S04.E02: Part 2

[Cranberry]

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As Danvers and Prior set out to learn more about Tsalal – and find an unlikely location for the physical evidence – Captain Connelly threatens to move the case to Anchorage. Later, Navarro and Danvers separately find a connection between one of the Tsalal men and Annie, prompting the former partners to agree to work the case together.

Original air date: January 21, 2024

[AimingforYoko]

I do like when a show is not afraid to make their protagonist an ass. Liz is not particularly likable.

So the cases are connected (not a shock) and the Irish dude is the connector. If he's the killer, I'll be surprised.

[Penman61]

Two things confused me tonight:

1) In the opener, the frozen victim who started moving/screaming when his hand was broken off: was that just dropped? What’s his status? After the credits, I thought we heard radio talk about a victim in an induced coma who might need leg amputation—was that this victim? 

2) I thought Peter Prior was Liz’s son, but tonight when Hank/dad slapped him, he said something about her “not being your blood.” How are Liz and Prior connected? UPDATE: Peter is Liz’s subordinate and mentee but not her son. Some Ep1 exchanges misdirected me. 

Edited January 22 by Penman61

[maystone]

39 minutes ago, Penman61 said:

Two things confused me tonight:

1) In the opener, the frozen victim who started moving/screaming when his hand was broken off: was that just dropped? What’s his status? After the credits, I thought we heard radio talk about a victim in an induced coma who might need leg amputation—was that this victim? 

2) I thought Peter Prior was Liz’s son, but tonight when Hank/dad slapped him, he said something about her “not being your blood.” How are Liz and Prior connected?

Yeah, that first point was confusing,they sure did drop any follow-up about the screaming corpse. My take on the phone call was that it was about an unrelated car accident or something and that the writer(s) threw it in there just to confuse us.

Liz is Peter's mentor. I'm still trying to figure out all of the relationships. Small town - everyone's up in everyone else's business so it makes it believable that they've all known each other forever, but it makes it harder for me to suss out who's related to whom by blood or marriage or what have you. Like the relationship between Liz and Leah isn't one of blood, but Liz's young (and deceased?) son has Indigenous heritage. I think Leah's dad might have been the father to Liz's son. Time will tell.

I really like Liz. I really like Evangeline. And Leah. I freakin' love Rose. Mostly I love that True Detective, in it's fourth season, is showcasing female characters, and a diverse crew at that.

And let me just put my current theory out there: The she in "She's awake"?

She's Gaia.

 

[oohboo]

1 hour ago, Penman61 said:

Two things confused me tonight:

1) In the opener, the frozen victim who started moving/screaming when his hand was broken off: was that just dropped? What’s his status? After the credits, I thought we heard radio talk about a victim in an induced coma who might need leg amputation—was that this victim? 

2) I thought Peter Prior was Liz’s son, but tonight when Hank/dad slapped him, he said something about her “not being your blood.” How are Liz and Prior connected?

I think he was placed in a coma and they did surgery. That was the conversation Jodie was having on the phone with the nurse. 

[Penman61]

3 minutes ago, oohboo said:

I think he was placed in a coma and they did surgery. That was the conversation Jodie was having on the phone with the nurse. 

I rewatched and I agree now. But is it truly possible to be frozen alive (or revived) after 2+ days?

[aghst]

Wait was the corpse of Clark among the frozen bodies but now he’s gone?  They only counted 9 feet, 5 heads at the popsicle site but there were 8 scientists.  So maybe they expected all the bodies would be there when it thawed?

Or they learned that he had the spiral tattoo on his chest from the cleaning women because he went around Tsalal naked sometimes?

But the guy with the spiral on his forehead didn’t have the tattoo when seen alive by the cleaning women?

I missed why they focused on Clark’s credit card records.  Also Clark was regularly sneaking away to be with Annie in that love shack trailer?

So Tsalal was looking for this extinct microorganism which would not only stop cellular destruction — aging? — but cure cancer.  Yet Clark the scientist seems to be into voodoo with his handwritten notes and the dolls or figurines hanging in the trailer not to mention a human adult sized doll on the bed.

Guess there’s more supernatural or mystical overtones, that one of the principal figures may be into or believed that stuff.

At first it seemed Liz was going to have Pete stay with the popsicle ll night while she put up the Christmas tree and hung out.  But she makes a booty call and then looks at Clark’s records and then discovers the Annie connection and then goes to the trailer that Navarro finds.

