S48.E12: Icarus Time

[rhygirl720]

So much futility.

The right time to make the move against Joe/Eva was last week when he didn't have immunity.

 I like Joe and deserves the win at this point. I want to believe he is the hero we see being portrayed. It does however feel like a character in a tv show and not truly authentic.

Edited Thursday at 04:36 PM by rhygirl720

[ljenkins782]

35 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

Kyle and Shauhin went from "it's too early to make a move on Eva and Joe," to "we can't have either Eva and Joe on the jury because they will stan for the other." And that's true, but so what? Joe maybe has the influence, but I doubt Eva does.

Considering the truncated format of the 26-day seasons, putting Eva on the jury this past vote would have given her maybe 2 days in the jury house and I sort of doubt she’d be able to recover from her own disappointment or anger in time to become a master influencer.

Shauhin, on the other hand, is a pretty good speaker and his job is debating, so he could be an influential juror in a short time. 
 

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Eva being pissy about not being taken on the burger reward while she's still burping chicken teriyaki from the previous reward.This is all good stuff.

Lolololol. That’s what killed me last week with the alleged coconut etiquette. I was like…that might be a fair point for Kamilla or Mitch to make, but EVA complaining about food rations was pretty rich, that girl hadnt missed a meal yet!!

[SummerDreams]

Pooya must wear a black veil seeing Shahin go.

[tvfanatic13]

Regarding Joe's soliloquy, what made it worse was that he said "it was time to go do this" or some such words. I was thinking, what is he going to do? Throw himself in the ocean? Scatter her ashes? But no, he made a speech. A 100% planned speech. It really bothered me. 

Rest in peace to Joe's sister. 

[LizBug]

One thing that has bothered me for some time now ... why is there ALWAYS a full moon?  It's impossible in 26 days to have more than one full moon.  There might be two (one coming off full and one a few days before full).  But, to build suspense, there's always a full moon.

[seacliffsal]

Ok, the only letter I wanted to see this season was the one from David's girlfriend.  I can only imagine that she would have reminded him to win the money or else... 

Otherwise, I just don't (and haven't ever) care about the letters.  I applied many, many, many seasons ago to be on Survivor.  Had I made it, my plan was for none of my family members to come for the visit/write the letter.  I wouldn't want the distraction.  And, I grew up before cell phones (many, many, many years prior...) and would go weeks while at college (or when I lived in Japan) without talking to friends/family.  My nephew was deployed three times and never was able to call home.  These people are only gone 3-4 weeks. Even in the original version Survivor, they really weren't gone that long.  But, the tears, the anguish, the despair...you'll be home before you know it.

[Special K]

Apparently Joe and his mother advocated for "Joanna's Law" in California in honor of his sister, which was adopted in 2024.

https://centerforfamilyjustice.org/updates/ca-governor-gavin-newsom-just-signed-the-first-suspicious-death-statute-in-the-country-joannas-law/

[MerBearHou]

9 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Well Shauhin and his awesomely powerful legs are gone, along with his ganglion cist. I'm glad he won that reward, though, and he went out well.

Shauhin did his interview with Dalton Ross after he was voted out and had a great sense of humor in the last question of the interview -- it was about his legs.  

[LadyChatts]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Kamilla voted for Mitch because she and Kyle didn't want anyone to know they are working together. They're still playing like this big super secret alliance they've got going is what's going to win over the jury. 

Judging by some exit interviews I don’t think their super secret alliance is as secret as they think.  I feel like they overcomplicate things to try and come up with plans or stay under the radar.  I’m also curious what their big plan is if both make the final 3, because it’s not like they can split the money.  I can’t say I’d hate a Kyle or Kamilla win, but I wouldn’t like it as much as I would have a few weeks ago.  

[30 Helens]

21 minutes ago, Special K said:

Apparently Joe and his mother advocated for "Joanna's Law" in California in honor of his sister, which was adopted in 2024.

https://centerforfamilyjustice.org/updates/ca-governor-gavin-newsom-just-signed-the-first-suspicious-death-statute-in-the-country-joannas-law/

This brings that whole segment into focus a little better. Joanna died 14 years ago, so Joe has had time to grieve her privately. But this is a cause that he clearly (rightly) believes in very strongly, so it’s not surprising that he would want to use this public platform to increase awareness. I don’t fault him for that, and I’m sure his emotion was genuine.

