S04.E09: Where The Sun Don't Shine

[roomtorome]

With the weird choice to have such close ups, especially when they are all pontificating with the never-ending screeching monologues, KW's sneering became really too weird for me to actually watch yesterday - sounds petty, I know but I was just so put off by it.  It seems there are times when it does not happen so, I don't get it - why do it if she has any control over it; it is so incredibly discomforting.  

 

So, everyone is evil and stupid on the show - I get it but gosh, just a few likable folks thrown in would at least make it more dimensional for me.  But, I don't think the writers know or care about that nor do I think the writers are good enough to pull it off.  Not all likable characters are boring and good writers know how to make that work - oh well.  This is the bunch of writers who think that those endless monologues are interesting and well-acted.  They are not - not to me, anyway.  It is more challenging to write good dialogue but then again….

[Spartan Girl]

Mellie handled the news about Andrew with poise and some good lines, at least. Shame about Andrew.

 

 

She took it like a champ, gotta give her that..

 

Olivia, if you actually chose yourself over Jake and Fitz, you'd stop bringing up Vermont and the sun all together instead of keeping an open door on both of them.

[CofCinci]

She wants the Sun. She wants Vermont. Will Shonda give us a Fitz-Liv-Jake threeway? Or perhaps the Eiffel Tower we leaned about a few episodes ago.

I think I could enjoy the marriage between Cyrus and his prostitute (don't remember his name).

[PiggyRod]

This show is awesome.  

 

 

This show is crap.

 

I am somewhere between these two...

[Guest Accused Dingo]

I actually thought Olivia's line about chosing herself was very well done considering the corcumstances. First off she is in the middle of a break down being hit over the head once again with the fact that BOTH her parents are psychopaths and still the two men in her life are all chose me and dick measuring. Olivia actually likes bith their plans but they are not really her dream. If either of them want to be in her life it will be on HER terms from now on; not theirs and she is perfectly fine on her own....thank you very much.

And for the record when this show is firing on all cylindars like it did this episode this show is awesome. There was not a scene or story i hated. Even Fitz was tolerable.

Edited November 21, 2014 by Accused Dingo

[Timetoread]

I've been tired of this show for a while but I admit that I enjoyed the comedy I saw last night.  I rolled at Quinn and Charlie fighting to the theme of Endless Love. I hollered at Jake and Liv AIRQUOTE dancing AIRQUOTE.  I guffawed at Mellie reminding Mrs. DeGeneres of which bitch has the biggest balls in DC.  I always laugh until crying at Cyrus' hair piece.  I just can't with that thing.  I.Just.Can't.  But hands down for me the best moment was seeing Olivia get owned by both of her parents.  Particularly Mama Pope.  Not to be too racial but you gotta love black mama's.  When Liv started quivering and squeaking I could hear my own mother talking to me years ago saying, "Girl you better dry that mess up before I give you something to cry about."  Then Mama Pope said basically the same thing.  LOVED IT!

Edited November 21, 2014 by Timetoread

[LydiaMoon1]

I think I could enjoy the marriage between Cyrus and his prostitute (don't remember his name).

If the rental is willing to give poor, little abandoned Ella some quality time and attention, I'm all for him.

[mwell345]

 

Best unintentional comedy moment on the show was learning that the men of B613 had a king card and the women had a queen card. I'm picturing the office pariah of B613 being told he's the one who has to go around to every corner store and buy up all their packs of playing cards, and then print the faces of the targets on them. And he's all pouty because he gets stuck with the scutwork while everyone else gets to be an assassin.

 

And "Command" probably had him killed when he was done because he, you know, knew too much.

[Sidney]

If the rental is willing to give poor, little abandoned Ella some quality time and attention, I'm all for him.

 

Me too!  With the same little actress.

[Oblique Angle]

But hands down for me the best moment was seeing Olivia get owned by both of her parents

Maya will probably never see the light of day again and Rowan now has a permanent target on his back. Meanwhile, Olivia is free to stay involved with the two men they despise. I'd argue that Olivia is the mess she is largely due to their evil machinations and despite all their epic speechifying they do not in fact own her. I believe at this point Ma and Pa Pope's contempt is beneath Olivia's.

[Catherinewriter]

Questions and such: 

 

Why does Charlie call Quinn "Robin"? Was that a thing from before and what does it mean?

