S04.E22: Cry Havoc

[Free]

 

The character moments in the episode were great.  Everything involving Wu, Rosalee and Monroe was gold.  The writers know how to generate those great small moments, even as they fail at motivation and plot in a wider sense.

 

It really is, but then the awful Juliette/Royals drama had taken over the back half of the season and it was just painful to sit through.

[Perfect Xero]

When Nick killed Kenny with his spring loaded wrist knife thingy I muttered, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

[BruceAE]

When Nick killed Kenny with his spring loaded wrist knife thingy I muttered, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Next season, Nick starts wearing a white hoodie and discovers Grimm's really excel at Parkour ...

 

As you can guess, I thought the same thing too.

[BruceAE]

It really is, but then the awful Juliette/Royals drama had taken over the back half of the season and it was just painful to sit through.

Yep - worse than the keys, IMHO.  The problem with these overarching plots is the feeling that there is nothing behind them - no motivation that makes sense to me, anyway.  And the Royals in their CGI castles are just so moustache-twirlingly evil and out of touch with the rest of the show it does take me out of the story somewhat.  I'm hoping that after Team!Grimm cleaned house the Royals story will either be excised or given a soft reboot.

 

I do kinda wish we had an idea *what* the Royals were, wesen-wise.  Strange we never found out about Kenneth either, I was expecting a twist that he was a Grimm who had been turned, but no such luck.

[OakGoblinFly]

OK, I must admit, THAT was worth losing Kelly Burkhardt over. I jumped to my feet and cheered at each of the three deaths in the finale (and yelled "Shoot her again!" when Teresa popped in for the last minute save.)

 

So did I, let's just hope that Juliette is all dead and not just mostly dead.

[blueray]

I just remembered a thought I had when Diana turned on the death ray look at the king. Hello, my name is Diana, you killed my mother, prepare to die.

 

Another thought, illegitimate children are rarely the heirs to thrones, unless they are legitimized some how and I don't think that has ever happened with Renard, so how could his daughter be a princess unless the king decided to recognize her and legitimize her. Which, since he was trying so hard to get her I guess he was going to do.

Didn't the royals think she was Eric's daughter and didn't even know Adalind slept with Renard.

[Free]

Yep - worse than the keys, IMHO.  The problem with these overarching plots is the feeling that there is nothing behind them - no motivation that makes sense to me, anyway.  And the Royals in their CGI castles are just so moustache-twirlingly evil and out of touch with the rest of the show it does take me out of the story somewhat.  I'm hoping that after Team!Grimm cleaned house the Royals story will either be excised or given a soft reboot.

 

I do kinda wish we had an idea *what* the Royals were, wesen-wise.  Strange we never found out about Kenneth either, I was expecting a twist that he was a Grimm who had been turned, but no such luck.

 

That's because they are, the Royals have been generic baddies and it doesn't help that they've been mostly isolated until the end of S4 where they were basically wiped out, so there's no tension or build up there to actual be good villains and for it to actually be a showdown that it should've been.

[4leafclover]

Count me as another viewer who hopes Juliette is gone, but I wouldn't put it past them to have Nick give Juliette a blood transfusion, ala the way he zapped Adelind of her evil powers.  This would turn Juliette back into a "normal" person....but let's hope not.  

 

Did anyone else notice another person sitting next to Meisner on the helicopter?  Since they did not take off their helmet, I'm hoping it is Kelly.  Stranger things have happened!

[proserpina65]

However, it looked like when Nick looked up Kenneth in his policey fake database whatever, it listed him as German. Although I suppose that could've just been place of birth rather than residence/where he learned to speak English and with what accent, etc. But it seems like his ID probably would not indicate Kenneth were British.

 

It listed Kenneth's surname as Bowes-Lyon (the late Queen Mother's surname in real life), so definitely British.

 

Oops, someone beat me to it.

Edited May 18, 2015 by proserpina65

[Nutjob]

 

Did anyone else notice another person sitting next to Meisner on the helicopter?  Since they did not take off their helmet, I'm hoping it is Kelly.  Stranger things have happened!

