S01.E10: Crash Helmets On

[chitowngirl]

Matty and Sarah pose as grandmother and granddaughter in order to gather information at a senior living facility facing a wrongful death suit.
 

Airdate February 6, 2025 on CBS

[SoMuchTV]

29 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

Matty and Sarah pose as grandmother and granddaughter in order to gather information at a senior living facility facing a wrongful death suit.
 

Airdate February 6, 2025 on CBS

Ooh! I wonder if they’ll run into Ted Danson!

[AnimeMania]

Hal Williams as Autry

[johntfs]

We also got Patricia Belcher from Bones and Sam Anderson from Angel.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

And Joanna Cassidy as Lucille.

[Nashville]

11 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

And Joanna Cassidy as Lucille.

THAT was totally unexpected, and I loved it.

[DanaK]

I certainly felt for Maddie being worried about what would happen if she got dementia. After my parents died after dealing with health issues including dementia with my dad, I certainly worried about who would take care of me as I get older and of course just getting things like dementia

And Maddy betraying Sarah like that was really sad, though it isn't wrong to change your mind if you think you have a better game plan. But maybe Maddie should have told Sarah first. Equally painful was Sarah telling Maddie she was now her enemy. And Sarah doesn't do things half-way

[Chicago Redshirt]

So we have Sarah's supervillain origin story: Matty promises her her first lead on a case and then pulls it out from under her to help cover up her stupid-ass switch of the recording pen.

I get why Sarah would be upset, but it's dumb for her to out and out express this hostility in the "you'll rue the day" sort of way.

First, it's kind of doubtful that Sarah can make good on her threat any time soon. Matty has infinitely more juice with Olympia and the firm in general. On Matty being hired, Sarah (correctly) recognized that both she and Billy had been knocked down a rung and demoted to third chair on that case. Since then, Matty has been central to winning several multimillion dollar cases and actually befriended Olympia. Meanwhile, Sarah has barely progressed from being grouped as "you two" to being recognized by Olympia. Indeed, Sarah probably lowered her standing with Olympia by confessing to all sorts of shiznit that Olympia probably didn't know about.

We the viewers know that there is something Sarah could potentially do to undermine Matty: discover and reveal that Matty is lying about her identity to come up with the Wellbrexa coverup culprit(s). But Sarah should not reasonably think she is going to  be able to get vengeance any time soon. 

Even if she did, being noisy about her quest for vengeance could squash her chance to get it or other perks. If there's another opportunity to take lead in a case, would Sarah think Matty or Olympia would give it to Billy or her in the wake of the threat?  

It would be way smarter for her to be strategic about it and pretend that everything's OK but then privately say to Billy or Kira or somebody that the first chance she gets she's going to stab Matty in the back.

[DearEvette]

30 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

We the viewers know that there is something Sarah could potentially do to undermine Matty: discover and reveal that Matty is lying about her identity to come up with the Wellbrexa coverup culprit(s). But Sarah should not reasonably think she is going to  be able to get vengeance any time soon. 

But this might be the path the show is laying for Matty to be discovered. 

Logically there are a couple of ways for that to happen: Matty to screw up somehow and reveal herself or for someone to become suspicious and start looking into Matty. 

Now that Sarah has Matty in her cross-hairs it is a logical progression to have her be eagle-eyed on everything Matty does waiting for her to make some sort of procedural mistake that she could bring up to Olympia, but instead it would net her a bigger prize.  She does have a girlfriend in IT.  Also Matty made a blunder in front to Shae last week with the 'grandfather' bit.  Yeah she covered it up, but that also might have gotten Shae's spidey senses tingling. 

[Chicago Redshirt]

20 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

But this might be the path the show is laying for Matty to be discovered. 

Logically there are a couple of ways for that to happen: Matty to screw up somehow and reveal herself or for someone to become suspicious and start looking into Matty. 

Now that Sarah has Matty in her cross-hairs it is a logical progression to have her be eagle-eyed on everything Matty does waiting for her to make some sort of procedural mistake that she could bring up to Olympia, but instead it would net her a bigger prize.  She does have a girlfriend in IT.  Also Matty made a blunder in front to Shae last week with the 'grandfather' bit.  Yeah she covered it up, but that also might have gotten Shae's spidey senses tingling. 