The show, on the other hand… I would lay money on this being their idea, and that they feel proud of themselves for capturing another Real Human Moment. But by staging a tearjerker scene, they were actually just using Joe to manipulate viewer engagement. Proving yet again that the more Real this show tries to be, the more Fake it becomes.

[thesupremediva1]

I literally yelled at my TV for most of this, as these jokers scrambled to make big moves that should have been made weeks ago. 
Too little, too late. Now I’m hoping Joe wins.

Kyle and Camila grate my last nerve. Your alliance is useless, your plan was ridiculous, and neither of you deserve to get anywhere near a million bucks.

This season can end now.

[Chicago Redshirt]

3 hours ago, fishcakes said:

These guys are worse than the idiots from 46 who all went home with idols in their pockets, but I have to admit they're pretty entertaining. Shauhin and his delusions of being the GOAT with the great legs, Joe and his investigative skills which seem to mainly consist of him saying, "I know I didn't do anything," Eva being pissy about not being taken on the burger reward while she's still burping chicken teriyaki from the previous reward. This is all good stuff.

I also love the editors for turning TC into Apocalypse Now and documenting Joe going into a fugue state while listening to Kyle and Shauhin crush his soul with their filthy lies. I am only sorry it didn't end with him pulling out the machete and decapitating everyone.

Kyle and Shauhin went from "it's too early to make a move on Eva and Joe," to "we can't have either Eva and Joe on the jury because they will stan for the other." And that's true, but so what? Joe maybe has the influence, but I doubt Eva does. So even IF there were a chance to get one of them out next week, Kyle won't go with Kamilla and Mitch to do it. Mitch is going to go home unless he wins individual immunity, and depending on what the challenge is, I think that's a (slim) possibility.

At this point, I actually think the odds are that Mitch gets dragged to the F3 as a goat. Because who might vote for him?

I could envision everyone still alive receiving hypothetical votes and being able to make a pitch for themselves.

Joe: I won 4 Individual immunities, played a game with honor, worked in tandem with Eva, am a nice guy, have a son who means the world to me, am dealing with my sister who was a lifelong Survivor fan and her domestic violence related death. I showed you could play the game with integrity and honor.

Eva: I overcame autism and my comfort zone, and worked well with Joe and really made friends and found myself here. Basically I did everything Joe did except backwards and in heels. 

Kyle: I was on the right side of every vote and built two strong alliances. Nobody even knew how closely I was working with Kamilla. I can take the credit for David and Shauhin's ouster. I also won an individual immunity. 

Kamilla: Even though I was on the outs, I managed to hang tight. No one knew about my super secret alliance, and how we got rid of David and Shauhin, playing Joe and Eva for suckers. I also won individual immunity, can you believe it? 

Mitch: I was also there.

It's unfortunate but true: with his stammer, it would be/will be additionally painful to see a Mitch pitch.

 

[Nashville]

2 hours ago, LizBug said:

One thing that has bothered me for some time now ... why is there ALWAYS a full moon?  It's impossible in 26 days to have more than one full moon.  There might be two (one coming off full and one a few days before full).  But, to build suspense, there's always a full moon.

Stock footage; they do have about a quarter century’s worth to pull from, after all….

[AntFTW]

4 hours ago, fishcakes said:

Eva being pissy about not being taken on the burger reward while she's still burping chicken teriyaki from the previous reward.

Eva really couldn't wait for the guys to get back from their reward. She smiled so hard and was so happy when they got back to camp. If I didn't notice that she was so dependent on them, this episode surely highlighted it.

That kind of irked me.

Edited Thursday at 07:45 PM by AntFTW

[phlebas]

But... but... I'm reliably informed that Shauhin was the best player this season.  Oh the injustice.

I might be alone on the Eva fan train. But I think she at least has to get rid of Joe and maybe Kyle to have a shot.