This was my hope, too. In fact, I now think it's likely--why would Meisner even know about any of this if they hadn't been setting a counter-trap for the royals?

 

I don't even know what to think about whether or not Juliette is dead. The writers should be ashamed of themselves, though--they had a perfectly normal, grounded girlfriend for the main character (I liked Juliette just fine before, FWIW) and completely blew her to smithereens. Now, anything they do short of leaving her dead is a complete cop out as far as I'm concerned, and might just make me stop watching.

[iMonrey]

 

I really think the coins and keys were wrapped up when Nick gave them to Kelly and she took them somewhere to be hidden and/or destroyed.

 

Kelly took the coins but not the key. The key was hidden in the secret drawer in the trailer (that Nick didn't even know about until Kelly showed him how to open it). Plus, Nick now has the key that belonged to Josh's dad. 

 

However, I'm perfectly willing to drop the whole key thing if they just drop the whole Royal thing as well. They should probably remove the visual from the opening title sequence though.

[OtterMommy]

Kelly took the coins but not the key. The key was hidden in the secret drawer in the trailer (that Nick didn't even know about until Kelly showed him how to open it). Plus, Nick now has the key that belonged to Josh's dad. 

 

However, I'm perfectly willing to drop the whole key thing if they just drop the whole Royal thing as well. They should probably remove the visual from the opening title sequence though.

 

Actually both keys are now hidden somewhere in the spice shop.  Nick gave them to Rosalee to hide and, as far as I know, she is the only person who knows where they are.

 

I kind of agree with you about the keys though...there is no reason to go anywhere with the key plot if they don't have any royals left (unless someone else--possibly Chavez?--is after the keys).  It would have been nice for them to wrap it up, but I'd forgive them if they don't leave any other plots hanging.

 

All that being said, I would like to see more about the coins.  As far as we know, Kelly hid them somewhere in Serbia or Croatia or whatever and there are still people out there looking for them.

[SmithW6079]

I think the reason Trubel didn't seem affected by "Kelly in a Box" is because the actress is so wooden. Her emotional range runs the gamut from A to B.

[theatremouse]

I think it's twofold: a) she didn't know who it was when she found it and b) she does her own fair share of beheading, so a head in a box alone, makes sense to me she'd be nonplussed. I mean, she clearly assumed it was a message and not a good sign, but she had no reason to have an especially emotional response, and she's well established as not squeamish. She seemed sort of...reasonably wary, which I thought was a sensible response from that character.

[friendperidot]

Been trying to remember an old term that applies to Diana. She's has SORAS. 

Edited May 19, 2015 by friendperidot

[anarchyangel84]

Did you not see the Captain shot in the chest mulitple times? It may be stupid but it has been done. On 'supernatural' shows like Grimm and Buffy and Arrow etc. death doesn't necessarily mean dead.

OT (my son in law was upset with The Flash because Cisco died, I said -time travel- and sure enough, not dead)(I debated on spoiler tagging that but it has aired so decided not to?)

I had not thought about Diana and Kelly, maybe, since Diana remembered Meisner maybe she also remembers her mother and was not upset with Kelly's death because she was just waiting to get back to Adalind.

I did think Trubel was not very surprised about Kelly's death but I'm not sure why.

I never like it when the 'monster of the week' shows develop these huge complicated back stories that involve conspiracies and multiple characters. They did it with XFiles and even Dr Who. I don't care. I like the character and the resolution of a story in an hour or less. If I wanted conspiracies I'd watch something else.

•Renard did get shot many times and he did die- but he was brought back. I don't know who in their right mind would bring Juliette back. (I know, there's probably SOMEONE who would, I may be reaching, I JUST REALLY, REALLY WANT HER TO BE DEAD.

••I was also upset when Cisco died.