Most likely, this will indeed lead to Matty's being discovered or at least give her a good scare. But my original point was that it doesn't make much sense for Sarah to make that threat because she has no reason to think that Matty might have a weakness to exploit. 

On the flipside, with the warning, Matty should feel incentivized to a) be extra careful with Sarah and b) make amends.

Matty is supposed to be at the heart of it all a good person, and she had to know she did a shitty thing to Sarah to protect her secret even without Sarah declaring war. But with her explicitly declaring war, it seems like Matty should be crafty and decent enough to make peace.  All she has to do is say to Olympia, "Hey boss, I assigned Sarah to be first chair but then changed my mind and made Billy first chair. Now Sarah's pissed. Can you use Sarah prominently on an upcoming case, or praise her work and tell her I had her back? It would mean a lot."

Edited February 7 by Chicago Redshirt

[DearEvette]

Yeah but this is tv.  People always warn their adversaries "I'm coming after you.' It is the same with villain monologuing.  Sure give your adversary time to take counter measures.  No if I were coming after someone I definitely wouldn't give them a heads up.

[johntfs]

2 hours ago, DearEvette said:

Yeah but this is tv.  People always warn their adversaries "I'm coming after you.' It is the same with villain monologuing.  Sure give your adversary time to take counter measures.  No if I were coming after someone I definitely wouldn't give them a heads up.

Sarah isn't a villain doing a monologue.  This is more like an honorable formal declaration of war.  Sarah became very vulnerable with Matty and revealed something deeply personal to her.  Then, as a tactic to avoid discovery, Matty essentially betrayed Sarah in giving first chair to Billy.

Meanwhile, I need to pay more attention.  I didn't realize that Jason Ritter was Julian and not Billy (Holy Shit.  Dipper Pines is almost 45).  Also, Edwin Kingston is played by Sam Anderson AKA Holland Manners, the King of Evil Lawyers from Angel.

Edited February 7 by johntfs

[Driad]

Sarah may be too young to have seen the bathtub scene in "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."

[shapeshifter]

7 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

So we have Sarah's supervillain origin story…

Yeah.
But Sarah's "supervillain origin story" includes having an adopted Grandma who resembled Mattie, who developed Alzheimer's and behaved towards Sarah in heartbreaking ways, but Sarah forgave her. 
So…?
Interestingly, Leah Lewis's real origin story resembles Sarah's: wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Lewis
She has a singing voice like an angel. 

[Morrigan2575]

They're going so hard on Julian being the "bad guy" and Olympia being in the clear i will be totally disappointed if Olympia doesn't turn out to have forged Senior's signature.

I liked this episode,  it's a shame about the way Matty betrayed Sarah because she was really opening up.

[mythoughtis]

25 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

She has a singing voice like an angel.

I was amazed by her singing voice.   She did the song ‘walking after midnight’ justice.  

[MerBearHou]

45 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

She has a singing voice like an angel. 

I was enchanted by her voice — had no idea!  

So of course, I looked up Leah Lewis and read about her singing and that she tried out and wasn’t chosen by even one judge on The Voice — their loss!

[Nashville]

8 hours ago, DearEvette said:

Yeah but this is tv.  People always warn their adversaries "I'm coming after you.' It is the same with villain monologuing.  Sure give your adversary time to take counter measures.

 

 

[andromeda331]

Matty did screw Sarah over. But I agree that Sarah shouldn't have threatened her. If she's really goijng after Matty don't tell her. Also, Matty's really close to Olympia. Olympia listens to and Matty has won several cases. Does she really think it's a good idea going after the boss's best friend is a good idea? I don't Olympia is going to listen to anything Sarah says or finds and if Matty tells Olympia about the threat she's even less likely to believe her and just assume Sarah's just bitter. Billy also won the case so Olympia will think that Matty was right to switch Sarah for Billy.

I don't really get the assumption that it's Julian. And why are they so hung up on signature? It's not exactly hard to forge. Anyone could make that line. 

