S47.E10: Loyal to the Soil

[EllieW]

17 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

Why is her face so dirty? Nobody else looks that dirty.  She also seems to have smudged black eyeliner. If she brought eyeliner as her personal item (they used to be allowed one personal item, but I don’t know of that is still true) why does it always look so messy…like she slept in it? It’s not a tattoo like her eyebrows. I imagine putting on makeup without a mirror might account for it. I bet she won’t be thrilled when she sees herself on tv. 

I was hoping someone would mention her filthy face. I even googled it to see if anyone else noticed it. I stopped the playback during the rainstorm at TC to see if dirt was streaking down her face but her face looked just as filthy. Why!

[astrohip]

3 hours ago, Katie111 said:

 

It always bugs me when they go to reward challenges and the don't even wash off their hands or the sand on their face before they start eating.  I know they are hungry but it would take one second to do and you wouldn't be eating sand or dirt.

Question that has probably been covered multiple times over the years but my son just asked me about last night-what kind of sunscreen are they given and how often? 

Yes, as @Skooma said above, the producers do NOT allow them to wash up after a mud challenge, so when go to The Sanctuary ("Where good...."), they look like crap. Someone mentioned this a week or two ago in an exit interview. How they really wanted to clean up, but they were told to go straight to the table.

One of the items they are provided by production is unlimited sunscreen. I'm not sure if it was that way in the early days, but they do it now. Along with any items needed by females for "female issues".

Edited 11 hours ago by astrohip

[Special K]

As @JudyObscure mentioned upthread, Sue's face is probably melasma caused by sun exposure.  Melasma can be exacerbated if you're taking hormones like the pill or HRT, which Sue might be on at her age (yes, she is almost certainly post menopausal at...ahem..."45 years old" 😎).

Honestly, she looks terrible and for someone as evidently vain as she seems to be, I'm sure it's killing her.

[violet and green]

5 hours ago, Gummo said:

Gabe was a good choice to go, but [Matthew Perry voice] could it BE any more obvious that they shoulda gotten Kyle out when they had the chance? 

This was so frustrating! And there's Genevieve, less crowing about it this episode, but still repeating it was good for her game in some unspecified way...

Yeah, good for you game to leave in the guy who wins almost every single challenge when you have a rare chance to vote him out and a ready crew to get it done. Good for your game to leave Tuku 4-strong, while you whittle your original tribe down to 2. Good for your game to boot someone out prepared to be loyal and vote with you. Good for your game to get out a shield. Good for your game to alienate Teeny. Good for your game to paint a large target on your back. Good for your game to have no real allies left.

I hope she enjoyed those grinning confessionals in the previous episodes as much as she seemed to at the time, because that was a really dumb move. Sure, get Sol out at 5 or 6, or whenever, but it was not good for her game to do that now.

And, man, it was bad for Sol's game! I really wanted her to get voted out last night, but then again her facial expressions were excellent at tribal, so glad it was Gabe after all. 

[blackwing]

2 hours ago, Skooma said:

I'm sure it bugs them too since it is production that does NOT allow them to clean up before eating.  They want the "look" for the eating shots and have always forbidden washing up before eating after a food reward challenge.

I hope they are at least allowed to wash their hands with soap.  Or at least sanitize them.  I find it gross if someone comes up to eat with poop hands.  There's no sanitizer on the table of course because it would destroy the "look", but come on, it's been many years since the show has pretended that the contestants were actually "roughing it".  Didn't they used to have to boil their water?  Now the well is always stocked with plenty of fresh water.

[Chicago Redshirt]

5 hours ago, Skooma said:

It isn't an insult.  More a joke.

And exactly what kind of personality is allowed to reference a very common phrase?  Everybody knows that phrase and Kyle isn't some sub-species of the human race.  He seems a pretty intelligent guy to me.

It's not flattering to be compared to Tweedledee and Tweedledum, and as someone pointed out, Andy was doing it to stir Caroline to action against Kyle for saying it. 

To be clear:

I'm not saying Kyle wasn't "allowed" to mention Tweedledee/Tweedledum.

I'm not saying that the name of the pair is obscure. I know that Tweedledee and Tweedledum are a part of pop culture beyond Through The Looking Glass.

I'm not saying that Kyle is some sub-species of the human race or is not intelligent. As far as I can tell, he's as intelligent as any of the people they've cast this season. 

It's certainly possible, even probable, that Kyle knows of Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

It's certainly possible that Kyle has talked smack about how Sue and Caroline are tight.

