S48.E11: Coconut Etiquette

[Rodney]

One castaway struggles with betraying his allies.  Power in the game is up for grabs when one castaway is chosen for a journey and must decide if the risk is worth the reward.  Then, paranoia runs rampant when a castaway knowingly tries to stir up chaos.

This is the episode's discussion thread for after the episode airs.

[Rodney]

Kyle is either as wussy as Mitch, or he and Kamilla have a different plan in place.  This was the perfect time to go after Joe, and they blew it once again.

Sorry to see Mary go.  She made a perfect pitch, and the others should've listened.  But some people are playing scared.

Boring season.  Might as well give Joe the prize now.

[Carey]

As mentioned elsewhere, the jury is upset about the survivor's missed opportunities to make an important move for the last time.

I'm more upset that I missed the last chance for Jeff's tears to take out the fire in Eva or Joe's torch...before saying, "Grab your torches...get the hell out of my sight."

[Brown44]

Joe is gonna go on an immunity run lose close to when Eva can last use the idol, give it to Joe then they coast to the finals. 

Edited Thursday at 01:40 AM by Brown44

[Tango64]

It’s been addressed before, but I still have a real problem with their clothes. Joe’s black and white checkered shirt at tribal council looked like it had just been delivered from J Crew or whatever. 

[LadyChatts]

Well at this point, I guess I'm rooting for Joe and Eva because those other people had the ultimate shot to make a move tonight and didn't.  I hope they don't get the chance again.  Based on the preview for next week, it looks like Kyle and Kamilla are going to frame Shauhin and put the target on him.  Seriously this cast is the worst, and I'm blaming a lot of factors in the game this season for screwing things up.  But why does everyone keep putting off making moves, and then try to make them when they can't?  It's like this cast is really trying to transform Survivor into being a game that has loyalty, honesty and integrity first, and voting off people who are zero threat to you because you don't like them.  

Anyway, Mary deserved better.  I'm glad she at least took away their coconuts but I'm sure the next reward will be an all you can eat buffet (that Eva will get picked for).  I'm praying S49 is more back-to-backstabbing basics.  And why is no one looking for the idol, because I can't believe there isn't one out there.  

10 minutes ago, Carey said:

As mentioned elsewhere, the jury is upset about the survivor's missed opportunities to make an important move for the last time.

I'm more upset that I missed the last chance for Jeff's tears to take out the fire in Eva or Joe's torch...before saying, "Grab your torches...get the hell out of my sight."

I was truly hoping somehow the vote would shift to Eva.  In any previous season anyone who knowingly had an idol was usually a target for that reason alone, but especially when they revealed their plans of when they were going to use it.  I'm not exactly sure why she never gets brought up as a possibility to go home, but I'm assuming that means no one considers her any sort of threat.

And watch, the F4 fire making will between Joe and Eva.  Both are crying and have pained expressions on their faces.  Kyle will look conflicted.  David will try to look tough and mean.  Joe gets off to a super early start while Eva can't get a flame.  His rope starts burning, but he decides to call it and sacrifice his game for Eva.  Probst then spends 30 minutes crying with the two and saying this is how you play Survivor.

Edited Thursday at 01:41 AM by LadyChatts

[mojoween]

Shut up, David’s groin.

These fuckers are so LAME.  

[gorgy]

Sit down, David

[Lamima]

They blew it. Boring season. They are just bowing down to hand over the money to Joe or Eva. Eva will probably win it because she is being handed everything. Every advantage. Every food reward. Not sure why. Are they afraid to cut Joe because she will melt down without him? Or are they afraid to cut her as then they will have the wrath of Joe for the rest of the days? The maths ain't mathing here. You don't sit there with a good sob story about how the money will improve your family's life and then just bend the knee to the king and queen. Who, of course, are going to present a team strong speech because said team is advancing them to the throne. 

This may go down as THE worst season ever.

Also, what was with David standing up like that? I thought he was going to say something about how dumb they are being leaving the king and queen in. I guess it was something standing ovation to Mary.

Edited Thursday at 02:02 AM by Lamima

[Carey]

Since Jeff loves Eva, and since he supposedly loves the fans of Survivor, maybe in an event the latter gets voted out, instead of wiping her torch, just go to David and put out the fire with that thing.

[North of Eden]

Stooges. Simple minded, weak willed stooges. Kyle doesn't want to win for his family because he had a couple heart to heart talks with Joe? Are you F'ing kidding me? And the mantra by the rest "I don't know if this is the right time?" WTF...Without the Immunity necklace Joe is Daddy Lannister on the commode. Take the shot!