Pretty busy night.

Hank’s role is strange too.  Liz is chief but he was going to keep the police records from her until Pete stole the, from his house?  Why wouldn’t Liz have him punished?  He seems to be an asshole who’s widely hated.

[Cheezwiz]

I'm finally starting to understand some of the relationships. Wow, I totally had Liz's family all wrong based on the first episode. I genuinely thought the John Hawkes character was her ex-husband, and that the young rookie cop was their adult son together. She's not related to either of them, and young rookie cop is just her mentee/protege.

It looks like Liz may have had a son with a deceased partner shown in flashbacks - or the boy could have belonged to him only. I'm also assuming the young woman living with Liz is her stepdaughter. I guess something (the drunk driving incident) happened to Liz's husband & the little boy. I like that Liz is a problematic and not always likable character

I still don't quite understand Navarro's relationship with her sister - looks like they had a traumatic childhood, but how did they wind up in Alaska? Are they actual sisters? Or were they just raised together?

One of the head scientists had a relationship with the murdered woman Annie. Curious as to what they will find in the abandoned trailer.

I recoiled when Liz got it on with the Police Captain. Just. Ew. Yuck.

I'm hoping they pick up the plot thread with the screaming corpse  again. That definitely strained credulity.

So far my favourite characters are Rose, and the sweet dopey bar guy Navarro is having a fling with. Also the Alaskan malamute dog is excellent!

[grawlix]

21 minutes ago, aghst said:

Wait was the corpse of Clark among the frozen bodies but now he’s gone?  They only counted 9 feet, 5 heads at the popsicle site but there were 8 scientists.  So maybe they expected all the bodies would be there when it thawed?

Or they learned that he had the spiral tattoo on his chest from the cleaning women because he went around Tsalal naked sometimes?

But the guy with the spiral on his forehead didn’t have the tattoo when seen alive by the cleaning women?

I missed why they focused on Clark’s credit card records.  Also Clark was regularly sneaking away to be with Annie in that love shack trailer?

Of the eight men at Tsalal, six froze to death, one survived (Lund), and Clark is missing and presumed alive.  They originally thought Clark was a victim and would be among the frozen bodies.

I think they focused on Clark because he had a connection with Annie.  There was a picture of him wearing Annie's parka.

It was the Supply Guy who saw the spiral tattoo on Clark.

 

My question:

Was that Annie's body in the trailer?

 

Edited January 22 by grawlix

[Penman61]

10 minutes ago, grawlix said:

My question:

Was that Annie's body in the trailer?

No. In Ep1 we saw Navarro walk up to Annie’s body next to the shipping containers as she described the condition of the body in voiceover.

My guess is that what we saw in the trailer was a life-size effigy of Annie made by Clark after her death, for some mystical/grieving/voodoo purpose.

Edited January 22 by Penman61

[sjankis630]

I didn't remember as much from the last episode and didn't re-watch it because of football. I still can't believe they didn't have an accurate count on the frozen bodies. Liz is going to be roasted over that.

I guess I miss understood. Who was Hank texting to earlier about sending money for a sick mother? Is he being phished? He seems dumb enough for it.

[thuganomics85]

Since Navarro seemed very familiar with Danvers' "right questions" approach that she implored with Peter for the case, it certainly looks like that they had a similar mentor/student relationship in the past before it all went to shit.  Not to mention Danvers knew where Navarro (use to) puts her soup cans in the pantry.  Definitely curious to see what has led to them being at odds: feels way more than simply a case of Navarro became too obsessed with Annie's case.  There seems to be real anger and hostility with how Danvers treats her, so it feels like she has viewed something she did as an ultimate betrayal of some kind.

The only thing more disturbing than the "Corpsicles" is how the law enforcement was only slightly uncomfortable with it.  You get the sense that frozen bodies is something that is not only prepared for but expected to be run into in this line of work.

Looks like we get our first suspect with this Raymond Clay guy, who was part of the team, his body wasn't with the other corpses, and he was apparently romantically involved with Annie.  Which means he's totally a red herring: assuming he's still alive somehow.

I know pricing can be insane in certain remote areas, but $20 Oreos?  Madness!  I wonder what Chips Ahoy! will run you!