••• I don't know if Trubel wasn't surprised about Kelly's death, or if she just didn't have an emotional response. Any normal person probably would respond when seeing a head in a box, but she isn't normal. She's a Grimm & she's probably seen worse. She was more concerned with getting Nick out of there.

I do wish someone woulda thought to shut that box on the way out- but I guess they were more worried about their heads ending up in a box.

••••A lot of people like the 'Monster of the week'

shows for a season or so but they tend to get a little boring & predictable after a while. Actually, I got a little bored with this in the first season. I liked when it got a little more complicated... Like when Nick found out about Renard and all that. But when Juliette woke up from her coma and couldn't remember Nick and was obsessed with Renard, for me it started to slowly go downhill.

[anarchyangel84]

After reading some of these posts, I'm hopeful that some of you are right & Kelly is alive. I was so surprised & upset that she was killed and that she was killed in such a crap way, I didn't even think that she MAY not be dead at all. I was wondering why the hell Diana let Kelly be attacked.... At first, I thought that it was because Kelly had taught her NOT to hurt people. But for 1, no matter what, I don't/didn't think she'd let anyone hurt her "mommy" and 2, she's part Hexenbiest. Which means she's part bitch and I don't even think Kelly could help that. IF it turns out that she's NOT dead, they're gonna have a lot of 'splaining to do!

[jhlipton]

Actually both keys are now hidden somewhere in the spice shop.  Nick gave them to Rosalee to hide and, as far as I know, she is the only person who knows where they are.

And Rosalee gave them to a friend named Mel -- they are for Mel to hide...

Abbott and Costello:

"Take this package over to Mel's house. It's for Mel to Hide".

"What is it?"

"Formaldehyde."

"But what is it?"

"Formaldehyde. For Mel to hide."

 

Actually both keys are now hidden somewhere in the spice shop.  Nick gave them to Rosalee to hide and, as far as I know, she is the only person who knows where they are.

And Rosalee gave them to a friend named Mel -- they are for Mel to hide...

Abbott and Costello:

"Take this package over to Mel's house. It's for Mel to Hide".

"What is it?"

"Formaldehyde."

"But what is it?"

"Formaldehyde. For Mel to hide."

 

[Bruinsfan]

I'm still hoping that they eventually find all the keys and it leads to the awesomely powerful weapon that would have given the 12th century royals the power to rule the world: a prototype matchlock arquebus and the design schematics to build more.

Edited May 19, 2015 by Bruinsfan

[iMonrey]

 

I think the reason Trubel didn't seem affected by "Kelly in a Box" is because the actress is so wooden. Her emotional range runs the gamut from A to B.

 

I have to kind of agree with this. I've never been particularly enamored of Trubel and that's why. She's sort of a one-note personality. I guess it kind of works for her character but at the same time I just don't find her terribly compelling. I think she'd make a nice contrast to Nick as more of a traditional Grimm that's sort of an emotionless, robotic killing machine, bit I don't want to see her all the time as a regular. She's handy to show up once in awhile when Nick is in trouble but that's about as much of her as I want to see.

[formerlyfreedom]

We're veering off the episode again - there's a brand new topic for Trubel here, so please make use of it! Also, when you're talking about next year, that's (so far) just Speculation, so take that conversation to The Wishlist, please and thank you!

[tpel]

Did NIck ever propose?

 

 

Yeah, he proposed without telling her he was a Grimm -- not a shining moral moment for him. She knew he was hiding something from her, so she said 'No' but did not break up with him. Basically she was interested, but only after he was willing to tell her the truth.

 

It's just not fair. I was so ready to be done with this show. They killed the two mature professional women, leaving us with one who is literally a fox, one who seems to exist just to get pregnant every season, and the male-fantasy-badass-woman-child. Not that these latter three lack merit -- the first and the last are pretty good characters in their own right. I love Rosalie, but as Monroe's role has diminished so has hers. And Trubel has grown on me to the point that I would be happy to have her back, but then I remember that many of her best interactions were with Juliette. So now it will be all about Nick's man-pain. I think DG has improved a lot as an actor, but combined with writing that can charitably be described as "broad" (that NOOOOO NOOOOO NOOOOO scream was beyond cheesy), I'm worried that this will all be insufferable.