[tinkerbell]

19 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

Eva really couldn't wait for the guys to get back from their reward. She smiled so hard and was so happy when they got back to camp. If I didn't notice that she was so dependent on them, this episode surely highlighted it.

That kind of irked me.

You mean the way she ran towards them and gave each guy a hug as though the were returning home from war?  Ugh.

[OutOfTheQuestion]

I think KK made a good move here for a few reasons. Getting rid of Joe would've been the ideal move but his immunity win prevented that, so this frame on Shauhin was a solid backup option.

* Eva seems like a F3 goat, rather than the inspirational hero than the show pitched her as in the first few episodes.  Her increasingly entitled edit is probably the evidence about why she's going to get maybe one vote at most in the F3.  Her having the idol is a problem but even in the event that it's Joe immunity/Eva idol or vice versa, Joe/Eva will still probably target Mitch over Kyle or Kamilla.

* If neither Eva or Joe win immunity, Joe will (likely) outright insist that Eva plays the idol on herself rather than on him at F5. That leaves Joe to being voted out 3-2.

* Joe is still the favorite to win if he makes the F3. But, now Kyle/Kamilla can undercut Joe's pitch of being a loyal team player by pointing out that Joe backstabbed two of his "strong people alliance" in Shauhin and David.

[ljenkins782]

38 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

Eva really couldn't wait for the guys to get back from their reward. She smiled so hard and was so happy when they got back to camp. If I didn't notice that she was so dependent on them, this episode surely highlighted it.

That kind of irked me.

It reminds me of Kamilla’s speech at TC a few weeks ago about how luck of the casting draw can really make or break your Survivor experience. 
 

For her, it was unfortunate that she got cast on the season of Big Strong Men + Eva because she doesn’t fit what they value. 
 

But Eva got very lucky with this casting draw, she’s got Joe, her protector who she can genuinely trust, and then the other big strong men who appreciate her physical strength and loyalty. I’m not sure if she realizes exactly how lucky she is. But imagine her on a season with say, Tyson or some other person who enjoys dismantling people emotionally. Would be a very different ride…
 

 

[Cotypubby]

So glad I watched this later on the DVR so I could scan through all the letters from home & Joe's sister glurge. Such a waste of time.

[SuburbanHangSuite]

19 hours ago, AntFTW said:

Understandable, but they know they're giving her a free pass to final four if they didn't take the shot... unless they really don't see her as a threat.

I think this must be the tribe sentiment that we aren't seeing.  Shauhin pretty much told Kyle that she has no shot at winning so we're being forced to watch a goat get tons of airtime, conveniently planted advantages, and sympathetic edits when possibly Joe is her only real ally out there.  But after Gabler won in a landslide, I stopped trying to guess how the ultimate vote will play out. 

Funny how I used to really like Mitch and his stock just plummeted over the past month.  What a waste. 

[watch2much]

Here’s the story about Joe’s sister. https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/ending-domestic-violence/hidden-homicides-bill-addresses-abusers-who-cover-up-murder

[Guigoaoshi]

If they didnt had to put quote as episode titles, this one should be named "Theres still Hope". I wanted, most of the audience that watch the show for be a game and not a battle of sob stories wanted aswell more of moves like this and others that happened prior merge (or like the one against David) but, apart from some players that really lacked ideas/execution (Star, Mitch,Christy, Credek and even Mary in some way) I totally get Kyle and Kamilla choice to wait and think well about jury manegement specially. They read the other players better than any of the others and once they saw the dominant allience guided by Joe and his honesty/integraty speech, they realized that they needed to join them and choose the right moments to make honesty Joe and his right hand Eva go against their loyal followers, making them go from umbeatable to make into the finale really burned. Had they choose to go against Joe and Eva either one of their followers would ruin it or they would have Joe coaching/ preaching for people on Ponderosa on how horrible Kyle and Kamilla are and most would faw for that. Now, lets hope that this cast of jury can bring some heat at the final concil and make the right decision.

Edited Thursday at 10:12 PM by Guigoaoshi

[QQQQ]

Joe's "conversation" with his sister was some performative bullshit.

