealthy marriage, that doesn't stop anyone from putting in their two cents on how Javi could have handled the situation better.

 

 

The drive was ordered to be Kail's responsibility in the first place.

The drive was ordered because Kail wanted no one else to do the drop-offs or pick-ups. The judge didn't order this until Kail asked that it be part of the stipulation.  Only when the girl became pregnant on purpose and couldn't handle the drive, she changed her mind. Javi agreed to it. That part of the stipulation has been changed so that any of the three adults (Jo, Javi, and Kail) can be part of the drop-offs.

 

 

Regardless, it is not Javi's job to do the driving.  Kail needs to comprehend the basic idea that if you act like she does, people won't want to help you anymore. 

 

I disagree with that, a step parent relationship with the step child can be whatever they decide it to be.  There is zero obligation there, and it needs to be decided by the family.

But, it has been decided between Kail and Javi. Going by interviews these two have given, and what has happened on the show,  Javi has accepted many responsibilities as far as Isaac is concerned. I think this is why there is so much negative feedback about how he handled the situation with picking up Isaac. I have come to learn that Javi will say and do some questionable things. I sure didn't expect him to sink to the level that he did when he threw it in Kail's face that he would go back on his promise to pick up Isaac.

 

I am amazed at the idea that a parent or step-parent picking up a child from school, is perceived to be a "job" instead of a partner or spouse who is helping to share the responsibilities of the one household. Javi is not being asked to pick up the next door neighbor's kid. 

 

Coming from a home where my siblings and I had a step-parent, I can easily remember the feeling that we were not different or treated different. We were never treated with disdain or with any kind of feeling that we were just step-children. One of my parents died and the other married a few years later. The apprehension and fears I felt at first, were quickly replaced with happiness and love that was given to me by my step-parent. I never heard any disagreements about who should pick us up from school, who should take a day off from work to take me one of us to the doctor, who should help us with our homework. Bottom line, we were never used as pawns in some shitty argument. Never.

 

I decided to ask one of the therapists at my job what her input is on this scenario. She pretty much stated what I felt, and what many here have posted. Javi was too upset. He felt he was being betrayed. He should have waited until Kail returned from out of town, when he was no longer angry, to sit down and discuss with Kail his feelings about what he perceives is going on. Not accuse, just express his feelings. He should have never threatened he wouldn't pick up the step-child.

 

Again, sorry for the long post. I have to fit in what I have on my mind when I post here before the next episode airs.

Edited July 14, 2015 by SPLAIN

[poopchute]

That part of the stipulation has been changed so that any of the three adults (Jo, Javi, and Kail) can be part of the drop-offs.

 

Is Vee still not allowed to be seen/heard at the drop offs?  I wonder if she has to leave the house or if she can just hide in a room where Kail won't see her?

[zenme]

Last I knew Vee was allowed to be seen/heard during drop-offs.  Remember? Last season the foursome actually had lunch with Isaac. 

[Emmierose]

 

Besides, the issue was not the six hours of driving. He was using Isaac to push Kail's buttons. He was using it as a passive-aggressive move by telling her he was NOT going to pick up Isaac from school. You know, the same kind of move that Jenelle pulls when she tells Barb she is going to take Jace back. It is meant to hurt and push buttons.

So much this about the passive aggressive behavior.   I'm thinking that maybe the text from the guy was not the real issue here.  How it appears to me is that Kail put Javi on the spot when she told him about possibly staying overnight in a hotel with her friends.  She told her girls she was nervous about telling Javi because she was concerned he was going to be upset so she called him into the room and told him while her friends were sitting there.  Well he wasn't going to act like a total controlling asshole in front of everyone so he was kinda like, "Yeah, okay," but found a way to punish her later and gum up her plans for the concert by making a fuss over the text message thus putting the reason why she couldn't make the concert and stay overnight in a hotel all Kail's fault.  Typical passive aggressive dick move.  