 

Why has it taken so long for Fitz's enemies to realize that kidnapping Liv is the way to get to him. I've always wondered why she seems so safe walking around Washington, entering her apartment and not locking the door, whatever. Seems odd.

 

Is Rowan a vampire, is that why no one can kill him?

 

Supposedly LisaGay Hamilton was in last night's ep. Did anyone see her? (the lovely lass from the Boston law show awhile back). 

 

And what does the damned potention was in West Angola have to do with anything?

 

So much potential in this show - so much disappointment. 

[Jade Foxx]

Loved the scene where Olivia was going to go in to the Oval, and saw Cyrus, Pres, and Abby all having a great time.  And when Olivia's mother and father BOTH put her in her place.

 

This scene harkened back to when Livvie was told, don't get it twisted -  she's just "the help."

 

I'm loving Quinn more than I thought I ever could.

 

Buuut, the show still sucks. I hate-watch for the fashion porn, and the utter ridiculousness of it all.

[Primetimer]

Even though all of the B6-13 agents are being murdered and Lizzie and the Veep are trying to force a war in West Angola.

Read the story

[Timetoread]

Maya will probably never see the light of day again and Rowan now has a permanent target on his back. Meanwhile, Olivia is free to stay involved with the two men they despise. I'd argue that Olivia is the mess she is largely due to their evil machinations and despite all their epic speechifying they do not in fact own her. I believe at this point Ma and Pa Pope's contempt is beneath Olivia's.

 

Phrasing.  Specifically directed at how neither one tolerated her bullcrap.  That said, Olivia Pope is the rotten apple that fell from both their trees.  Running around being the professional mistress of a sitting president is no grand accomplishment.  For all of HER speechifying she is nothing more than a glorified whore, a white man's prize (to use her father's words), a weak woman who finds it impossible to sleep alone and on the three nights a year that she doesn't have somebody's husband inside of her, drinks or cries herself to sleep.  And it is most likely due to the long successful careers in opposing evil that both her parents enjoyed that Olivia didn't end up in the Potomac River or a shallow grave in Rock Creek Park a long time ago.  No assassin was willing to touch the only daughter of Command.  Like Papa Pope said, it was because of all that he did, that she now turns her nose up at and sicks one of her p-whipped boyfriends on him for, that put her through the boarding schools and Ivy League colleges so that she can pretend to be The Great Olivia Pope.  Sadly, with all the money and muscle he poured into his daughter, he didn't give her an ounce of self respect. 

Edited November 21, 2014 by Timetoread

[damalanop]

Supposedly LisaGay Hamilton was in last night's ep. Did anyone see her? (the lovely lass from the Boston law show awhile back).

 

 

Yep!  She was the ambassador from West Angola.  Appeared with Fitz in the first part of the show.  I'm not even going to comment on what I didn't like because I've pretty much given up serious commentary with this show.  But I did LOVE: the Maya and Olivia scene, because who doesn't love when a mama keeps it real with her daughter (who desperately needs it) and can dry up tears with a word and a specific tone of voice?  Also loved Jake's dancing. During scenes such as that one, I much prefer Jake and Olivia to Fitz and Olivia.

[jjj]

I don' think anyone mentioned the finger!  ("You have a finger?")  First, ewwww.  Second, did you notice that the picture of the actual (former) owner of the finger popped up on the security guard's screen, but he was busy watching Quinn sashay down the hall. 

[Oblique Angle]

Phrasing.  Specifically directed at how neither one tolerated her bullcrap. 

I understood the original usage and still don't think it works in any sense of the word. So what if they don't tolerate her "bullcrap"? She doesn't tolerate theirs either except when they've momentarily guilted her into it. No matter how much they try to put her down with cutting words, it doesn't change the fact that she's not in prison or on the lam like they are. (Although it could be argued that she, Cyrus, Mellie, Fitz, etc., should be under the jail but that's another issue.) Liv is free to be silent and just walk away from their hatefulness.

 

Olivia is an adult. Her current status as maybe an alcoholic but definitely the sexual playtoy of two unworthy men is on her and not for Ma and Pa Pope to try to correct by, for example, killing an innocent child. She is largely what they built with all the various kinds mindfcukery and undermining they've used on her. I think their verbally "owning" her is just them trying to blame the victim and being pissed that she's no longer willing to be their puppet.