[rr2911]

Eva is going to win Survivor 48 because she's autistic plain and simple!  No one is going to vote her out and be the bad guy.  Until yesterday, no one had mentioned her name at all.  Why is that?  

 

Maybe there is something else going on that we don't know, because how can Kyle and Kamilla be so stupid and think that telling little lies about Shauhin is going to suddenly make them a threat to win?  I agree with many people here that Kyle didn't like Shauhin coming up with the idea of voting out Eva.

 

Yeah, Joe's sister moment should've been done off camera.  maybe have Joe tell that he had a moment and show from a distance by himself.

 

I thought I was the only one that thought those letters from home are phony and overreacted.  I would be happy to read a letter from my wife or any family member but I don't think I would break down and cry like a baby!  And who writes those letters anyway?  Surely not the family members.  Probably the writers.

 

I guess we have to remember that the show has editors and writers and depends on ratings to keep it on tv.  I guess if Eva or Joe were voted out too early, the producers might not be happy with Shauhin, Kyle, Kamilla and Mitch and maybe Mary left on board.  Maybe not enough drama?

 

Anyway, Eva for the win.  And if Joe should win then he gives Eva half his millions or maybe all of it!  

Edited Friday at 09:08 PM by rr2911

[iMonrey]

The editors really had to work overtime to create artificial suspense with the vote, including that absurd thing they did with Joe staring down Kyle and Shauhin in slo-mo with special sound effects. I've never seen them resort to something that gimmicky before. We were meant to think this all hinged on whether Joe believed Kyle or Shauhin in that moment, when clearly his mind was already made up before he even got there, because there was no whispering to the other three about his "decision" who to target.

Also? Maybe don't name the episode after a particularly telling quote from the guy that's getting voted out. 

[violet and green]

11 hours ago, fishcakes said:

I also love the editors for turning TC into Apocalypse Now and documenting Joe going into a fugue state while listening to Kyle and Shauhin crush his soul with their filthy lies. I am only sorry it didn't end with him pulling out the machete and decapitating everyone.

This really cheered me up!

The end seems so forgone, I spent the whole episode rolling my eyes in response to their endless talking head scenes bigging up their dumb games. I had to get a hold of myself in case my eyes fell out on one of those rolls...

On the one hand, I can see Joe winning and the editors carving his triumphant stoic face into a Survivor cliff a la Mount Rushmore. I can also see a final tribal with Joe using his laser eyes fuelled by rage to burn holes in every jury member and set them all on fire if they don't vote for Eva, as he is an honorable man and will lay on his sword for her.

[srhall79]

I'm expecting Kyle to reveal the SUPER SECRET ALLIANCE he and Kamilla have at final tribal, maybe with a side of "I'm a lawyer, fooled you all!" And be met with silence. Maybe they got Shauhin out early, but, despite his belief, I don't think he was a danger to win. Maybe they get credit for David, and Thomas before that, and for making Joe go after his allies. But it feels too under the radar, too convoluted. I suppose if Kyle can work up a Power Point to lead the jury through. I just see a guy who avoided every chance to take Joe out.

Kamilla might have a shot at winning if she's in the three. Staying alive without a big alliance shows she can survive... Or maybe she's the goat pulled to the end.

Now that we got all those pesky numbers out of the way, with an alliance of four, NOW is the time for a big move! Mitch, you are terrible at this game. 

I think Eva loses. You didn't detect a single lie. I don't think she gets any credit beyond Joe's shadow.

Joe seems like a decent winner, physically and socially strong, and those strengths made up for a lack in strategy. But maybe the jury nails him for getting fooled, though never to the point he was really blindsided.

Seems like a lot of players playing to stay in it, which doesn't make for great TV.

[SummerDreams]

12 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

the one from David's girlfriend.  I can only imagine that she would have reminded him to win the money or else... 

If he had won, would he feel OK to marry a woman and have kids with her who had said she only needed money to marry him? Why do people tolerate this kind of behavior?

[SVNBob]

On 5/14/2025 at 8:47 PM, KeithJ said:

Kamilla and Kyle split their votes?  What did I miss?