 

I feel for Kail.  She wants a family so badly and is willing to put up with Javi's behavior while trying to keep the immature family she made with him intact.  Kail is no angel, I get that but watching Javi's cold mean snake  while he talks to Kail like she's a child and telling her what her responsibilities are and demanding her pass code gives me the chills.   I could be wrong and maybe Kail did cheat or has something to hide, but we don't know that and until we do, I vote for Javi being the abusive, controlling nut bag on this one.

[truelovekiss]

And really Leah? Miranda is an evil person planting ideas in Corey's head about your fitness as a parent? To what end? Do you think she actually wants to triple her time with your hellspawn purely to screw with you? Especially when she's having her own child with Corey? You should be grateful that Miranda wants your child around. I wouldn't marry Ryan Reynolds if it meant a kid like Gracie came along for the ride every other weekend.

If what Leah says is true (lol) and Corey has been lobbying harder for custody since he married Miranda, presumably because of Miranda, doesn't that say even more for her character? That she wants to raise the girlses full time herself, alongside her own child? I get that Leah is taking all of this as a personal attack, but she can't deny that Miranda obviously loves her kids and is doing this for them.

[SPLAIN]

Last I knew Vee was allowed to be seen/heard during drop-offs.  Remember? Last season the foursome actually had lunch with Isaac. 

I was referring to actually driving Isaac to his father's home and being dropped off. I don't believe Vee is driving Isaac anywhere.

 

Something about Javi's sister in the episode came to me just now.  I concluded that she was there to watch the baby while Javi goes to pick up Isaac and takes him to his father's home. She was likely there to babysit the baby all night, too.

 

 

I'm thinking that maybe the text from the guy was not the real issue here.  How it appears to me is that Kail put Javi on the spot when she told him about possibly staying overnight in a hotel with her friends.  She told her girls she was nervous about telling Javi because she was concerned he was going to be upset so she called him into the room and told him while her friends were sitting there.  Well he wasn't going to act like a total controlling asshole in front of everyone so he was kinda like, "Yeah, okay," but found a way to punish her later and gum up her plans for the concert by making a fuss over the text message thus putting the reason why she couldn't make the concert and stay overnight in a hotel all Kail's fault.  Typical passive aggressive dick move.

Fully agree.

Edited July 14, 2015 by SPLAIN

[cheatincheetos]

Thanks, Kazu. You're sweet.

I know I'm lucky that I do have my hubby home a few nights a week and the money to pay a sitter occasionally in the evenings, which is more support/options than I think Barb probably has.

I really do hope Leah knows how much harder it would be if she didn't have all those family members around to help her out.

I rewatched that older season preview a little while ago, and the single most annoying bit in there had to be Leah talking with another friend about "yeah, people have no idea how hard it is to be a mom". Mostly I see Leah doing an Amber impression on the couch.

Don't forget though this IS Leah.

Don't forget Javi does his own share of hanging out with the opposite sex.  I remember on his twitter and instagram how he was being slammed for all his pictures with his female friends and how he and Kail never posed together during that time.

Speaking for myself, the infamous shot of pregnant lingerie Kail and Javi was enough of J and K posing together to last me a lifetime.

[Tatum]

Speaking for myself, the infamous shot of pregnant lingerie Kail and Javi was enough of J and K posing together to last me a lifetime.

 

What?? How did I miss this? I mean, don't get me wrong, that's not something I need to see, but how did I miss all the mocking those photos must have inspired?

 

If what Leah says is true (lol) and Corey has been lobbying harder for custody since he married Miranda, presumably because of Miranda, doesn't that say even more for her character? That she wants to raise the girlses full time herself, alongside her own child? I get that Leah is taking all of this as a personal attack, but she can't deny that Miranda obviously loves her kids and is doing this for them.