Fine. With Mary gone I don't care who wins. Let the stooges coronate Joe and Eva for first and second place with Mitch brought along to be the no vote getting goat.

People don't like David but that was a classy move standing up with respect for Mary during her vote off. Classy.

How is it that "Coconut Etiquette" beat out "There's no Outloyal" as the title?

Challenge designers came up with a good one with the pushcart and the arced easy to screw up puzzle. One of their better ones in a long, long time.

[bunnyface]

Well these people are just stupid.  When Eva flat out says she will give Joe her idol if she wins immunity, keeping them both safe to the end, you have to take the chance afforded you.  The chance RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACES.  But no, let's take out the foregone conclusion instead.

I'm not generally hung up on word pronunciations but that is the first time I've ever heard huh-MOCK instead of HAM-muck.  Is that a common way of saying that in another part of the country?

David, sit your ass down.  What was thst supposed to be?  Menacing?  Were the other supposed to be scared?  Was he going to scoop poor Mary up and whisk her to safety away from the big meanies? Sit down ya dumbass.

Edited Thursday at 02:24 AM by bunnyface

[LadyChatts]

I was looking back at the people who’ve been voted off so far and am thinking how much different this season might have turned out if pizza guy Justin and Bianca hadn’t lost their vote to a dice roll, if Thomas hadn’t been outed by Mitch having something from the journey (and I realize Kamilla and Kyle made a bold move there but maybe they wouldn’t have targeted Thomas if they didn’t think he had something), if a stupid split TC hadn’t led to Sai going home, who also had her vote blocked…like the game is becoming too involved in the dynamics of the game itself.  I don’t mind the occasional idol or advantage but these people don’t even seem to care about that anymore, either.  If any new era season has shown there needs to be a drastic shake up in the format, this is the season.  Eva had an advantage that was good up until tonight and didn’t even use it.  And when she goes to play her idol she probably won’t even need to!

Edited Thursday at 02:31 AM by LadyChatts

[Cotypubby]

Weak idiots, the lot of them. They just handed Joe the win.

[tvfanatic13]

David is a douchenozzle. I hate the sight of him. 

[Neveragain]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Kyle is either as wussy as Mitch, or he and Kamilla have a different plan in place.  This was the perfect time to go after Joe, and they blew it once again.

Sorry to see Mary go.  She made a perfect pitch, and the others should've listened.  But some people are playing scared.

I’m so disappointed. Bad enough Kyle made a bad choice but at least he was on the fence and part of the four so he had legit mixed feelings.   But Mitch?  What an idiot!  And Camilla, I’m so surprised. Up till tonight I thought she was a sharp cookie.

[dizzyd]

If I were on that jury, I wouldn’t want to give the win to Joe or Eva but I’d also not want to give it to anyone else for being so chicken to not take them out. I guess I’d fake a medical emergency to be excused from jury duty rather than vote for anyone left. 

[Neveragain]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

And watch, the F4 fire making will between Joe and Eva.  Both are crying and have pained expressions on their faces.  Kyle will look conflicted.  David will try to look tough and mean.  Joe gets off to a super early start while Eva can't get a flame.  His rope starts burning, but he decides to call it and sacrifice his game for Eva. 

That’s just because he doesn’t want us to ever forget he’s a fireman, can’t help himself, he’s gonna put out any fire he sees, including the one on his rope!  And will therefore lose to Eva, which he will consider an honor, even though she is a person he did not know a month ago

Seriously, except for Mary, this is a bunch of morons 

[iMonrey]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

And why is no one looking for the idol, because I can't believe there isn't one out there. 

{tinfoil hat} Are there no more idols because the show only wants Eva to have one? {/tinfoil hat}

I have a nit to pick. The advantage journey instructions read as follows:

"Complete four levels and your vote remains safe."

Ok so technically Eva did that. But further down it read:

"When the timer ends, if you do not have at least four levels completed, you lose your vote at the next tribal council. "

But Eva knocked down all the tiles on her way out and there was clearly more sand in the hourglass. So technically she did not have four levels when the timer ended.

The last two episodes have tried really hard to make it look like the inevitable might not happen but they're not fooling anyone with the editing. It's gotten way too telegraphed in the way it starts with whoever's going home getting the majority of the narration. When I can tell who's going home within the first five minutes, that's a bad sign.