Hank/John Hawkes is totally getting phished/scammed with this phone girlfriend thing, right?

Why did Danvers get so upset over Leah wanting to know more about her Indigenous heritage?

Didn't know that Christopher Eccleston was going to be in this!

Rose/Fiona Shaw can see dead people?!

They certainly aren't afraid to make Danvers flawed to downright unlikable, but damn, if Jodie Foster isn't killing it in every scene.

 

 

[Snazzy Daisy]

So, Travis is Rust’s dad but Rose isn’t his mom. Right?

Raymond Clark is clearly haunted by Annie. His drawing below has some similarities to the earth’s magnetic field diagram. This could explains the electrical interferences, caribou jumping off the cliff and the dramatic decline of crabs. 🤨   
 

[Cheezwiz]

2 hours ago, sjankis630 said:

I guess I miss understood. Who was Hank texting to earlier about sending money for a sick mother? Is he being phished? He seems dumb enough for it.

The first episode mentioned him having a Russian mail-order bride on the way. So yep, he's probably being fleeced.

 

[RedDelicious]

Hank's (kind of) trying to fleece her too, although she clearly has the upper hand if he's the one emptying his wallet. She asked for a photo and he took a photo with his phone of himself and Peter when Peter was still a boy, therefore giving the impression Hank is much younger than he actually is.

*with his phone he took a photo of a photo in a frame. 

[pasdetrois]

I need to start watching earlier than I did last night, as I became lost as to what the heck was going on.

Won't the defrosting corpsicles stink, even in a cold hockey rink?

The whiny Malamute made me laugh. True to form and no acting there. I think the actor was cleaning the dog's ears and the dog wasn't having it.

Edited January 22 by pasdetrois

[Blakeston]

Okay, everyone on this show is being way too blasé about Lund still being alive after two days of being frozen solid naked in the Alaskan tundra.

And shouldn't they be concerned that the other scientists could still be alive, too? If their hands had fallen off, they might be screaming the same way.

This case isn't just a "shitbowl." it would be one of the biggest news stories in the world, easily, if the public realized how unbelievably disturbing the details are. And Leah, who's still a child, is just kind of vaguely curious about it, as opposed to shitting her pants in terror? Hell, they should all be shitting their pants in terror that they could be next.

[Zaffy]

19 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

This case isn't just a "shitbowl." it would be one of the biggest news stories in the world, easily, if the public realized how unbelievably disturbing the details are.

That's my only issue with the series so far.  This is a big big case. They should had called every forensic specialist to come and help with the investigation. 
Shouldn't FBI be there as well? I do expect some ppl from the scientists company to arrive soon. It is a tad insane they haven't been there yet.

[peeayebee]

 

8 hours ago, sjankis630 said:

I still can't believe they didn't have an accurate count on the frozen bodies. Liz is going to be roasted over that.

If she is, then that's unfair since the bodies were at least partially encased in ice. Who's to know if there was another body deeper in the ice. Pete made a remark about how it looked they'd been climbing over each other, so it stands to reason that someone could be on the bottom. I'm not saying there is; just that until they all thawed, you couldn't tell.

7 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

The only thing more disturbing than the "Corpsicles" is how the law enforcement was only slightly uncomfortable with it.  You get the sense that frozen bodies is something that is not only prepared for but expected to be run into in this line of work.

I was struck by that, too, esp the Leah's reaction. 

I like seeing Danvers and Pete working together. For such a young guy, he's pretty good.

After Danvers and Connelly had sex, they alluded to previous relationships. Connelly is no longer married. Divorced or widowed? And Danvers had had a relationship with someone named Jake. Do we know who that is?

Also, Leah told Pete that her father and Danvers used to dance together. Did they have a sexual relationship?

One character -- I can't remember who -- mentioned "the Wheeler thing." Again, do you know what this is?

While Navarro was driving, she found a dropped cross necklace in her car, flashed back to a moment with her sister(?), and then she nearly crashed and threw the necklace out the window. Is it possible that she was responsible for the death of Danvers' son?

I really like Qavvik. 

[Lassus]

As with everyone I think is doing a really great job acting, I did check on the actor playing Peter (young cop protege), and he is in fact is British.