 

So why can't I just quit the show? One word: Meissner. Kind of embarrassing that my feminist concerns about the show may be trumped by a really hot guy ;-) Maybe I'll just watch his scenes and ignore the rest of this train wreck.

[franopy]

So why can't I just quit the show? One word: Meissner. Kind of embarrassing that my feminist concerns about the show may be trumped by a really hot guy ;-) Maybe I'll just watch his scenes and ignore the rest of this train wreck.

If you're "lucky", the writers will forget over the summer that they brought him back and you'll be free :)

 

This episode was weird for me. Although they did many of the things I wanted them to do and it probably worked on paper, it fell kind of flat for me, but I'll give them that they at least pretended to resolve the disaster that was Hexen-Juliette. For lack of a better word, the episode felt shoddy to me. Many things hastily thrown together and not very well connected. It reminded me of those undergraduate essays that clearly were written in one energy-drink fuelled night and are basically a random collection of everything an increasingly panicky student could think of with some phrases thrown in that are supposed to convey that considerable time, thought and research had gone into that assignment.

Edited May 20, 2015 by franopy

[Free]

If you're "lucky", the writers will forget over the summer that they brought him back and you'll be free :)

 

This episode was weird for me. Although they did many of the things I wanted them to do and it probably worked on paper, it fell kind of flat for me, but I'll give them that they at least pretended to resolve the disaster that was Hexen-Juliette. For lack of a better word, the episode felt shoddy to me. Many things hastily thrown together and not very well connected. It reminded me of those undergraduate essays that clearly were written in one energy-drink fuelled night and are basically a random collection of everything an increasingly panicky student could think of with some phrases thrown in that are supposed to convey that considerable time, thought and research had gone into that assignment.

 

That's because it is shoddy, this should've been an epic showdown between the Grimm team vs. the Royals, but they were never developed, they were always generic interchangeable villains and whatever they were going for Juliette's character was a major misfire in every single way (motivation, character, story/plot wise, etc.)

[Prevailing Wind]

The problem with blaming the rating on this god-awful Hexeniette plot is that it coincided with the move to 8 PM.  It's hard to tell which of the two factors is the most damning.  Me, I think it's the Hexen crap, but the time change is close on its heels.

[OtterMommy]

The problem with blaming the rating on this god-awful Hexeniette plot is that it coincided with the move to 8 PM.  It's hard to tell which of the two factors is the most damning.  Me, I think it's the Hexen crap, but the time change is close on its heels.

 

Add to that the fact that the move happened right when March Madness started and, as usually happens, ratings went down then as well.  It was a storm of everything that could go wrong.  The test will be how the show fares next season--back at 9pm and maybe without Juliette.

[spaulding]

Nick COMPLETELY wimping out in the end, holding Juliette and weeping and yelling, "NOOOO!" I'm sorry, was I supposed to be teary? Because all I wanted to do was smack Nick upside the head. See Sleepy Hollow for how to do this correctly. Damn, Nick, you're going to have to do a lot next season for me to like you again, because right now, I see you as a gutless wonder.

 

It's worst than his emo weeping at her supposedly dead body.  He couldn't bring himself to killing her.  He let go of her neck.  Ugh.  Really?  After her non-apology apology for what happened to Mama Grimm?

 

I wonder if Nick would still be looking for his stones if he knew that Juliette was too busy doing some porno while Mama Grimm was fighting for her life.  [Yeah, you can tell that I'm still pissed that the focal point of Mama Grimm's ambush was all!Juliette.]

 

Nick saying "Kill her."

 

Nick is a pathetic beta male.  He pretended that he had stones when he told Teresa & Co. to kill Juliette.  He  needs to take notes from the badass women in his life. 

 

I love Teresa.  She has the stones to do what Nick couldn't. I loved how quiet she was when she supposedly killed Juliette.  She didn't like doing it, but she did so because Juliette was out of control. 