I like the case. My first guess was that it was from garden club given how mad that one lady was about Lucille dropping them. I'm glad Lucille wasn't the murderer but that poor Walter wanted to die but didn't want his family to know. I really get that. 

I like Matty worrying to Edwin about their health and fear of ending up with dementia. My dad has it and it sucks. I'm scared to end up with it. I like her worrying about what will happen to Alfie. That's a good question. You can say it nothing will happen or try to stay healthy. But you just don't know. I've lost count of how many people I know who suddenly die of a heart attack. It doesn't even have to be that. Maybe live and have a lot of complications or end up with cancer, etc. I'm glad their looking into that. You just don't know.

Edited February 9 by andromeda331

[GHScorpiosRule]

5 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

Matty's really close to Olympia. Olympia listens to and Matty has won several cases. Does she really think it's a good idea going after the boss's best friend is a good idea?

While Matty and Olympia have become friends, it’s a stretch to think that Matty is her best friend.

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

While Matty and Olympia have become friends, it’s a stretch to think that Matty is her best friend.

Yeah. On a recent podcast snippet I caught about friendships, there was an insightful comment about the mutability of friendships due to shared circumstances at the moment. Matty and Olympia are definitely sharing a friendship now, but it’s not like it’s an established relationship with a basis for undying loyalty.

[Chicago Redshirt]

We haven't seen much of Olympia outside our core cast, but I think it's fair that Matty is Olympia's best work friend. 

Senior likes her but would not hesitate to screw her over if he thought it was in his interests, the firm's interests..or just for kicks. See the episode with the Texas Two-Step.

Julian obviously has love for her but also that love is strained and complicated by the divorce, the fling with Shae, his suspicion about her and Elijah, his awkward relationship with Senior, his insecurity about Olympia outdoing him (at least, I think there's a subtext there), probably other things.

Elijah and her did seem to be close, but it also seemed like she blew up that friendship to a large degree when she broke off that romance. 

Olympia isn't yet friends with Billy and Sarah. At best, she can be friendly toward them. 

We've barely seen Olympia's assistant, but I think it's safe to say she and Olympia are not closer than Olympia and Matty.

Which again is sort of sad. Olympia has been with Jacobson Moore for a decade-plus, and her best friend at work may well be someone who had been scamming her, and who stole the recording of her father's inspirational words toward her.

Kinda rooting for Sarah to get her super-villain on, TBH. 

[Cotypubby]

Maddy trying so extra hard to make Olympia and Julian’s divorce worse is really icky. I would not be surprised if Olympia ends up winning and getting what she wants and becoming partner and then it’s revealed that she was behind the Welbrexa coverup while Julian was innocent.

[Johannah]

Fast forwarding through any of Mattie's scenes at home or on the phone with her family was doing a good job of making me like her more until she screwed over Sarah.  Screwing with the two lawyers that are somehow under her now just reminded me of how much of a jerk she can be.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 2/7/2025 at 4:20 PM, johntfs said:

Then, as a tactic to avoid discovery, Matty essentially betrayed Sarah in giving first chair to Billy.

Another tactic to avoid discovery, when actually discovered rifling through someone's drawer, is not to say "Weren't you supposed to be interviewing a witness?"  Kind of a suspicious thing to say. 

Too bad the original recording pen wasn't linked to a specially-created email. But then, maybe Autry wouldn't have won his case?

Btw, a landlord in NYC would have to be crazy to lock a tenant out. You can't do it even if they stop paying rent.  The tenant can not only collect damages, it's also a misdemeanor to do so. No rational landlord would chance it for the reasons this one did. Also, how is it relevant that the tenant has a daughter in Queens he could allegedly live with (other than it provided a clue)? A tenant doesn't get points in housing court for not having near-by relatives, or lose points because he does.

 

[eel2178]

6 hours ago, Cotypubby said:

Maddy trying so extra hard to make Olympia and Julian’s divorce worse is really icky. I would not be surprised if Olympia ends up winning and getting what she wants and becoming partner and then it’s revealed that she was behind the Welbrexa coverup while Julian was innocent.

She has almost crossed the line of trying to frame Julian instead of really trying to find out who's guilty.