Edited January 22 by Lassus

[Blakeston]

51 minutes ago, peeayebee said:

After Danvers and Connelly had sex, they alluded to previous relationships. Connelly is no longer married. Divorced or widowed? And Danvers had had a relationship with someone named Jake. Do we know who that is?

Also, Leah told Pete that her father and Danvers used to dance together. Did they have a sexual relationship?

I had the impression that Connelly's ex-wife was the woman who ran the ice rink. That woman despised Danvers, and I assumed it was because she knew that Danvers had been screwing her husband.

I also assumed that Jake was Leah's father, and that Danvers married Jake (who already had Leah from a previous relationship), and they had a kid together, and then Jake and the kid died.

Question about Navarro - from her name I assume she's Latina, but is she also indigenous? I got the impression that she was part of the indigenous community, but I could be wrong.

[peeayebee]

34 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

I had the impression that Connelly's ex-wife was the woman who ran the ice rink. That woman despised Danvers, and I assumed it was because she knew that Danvers had been screwing her husband.

That makes sense. I didn't make the connection.

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I also assumed that Jake was Leah's father, and that Danvers married Jake (who already had Leah from a previous relationship), and they had a kid together, and then Jake and the kid died.

That also makes sense. :)

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Question about Navarro - from her name I assume she's Latina, but is she also indigenous? I got the impression that she was part of the indigenous community, but I could be wrong.

I was wondering about this, too. However, she was surprised at the cost of the Oreos, so it seems like she hasn't been in Ennis (or Alaska?) all that long. Maybe because she was friends with Annie and worked on her case, she developed a lot of empathy and understanding of the indigenous people.

But not Danvers! She obviously has animosity toward them. I'm assuming it has to do with her son's death, esp since he was part indigenous, so she wouldn't have anger toward the people unless someone indigenous was responsible. 

[Maire]

11 hours ago, aghst said:

Pretty busy night.

But also could have been day time? Who the hell knows?

[iMonrey]

After reading through these posts it seems like the show has a little too much going on between the main cases and all the interpersonal connections. They would do better to slim this down and focus more on the cases. Part of the problem is when they start talking about the various scientists like Clark, we didn't see enough of them at the beginning to get a handle on who was who, much less care about them. It's just a lot of names.

It occurred to me while watching this episode it felt like a two-hour story that was being padded to fill out six hours. Way too much relationship angst and family dynamic crap.

1 hour ago, Blakeston said:

I also assumed that Jake was Leah's father, and that Danvers married Jake (who already had Leah from a previous relationship), and they had a kid together, and then Jake and the kid died.

That seems to be the case. Leah and Liz both have the same last name - Danvers. So Liz must have been married to Leah's father. But again . . . how important is that to the story, really? How important is it we know what's going on with Navarro's sister? Or her relationship with the bar owner? Or Liz's relationship with her chief?

I guess the show really wants to be about the detectives themselves rather than the case they're working on. The problem is the case is so damn weird I'm much more interested in that than I am in the personal lives of these two women. Nothing going on in their lives is going to be anywhere near as compelling.

[MrWhyt]

11 hours ago, aghst said:

I missed why they focused on Clark’s credit card records.

the credit card charge was what allowed them to track down the studio that did the tattoo, which then lead to confirmation that Clark had a relationship with Annie.

[peeayebee]

3 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I guess the show really wants to be about the detectives themselves rather than the case they're working on. The problem is the case is so damn weird I'm much more interested in that than I am in the personal lives of these two women.

All the scenes with them working the case were great and engaging. However, with whatever show or movie I watch, good characters and acting is important. One problem I'm having is still not particularly liking the Navarro character or actress. And of course it gets frustrating feeling lost as to the relationships. 

[Mindthinkr]

I had difficulty with the scene in the abandoned trailer that held all the weird voodoo-ish stuff. It’s so dark that it’s hard to make anything out; especially when they are panning and not necessarily focusing on one particular thing. 

[aghst]

True of a lot of series, relationship stuff to pad out seasons.

But TD has often put the focus on the private lives of the detectives so it’s been about the big case as well as the characters involved with the case.

1 hour ago, MrWhyt said:

the credit card charge was what allowed them to track down the studio that did the tattoo, which then lead to confirmation that Clark had a relationship with Annie.

Sure but why Clark’s records, why not all of them?

I don’t recall them looking or discussing the other scientists as much.

[Starchild]

1 hour ago, Maire said:

But also could have been day time? Who the hell knows?