 

I bet that Aunt Marie and Kelly would have had the stones to do what had to be done.

 

I'm not sure if Juliette will be back next season.  If she's not, I bet that Nick will be some weepy, ineffective Grimm who will have flashbacks about his wonderful life with her.  Either way, Special Snowflake Juliette will continue to impact this show. 

 

Aside from Nick and Juliette, who are the weakest characters on this show, everybody was great.  You too, Drew Wu!

Edited May 21, 2015 by spaulding

[FormerMod-a1]

I've got no problem with Nick not being able to kill Juliette and for crying for her.  They were together 5+ years (they were a well established couple at the beginning of the show, so probably more like 7+ years).  He loved her all that time, they built a life together.  So even though he knew she should be killed at this point, a few weeks of raging hexenbiest isn't going to erase all those feelings and memories.  It's not a switch you can turn off like that.   Theresa doesn't have all those years of memories or experiences and therefore the same emotional investment, plus Juliette was in the process of trying to kill Nick.  Both of those things make for a much easier decision and action.  

 

(Plus they've all only recently (like a couple of days ago, in show time) come to the realization that there was none of the Juliette left they all knew and loved.  (Or maybe just a microscopic amount).)

[Free]

 

It's worst than his emo weeping at her supposedly dead body.  He couldn't bring himself to killing her.  He let go of her neck.  Ugh.  Really?  After her non-apology apology for what happened to Mama Grimm?

 

That's Juliette's arc in a nutshell, constantly walking all over him while Nick keeps trying to beg/save her.  It's why Juliette as a villain is both poorly written/executed and hard to watch and why I don't want her to be redeemed if that's what they're trying to do.  It's so insufferable to watch.

[Dobian]

That's Juliette's arc in a nutshell, constantly walking all over him while Nick keeps trying to beg/save her.  It's why Juliette as a villain is both poorly written/executed and hard to watch and why I don't want her to be redeemed if that's what they're trying to do.  It's so insufferable to watch.

 

She's like the high school prom queen trophy girlfriend that the guy is always bending over backwards to make sure she's happy so she doesn't dump him.  It gets old real fast, compounded by the fact that said high school prom queen trophy girlfriend has now murdered his parents.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Dobian

[formerlyfreedom]

Okay, it seems that we all know where we stand on the subject, so let's 1) stop comparing Grimm to Sleepy Hollow, and B) stop beating the dead horse that is Juliette and Nick's relationship. It seems pretty clear where everyone stands, and we seem to have quit discussing the episode except for that issue.

 

Please head to The Wishlist to discuss what you'd like to see happen next year. In the meantime, please enjoy this adorable kitten.

 

[Prevailing Wind]

Is the kitten Wesen?

[WearyTraveler]

Is the kitten Wesen?

 

Win!

[ShadowFacts]

I rewatched the episode, and in the helicopter scene, I noticed that the little actress who plays Diana looked genuinely scared when Meissner cut the king out of his seatbelt and pushed him out.  I hope the little cutie wasn't too upset, she did seem to smile quite widely at Meissner right afterward, though it may have been a different take.  I am very curious as to the identity of the hooded co-pilot.  If it turns out to be Kelly, I'll be glad she's not dead but kind of ticked off that somebody else got beheaded. 

[Free]

Perhaps if Juliette hadn't just been trying to kill Nick right before he wept over her. Perhaps if Bitsie was a better actress and we understood why she sounded contrite one second and like a robot the next. Perhaps if they'd shown ONE SHRED of decency in her before she died, Or that she hadn't had his mom beheaded. I might have felt bad. Maybe because I just never found Juliette a compelling character. Or found even a trace of chemistry between her and Nick. Or the fact that, as others have pointed out, Nick always had to grovel and BEG for her love, then MAYBE I would have understood.