[nilyank]

On 2/7/2025 at 9:24 PM, Morrigan2575 said:

They're going so hard on Julian being the "bad guy" and Olympia being in the clear i will be totally disappointed if Olympia doesn't turn out to have forged Senior's signature.

 

I still think it Senior. I just think that he planted the evidence to give him an alibi if it ever came out the firm hid the evidence for their client..

[Sake614]

14 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Btw, a landlord in NYC would have to be crazy to lock a tenant out. You can't do it even if they stop paying rent.  The tenant can not only collect damages, it's also a misdemeanor to do so. No rational landlord would chance it for the reasons this one did. Also, how is it relevant that the tenant has a daughter in Queens he could allegedly live with (other than it provided a clue)? A tenant doesn't get points in housing court for not having near-by relatives, or lose points because he does.

That irked me sooo much! Like, it takes YEARS to evict someone, regardless of the reasons. I had a friend who tried to evict a tenant who was a drug addict and physically beating his girlfriend. Cops were called, he was arrested then released.  My friend finally started eviction proceedings and it still took almost two years to get them out. Of course the tenant didn’t pay rent for the entire time, and when they finally did move, the apartment had to be completely redone before it could be rented again. So there’s absolutely no way Autry was ceremoniously evicted on the spot. And if they did, all he had to do was call the cops and they would’ve informed the coop that it was illegal. That shouldn’t have stopped them from making his life miserable or trying to force him to move. But they couldn’t just throw him out on the street like that.

[Morrigan2575]

17 hours ago, nilyank said:

I still think it Senior. I just think that he planted the evidence to give him an alibi if it ever came out the firm hid the evidence for their client..

If it's Senior they need to bring him back in to build it up, still time to do it. I also like the spec that it was Shae.

Is there any chance it could be Senior's poor Assistant? I could see Senior having this guy sign stuff for him, and the guy just didn't even know what he was singing/doing?

Edited February 10 by Morrigan2575

[andromeda331]

3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

If it's Senior they need to bring him back in to build it up, still time to do it. I also like the spec that it was Shae.

Is there any chance it could be Senior's poor Assistant? I could see Senior having this guy sign stuff for him, and the guy just didn't even know what he was singing/doing?

It's a possiblity. A lot of executives, partners, and etc. do have their assistants doing most if not all the signing. 

[Yeah No]

On 2/8/2025 at 6:31 AM, shapeshifter said:

Yeah. On a recent podcast snippet I caught about friendships, there was an insightful comment about the mutability of friendships due to shared circumstances at the moment. Matty and Olympia are definitely sharing a friendship now, but it’s not like it’s an established relationship with a basis for undying loyalty.

Yes, like most work friendships they usually don't transition beyond that.

26 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

It's a possiblity. A lot of executives, partners, and etc. do have their assistants doing most if not all the signing. 

Yes, I used to be one of them.

11 hours ago, Sake614 said:

That irked me sooo much! Like, it takes YEARS to evict someone, regardless of the reasons. I had a friend who tried to evict a tenant who was a drug addict and physically beating his girlfriend. Cops were called, he was arrested then released.  My friend finally started eviction proceedings and it still took almost two years to get them out. Of course the tenant didn’t pay rent for the entire time, and when they finally did move, the apartment had to be completely redone before it could be rented again. So there’s absolutely no way Autry was ceremoniously evicted on the spot. And if they did, all he had to do was call the cops and they would’ve informed the coop that it was illegal. That shouldn’t have stopped them from making his life miserable or trying to force him to move. But they couldn’t just throw him out on the street like that.

Absolutely. It takes a long time to evict anyone in NYC but I've read that the housing authority in NY rarely questions an eviction by a co-op board.

I just wanted to say that I thought that it was really dumb of Mattie to tie that pen to a personal email account. She and her husband should be smarter than that. And the way she acted about it when caught looking in the desk drawer was suspicious. She's getting sloppy and now she's made an enemy of someone that could really hurt her.

[shapeshifter]

8 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I just wanted to say that I thought that it was really dumb of Mattie to tie that pen to a personal email account. She and her husband should be smarter than that. And the way she acted about it when caught looking in the desk drawer was suspicious. She's getting sloppy and now she's made an enemy of someone that could really hurt her.