[Timetoread]

I understood the original usage and still don't think it works in any sense of the word. So what if they don't tolerate her "bullcrap"? She doesn't tolerate theirs either except when they've momentarily guilted her into it. No matter how much they try to put her down with cutting words, it doesn't change the fact that she's not in prison or on the lam like they are. (Although it could be argued that she, Cyrus, Mellie, Fitz, etc., should be under the jail but that's another issue.) Liv is free to be silent and just walk away from their hatefulness.

 

Olivia is an adult. Her current status as maybe an alcoholic but definitely the sexual playtoy of two unworthy men is on her and not for Ma and Pa Pope to try to correct by, for example, killing an innocent child. She is largely what they built with all the various kinds mindfcukery and undermining they've used on her. I think their verbally "owning" her is just them trying to blame the victim and being pissed that she's no longer willing to be their puppet.

 

Neither one, though both are hateable people, HATE their only child.  They are not trying to be puppeteers or blame her for anything other than her own misguided behavior.  They are trying to get her to wake the hell up and be better than what she is now.  Her every, single, solitary action is dictated by the male lollipop du jour that she's sucking on.  The Popes want their daughter to realize that she is better than ALL of the men she clings to - better than THEM in fact, because she is not a criminal for hire (well she wasn't supposed to be).  Jake is a hired gun and former employee of her fathers.  Fitz is a married, spoiled rich kid who stops short of leaving a wad of cash on her nightstand, but not much shorter.  Her father does what he does but NEVER wanted her involved in it, and her mother missed her whole life because she was locked up.  Her parents are dangerous people, the both of them, but not dangerous to her.  She does that to herself.  If Olivia took up with a nice man who treated her like the Queen her parents hoped she'd be, they'd kill anybody that even threatened that legitimate happiness.  But in their eyes Olivia is slumming and letting the slumlord rent her on the cheap.  So yeah, they have extreme cutting words for that nonsense.  Any parent would.

[minirth]

Could someone help me out with the Abby/Leo thing? Did she cheat on David or was this during one of the times they weren't together? I can't place Leo -- is he the smarmy handler who was managing the crazy Christian VP's Presidential run?

[jjj]

I had to think hard -- but remember, he recently ratted out her ex-husband when he learned she had been beaten by him.  Then the kiss in the press briefing room! 

[Timetoread]

I would have kissed him too.  He was full of win on that one.

[PrincessTT]

Given Andrew's "the one thing in the world you can't live without, the one thing you'd do anything to get back" to Fitz about Liv, this show is not even trying to hide the fact that Fitz cares more about Liv than his 2 living children and everyone he works with knows it. 

 

I don' think anyone mentioned the finger!  ("You have a finger?")  First, ewwww.  Second, did you notice that the picture of the actual (former) owner of the finger popped up on the security guard's screen, but he was busy watching Quinn sashay down the hall. 

 

I was wondering why Quinn took the whole finger... Could she not have just taken the layers of skin with the fingerprint and put them on her finger, or made a jelly mold of the fingerprint (I saw that on CSI:NY once) just anything a bit more discreet then pulling out a whole finger.

[Cirien]

 

 

Why does Charlie call Quinn "Robin"? Was that a thing from before and what does it mean?

I could be wrong I think this from last season, when Huck rejected Quinn and her psycho ways and someone how Charlie started training her. Hence he's the "Batman" to her "Robin"

[mandigirl]

 

Why does Charlie call Quinn "Robin"? Was that a thing from before and what does it mean?

Quinn's real name is Robin. That was her name before see got framed for killing her boyfriend and Olivia/Huck gave her a new identity out of guilt. This all happened I believe end of season one into the beginning of season 2.  It's kinda cute that he calls her that in its own way. 

 

I loved this episode, even though it wasn't perfect. The speech to Cy wasn't my favorite. But who cares when you have:

 

1) Two very attractive men fighting over Liv

2) The oh so entertaining War of the Popes

3) MELLY! Being a boss! Loved it!

 

While it's clear that nothing is going to happen to Liv, it will be fun to see how the different factions of the Pope-dom-- including Papa Pope-- react to her getting kidnapped.

 

So does that mean that VP never loved Melly at all? Was he playing them the whole time (i.e. all the way back when he was Lt. Gov.)? Or was this is a response to Fitz breaking him and Melly up? I really can't tell. I'm kinda bummed about the VP- I wish this had been the RNC woman's plan alone.