I was thinking the same thing. We're so used to using day/night to mark the passing of time in our shows and movies. When there's no change, it really confuses things. But they said it could take 48 hours for the scientists to thaw, so there probably was a change of at least one, and possibly two, days in this episode.

 

3 minutes ago, aghst said:

Sure but why Clark’s records, why not all of them?

I don’t recall them looking or discussing the other scientists as much.

Wasn't he in charge? Presumably he'd be the one conducting business on behalf of the station, and they were trying to figure out who was funding it right? They wouldn't necessarily know which credit cards were his personal cards, and which were issued to him by the company, for station business.

3 hours ago, Zaffy said:

That's my only issue with the series so far.  This is a big big case. They should had called every forensic specialist to come and help with the investigation. 
Shouldn't FBI be there as well? I do expect some ppl from the scientists company to arrive soon. It is a tad insane they haven't been there yet.

This is literally an international case; these scientists are from all over the world. But it's been less than a week, and they seemed to be trying to find out who funded the station, so haven't been able to figure out who to call. 

Is Ennis too remote to have at least one newspaper/reporter though?

[Quilt Fairy]

11 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

So, Travis is Rust’s dad but Rose isn’t his mom. Right?

I only caught this because I had the closed captioning on and because they've been rerunning Season 1 a lot lately.  For those who don't know what we're talking about, Rose says that Travis's name is "Travis Cohle" and Matthew McConaughey's character in Season 1 (who hails from Alaska) is "Rustin (Rust) Cohle".  I think Rust's mother was dead, so it's unlikely to be Rose.  I was, however, waiting for her to make a proclamation that "time is a flat circle".  Though "Ennis is where time and space are coming apart at the seams" is pretty good, too. 

[Penman61]

Seems like it should/will be a bigger deal that Pete found that the Tsalal research station is being funded by a company named…Tuttle.

Season 1’s cult was headed by a man/company named…Tuttle.

This, together with Travis Cohle being Rust Cohle’s dad, makes me think S1 and S4 will be materially connected (rather than merely connected at a more abstract level, e.g. spiral motif).

[Enigma X]

29 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I only caught this because I had the closed captioning on and because they've been rerunning Season 1 a lot lately.  For those who don't know what we're talking about, Rose says that Travis's name is "Travis Cohle" and Matthew McConaughey's character in Season 1 (who hails from Alaska) is "Rustin (Rust) Cohle".  I think Rust's mother was dead, so it's unlikely to be Rose.  I was, however, waiting for her to make a proclamation that "time is a flat circle".  Though "Ennis is where time and space are coming apart at the seams" is pretty good, too. 

There are a lot of Easter eggs connecting season 1 to this season. Well, I was watching some YouTube videos that are making those connections. Some I caught on my own, but some I missed.

[tennisgurl]

I am really going to need to make some kind of murder board to keep up with all of the characters, their relationships, and all the pieces of this puzzle. My guess is that Jake was Liz's husband and Leah is his daughter and a lot of their awkwardness is her having to be the main parent after he died suddenly, and its also possible that they had another child who died. Pete is her mentee who's father is the asshole cop, his mom left awhile ago and his father is casually abusive and presumably has been (given how Leah knew right away that his bruise came from his dad and called him an animal) while Navarro is her former mentee who fell out with her pretty brutally. Still putting the rest of the pieces together. 

I know that this is a pretty isolated area, but you really would think that "scientists from around the world who were trying to cure cancer via ancient frozen cells were found dead in a lump in the ice in mysterious horror movie circumstances" would be a huge deal, with national and international news outlets everywhere and the FBI and probably international investigators coming to take over this batshit insane case. 

What the hell was going on in that trailer? This shit is getting even more creepy!

I think Liz freaked out about Leah getting those markings on her face because it made her look like Annie, the girl who was murdered. 

[MrWhyt]

1 hour ago, aghst said:

Sure but why Clark’s records, why not all of them?

I think she started with clark because of the photos that showed clark and annie wearing what looked like the same pink parka.

[Hedgehog2022]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

After reading through these posts it seems like the show has a little too much going on between the main cases and all the interpersonal connections. They would do better to slim this down and focus more on the cases. Part of the problem is when they start talking about the various scientists like Clark, we didn't see enough of them at the beginning to get a handle on who was who, much less care about them. It's just a lot of names.