 

But her blaming everyone else for her condition, even though she went into everything with her eyes wide open. Her running around telling everyone Nick cheated on her without giving them details. Him just being this lovesick puppy as she ran roughshod all over him, just made me think ONE MORE TIME, Nick is a weepy, crying, wimpy mess over Juliette, and I hated it. 

 

Exactly, usually I love villain characters, but not only was her character poorly written and completely out of her depth, it was just painful to watch Nick and the others continually got walked over by Juliette and not in the good villain, love to hate way.  It was just horrible to watch Nick fail again and again because of bad writing preventing him from actually defending himself.

[OtterMommy]

If it turns out to be Kelly, I'll be glad she's not dead but kind of ticked off that somebody else got beheaded. 

 

Well, it wouldn't be the first time.  Remember, 20 years ago her friend was beheaded....

[Dowel Jones]

Is the kitten Wesen?

 

 

I'm actually kind of sad to see Juliet go.  It might be sort of fun to see a hexenbeast as a veterinarian.

 

Bowes-Lyon (the late Queen Mother's surname in real life)

 

And they are most definitely not amused.

[Commando Cody]

Didn't she look at someone's horse once in season one?

[OtterMommy]

Didn't she look at someone's horse once in season one?

 

Yes, and she also said that she castrated a bulldog.

[ShadowFacts]

And of course, Adalind's cat.

[Shadda2]

I watched it again last night and enjoyed it more knowing how it ended.  There was a lot more humor in it than I remember from the first viewing. The scene where Adalind took the head to the hotel was very funny.  The fact that she put the head in the closet, then closed the door, then reopened the door with a flourish so she could start screaming cracked me up.

 

I may even watch it a third time since it got better upon second viewing.  Still didn't like Nick not being able to kill Juliette, but I've chosen to let it go.

[SmithW6079]

The scene where Adalind took the head to the hotel was very funny. The fact that she put the head in the closet, then closed the door, then reopened the door with a flourish so she could start screaming cracked me up.

Adalind's had a few scenes that have been lighthearted, and she handles them well.

[jhlipton]

Is the kitten Wesen?

 

It's a NettesKleinesKätzchen!

(Trust German to make anything sound frightening. I like to shout "Ich Lieber Dich!" at my wife from time to time...)

[Syme]

It was nicely convenient that Kenny just happened to fit the prostitute's description of Jack the Ripper. However any competent police work would reveal that Jack had a broad cockney accent, not Ken's posh one. But I guess a British accent is a British accent, huh, Portland police?

Who would know? Only a few cops heard him speak when he was being arrested....

Plus, I suspect the "surviving witness" was a plant; didn't that attack take place after Renard the Ripper was de-possessed?

 

I didn't even consider that the wesen FBI Agent could be coming for Trubel until it was mentioned here, because the agent was established as a "good" character.

 

It's clear the FeeBee Chavez's task & goal are ....unclear.....

We don't know if Chavez is working against Trubel... or with her...

 

 

When they made it clear that no one held Renard responsible for Jack the Ripper murders because he was possessed, I thought that was a clear indication that they were going to go down that same road with Juliette.

 

More to the point, look at the "drive the demon Ripper out of Renard" treatment and think about a similar purging/redemption of Juliette...

 

 

 

I missed something. Why did Juliette go back to the house instead of getting on the helicopter?

 

 

Do we know she didn't get on? I was unclear on that. I assume the pilot would be happy to drop her off wherever...

 

Actually the whole ending seemed messy and chaotic to me..........it just seemed clumsy and unlikely to actually work.  But I just don't feel like watching it again to see if I can pick up any clues.

What {s}he said. In the words of Logan Echols......"Awkward"

 

Oh, well.  At least this season is over.

 Yep.

 

Awww, don't those two just have the sweetest meet-cute? So romantic.

 

Super glad Trubel is back and will likely be sticking around next season (for at least part of the season if not the whole thing. Arcs are promising!) I'm glad they didn't just forget about her kidnapping by Agent Chavez and are actually intending to follow up on it!