22 hours ago, Fake Jan Brady said:

So they can deny they’re working together? 

That's part of it.

It also fed into the lie they were telling.  If Shauhin actually had an idol to play and did so, and everyone else had voted for him, then his vote (for Eva) would be the only one to count.  So throwing a vote at Mitch would "force a tie".  Basically, it was a Plan Fake Voodoo.  (Foodoo?)

 

 

19 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Also, I need to have people spam the Survivor 50 vote to have no idols.

I did vote No Idols... but I'm absolutely sure there will be idols anyway.

The only things I think the voting audience actually decided on were: the tribe colors, the Immunity Necklace design, and what the F4 challenge will be.  Because those don't really matter.

Anything that would actually impact the flow of the game; idols, advantages, twists, swaps, etc., will all still be decided by TPTB.  And we'll never know if the poll results really indicated that the voters wanted things that way or not.

 

6 hours ago, iMonrey said:

The editors really had to work overtime to create artificial suspense with the vote, including that absurd thing they did with Joe staring down Kyle and Shauhin in slo-mo with special sound effects. I've never seen them resort to something that gimmicky before. We were meant to think this all hinged on whether Joe believed Kyle or Shauhin in that moment, when clearly his mind was already made up before he even got there, because there was no whispering to the other three about his "decision" who to target.

True, but I give props to the editors for what they did in that scene.  It was unique in the history of Survivor.  This episode might be a backup Emmy submission (the earlier episode with Eva's reveal in front of everyone is for sure their primary).

The closest thing like this before was the slo-mo and audio drop in the first episode of S44 right after Bruce slammed his head into an obstacle in the Marooning challenge.  That was meant to bring us into what Bruce was experiencing, and I think that's what they were going for here with Joe.  Didn't quite work the same, but I get it.

I noted that the audio drops in both cases were triggered on forms of the word "paranoia".  Helpful that both Kyle and Shauhin said those words for the equal triggers.

[Rodney]

25 minutes ago, SVNBob said:

I did vote No Idols... but I'm absolutely sure there will be idols anyway.

The only things I think the voting audience actually decided on were: the tribe colors, the Immunity Necklace design, and what the F4 challenge will be.  Because those don't really matter.

Anything that would actually impact the flow of the game; idols, advantages, twists, swaps, etc., will all still be decided by TPTB.  And we'll never know if the poll results really indicated that the voters wanted things that way or not.

I think that the votes will count.  Otherwise, why put out the polls to begin with?

[SummerDreams]

12 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Too little, too late.

If Kyle, Kamilla and Mitch stick together, they can still vote out Joe and then Eva and get to the final three. There is still hope.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, SummerDreams said:

If he had won, would he feel OK to marry a woman and have kids with her who had said she only needed money to marry him? Why do people tolerate this kind of behavior?

A perceived lack of alternatives, I’d wager.

[SVNBob]

21 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I think that the votes will count.  Otherwise, why put out the polls to begin with?

To make it look like they're listening to the audience.

[Skooma]

11 hours ago, watch2much said:

Here’s the story about Joe’s sister. https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/ending-domestic-violence/hidden-homicides-bill-addresses-abusers-who-cover-up-murder

What a monster that guy was.

2 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

If he had won, would he feel OK to marry a woman and have kids with her who had said she only needed money to marry him? Why do people tolerate this kind of behavior?

She didn't say that.  He didn't have a job and she didn't want to marry someone who didn't even seem interested in getting a steady job and being a responsible partner.  Why would any woman "tolerate" someone who didn't carry his weight.

It was David who decided it was easier to win Survivor then get a full time job like the rest of us humans do.

1 hour ago, SummerDreams said:

If Kyle, Kamilla and Mitch stick together, they can still vote out Joe and then Eva and get to the final three. There is still hope.

At Final Four there is no vote off.  The winner of the final immunity chooses two people to make fire.

And if either Joe or Eva win this next immunity then the idol will be played for the person that didn't win immunity and unless Joe slips on a banana peel he will probably win immunity this next time.  