And clearly the show knows it's way too obvious. It feels like when the players have these sit-down interviews they are being asked to say why they might vote for Joe despite there being no real chance that's going to happen. They do that on Big Brother too. They know where it's going and that the episode is going to be boring and way too predictable so they need something to edit in and make it look like it isn't. 

[LadyChatts]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Kyle is either as wussy as Mitch, or he and Kamilla have a different plan in place.  This was the perfect time to go after Joe, and they blew it once again.

Sorry to see Mary go.  She made a perfect pitch, and the others should've listened.  But some people are playing scared.

Boring season.  Might as well give Joe the prize now.

All I can think is that Kyle wants to be the one to come up with the plan to oust Joe.  Tonight it was Mary who came up with it, and last week there was talk amongst the outsiders of Star, Mary, and Kamilla about making a move and Kamilla ran it by Kyle.  So maybe he wants to be able to sit in the final 3 and say he is the one who actually executed it.

And I'd argue that he said tonight he was afraid that Joe and Eva wouldn't vote for them if he blindsided them, but given how paranoid Joe got about Mary saying she was writing his name down, I don't know if Kyle thinks the honest approach will work if/when the time comes.

[AntFTW]

I'm finding myself rooting for Kamilla more as we get to the end.

[LadyChatts]

4 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

{tinfoil hat} Are there no more idols because the show only wants Eva to have one? {/tinfoil hat}

I have a nit to pick. The advantage journey instructions read as follows:

"Complete four levels and your vote remains safe."

Ok so technically Eva did that. But further down it read:

"When the timer ends, if you do not have at least four levels completed, you lose your vote at the next tribal council. "

But Eva knocked down all the tiles on her way out and there was clearly more sand in the hourglass. So technically she did not have four levels when the timer ended.

I was confused about that challenge she had to do, though, because since she originally started to go for the KIP I assumed she would have to attempt to finish it.  But she decided after starting that she didn't want to attempt it after all, and that was it (I thought she might lose her vote after all because she didn't finish the next phase).  And I saw some other people comment about the hourglass as well, so I don't know. 

[TVFan1]

Boring season. This was the time to strike at Joe, but of course not. Just give Joe the million and call it a day. Sad to see Mary go, and I actually liked that David stood up for her when she was voted out. 

My prediction is Joe wins, with Eva in second place, and Mitch is dragged to the end as a goat with zero votes.

[Lantern7]

Blah episode. Basically, it was ninety minutes of Mary flailing, trying to figure out some way to last one more episode in the game. She could not. Her gift upon departure: David standing up for her as she left. I'm sorry, but what was that about?

I guessing we're not just treading water until the finale. We'll be treading water for however long it takes for S50 to launch . . . and even then, there's no guarantee that won't be a steaming dud as well.

Kamilla sneaking off with the immunity win was nice. Would've been better if Mary won, but I don't think she got to make the arch.

[blackwing]

WORST SEASON EVER.  At least, worst of the so-called “new era”.  In the “new era”, people aren’t supposed to just roll over and hand the win to the Prom King who has been in charge since early on (even though, ironically, he isn’t making any of the decisions).  In the “new era”, people aren’t supposed to be afraid of making a move.  
 

All four of the remaining players who aren’t Joe or Eva suck enormous donkey balls.  None of them deserve to win.  
 

39 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

I'm finding myself rooting for Kamilla more as we get to the end.

I was too.  Until she wimped out and voted out Mary.  

[AntFTW]

1 minute ago, blackwing said:

I was too.  Until she wimped out and voted out Mary.  

Yeah, that sucked. I wanted them to take the shot at Joe.

[Andyourlittledog2]

3 hours ago, Tango64 said:

It’s been addressed before, but I still have a real problem with their clothes. Joe’s black and white checkered shirt at tribal council looked like it had just been delivered from J Crew or whatever. 

Honestly, the jury members' clothes looked more worn and dirty than the folks still playing the game.

I was rooting for Mary because she was scrappy and really playing the game. The people left are just a bunch of idiots who seem to think the game is helping Joe win. None of them deserve to win at this point. And I really do hate Eva and the production for giving her yet one more advantage (which she went back and proudly pissed on because she didn't need it and she needed to let everyone know the advantage they needed desperately she had no use for nanny nanny boo boo).

I will watch till the end but now I'm just perma-pissed.

[Samwise979]

If they were smart someone would have told Joe his idea of throwing a vote on someone else just in case Mary had an idol was a good idea. (Mary, Kamilla, Mitch vote Joe/Kyle, Eva, Shauhin vote Mary/Joe votes random). That way none of his alliance would have to betray him until the tie breaker and furthermore, if Kamilla/Mitch decided to switch to Mary last minute, all his alliance are safe from showing their cards. 