[Guest Accused Dingo]

Why does Charlie call Quinn "Robin"? Was that a thing from before and what does it mean?

 

 

When Charlie first approached Quinn to recruit her for B613 he said "hey Robin, how's Batman?" Meaning Huck. Quinn was in a shootong range after Huck had yelled at her stop asking to learn more about what he did. Charley had no issue teaching her...well tricking her into comitting murder really.

Quinns real name is Lindsay Dwyer

Edited November 22, 2014 by Accused Dingo

[PrincessTT]

Quinn's real name is Robin. That was her name before see got framed for killing her boyfriend and Olivia/Huck gave her a new identity out of guilt. This all happened I believe end of season one into the beginning of season 2.  It's kinda cute that he calls her that in its own way. 

 

Quinn's real name is Lindsey Dwyer. 

 

Robin is what Charlie calls her, as in Batman & Robin, because she was Huck's sidekick when Charlie first met her.

[lion10]

Neither one, though both are hateable people, HATE their only child.  They are not trying to be puppeteers or blame her for anything other than her own misguided behavior.  They are trying to get her to wake the hell up and be better than what she is now.  Her every, single, solitary action is dictated by the male lollipop du jour that she's sucking on.  The Popes want their daughter to realize that she is better than ALL of the men she clings to - better than THEM in fact, because she is not a criminal for hire (well she wasn't supposed to be).  Jake is a hired gun and former employee of her fathers.  Fitz is a married, spoiled rich kid who stops short of leaving a wad of cash on her nightstand, but not much shorter.  Her father does what he does but NEVER wanted her involved in it, and her mother missed her whole life because she was locked up.  Her parents are dangerous people, the both of them, but not dangerous to her.  She does that to herself.  If Olivia took up with a nice man who treated her like the Queen her parents hoped she'd be, they'd kill anybody that even threatened that legitimate happiness.  But in their eyes Olivia is slumming and letting the slumlord rent her on the cheap.  So yeah, they have extreme cutting words for that nonsense.  Any parent would.

 

 

But that's still her choice to make.  What her father does to her is NOT love, it is about control with highly sexist overtones.  As an aside, if Olivia were a man, I think Rowan would still try to manipulate him, but in a different fashion.  I can't emphasize this enough:  a loving parent doesn't send their child away from their home after the "death" of her mother for a decade and become emotionally withdrawn.  Olivia and Rowan have the contentious relationship they have because he isn't her father except in a proprietary sense ("The woman I built").  He bankrolled her and that was it.  He killed the child of the man she loves out of pure spite.  He berates her time and time again.  And now he's shocked that she hates him?  

[Julia]

The common thread in Olivia's current relationships with men seems to be that all of them eventually tell her that unless she follows their plan for her vagina, someone's gonna die. Rowan was not only the first, he trained her to be someone who was willing to accept that. He let a series of overpriced schools teach her that her value lies in the attention she gets from lordlings and trust fund babies. Which, dutifully, is exactly how she lives her life.

As for her mom, there are things I really enjoyed doing when I was single and didn't have a kid that I haven't done in 20 years because I'm responsible for more than myself now. I think being a homicidal international terrorist for hire would belong on that list for someone who was interested in being a parent to their child.

I'm not super impressed that the two of them don't like the way she raised herself. It doesn't seem to me as if anyone else wanted the job.

[Ohmo]

When the hell haven't you chosen yourself?

 

I liked this, actually.  At least she's finally admitted that she wants both men and appears to love them close to equally.  That seems more honest to me than having to have been constantly shoveled that crap that she and Fitz were destined somehow.  Please.

 

Upthrread, in the conversation about whether Olivia's parents hate her...I don't think they hate her, but I don't think they love her either.  They're both murderous people, and they trot Olivia out like she's some testament to their greatness whenever it suits their needs.  Rowan moreso than Maya, but even she did it when she was being questioned and she thought Olivia would help her.  I like Khandi Alexander and Joe Morton, but I'm through with their characters.  Someone SHOULD shoot Rowan and Maya enough times to ensure they're dead and be done with them.  I'm also joining the chorus pleading for an end to B6-13.

 

Ticked off that Andrew is using Mellie, but loved how Mellie smacked down Elizabeth.