Alfie did it, and kids don't always think about future consequences.
And Mattie and hubbie aren't tech savvy enough to consider how the data is coming to them:

• Alfie? It's a little late for screens, sweetheart.
• I was going to check the pen transcript before bed.
• Oh. There was a snafu at the office and it's in the wind. But don't worry.
• But what if someone figures out it's a recording device?
• I paid cash.
• [ALFIE] Yeah, but I had to connect it to an email address. Which could eventually be traced to us.

"Which could eventually be traced to us" could go lots of ways, plot-wise, from next episode to next season to never.
Mattie could even try to enlist the help of Sarah's we're-on-a-break girlfriend, coming up with some elderly friend who needs to delete something to protect her from scammers.

Edited February 10 by shapeshifter

[Yeah No]

1 minute ago, shapeshifter said:

Alfie did it, and kids don't always think about future consequences.
And Mattie and hubbie aren't tech savvy enough to consider how the data is coming to them:

• Alfie? It's a little late for screens, sweetheart.
• I was going to check the pen transcript before bed.
• Oh. There was a snafu at the office and it's in the wind. But don't worry.
• But what if someone figures out it's a recording device?
• I paid cash.
• [ALFIE] Yeah, but I had to connect it to an email address. Which could eventually be traced to us.

I hear you but they seem to be pretty savvy about some things. I'm not that tech. savvy either but I would have known that the information was coming to me at an email address and everything we do online can be traced unless precautions are taken. I felt like it fed into the stereotype of seniors being clueless about certain things. And Alfie not thinking about that or telling them beforehand was even harder to swallow. If he's supposedly that tech. savvy I don't know if I buy that that would have been lost on him. 🤷‍♀️

[Chicago Redshirt]

On 2/8/2025 at 7:56 PM, Johannah said:

Screwing with the two lawyers that are somehow under her now just reminded me of how much of a jerk she can be.

I will say this: Matty should be above Billy and Sarah. She has more experience than the two of them combined and raised to the 4th power (about two years out of law school, give or take). She has been earned the respect she has been getting by finding key insights to win all but one of their cases (and she won that case too, it just was undermined by shenanigans by Senior). I haven't updated how much the firm has won for clients thanks to her for a bit, but it was in the area of $40 million IIRC. Which means that she earned the firm about a third of that. When you make it rain like Matty has, you deserve to be rewarded. Meanwhile, in what seemingly was Billy's first court win, he defended against an eviction attempt that probably made the firm either literal zero money or for all practical purposes close to it. 

13 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

If it's Senior they need to bring him back in to build it up, still time to do it. I also like the spec that it was Shae.

Is there any chance it could be Senior's poor Assistant? I could see Senior having this guy sign stuff for him, and the guy just didn't even know what he was singing/doing?

They need to better work on that whole mystery.

My understanding is that Team Matty has ruled out Senior as the culprit because some e-mail included a picture showing Senior on vacation when the Smoking Gun documents were ordered to be covered up. If that is the case, that is a super-silly reason to exclude him. 

Senior could just as easily have ordered the Smoking Gun documents to be covered up before he went on vacation, as he was on vacation, or even in a worst case scenario found out about the coverup and approved of it after he went on vacation. Indeed, I think that within the series, we have seen that Senior's current assistant can sign things on his behalf. If it hasn't explicitly been shown, it's still a common enough thing that Team Matty should know that is a possibility.

The Powers that Be have set up a false narrative where hypothetically only one of the three is responsible for the coverup, when any combination of the three or indeed people outside the three could be equally or more responsible.

I wish someone would educate Team Matty to this obvious possibility, and/or The Powers that Be did a better job explaining a) what exactly the Smoking Gun documents are b) why Team Matty came to suspect only Senior, Julian and Olympia of doing the coverup c) why Team Matty thinks that whoever did the coverup acted alone and d) what Team Matty's game plan might be once they figure who their culprit is. 

[seacliffsal]

I am surprised by Mattie being so 'in' on Julian being the 'villain' based on absolutely nothing other than trying to protect her 'friend' Olympia.