Edited Friday at 09:07 AM by Skooma

[JudyObscure]

Although Kamilla and Kyle's Super Stealth Strategy may not be  as Super Secret as they think it is, I believe it's the best thing going this year.  Their big moves may have actually been pretty small, but they have been scrambling while others sit and wait.

Joe's immunity wins are very impressive, but that has rarely been enough to win the million. If one of them makes final three, I think there's hope. I would love to see one of them win.

I like Mitch.  I hope he doesn't watch the show.  In fact I hope no one ever watches their own show, because few of us are as amazing or pretty as we think we are. Especially from all angles.

Mitch was awesome in the early challenges and entertaining in his interviews.  Recently, he has been expressing his worry and paranoia as most people do at this point.  His problem is that his voice has a natural throaty hesitation that makes him sound like he's about to cry, so he's coming across much more whiney than the others.

[rr2911]

If Eva makes it to F3, I hope the jurors point out that Eva didn't find the idol on her own but that Star gave it to her.  Maybe this will change the minds of the jurors that would be on the fence.

[laurakaye]

On 5/15/2025 at 5:44 AM, JudyObscure said:

I had to look away in embarrassment while Joe was talking to his sister for the cameras.  Joe is surely an admirable person, the world needs more like him, but watching him do that and watching him look at the ground while people are speaking to him all just makes me twitchy. He seems so very self-consciously grand. 

Between this, the godfather music playing while Joe was interrogating everyone, his duhhhhhhhh stares during TC, the brilliant letter from Joe Jr., and the very unnecessary slo-mo extreme closeup of him during the reward challenge, I think CBS should change the season's name to Survivor 48: The Joe Show.  Or Survivor 48: Joe Island.  The Edge of Joe.  Millennials vs. Joe.  Or my fave, Joe Vs. Villians.

I have watched every episode of this show and I don't recall such a fawning tongue-bath of any player, ever.  We know Joe is a firefighter who puts his life on the line, has a great family, and isn't a jerk.  See also: Jeremy Collins.  Keith Nale.  Tom Westman.  Etc.  I do not understand the constant anvils over the head from production to try and make us all worship this guy.  And if he does end up in the firemaking with Eva, I fully expect him to take his water container and dump it all over his own supplies just to sacrifice himself for her game as Jeff wets himself and the jury laughs out loud.

 

[iMonrey]

10 hours ago, srhall79 said:

I'm expecting Kyle to reveal the SUPER SECRET ALLIANCE he and Kamilla have at final tribal, maybe with a side of "I'm a lawyer, fooled you all!" And be met with silence. Maybe they got Shauhin out early, but, despite his belief, I don't think he was a danger to win. Maybe they get credit for David, and Thomas before that, and for making Joe go after his allies. But it feels too under the radar, too convoluted. I suppose if Kyle can work up a Power Point to lead the jury through. I just see a guy who avoided every chance to take Joe out.

Kamilla might have a shot at winning if she's in the three. Staying alive without a big alliance shows she can survive... Or maybe she's the goat pulled to the end.

I think there's a chance for Kyle if he can convince the jury he's as brilliant as he seems to think he is. Maybe the jury isn't happy to reward Joe for steamrolling his way to the end through constant immunity wins. It depends on whether they are as frustrated over everyone's failure to take him out when they had the chance as we are.

I see no path to the million for Kamilla though. None. At best she's an appendage of Kyle. Everyone knows she was never part of the inner Core 4 and was dragged to the end without ever doing anything on her own. Claiming she and Kyle were secretly pulling the strings behind the curtain will only give credit to Kyle. The only person she could possibly beat is Eva and it's not a 2-person final. She'd also have to beat one of Joe, Kyle or Mitch and unless she's sitting between Mitch and Eva in the final 3 it's not happening. And a final three of Eva, Mitch and Kamilla is a mathematical impossibility at this point.

I can't even say I'm rooting for Kyle at this point. I used to like him but he was disingenuous in targeting David and too wishy-washy for far too long. And I thought targeting Shauhin was a dumb move. I think I'd rather see Joe win at this point.