What I am saying is that I suspect that if Kyle had literally said anything close to "Sue and Caroline are like Tweedledee and Tweedledum," that the editors would at some point have shown it, just as they showed the glorious montage of Sue being salty about Kyle, and exposing how stupid Andy's strategy was. Trying to get Sue riled up about Kyle is like taking coals to Newcastle, and he's acting like he's the big spidery manipulator.

What I'm saying is from the glimpse we have gotten into Kyle's personality through editing, I don't see him making that particular reference. Now, of course, the glimpse we have gotten into his personality might be off, or I might be off in making that conclusion. 

That isn't a commentary on his intelligence level or anything like that. I know who Tweedledum and Tweedledee are, and I think I'm reasonably intelligent. Yet I probably would not refer to people as such even if did want to insult them. I would probably use some reference from comics or sci-fi. Call them clones or refer to them as Batman and Robin or something. That's just my personality.

[Skooma]

8 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

It's not flattering to be compared to Tweedledee and Tweedledum ...

...  I probably would not refer to people as such even if did want to insult them. I would probably use some reference from comics or sci-fi. Call them clones or refer to them as Batman and Robin or something. That's just my personality.

It isn't an insult either.  Just a funny put-down that nobody should feel thin skinned about. 

And I'm not one for Batman pop stuff.  I so would have used Tweedledum and Tweedeldum-dum (my version) regards Sue and Caroline.  So everybody has different fun put-downs.

[blackwing]

22 minutes ago, Skooma said:

It isn't an insult either.  Just a funny put-down that nobody should feel thin skinned about. 

And I'm not one for Batman pop stuff.  I so would have used Tweedledum and Tweedeldum-dum (my version) regards Sue and Caroline.  So everybody has different fun put-downs.

It might not be an insult to you, but others might consider it an insult.  And as pointed out upthread, Andy clearly intended it as an insult and Sue clearly interpreted it that way.

Andy knew that Sue hates Kyle and he was stirring the pot and trying to get her to hate him even more so she would want to vote him out.  He wouldn't have said this to her if he wasn't trying to purposely upset her.  She interpreted the comment in the manner he wanted her to.

Edited 9 hours ago by blackwing

[iMonrey]

Definitely not a compliment.

[violet and green]

Whatever its historical meaning, Tweedledee and Tweedledum colloquially means two people who are more or less joined at the hip, they are a package deal, one comes with the other. In other words, Sue and Caroline are close allies.

[dancingdreamer]

19 hours ago, Notabug said:

I think she's got dark 'sun spots' all over her face from years of damage from lying in the sun or a tanning bed. Once the damage is done, exposure to the sun, especially without high SPF sunscreen, will bring them out and make them darker.  Hence, her face looks dirty.  She needs concealer and foundation to cover them up; along with SPF 50 or more and a wide brimmed hat.

Maybe her lash extensions are breaking off, because  something  was running just under her eyes.  I agree about the sun damage.

[Steph Sometimes]

20 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

Why is her face so dirty? Nobody else looks that dirty

Obviously, Sue is showing that she is very loyal to the soil.

[rr2911]

Andy is going to win this thing!  He is flying under the radar.  He is another Maryanne.  Next week they better vote him out!

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, Steph Sometimes said:

Obviously, Sue is showing that she is very loyal to the soil.

Maybe she's missing her regular visits to the spa for facials and is making her own mud masks and not washing it off.

[eel2178]

7 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

Did anyone notice that Sam was using his arms and not his head to push the ball on the sand in the reward challenge?

Also, at the immunity challenge, there were several people--Kyle the winner included--who were resting their platforms on their forearms instead of holding it with just their fingertips.

Why was that allowed?

Edited 6 hours ago by eel2178

[Notabug]

5 minutes ago, eel2178 said:

Also, at the immunity challenge, there were several people--Kyle the winner included--who were resting their platforms on their forearms instead of holding it with just their fingertips.

Why was that allowed?

Better question, since it was obviously allowed is why didn't everyone do it?

[Tachi Rocinante]

3 hours ago, violet and green said:

Whatever its historical meaning, Tweedledee and Tweedledum colloquially means two people who are more or less joined at the hip, they are a package deal, one comes with the other. In other words, Sue and Caroline are close allies.

Where I come from, it's an insult.  Yes, it means two people joined at the hip and one comes with the other, but when used it's also implied that they're both morons.

[CraftyHazel]

12 hours ago, Gummo said:

Teeny seems like such a nice person and they're gorgeous, to boot. I wish them the happiness they deserve!

Honestly, I thought I was the only one!  I have a little crush.