And, I think Sarah is not long for the law firm if she's so vengeful based on having a chair switch made by a supervising lawyer (and Olympia put Mattie in that position).  Very few firms would keep an employee who swore vengeance because of a chair change (or, really, because of any decision made related to a case/client).  That and her inability to make connections with clients would seem to spell the end of the road for her at that firm.  There are plenty of over achieving intelligent lawyers who would love to get into a big successful firm IMO.

I don't see how anything Mattie found in Lucille's room could be evidence in the case.  Illegal search?

Really like Autry-hope to see him again in a future episode.

And, for all of Mattie's concern about Alfie if something should happen to them?  I think he should be with someone else now as I don't see anyway for this upbringing to be good for him outside of being with family (lack of sleep [it seemed very late when he was concerned about the pen], vengeance over school, lying, etc.).

[cinsays]

2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I hear you but they seem to be pretty savvy about some things. I'm not that tech. savvy either but I would have known that the information was coming to me at an email address and everything we do online can be traced unless precautions are taken. I felt like it fed into the stereotype of seniors being clueless about certain things. And Alfie not thinking about that or telling them beforehand was even harder to swallow. If he's supposedly that tech. savvy I don't know if I buy that that would have been lost on him. 🤷‍♀️

yeah, it's pretty easy to just set up a dummy email and he would know that

[seacliffsal]

I was surprised when Mattie didn't think anyone would believe she was Sarah's grandmother which led to Sarah's background story.  I was surprised because I know several 'grandparents' who look nothing like their grandchildren due to mixed heritages, adoptions, step-grandchildren, etc.  I would not have given their relationship a second thought other than how wonderful that a granddaughter was helping her grandmother find a place to live.

[Chicago Redshirt]

3 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

I am surprised by Mattie being so 'in' on Julian being the 'villain' based on absolutely nothing other than trying to protect her 'friend' Olympia.

And, I think Sarah is not long for the law firm if she's so vengeful based on having a chair switch made by a supervising lawyer (and Olympia put Mattie in that position).  Very few firms would keep an employee who swore vengeance because of a chair change (or, really, because of any decision made related to a case/client).  That and her inability to make connections with clients would seem to spell the end of the road for her at that firm.  There are plenty of over achieving intelligent lawyers who would love to get into a big successful firm IMO.

I don't see how anything Mattie found in Lucille's room could be evidence in the case.  Illegal search?

Really like Autry-hope to see him again in a future episode.

And, for all of Mattie's concern about Alfie if something should happen to them?  I think he should be with someone else now as I don't see anyway for this upbringing to be good for him outside of being with family (lack of sleep [it seemed very late when he was concerned about the pen], vengeance over school, lying, etc.).

If one had to reduce it to "It's either Julian or Olympia who did it" -- which of course one shouldn't -- it seems to me like Julian would be far more likely to be the culprit from what we know:

1. He's Senior's son so likely more eager to please Senior

2. Wellbrexa ended up being one of his personal clients that he retains to this day, suggesting he may have done something to earn that perk (such as cover up the addictive nature of opioids).

3. Julian cheated on Olympia, suggesting he's more willing to violate ethical lines. 

Obviously none of this is all that strong evidence, let alone conclusive. I'm just saying it's where I'd come down if I had to make a choice on which is the more likely culprit without factoring in meta stuff (i.e. things like "Olympia can't be the culprit because we the viewers like her too much" or "Olympia MUST be the culprit because it'll be the sort of shocking twist that viewers won't expect that the Olympia actress has hinted at").

[Chicago Redshirt]

28 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

I was surprised when Mattie didn't think anyone would believe she was Sarah's grandmother which led to Sarah's background story.  I was surprised because I know several 'grandparents' who look nothing like their grandchildren due to mixed heritages, adoptions, step-grandchildren, etc.  I would not have given their relationship a second thought other than how wonderful that a granddaughter was helping her grandmother find a place to live.

I must plead guilty to thinking the same way as Matty here. Even though intellectually I realize that there could be interracial adoptive grandparents, step-grands and grandparents-in-law, my first thought would be about biological grandparents which would be harder to get to. Neither Matty nor Sarah look like they are biracial. 