 

I agree with that, but it seems like Leah truly believes Miranda is only pressuring Corey to push for more custody as a way to fuck with Leah. As if even the most vindictive, jealous and controlling partner would take on additional time with two kindergartners, one of whom has special needs and the other who has extreme behavioral issues, just to spite their spouse's ex.

[configdotsys]

I've had controlling boyfriends too but just can't project what happened during my relationship to the Kail and Javi because while some if it may seem similar, it's not the same thing. If you are dating someone that is controlling, you see it early on. It may not be as bad as grabbing your phone or looking through it or "jokingly" saying something that makes you wonder, but small traces of it are there from the get go. In Javi's case, from day one, he was a jellyfish that kissed Kail's ass all day and night long and controlling would have been the last label I would stick on him. Kail ordered him around and for a time there, she used the word "benefits" so many times that you'd think that was Javi's real name. The way he is today is a product of Kail, IMO. After being barked at, smacked around and belittled, there will be a time where you finally say, "I'm sick of this shit," which funny enough is a phrase Javi used verbatim in the episode: "I'm sick of Kail's shit." She said herself that she sneaks stuff and if you have to "sneak" then something's not right there. Javi growing a backbone is something that's nice to see from my point of view. 

 

 As for the boyfriend stuff..She's 5, it's a normal, natural thing. After my daughter met my cousin's boyfriend, every man in her life became her boyfriend. It's a sweet endearment for a 5 year old. My daughter is now a normal, happily married mother of 2 so her having "boyfriends" as a 5 year old didn't harm her at all.

It's creepy that anybody would attach anything weird to something so innocent.

 

I don't think it's creepy to raise an eyebrow at something that's completely outside of one's own experience. That's not to say there's anything wrong with the 5 year old saying boyfriend or whatever but I admit, I was a little surprised at that kind of giggly talk not because of any type of perverted thing but more because it's not something I've ever experienced in my own family or with my siblings' kids. Cole came off as sort of country bumpkinish to me but not creepy at all.

[kira28]

I have dated a controlling guy before. He went thru my phone all the time and I eventually ended it. I had nothing to hide and I never locked my phone. But when Javi requested that Kail take the passcode off her phone and let him see it, I heard fear in Kail's voice when she acted outraged and refused to let him see her phone. I totally understand wanting your privacy but if you have nothing to hide then humor your husband.  I think Kail did something shady with Jo (I believe it was reported that they were texting eachother inappropriately or that Kail invited Jo over when Javi was away (and Jo refused) and Javi was very upset. I don't blame Javi for being upset. If it was the first time then I would say he overreacted but he clearly does not trust her and must have reasons. I'm all for having friends of the opposite sex and I'm sure Kail can have male friends and not cheat. But she had planned this trip months ago (she stated that) and decides to bring up that they may stay overnight at a hotel the day before the concert? Just strange and I just think Kail is shady and though I think Javi deserves her because he saw her cheat on Jordan, I understand why he reacts the way he does.

[ghoulina]

Don't forget Javi does his own share of hanging out with the opposite sex.  I remember on his twitter and instagram how he was being slammed for all his pictures with his female friends and how he and Kail never posed together during that time.

 

I think I read awhile back that he was "caught" at a strip club? Now maybe Kail doesn't care, but I think that just goes to prove your point. Neither one of them are locked down only hanging out with each other. 

 

I agree with that, but it seems like Leah truly believes Miranda is only pressuring Corey to push for more custody as a way to fuck with Leah. As if even the most vindictive, jealous and controlling partner would take on additional time with two kindergartners, one of whom has special needs and the other who has extreme behavioral issues, just to spite their spouse's ex.

 

Leah suspects that because that's how SHE would think. She cannot comprehend someone having selfless, altruistic motives, because she's just never been like that. 

[Tatum]

 

Leah suspects that because that's how SHE would think. She cannot comprehend someone having selfless, altruistic motives, because she's just never been like that. 