 

After James (who Cyrus actually loved), Michael and Cyrus are just gross.  I hope that storyline doesn't drag on forever.

 

I felt sad for David, but I also liked Abby and Leo's kiss in the press room.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Ohmo

[JAYJAY1979]

So Olivia finally declares that she is choosing herself.. not Vermont with Fritz nor the sun lite islands with Jake.. then started dancing.  However, just as we get progress, she vanishes.  I have a sinking feeling that Fritz/Jake will work together to rescue her then we are back at square one with this triangle.. ugh.

 

I did like Mellie reading Liz.  Not enough Mellie.. but sometimes a little goes a long way.

 

I think they need a new associate at OPA.. would open up some new avenues to explore and keep things from getting stale.

 

Cyrus quitting would have been interesting.. but instead Olivia's stupid speech made him go back to working for the president.

 

Why is this show afraid to evolve?

[Guest Accused Dingo]

I think they need a new associate at OPA.. would open up some new avenues to explore and keep things from getting stale.

Cyrus quitting would have been interesting.. but instead Olivia's stupid speech made him go back to working for the president.

 

 

Cyrus working at OPA......Rosen worked at OPA for awhile and that was the most interesting his character ever was.  Cyrus working there would be like fireworks exploding in a dynamite factory.  

[Mama No Life]

Are we going to talk about Kerry Washington's rather horrible dancing?

 

No?

 

Ok.

[Almost 3000]

Are we going to talk about Kerry Washington's rather horrible dancing?

 

No?

 

Ok.

I thought they seemed pretty equally skilled in the free form dance style. :)

[Sidney]

How on earth can Andrew still continue to be VP after all this mess blows up? Will he threatened to blackmail him and to public about him and Mellie? Or Fitz and Olivia?

It's not like he have any allies in the WH anymore. Maybe Andrew and Elizabeth is banking on Fitz's hand being forced to resign or something. I just don't see how Andrew can survive being VP after this. But, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Olivia told Fitz that Andrew was the wrong pick. I guess he wish he would have listened now.

[OjaiHoney]

I loved the dancing!!! music has always been a key component of this show and this episode with Dontch'a worry bout a thing and Endless Love filled all my glee filled head!! Loved the dancing. Loved Jake. I really thought a sniper was going to get him. Anyway it will be nice to have a break for a few months because I was getting "over" this show, but now I think I will look forward to it again. Good job show!

[Guest Accused Dingo]

How on earth can Andrew still continue to be VP after all this mess blows up? Will he threatened to blackmail him and to public about him and Mellie? Or Fitz and Olivia?

It's not like he have any allies in the WH anymore. Maybe Andrew and Elizabeth is banking on Fitz's hand being forced to resign or something. I just don't see how Andrew can survive being VP after this. But, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Olivia told Fitz that Andrew was the wrong pick. I guess he wish he would have listened now.

 

I am not banking on either of them living much longer.  Neither of them realize how  deep Fitz (or more to the point...Olivia) rolls.  I mean if Fitz thinks clearly for a second and buys a day he can call on Olivia's "other" sex toy who is a trained killer who know other trained killers; two of which actually work at OTP.   Then their are the stream of people in the White House who are still loyal to him (or mostly loyal to him) who are very dangerous like Mellie and Cyrus both both of who helped steal an election.  We are not even getting into Oliva's parents and assuming neither of them are in on it....what do you think either of them would do to the person who kidnapped their baby girl (even if they are kinda pissed at her at the moment.)?  

 

Andrew and Elizabeth didn't really think this through to well past the point of lets get Fitz and make loads of money; either that or they vastly underestimated Fitz and his rolodex of criminals.  

Edited November 23, 2014 by Accused Dingo

[wanderingstar]

 OjaiHoney, I loved Olivia & Jake's dancing as well. It felt like an actual intimate moment a couple might have. That's why I was so scared Jake was going to be taken out in the midst of it.

 

I have a sinking feeling that Fritz/Jake will work together to rescue her then we are back at square one with this triangle.. ugh.

 

 

JAYJAY1979, whatever gave you that idea :-)

[Sidney]

I am not banking on either of them living much longer.  Neither of them realize how  deep Fitz (or more to the point...Olivia) rolls.  I mean if Fitz thinks clearly for a second and buys a day he can call on Olivia's "other" sex toy who is a trained killer who know other trained killers; two of which actually work at OTP.   Then their are the stream of people in the White House who are still loyal to him (or mostly loyal to him) who are very dangerous like Mellie and Cyrus both both of who helped steal an election.  We are not even getting into Oliva's parents and assuming neither of them are in on it....what do you think either of them would do to the person who kidnapped their baby girl (even if they are kinda pissed at her at the moment.)?  