[fishcakes]

18 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

But Eva got very lucky with this casting draw, she’s got Joe, her protector who she can genuinely trust, and then the other big strong men who appreciate her physical strength and loyalty.

More than the obvious shenanigans of the advantage clue in her personal bowl of chips, I think she's probably been helped along with this kind of background work by the producers, with the tribe they put her on being the biggest thing. It's surely no accident they she ended up with Joe, a guy whose whole life is about protecting others and who is carrying a boatload of guilt over not being able to save his sister, which is something casting surely knew about since a simple Google search of him would have turned up info about Joanna's death and they would have talked to him about it during the casting process. A young woman who comes to him on day one looking for protection? No wonder he was tearfully saying he'd give up his game for her after knowing her for only a few hours; that's just hardwired into him. Imagine if Eva had been put on the Green tribe; given her obvious and admitted reluctance to work with women, Sai would have immediately isolated her and she likely would have been voted out at the first TC.

I also have some opinions about how it came to be that Star gave Eva the idol, but they're a little more on the tinfoil hat side of things, so probably best to keep them to myself.

As for Joe's goodbye scene on the beach, yeah, that was ... bad. When he was at the reward and telling Kyle and Shauhin about his sister and when he did the TH saying a little more about it, both of those felt organic and genuine. That kind of regret and guilt never goes away, and I feel so much sympathy for him. But I suspect that after he talked about it to the guys, a PA got in his head about how he might feel "closure" -- which I personally don't believe is a thing; some pain you just live with -- if he went down to the waterline and talked to his dead sister and, hey, these camera and sound people will just wait right here until you're ready! But no pressure! But think of the CLOSURE. So the whole thing was very cringe, yes, but I don't blame him for it. The fact that he kept covering his eyes and his face while doing it showed how uncomfortable he was.

[AntFTW]

19 hours ago, OutOfTheQuestion said:

Eva seems like a F3 goat, rather than the inspirational hero than the show pitched her as in the first few episodes.

To me, she has seemed like a worthy Final 3 contender. I've been convinced that her or Joe would win if they make it to the Final 3.

For the past couple of days, I now wonder what has Eva done in the game other than accumulate advantages? I'm truly drawing a blank. 🤔

Edited Friday at 03:58 PM by AntFTW

[laurakaye]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I see no path to the million for Kamilla though. None. At best she's an appendage of Kyle. 

She's the Becky to Kyle's Yul.  It's a shame, a Kamilla win would at least be something different than what's being set up for us, and we all deserve a surprise from this season.

I think Joe has the win on lock - unless he senses he's going to win at Final TC and he votes himself out so Eva can win.

 

[seacliffsal]

I know a lot of posters think that Joe would tank his own game for Eva, but I just don't think so.  He may have been considering it before the reward, but afterwards I doubt it.  He read the letter from his son and he relived events with his sister, both of which would seem to me would lead him to remember that he did the show in order to benefit his family.  I just don't see him prioritizing Eva over his family.  I really agree with an above post that Eva asking him for protection and help really struck a cord with him, but he either places his family higher than someone he met three weeks ago, or he really may not feel his life is in danger on a daily basis and it would be wonderful to have financial resources for his family if tragedy struck.

Besides, if he can get Eva to second place, wouldn't the $100,000 award for second be enough of a gift to her?

By the way Fishcakes, I think your insight about the placement of Eva on Joe's team was brilliant!  I have been dismayed over the more overt help the producers had given her that we had seen (IMO), but the initial placement insight is the foundational 'advantage.'

[Arkay]

On 5/15/2025 at 12:37 AM, Neveragain said:

Are you me?  Did I fall asleep and write this without realizing it?  Because every single word you said is exactly how I feel.  I mean exactly.  Even the harrowing part about Joe’s sister felt like a very tragic and private moment that should not have been told to a camera person and a sound person and an audience of millions.  I understand it’s Joe’s choice to tell it but like you said, it cheapens it and if you want to apologize to your sister about something so deep and so huge, it feels wrong to do it this way and makes it seem phony although I’m sure for him it was very heartfelt  