[rr2911]

The producers of Survivor have to tell the cast what they want on the show.  What they want them to do or say.  Who to target and probably who they want to win!

How the hell you don't even mention Eva's name?  How the hell you don't go for the obvious choice and vote out Joe?

You know maybe it's different out there and I'm playing armchair QB but it's obvious that none of the remaining survivors not named Eva and Joe are not winning unless they vote one of them out next week!

I wish I knew if Kamilla, Mary, Mitch, Shauhin and maybe Kyle had discussed anything right before TC.  What changed everyone's minds?

Eva is going to win because she's autistic and that's her best weapon right now!  No one is going to vote her out because they don't want to feel bad.  I agree, with a poster here that Joe will likely give her the million if he wins or tank his game so she can win.

Very disappointing season so far!

Edited Thursday at 12:54 PM by rr2911

[surfgirl]

17 hours ago, blackwing said:

All four of the remaining players who aren’t Joe or Eva suck enormous donkey balls.  None of them deserve to win.  

My sentiments exactly @blackwing. These people are morons and while I do not want Joe to win, nor do I like Eva nor want her to win, this move was so stupid that I yelled at my TV, "Just give it to Joe and let's move on!" TBH, I would have taken out Eva because she has multiple tools to use and she thinks she's invincible right now, so take her and her idols out now, then Joe. But nope. Mary.

The ONLY, and BEST moment of this entire season was that Jughead muscle lump aka David, sitting there petulantly flexing his biceps so hard I bet he shart himself. And then the cherry on this shit sundae was David standing up, I guess as a salute to his comrade, Mary? But that? Cracked my shit right up, and watching Star and the other jury lady cracking up behind his back? "Gold, Jerry, gold!"

Edited Thursday at 09:17 PM by surfgirl

[LadyChatts]

31 minutes ago, surfgirl said:

My sentiments exactly @blackwing. These people are morons and while I do not want Joe to win, nor do I like Eva nor want her to win, this move was so stupid that I yelled at my TV, "Just give it to Joe and let's move on!" TBh. I would have taken out Eva because she has multiple tools to use and she thinks she's invincible right now, so take her and her idols out now, them Joe. But nope. Mary.

The ONLY, and BEST moment of rhis entire season was that Jughead muscle lump aka David, sitting there petulantly flexing his biceps so hard I bet he shart himself. And then the cherry on this shit sundae was David standing up, I guess as a salute to his comrade. Mary? But that? Cracked my shit right up l, and watching Starbajd the other jury lady cracking up behind his back? "Gold, Jerry, gold!"

I feel like it’s been this way for a few votes.  They vote off people like Sai, Cedrek, Star, and I’d say even Charity who had no one and weren’t real threats in the game (obviously it’s hard to say how Charity and Sai would have done in challenges but probably a safe bet they wouldn’t be running away with those).  And now Mary.  I posted this a few weeks ago but this really is like high school all over again.  And I also think Eva is a threat since she has an idol and openly said she’ll play it for Joe if she wins immunity.  So I’m wondering if people think she’s getting carried by Joe and therefore won’t win in the end?  I’m just surprised that they don’t try to weaken Joe a little by taking out his #1.  And even Kyle tonight seemed to have reservations about where he stood in the group but yet somehow telling emotional sob stories with Joe won out.

And I wasn’t sure what David’s gesture was meant to represent, but if it was a sign of respect for Mary (like a fallen comrade), doesn’t that contradict what he said in his interviews about Mary not being anything to him other than someone who leeched onto him and was in his pretend 6 but not his real 5?

Edited Thursday at 05:42 AM by LadyChatts

[SummerDreams]

Me watching the end of the episode first and seeing Joe was not voted out again:

[30 Helens]

A different take on Mary: I think she may have sunk her chances by getting angry and deciding to “create a little chaos” when it didn’t seem like her plan was going to happen. (And what a person—Hantz—to choose as her inspiration. Ugh.) She had a bunch of people on the fence, knowing what they should do, but also looking for an excuse to delay it because of their omertà loyalty to Joe. By coming off as a little erratic at the end, she may have pushed them off the fence to the other side.

That said, they’re still idiots and they’re all Dead To Me.

Faces I wanted to slap most:
1. Eva, when Mary pointed out that she didn’t need to worry about food because she was a lock for reward dinner, could only nod and say “Fair.” Smug much?