 

Andrew and Elizabeth didn't really think this through to well past the point of lets get Fitz and make loads of money; either that or they vastly underestimated Fitz and his rolodex of criminals.  

 

Yeah, it just don't look good for Andrew or Lizzie. So, that would mean he'll need another VP.

[Eolivet]

Olivia actually likes bith their plans but they are not really her dream. If either of them want to be in her life it will be on HER terms from now on; not theirs and she is perfectly fine on her own....thank you very much.

 

That's such a good way to put it. For someone who enjoys Liv and Fitz under the right circumstances, but wants to beat the idea of Vermont into a jammy pulp, it's such a good point that it's Fitz's fantasy, not hers. As the island in the sun is Jake's fantasy, and also not hers. I like how Liv has come alive this past half-season -- you can tell that her true passion is this life, and the draw of politics and power.

 

I'm sure others have said this, but the Liv/Papa Pope relationship was really reminding me of Meredith and Ellis on Grey's Anatomy. Papa Pope has all but begged Liv to be extraordinary. Vermont is ordinary. The island in the sun is ordinary. Olivia is meant for bigger and better, and that's what her father -- in his twisted way -- keeps trying to tell her.

 

Living up to parental expectations was one of my favorite part of Grey's, though Scandal appears to be more about subverting them. I hope it isn't the last we've seen of Papa Pope. He adds a whole other dimension to Liv, relationship-wise, outside of the soapy love triangle.

[HotForBacon]

Is someone keeping track of how many times "standing/stand in the sun" has been mentioned this season so far? Someone should.

[Happytobehere]

Cyrus and James were such a sweet love story. Why make Cy marry the hooker? I know they'll spin it into true love eventually, but it will never be that to those of us who loved Cy & James.

The Cyrus and James loved story I watched included Cyrus using James like people use toilet paper; Cyrus plotting to have James killed in broad daylight; and last and least simply because James died, pimping James out. The love is so overwhelming, I am fighting back the tears.

As others have pointed out, the problem with kidnapping Liv, aside from the initial shock value, is that we know Liv's in no danger, so it's is ultimately a letdown.

The Mellie/Lizzie Bear scene actually just served to reinforce what Cyrus told Liv when he said something along the lines of Mellie is her own worst enemy because her smugness and need to show everyone in the room up, will always do her in. You know that something major is going down involving Andrew and Lizzie Bear, but instead of playing your cards close to the vest and using Andrew and Lizzie to position yourself for the grand moment you feel entitled to, you throw your hold-card in Lizzie Bear's face. Now neither she nor Andrew will be in a position to be played by you.

My question about Andrew is how long has been been running game on Ditz and Smellie? Cause he is involved in some next level ish and that screams he has always been down and dirty and Ditz and Smellie just couldn't see the truth because in their own ways, they are both dumb. Liv didn't figure it out because as we have seen forever, her relationship with Ditz makes her incompetent.

As for Huck, if Kim now believes that you are a trained government killer, why would she allow you near Javi? I mean he witnessed you kill someone and is traumatized. All Huck has given Kim is a reason to be terrified of him rather than having the modicum of pity she has shown him.

[Happytobehere]

Why has it taken so long for Fitz's enemies to realize that kidnapping Liv is the way to get to him. I've always wondered why she seems so safe walking around Washington, entering her apartment and not locking the door, whatever. Seems odd.

This is where people's tuning out Rowan's OTT speechifying comes into play. Based on what we have seen since Season One, Jake's introduction and Rowna's comments, he has always had one of his guys watching over Liv? Remember the pictures of Liv and Edison sent to Fitz, that was B-613, remember how he was there to scoop her up when Fitz dropped the mistress bomb? Remember his connection to Cyrus and Liv being his student and the person brought into save Fitz, don't think that happened without Daddy Poope's consent. So Rowan's comments of Olivia seeing what her life would be like without him is coming to fruition. He is now longer watching her from the shadows, making sure doors are opened for her, so she is now vulnerable.