It occurred to me while watching this episode it felt like a two-hour story that was being padded to fill out six hours. Way too much relationship angst and family dynamic crap.

That seems to be the case. Leah and Liz both have the same last name - Danvers. So Liz must have been married to Leah's father. But again . . . how important is that to the story, really? How important is it we know what's going on with Navarro's sister? Or her relationship with the bar owner? Or Liz's relationship with her chief?

I guess the show really wants to be about the detectives themselves rather than the case they're working on. The problem is the case is so damn weird I'm much more interested in that than I am in the personal lives of these two women. Nothing going on in their lives is going to be anywhere near as compelling.

I'm coming to close to just ditching this show. First off...a case like this would not only be international news, the FBI would be tasked with taking it over. A small town in the part of Alaska that's very remote with little to none resources to investigate a case like this would never be able to take this on. The police in this small town are woefully inept and understaffed. So that's the first beef I have with this.

The second problem I have is with all this wasted time on the personal/sex lives of the police and their families. It almost seems as though the writers just decided to fill up half the show with sex scenes. That's just gratuitous filler and frankly lazy on the part of the showrunner and the writers. 

This is a huge disappointment for me. It's been awhile since the last True Detective and the expectation was high. There are better shows on the streamers than this. 

[aghst]

I agree that FBI would come and take over this case, along with international media.

But remember, this is in the middle of nowhere, in Night Country.

Maybe those dumb Ennis cops taking selfies to post on their IG don't have many followers so nobody has noticed the corpsicle outside of some Alaska LEO.

It wouldn't take long for the FBI to learn and show up on the scene.  In fact you'd think they'd send some of the physical evidence to the FBI forensics labs.

But it's the conceit of this show that it would be these particular detectives who get to work this case and eventually crack it. 

[Snazzy Daisy]

The Corpsicle case has many similarities to the Dyatlov Pass incident, including the missing tongue. Is it intentional??!

Liz Danver and her team don't have the capacity to handle a case of this magnitude. Where's the FBI?

[12catcrazy]

How many hours/days has it been since we first saw the scientists and the herd of caribou run off the cliff until the time that episode 2 ended?  For some reason I'm thinking that we're talking 48 hours or so - maybe not yet enough time for the FBI and international news sources to descend upon Ennis.  

And about the sex scenes - yeah they take up too much time but this IS HBO and that seems to be a calling card for HBO shows.  Maybe the viewers expect and demand these scenes (although all I can say is 'yawn").    As for the "easter eggs" - sheesh, True Detective 1 was like 10 years ago - who the hell can remember that far back?   Maybe they are all a shout out for the hard core fans or just an exploitation of a sorts.   Series 4 should be able to stand alone on it's own merits without dragging up the obscure crap from Series 1, but just my opinion. 

[Affogato]

I’m guessing ‘the corporation’ funding the scientists is keeping the investigation quiet. I bet that is why Eccleston is there, although he may not know that specifically. 

16 hours ago, Penman61 said:

I rewatched and I agree now. But is it truly possible to be frozen alive (or revived) after 2+ days?

It is if you are infected by a virus that strengthens your cell walls so you can resist ice crystalization. 

Edited January 22 by Affogato
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[Quilt Fairy]

1 hour ago, 12catcrazy said:

As for the "easter eggs" - sheesh, True Detective 1 was like 10 years ago - who the hell can remember that far back?   Maybe they are all a shout out for the hard core fans or just an exploitation of a sorts.   Series 4 should be able to stand alone on it's own merits without dragging up the obscure crap from Series 1, but just my opinion. 

Agreed, but perhaps the frequent reruns of S1 lately (and S1 only, as far as I can tell) were meant to get everyone on board.  I've also read articles that the producers specifically wanted more of the supernatural vibe that was present in S1, but not S2 or S3.  I mean, when S1 first aired, people did analyze the hell out of the "Yellow King" and other references like that.  But in the end, it was just a detective story.   

True Detective was always meant to be an examination of how horrific crimes affect the lives of the policemen and policewomen trying to solve them. 

I think Jodie Foster is terrific in this, but they're trying to force a lot of sub-plots into a short, 6 episode season.  