2. David, standing up in a dramatic show of solidarity as Mary went to get her torch snuffed. I don’t know why he stopped short of giving her a full military salute.

[JudyObscure]

I bet if you meet Joe and ask him what he does he says, "I'm a fireman, I put my life on the line to save others every day." Joe was my favorite at first but I just can't admire someone who admires himself that much.

I'm rooting for Kyle now, he's also very accomplished, but he's retained a bit of humility with it.  I just want to tell him that as close as he feels to Joe right now, by next Christmas they will have returned to their jobs and families and their friendship will have drifted into occasional e-mails.  The only difference will be Joe will have a million dollars and Kyle won't..

 

2 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

A different take on Mary: I think she may have sunk her chances by getting angry and deciding to “create a little chaos” when it didn’t seem like her plan was going to happen.

 

I agree, never give them an excuse to vote you out over food issues. I really liked Mary. I wish she could get  a prize for being the only person out there really playing hard and scrambling through the whole season.

[rhygirl720]

We needed 90 minutes for that.? " Sound and fury signifying nothing" The right move was to get rid of Joe. I'm so disappointed in Kyle.  I get it it's hard, he feels torn...Dude you are playing a game for a million...This is not summer camp.

Bring on the puzzle challenges.

David, jury etiquette... Sit the f down

 

[GenerationX]

Shauhin believing he's played a better game than Joe + Kyle fearing the loss of jury votes from Joe and Eva = Viewers enduring old school pagonging.

[Haleth]

I certainly agree in the spirit of the game that this was the time to take out Joe, but as someone who wants to see him win I was very happy the idiots missed their chance.

I realize I’m at a table for one in my admiration. 🙂

Edited Thursday at 11:55 AM by Haleth

[Carey]

Feels like yet another 7-1-0 outcome especially if late chaos takes place

[Pepper the Cat]

11 hours ago, Tango64 said:

It’s been addressed before, but I still have a real problem with their clothes. Joe’s black and white checkered shirt at tribal council looked like it had just been delivered from J Crew or whatever. 

I swear Mary had a new sweater every time I saw her.

And the remaining survivors looked cleaner than the jury!

[Tango64]

9 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I have a nit to pick. The advantage journey instructions read as follows:

"Complete four levels and your vote remains safe."

Ok so technically Eva did that. But further down it read:

"When the timer ends, if you do not have at least four levels completed, you lose your vote at the next tribal council. "

But Eva knocked down all the tiles on her way out and there was clearly more sand in the hourglass. So technically she did not have four levels when the timer ended.

I don’t think that’s even nitpicking. According to the rules, she lost her vote. 

It would have been a delicious twist for her to find out afterwards that she lost her vote. But the producers can’t have that happen with Eva. No, not our dear Eva. 

[Carey]

I hate to say it, but Survivor reminds me of 24 in terms of the original concept.  Things in time get stretched out to where what both once did isn't sustainable going forward.  The FOX hit from the first decade of the century, while still a decent program, wasn't as believable overtime.  The current CBS hit and its concept may not be easy to pull off.  Not that it ever was.

The preceding paragraph is based on the wardrobe & how everyone looks on the show.  Especially in the latter stages.  I agree that the struggle isn't there.  Which may not be fair since most people aren't out there.  However, nobody is betting that past members had it easier than the current cast

[blackwing]

I don't understand Kamilla repeatedly saying she doesn't trust Mary.  Mitch had said the same thing the week before.  What is there not to trust?  She was the only one who was trying to make a move against Joe and Eva.  What does Kamilla think is going to happen?  Joe and Eva are going to take her to the end?  She seems smart, how can she not see that either she or Mitch are next?  She seems to place a lot of faith in her secret alliance with Kyle and that Kyle will protect her.  Did Kamilla really vote out Mary because she ate too many coconuts?

2 hours ago, rhygirl720 said:

We needed 90 minutes for that.? " Sound and fury signifying nothing" The right move was to get rid of Joe. I'm so disappointed in Kyle.  I get it it's hard, he feels torn...Dude you are playing a game for a million...This is not summer camp.

Bring on the puzzle challenges.

Don't understand how Kyle was able to get Svengalied by Joe just because of that one conversation on the beach "you're Black, I'm Black, we understand each other" and now he feels so loyal to Joe.  As Mary said to Shauhin, there's no "outloyaled" in Survivor.

Once again, Jeffy trying to influence the game.  I'm annoyed that he made Kyle read out his word.  Thus letting Joe know exactly what the word was.  Jeffy made Joe read out the word because it made no sense and he wanted to know what Joe thought it was.  But Kyle clearly had the right word on one side, why couldn't Jeff just look at it and determine if it was correct?