 

While I agree she is not selfless or altruistic, Leah seems more like the type who would do whatever she could to minimize the time her husband spent with kids from his first wife, not pull for more time. Leah's thought process that Miranda is out to get her by insisting on more time with Leah's kids just does not seem logical to me. Then again, it's Leah.

[SlothLoveChunk]

Thanks, Kazu. You're sweet.

I know I'm lucky that I do have my hubby home a few nights a week and the money to pay a sitter occasionally in the evenings, which is more support/options than I think Barb probably has.

I really do hope Leah knows how much harder it would be if she didn't have all those family members around to help her out.

My husband and I both work full time.  He routinely works 55-70 hour weeks.  Our nearest family members (Nana and Papa- who both work too) are two hours away.  And while I don't classify my toddler as having "special needs", she has a range of medical issues that necessitates weekly physical therapy since age 5 months, twice weekly feeding therapy for 9 months, special thickened food/liquid, and she wore a brace 24/7 for the first 18 months of her life (among other things).  Finding a daycare who felt comfortable taking on her issues was fun, and taking time off left and right (and then having to make it up) to bring her to appointments is a blast.

 

And yet, I'm not addicted to pills.  Or alcohol.  Or any other substance (well...food might count there but I don't quantify my ice cream binges as an addiction).  It is possible Leah!  Half of the month 2/3 of your kids are at their dad's, you don't work, AND you have a ton of family nearby who babysit on a whim?  COME ON.

[cheatincheetos]

What?? How did I miss this? I mean, don't get me wrong, that's not something I need to see, but how did I miss all the mocking those photos must have inspired?

 

You can probably find it (and related snickering) in the archived articles of some of the teen mom blogs. Just at a glance, here is one that mentions the portrait.

 

http://www.realitytea.com/2014/04/14/teen-mom-2-finale-recap/

 

"And also, this recap is sponsored (kidding, not really) by the maternity lingerie photo of Kailyn Lowry and topless Javi Marroquin that is framed above their bed."

[truelovekiss]

While I agree she is not selfless or altruistic, Leah seems more like the type who would do whatever she could to minimize the time her husband spent with kids from his first wife, not pull for more time. Leah's thought process that Miranda is out to get her by insisting on more time with Leah's kids just does not seem logical to me. Then again, it's Leah.

Totally agree with this. As time goes on, the pool of eligible bachelors with no kids will steadily shrink, and Leah will become someone's stepmother. (I think her new boyfriend has kids, so this might have already begun) she already has a hard time when she has to share her man with a job, but if she has to share him with kids that aren't hers? No way.

What?? How did I miss this? I mean, don't get me wrong, that's not something I need to see, but how did I miss all the mocking those photos must have inspired?

.

They showed it when Kail was gloating/giving Jo and Vee a tour of their house. Vee referred to it as "vulgar" and that's when I decided thay she can stay forever.

[Tatum]

You can probably find it (and related snickering) in the archived articles of some of the teen mom blogs. Just at a glance, here is one that mentions the portrait.

 

http://www.realitytea.com/2014/04/14/teen-mom-2-finale-recap/

 

"And also, this recap is sponsored (kidding, not really) by the maternity lingerie photo of Kailyn Lowry and topless Javi Marroquin that is framed above their bed."

 

Ah, the links are too old and just go to every article tagged with her in it. I could probably just use old fashioned google images, but even though I normally have no shame, immortalizing the phrase "Kailyn Lowry lingerie" on any search engine is a line I simply won't cross.

[Kellyee]

Its really sad that Chelsea is the most mature one of the bunch. And she's not even that good, but she has a job, hasn't popped out another kid, and doesn't seem to be screaming at someone as much in front of her child. That's basically the bar for good parenting on Teen Mom. I wish she would stop bashing Aubree's father in front of the kid though. And I wouldn't be surprised to hear that she's still having sex with him when the cameras aren't around.