[HDJulie]

7 hours ago, Zaffy said:

That's my only issue with the series so far.  This is a big big case. They should had called every forensic specialist to come and help with the investigation. 
Shouldn't FBI be there as well? I do expect some ppl from the scientists company to arrive soon. It is a tad insane they haven't been there yet.

They’ll be there in the morning ;-)

[iMonrey]

2 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

As for the "easter eggs" - sheesh, True Detective 1 was like 10 years ago - who the hell can remember that far back?   Maybe they are all a shout out for the hard core fans or just an exploitation of a sorts.   Series 4 should be able to stand alone on it's own merits without dragging up the obscure crap from Series 1, but just my opinion. 

Yeah, if this season is going to rely on me remembering Season 1 then I'm screwed. About the only thing I remember about Season 1 are endless scenes of Matthew McConaughey sitting at a table monologuing for what seemed like hours. I found it irritating, pretentious and showboaty. That - and Woody Harrelson being there - are literally the only things I remember about that season. And I have no intention of re-watching it either. What little I can remember about it, I didn't like.

[FoundTime]

8 hours ago, Blakeston said:

Question about Navarro - from her name I assume she's Latina, but is she also indigenous? I got the impression that she was part of the indigenous community, but I could be wrong.

The character is Iñupiak and Dominican American. (partly because) The actress is of Wampanoag and Cape Verdean descent.

NYT: 'True Detective' is playing it cool (no paywall)

[txhorns79]

8 hours ago, Maire said:

But also could have been day time? Who the hell knows?

Yeah, the months of total darkness adds to the disorientation of everything.  It's not clear if it is 2:00 pm or midnight.

I did just about lose it when they accidentally broke the frozen guy's arm off and he started screaming.      

[kay1864]

11 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Won't the defrosting corpsicles stink, even in a cold hockey rink?

Probably not for a while. Danvers mentioned 38°, the temperature of an average refrigerator.

[FoundTime]

8 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

Yeah, the months of total darkness adds to the disorientation of everything.  It's not clear if it is 2:00 pm or midnight.

I did just about lose it when they accidentally broke the frozen guy's arm off and he started screaming.

How do the on-screen titles put it? "Day 3 of night?" Lol

I mean, obviously the characters know what time of day it is, but the show seems fine with keeping its audience in the dark. (Sorry, I couldn't resist that pun.)

Yeah, I was not even sure that I heard what I thought I heard with that scream. It's a very hallucination-friendly milieu this season.

[Blakeston]

7 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I think Liz freaked out about Leah getting those markings on her face because it made her look like Annie, the girl who was murdered. 

I think that was part of it. But I also got the impression that this was a long-standing battle between Liz and Leah, with Liz being uncomfortable with Leah exploring her indigenous background. Liz seemed to have contempt for those Native women, and they had contempt for her.

Speaking of Liz's difficult relationship with Leah - I can't shake the feeling that this season is all too similar to Mare of Easttown. We've got a brittle middle-aged woman police offiicer who's mourning her dead son, can't get along with her lesbian daughter figure, and is taking shit about a case involving a missing/dead young woman that she couldn't crack, but obviously will. The dynamics with her and the community feel similar, too.

[peeayebee]

4 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Yeah, if this season is going to rely on me remembering Season 1 then I'm screwed. About the only thing I remember about Season 1 are endless scenes of Matthew McConaughey sitting at a table monologuing for what seemed like hours. I found it irritating, pretentious and showboaty. That - and Woody Harrelson being there - are literally the only things I remember about that season. And I have no intention of re-watching it either. What little I can remember about it, I didn't like.

I don't remember many details from S1 either. I did enjoy it though. I just hope that this season doesn't rely on having watched that first season. I'm thinking that the Easter Eggs are simply that -- just little bonuses for those who watched (and remembered) S1.

[kay1864]

2 hours ago, peeayebee said:

I don't remember many details from S1 either.

All I remember is “I’ll take a six of Lone Star or Old Milwaukee, nothin snooty” 😆

(which of course set up his testimony to be inadmissible)

Plus the amazing continuous shot in the finale.

 

[sjankis630]

I know this is not real life but I am guessing that the only two police officers to be trusted are Liz and Pete and the trooper although I am still afraid that she is a loose canon which will get someone in trouble.

When Liz and Pete were all - brush lightly brush lightly .... and one of the officers tries to come in with the hand saw and she's like "GTFO!" lol.