More manipulation of the game to try and make Joe and Eva win.

I'm surprised the producers just didn't hand Eva yet another advantage.  "Congratulations!  You have won an extra vote.  But you can also gain Knowledge is Power if you play this game."  

1 hour ago, GenerationX said:

Shauhin believing he's played a better game than Joe + Kyle fearing the loss of jury votes from Joe and Eva = Viewers enduring old school pagonging.

On what world does Shauhin think he has played a better game?  Part of me wants to see him make it to the end to see what he says.  I want Mary to rip him a new one and point out that he was just a grunt foot soldier.

Right now I think the jury would vote for Joe or Eva, I would hope that they don't reward the others for being cowards.  Unless something major happens to get out either Joe or Eva.

[bunnyface]

23 minutes ago, Tango64 said:

I don’t think that’s even nitpicking. According to the rules, she lost her vote. 

It would have been a delicious twist for her to find out afterwards that she lost her vote. But the producers can’t have that happen with Eva. No, not our dear Eva. 

My only other thought was the producers didn't want to sit out there for 20 minutes (or however long) waiting for the sand to expire, so they said "you wanna call it?  Let's call it." and let her go early.  But they should have.  One stiff wind and she would have been building again.  In other challenges, weather factors have counted.  They should have waited out the time to make sure the tower stood.

[RedbirdNelly]

I'm pretty certain that right before the jury comes out, David is off camera doing a bunch of push ups so he can look more buff. The standing up? what the heck

I was disappointed they did not make a move, but also negative points to Mary on some of her play. She seemed to lose patience and go to unnecessarily antagonizing people. Also, stirring Joe up seemed stupid to me. If you get him worried, Eva gives him her idol and your plan blows up. 

I don't hate Joe or Eva but would like to see more game play. Credit to Joe for almost winning immunity again--this was not strength focus and once again he almost won. That itself should have motivated people.

[Cotypubby]

10 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Ok so technically Eva did that. But further down it read:

"When the timer ends, if you do not have at least four levels completed, you lose your vote at the next tribal council. "

But Eva knocked down all the tiles on her way out and there was clearly more sand in the hourglass. So technically she did not have four levels when the timer ended.

I noticed that too! She was so confident she won she just knocked it all down WAY before the timer had actually finished! I do not know why she was allowed to do that other than she is the teachers pet of the season because of  her autism and producers want her to win. She did not follow the rules. What if her tower was off and a gust of wind blew it over? The challenge did not say “Must stay up for three seconds” like other comps, it said “until the timer runs out.”

She is just so smug, it is really grating. And her indignation when Mary was eating the coconuts was something else. Girl, you were chosen to go on a reward just like she said you would be! Get over yourself! 

Edited Thursday at 01:58 PM by Cotypubby

[TVbitch]

So tired of hearing Kyle and Kamilla go on and on about their totally amazing, day one, super secret alliance ~which has done exactly NOTHING.

[Cheyanne11]

20 minutes ago, Cotypubby said:

She is just so smug, it is really grating. And her indignation when Mary was eating the coconuts was something else. Girl, you were chosen to go on a reward just like she said you would be! Get over yourself! 

Eva's going to be the only contestant to ever gain weight on the show.  Honestly, has she missed one reward challenge?  

I swear I'm not a conspiracy theorist about this show, but the number of advantages she's gotten out of 'sheer luck' has me side-eyeing.  

[Carey]

Future generations might end up watching this season starring Eva & Joe.  I'm not sure why, but their grandparents might've told them it's not Survivor, but a show called "The Biggest Gainer Island"

[MerBearHou]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

I certainly agree in the spirit of the game that this was the time to take out Joe, but as someone who wants to see him win I was very happy the idiots missed their chance.

I realize I’m at a table for one in my admiration. 🙂

I will join you at that table @Haleth

[blackwing]

40 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I don't hate Joe or Eva but would like to see more game play. Credit to Joe for almost winning immunity again--this was not strength focus and once again he almost won. That itself should have motivated people.

Joe's weakness is that he is not particularly intelligent.  His first attempt at the the "word" was a three word phrase.  I thought Jeffy specifically said it was a "word".  Joe's attempt was something like "Get on betrayal" and he had "betrayal" spelled wrong.  He had absolutely no clue what the word was.

Once Jeffy made Kyle say his word out loud, he turned the task from an actual puzzle that required some degree of intelligence into a simple test of skill.