I think it would be in character for Matty as a 75-year-old Southerner to not know as many biracial people or to think so much about interracial relationships leading to interracial grandchildren. 

[possibilities]

I wouldn't in real life have trouble making the leap (and also would imagine adoption is a possibility), but because they are on a sting operation, I would think Maddy would be worried about other people noticing and it making them more memorable. 

But I like that the show made it a mistake on Maddy's part, and not reasonable for her to worry about it. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Finally got around to seeing this.

Oh look! It's Sgt. L.C. Ross from Private Benjamin (movie and show; Lester Jenkins from 227 Hal Williams as Autry!!!

2 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I think it would be in character for Matty as a 75-year-old Southerner to not know as many biracial people or to think so much about interracial relationships leading to interracial grandchildren. 

Maybe if this show was set in the 50s. By the 70s, we had biracial children from mixed marriages, as well as children from GIs who fought in Korea, Vietnam, and of course, orphans from Vietnam who had been adopted (I seem to recall reading about that in the 80s). And let's not forget that Matty worked as a lawyer for many years and wasn't in some assbackwards town.

Aside from the shitty thing she did to Sarah, Sarah, a first year associate, even thinking she could get revenge on Matty? At this point? There's suspension of disbelief and then there's I can't suspend it!

Show, just STAHP with John Ritter's adorable son Julian being the guilty one!

And that whole back and forth with the expert witnesses' testimony, as if they're playing ping-pong and can argue what the other said back and forth, not to mention their editorializing each others' testimony.

[Bastet]

8 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Sarah's we're-on-a-break girlfriend,

They're not on a break, they're still seeing each other.  It's just that Sarah told her she's not seeing other people, too, while Kira is going to continue doing so and they'll check in about exclusivity in another month or two.

[Chicago Redshirt]

23 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Maybe if this show was set in the 50s. By the 70s, we had biracial children from mixed marriages, as well as children from GIs who fought in Korea, Vietnam, and of course, orphans from Vietnam who had been adopted (I seem to recall reading about that in the 80s). And let's not forget that Matty worked as a lawyer for many years and wasn't in some assbackwards town.

True, but I'd say the default expectation for many would be we're talking "biological grandmother/daughter" and it remains the case that Sarah doesn't look like she is biracial (as opposed to, say, Skye from Agents of SHIELD/Chloe Bennet, or your friend and mine, Smallville Lana/Kristin Kreuk).

[Nashville]

Initially the writers seemed focused on one of the Big Three (Senior/ Julian/ Olympia) doing the Wellbrexa deed.

Now Shae is being floated as an outlier possibility - immediately after her one night stand with Julian is revealed…?

So - insofar as it appears the writers have no direction or guidance other than to implicate EVERYONE who has a mind to do a few laps in this family’s gene pool, I’m just waiting to see how long it takes them to rope Elijah into this Charlie Foxtrot.

[Yeah No]

28 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

True, but I'd say the default expectation for many would be we're talking "biological grandmother/daughter" and it remains the case that Sarah doesn't look like she is biracial (as opposed to, say, Skye from Agents of SHIELD/Chloe Bennet, or your friend and mine, Smallville Lana/Kristin Kreuk).

OK I'll be the one to say it - my dear friend from college is half Irish and half Chinese and she looks pretty much all Chinese. The spitting image of her mom!

12 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Initially the writers seemed focused on one of the Big Three (Senior/ Julian/ Olympia) doing the Wellbrexa deed.

Now Shae is being floated as an outlier possibility - immediately after her one night stand with Julian is revealed…?

So - insofar as it appears the writers have no direction or guidance other than to implicate EVERYONE who has a mind to do a few laps in this family’s gene pool, I’m just waiting to see how long it takes them to rope Elijah into this Charlie Foxtrot.

I have also been wondering when they're going to throw Elijah on the suspect pile. I hope it's not Julian or Olympia. I don't really care about Senior but I would actually prefer it be someone on the periphery and not him either.

[MissLucas]

Sarah has every right to be pissed off because Matty did not change her mind in the middle of the night thinking Billy had more empathy - that was complete BS she switched to distract Billy from her snooping around in his desk.