 

I don't understand why Leah and Corey don't have split custody. Every other divorced parent I know, unless they're Adam or a serial killer, was able to get 50% custody of their kid. And I don't really see Leah being so much more nurturing than Corey. Leah seems upset and annoyed and caught up in her marriage/man drama most of the time. I really want to know how often the kid is not in school when it starts at 8:15.

[cheatincheetos]

Ah, the links are too old and just go to every article tagged with her in it. I could probably just use old fashioned google images, but even though I normally have no shame, immortalizing the phrase "Kailyn Lowry lingerie" on any search engine is a line I simply won't cross.

There's worse. There was an article named "Javi Marroquin takes it all off" in the results.

[purplemonkey]

Nathan is the most repulsive human I have ever seen on MTV since I got cable in 1999. Worse than Adam. I cannot watch him. I FF through is scenes.

I hate people who are chronically late, so I'm super pissed at Leah, now that I hear it from the lawyer's mouth.

I've seen a lot of pics of Cole on Twitter, so I knew he was hot. But then he opened his mouth on my TV and a purse came out. I'm not saying he's effeminate (not that there's anything wrong with that), I just expected him to have a deeper voice. Also, when Randy was at the house, you could see Aubree's behavior chart in the background. She's one rung above the bottom of the ladder. So either she's being bratty or they haven't used the chart in a while.

[GreatKazu]

ghoulina, sweetie it was Jermy who was at the strip club, not Javi. Although, I'd love to see how Kail would react if Javi did go to one. lol

 

Tatum there was an episode two seasons ago when Kail and Javi were in their bedroom and there was this huge photo over their bed showing Javi shirtless and Kail in all her pregnant glory as she is wearing lingerie. Here is a link to give you an idea. It only shows Kail in a couple of photos:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/kailyn-lowry-poses-semi-nude-in-lingerie-shows-bare-baby-bump-2013168

 

 

 

In Javi's case, from day one, he was a jellyfish that kissed Kail's ass all day and night long and controlling would have been the last label I would stick on him. Kail ordered him around and for a time there, she used the word "benefits" so many times that you'd think that was Javi's real name. The way he is today is a product of Kail, IMO. After being barked at, smacked around and belittled, there will be a time where you finally say, "I'm sick of this shit," which funny enough is a phrase Javi used verbatim in the episode: "I'm sick of Kail's shit." She said herself that she sneaks stuff and if you have to "sneak" then something's not right there. Javi growing a backbone is something that's nice to see from my point of view.

I don't think he has grown a backbone, but I do think he is reacting to things he feels is shady behavior. If he is controlling, and he wasn't like that before marriage, then it likely came about BECAUSE of Kail's behavior. This is the chicken and egg scenario here. Kail claims because of how Javi controls her, she had to be sneaky and hide things from him. It could be, and I am leaning this way, that Kail was being sneaky and hiding things from Javi. He has found out about some things that she was hiding, and it turned him into not trusting her at all, as he claimed to his sister. He is feeling paranoid and now, he wants to check her phone, call her up at all hours of the night when she is out of town, etc.

 

Kail dropped the ball on him at the last minute about being out of town. He had time to lay in bed that night to start thinking about what is really going on and why did she tell me this at the last minute. He likely woke up the next morning feeling angry over what he feels is Kail being shady and then the text showed up. He likely overheard Kail tell her friend who had texted her since he didn't actually see the text - he doesn't have her passcode to see it. He put two and two together and he exploded.

[ghoulina]

I wish she would stop bashing Aubree's father in front of the kid though.

 

I think she is getting better about this. Slowly, but surely. She's at least trying not to be so obvious, by not using names, etc. And it seemed, on this recent episode, that she actually had Aubree go to her room while she talked to Randy. 

ghoulina, sweetie it was Jermy who was at the strip club, not Javi. Although, I'd love to see how Kail would react if Javi did go to one. lol

 

I could have sworn I read a story about Javi too, so I double checked:

 

 

http://www.wetpaint.com/2015-01-13-javi-marroquin-visits-strip-club/