[ToukieSmith]

For the most part this episode is exactly why i love this show but if Fitz declares war to save Olivia i will scream.

 

You know he will use taxpayer's resources to save his mistress.  The Washington press corp sucks. 

 

If the rental is willing to give poor, little abandoned Ella some quality time and attention, I'm all for him.

 

I don't want Ella anywhere near these psychopaths.  She is better off with the nanny.

Edited November 23, 2014 by ToukieSmith

[panthergirl13]

I don' think anyone mentioned the finger!  ("You have a finger?")  First, ewwww.  Second, did you notice that the picture of the actual (former) owner of the finger popped up on the security guard's screen, but he was busy watching Quinn sashay down the hall. 

Someone, at some point, decided that Quinn is "sexy".  I DON'T GET IT. 

[panthergirl13]

Also, didn't Jake give Olivia a gun? Maybe she handed it back to him while I was mid-eyeroll at some point? I was sure she was going to whip it out and shoot Joe Morton (at this point, she can shoot the actual actor and not the character and I'd be ok with that) so when she grabbed his gun I was confused.

 

From the recap: "they get in a giant Mr. And Mrs. Smith-style fight while "Endless Love" plays in the background," For me, this was a "War of the Roses" homage. Then again, I am ancient.

 

The dancing. OMG the dancing. Scott Foley was bad? KW was horrid.... worse than Ellen Pompeo and that's saying a lot.

 

Since when is Cyrus someone worth saving? The guy is a complete piece of shit, so every time he invokes the name of James I want to throw up.

 

And finally, Huck, if you want someone to read something it's probably good to pick out a page or two. TLDNR, baby.

[txhorns79]

Will Shonda give us a Fitz-Liv-Jake threeway?

 

The sad part is that I fully expect this to happen.  Of course, because this show is about twists, Fitz and Jake will probably kick Olivia out of bed and start making out with each other. 

 

And am I wrong, or was Mellie sitting there in the room when Fitz realized that going after something important to him could only mean Olivia?  Do you think he even considered for a moment that his family could be in danger, or does he even care about them at this point?      

[Guest Accused Dingo]

The dancing. OMG the dancing. Scott Foley was bad? KW was horrid.... worse than Ellen Pompeo and that's saying a lot

 

 

I thought her dancing was fine (if a little bit frantic - but that was the point).  But then I am not a professional dancer and this isn't a Dancing Contest Show so who am I to judge?

 

 

Someone, at some point, decided that Quinn is "sexy".  I DON'T GET IT.

 

 

I get it.  Everyone has a a type.  She happens to be mine.   Plus I find Quinn's storyline since the beginning fascinating.  Who else on the show has had the extreme character arc that she has.  I like that in a story; but that is just me.  

 

Cyrus and James were such a sweet love story. Why make Cy marry the hooker?

 

 

I actually liked Cyrus and James together.  James was a humanizing factor for Cyrus or at least as humanizing as Cyrus could be.  The scenes where the two of them fought I thought were the best Cyrus scenes in the show.  I was actually sad when James got killed off; I truly believed that Cyrus loved James but was just no good for him especially since James was a innocent and believed that Washington was a nice place.  As for the hooker; I think that could be a beautiful story as well given some good writing.  Hell Cyrus needs a tether and the hooker could be just that for him.  (Damn I need to learn his name.)  

[Anna Yolei]

Plus I find Quinn's storyline since the beginning fascinating.  Who else on the show has had the extreme character arc that she has.

Next to Walter White, I can't think of any character on any show with such an extreme character arc as Quinn's. I still can't say she's my favorite character, but it's an improvement over being Exposition Chick and standing around all wide eyed while the rest of OPA works.

This episode wasn't so bad, mostly because Tony Goldwin directed it, so we got maybe three scenes of Ditz (love that nickname!). Mellie in her one scene cracked me up, as usual. BY needs to do sitcoms or something after this show is over.

[JAYJAY1979]

I do agree that Quinn's overall arc from season 1 episode 1 through this past episode is the only consistent arc. The character change has been semi gradual and ample justification has been given. My question would be where to take her from this point?

Ironic.that her arrival started the show off.

[DXD526]

Has anyone mentioned that Olivia supposedly put on the Stevie Wonder album "Songs In the Key of Life", but the song that played, "Don't You Worry Bout A Thing", is actually off "Innervisions"?