I laughed out loud when these morons were saying now we’re at six, time to make a move on Joe. Oh, you didn’t think when you had seven, and four could outvote three, and he didn’t have immunity, that might have been the moment?  Now you’re worried he is eating and will win immunity?  Oh well look at that.  Serves you right

To my own surprise I may be starting to root for Joe.  I guess.  Why not? He is good at challenges and I appreciated  that he has a brain and instinct and at least momentarily contemplated the idea that Kamilia and Kyle might be lying.  I haven’t been a fan and I actually wanted Mary to win. But even though Kyle and Kamilia pulled it off tonight, I can’t forgive them for not getting Joe off last week or Eva off tonight  

I too am tired but will do your job for you @North of Eden and complain loudly, omg you saw them 22 days ago, you’ll see them next week, why are you so broken up and disintegrating into pieces to hear from your family.  I love my family too but I can handle not speaking to them for three weeks while playing a game for a million dollars.  And if it’s the deceptions and isolation and blah blah blah that makes you desperate to hear from home then you can’t at the same time say these players are like family to me we have grown closer than close I have shared my soul with them and therefore just can’t vote them out.  Pick a lane, people 

 

I love what you wrote. Pick a lane, indeed.

I, too, love my family, but it’s not as though these people were coerced into going on Survivor. You know in advance that you’re going to Fiji, by choice, to play a game and possibly win money. All this angst and drama as though you were in a deadly war zone is TOO MUCH for my taste.

 

I actually enjoyed back in the day when Johnny FairPlay pretended his grandmother had died, hoping to elicit sympathy, and his grandma was cool with it.

 

I 1000% agree that agonizing over Joe getting to eat at reward was too little, too late. If you’d rendered him extinct at the last tribal, this would all be moot. They blew their chance and if he does win, it’s on them.

[AntFTW]

58 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

She's the Becky to Kyle's Yul.  It's a shame, a Kamilla win would at least be something different than what's being set up for us, and we all deserve a surprise from this season.

If both Kyle and Kamilla make it to Final 3, she has to reveal that Kyle is really a lawyer. That'll be her mic drop moment. 😂

[AntFTW]

On 5/14/2025 at 10:00 PM, AntFTW said:

I think the better plan for Kyle and Kamilla was voting out Eva.

3 hours ago, AntFTW said:

To me, she has seemed like a worthy Final 3 contender. I've been convinced that her or Joe would win if they make it to the Final 3.

For the past couple of days, I now wonder what has Eva done in the game other than accumulate advantages? I'm truly drawing a blank. 🤔

  I don't know. I've managed to convinced myself that keeping Eva maybe wasn't the worst idea. I'm all over the place.

[rhygirl720]

13 hours ago, Nashville said:

A perceived lack of alternatives, I’d wager.

In this case perhaps true

[iMonrey]

3 hours ago, AntFTW said:

  I don't know. I've managed to convinced myself that keeping Eva maybe wasn't the worst idea. I'm all over the place.

I've been struck by how little consideration the others have given Eva as a perceived threat versus the narrative the show is pushing on us. But you can never underestimate (or over-estimate) the jury when it comes to emotion. Who was it that got to the final three and cried and cried and cried and made the jury cry and ended up winning? Who am I thinking of?

At any rate, I see the same possibility with Eva, especially given the very special "coming out" episode CBS granted her, commercial free for an entire half hour. That's . . . unprecedented.

[TVFan1]

Is it just me or does it seem like Kamilla doesn't care about winning as much as sitting next to Kyle at FTC? If Kyle were to win over her, (which he would) she'd be cool with it.

[Blip]

5 hours ago, AntFTW said:

If both Kyle and Kamilla make it to Final 3, she has to reveal that Kyle is really a lawyer. That'll be her mic drop moment. 😂

Kyle can just say he lied to Kamilla about being a lawyer, to get points for playing Kamilla and taking her to the final 3.

Why did Probst call out Eva for cheating in the reward challenge, instead of pretending not to notice?  He must have figured she would slide right off anyway if she straightened her legs, or that she would get to eat at the reward meal, since winner of reward always brings her along.

[angeleyes4477]

On 5/15/2025 at 11:36 AM, fishcakes said:

turning