Sarah does not know that but she had allowed herself to be vulnerable and open - i.e. following Matty's advice - just to get the door slammed in her face by Matty basically telling her 'You're still not good enough!' I'd be pissed too - in fact I am on Sarah's behalf and I do hope that this is one of the mistakes that lead to Matty's downfall. There was character growth that Matty just squashed to not get caught.

Obviously what she (and hubby) are doing to Olympia and Julian is just as bad or worse. Even if Olympia and Julian never had a chance to get back together so far their kids had parents that got along. Thanks to Matty and Co. that's now gone. 

Finally we get word on Alfie's Dad. At this point I wish he'd be someone decent who never knew he had a son and then files for custody. Preferably after Matty's house of lies came crumbling down because Dad would have a really good case at this hands. And hopefully Olympia will be his lawyer.

Yeah, at this point I'm ready for Matty to get her comeuppance! 

[tv echo]

I was very sympathetic to Matty and her cause at the beginning of this season. But now what she's doing is hurting other, innocent people.

I do want whoever is responsible for hiding the opiod info to be punished. But I don't like the collateral damage that Matty is causing along the way. 

Since this show is getting good ratings, I think they have to find some way to continue it with Matty even after her lies are exposed, in a way that preserves her relationships with the regular cast (unless they change the cast).

[DearEvette]

3 hours ago, tv echo said:

I was very sympathetic to Matty and her cause at the beginning of this season. But now what she's doing is hurting other, innocent people.

See, I wasn't even that sympathetic to Matty in the beginning because I thought the whole set up and premise was stupid.  But I did like Matty herself.  And even as I roll my eyes at her incredible main character plot armor, I went with it because well, you just do.

I don't for a minute believe that lawyers aren't ruthless enough to manipulate every loophole they can to get the best outcome for their client. And you could argue that in Matty's head, her dead daughter is her client. But usually when that is happening, the lawyers on the opposing side are on the same playing field and knows what the plays are. But in this the opposing team aren't even aware they are playing. 

But between her ruthlessly dismissing her old friend who simply wanted  her help with his own child going through the same thing her daughter did, to the way she absolutely slammed the door in Sarah's face, to the way she is manipulating the rift between Olympia and Julian. Everything she is doing is just cruel.  Not to mention the listening devices and rifling through people's personal spaces.  So it makes it hard to really even like her as much.

To me the best comeuppance she could have is to realize she was working with faulty intel from the start, i.e. the infamous Reddit post was a piece of hooey or that the suppressed memo wasn't the big smoking gun she thought it was and that her whole mission is built on a foundation of smoke. Now she has to deal with the harm she's caused and has to make reparations. All the while she now has to maintain the false identity which is becoming harder and harder to maintain.

[shapeshifter]

6 hours ago, DearEvette said:

But between her ruthlessly dismissing her old friend who simply wanted  her help with his own child going through the same thing her daughter did, to the way she absolutely slammed the door in Sarah's face, to the way she is manipulating the rift between Olympia and Julian. Everything she is doing is just cruel. 

Yep. "Hurt people hurt people."

6 hours ago, DearEvette said:

To me the best comeuppance she could have is to realize she was working with faulty intel from the start, i.e. the infamous Reddit post was a piece of hooey or that the suppressed memo wasn't the big smoking gun she thought it was and that her whole mission is built on a foundation of smoke. Now she has to deal with the harm she's caused and has to make reparations. All the while she now has to maintain the false identity which is becoming harder and harder to maintain.

Agree!

[Bastet]

This didn't have my full attention last week, so I re-watched it while eating lunch today.

I didn't like Olympia taking a shitty client for the sake of the partner race (and Matty trying to create a contentious divorce so there will be forensic accounting), but I was placated by the amusing interaction between Olympia, Matty, Sarah and Billy (and Billy's belt buckle), and then Sarah telling Matty about her grandma made it all worthwhile -- and, of course, all the more sad when Matty pulled the housing court case back from her.

But how Matty is increasingly getting in her own way, and bulldozing through other people's lives, is something I hope is building to a layered payoff.