I didn't have much of an emotional reaction to anything in this ep, probably because the show doesn't really establish the stakes in their battles......

If it weren't for Trubel, I would have jumped ship on this show long ago.

 +++++++

 

I think Kenny's death scene was 100% about Nick wanting to kill him with his own hands, and his friends deciding giving him that closure was more important than justice or finding someone to pin the Ripper murders on. Though I just do not get how Kenny was so certain he was going to walk out of there alive.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hubris

 

I'm skeptical that Theresa would ever give up any info about Nick under duress. He's the guy who showed her she wasn't insane, opened up his home to her, educated her about their heritage, believed in her as his replacement, and generally has just been the awesome big brother she never had. The fact that she was willing to put down Juliette—whose evil side she'd never previously experienced firsthand—on his behalf without hesitation tells me her loyalty is pretty much unshakeable.

Agreed on all counts...

Edited May 27, 2015 by Syme

[Free]

 

Do we know she didn't get on? I was unclear on that. I assume the pilot would be happy to drop her off wherever..

 

Apparently not, but that's what makes her rushed alliance with the Royals that much more ridiculous.

[jelaine]

 

Plus, I suspect the "surviving witness" was a plant; didn't that attack take place after Renard the Ripper was de-possessed?

No.  He'd captured Wu and driven off in the police car before finding some blonde prostitute to kill.  Nick and Hank show up just in time and that's when they capture Sean and take him to the Spice Shop for the de-Jacking.

 

The thing that tested my suspension of disbelief was that anyone would that concerned about two prostitutes being killed if the Jack the Ripper info hadn't leaked somehow and I thought they still had that information under wraps.

 

But then again, this is the show that shows us Juliette walking towards the helicopter carrying Diana, but she shows up at Casa Grimm with no explanation.

 

[Shadda2]

I really don't have any problem with Juliette walking toward the helicopter carrying Diana and then showing up at the Grimm's house.  She carried Diana to the helicopter, strapped her in and then left.  There did not look like there was enough room on the copter for more than 4 people.  Two were piloting and two were sitting in the other two seats.  Where was she going to sit?

[ShadowFacts]

I really don't have any problem with Juliette walking toward the helicopter carrying Diana and then showing up at the Grimm's house.  She carried Diana to the helicopter, strapped her in and then left.  There did not look like there was enough room on the copter for more than 4 people.  Two were piloting and two were sitting in the other two seats.  Where was she going to sit?

 

That's a good point.  I guess when I initially viewed it, I just assumed she was sitting behind the 4 of them, behind a partition.  I'm not familiar with helicopter layouts.  But it seemed very much like king perv was really excited to be having Juliette come along to Austria, him being so fond of hexenbiests.  Though I suppose if she just refused, what was he going to do?  She could make mincemeat of him.

[spaulding]

But then again, this is the show that shows us Juliette walking towards the helicopter carrying Diana, but she shows up at Casa Grimm with no explanation.

 

I assumed that Juliette would have been in the helicopter.  She burned all ties to Portland, and the king was going to give her a new life in Vienna. 

 

I wish the transition from the helicopter to the house was better explained. 

 

But it seemed very much like king perv was really excited to be having Juliette come along to Austria, him being so fond of hexenbiests.  Though I suppose if she just refused, what was he going to do?  She could make mincemeat of him.

 

With the queen dead, Juliette would have lived an extravagant life in Vienna.  Granted, she never said anything about a desire to move to Vienna, but I assumed that she would because she was walking towards the helicopter. 

 

I wonder if Renard's mom is free and doesn't have to be in hiding because the queen is dead.  If so, Renard should have been able to reach her.

[Free]

 

With the queen dead, Juliette would have lived an extravagant life in Vienna.  Granted, she never said anything about a desire to move to Vienna, but I assumed that she would because she was walking towards the helicopter.

 

The problem is that we don't know anything, Juliette's entire character storyline was a complete mess with no clear, defining motivation so we don't know what she wants because she can change at a whim whenever it's convenient.