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3 hours ago, drivethroo said:

It was Maryland Live! ---Juan and Robyn live 15 minutes away from there.

Now we know it was a hook, Juan is too lazy to leave his backyard!

Funny they still live 15 minutes from at their new house, Juan must have set perimeters for house hunting, lol.

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18 hours ago, eXiled said:

Hell, the man is probably still licking his wounds regarding the Robyn/Juan nuptials. Mr. Darby and I BOTH swore that wedding would never happen. The Dixons made liars out of us, and I'm just beside myself. I'm still recovering. I know in my heart Michael's soul got snatched.

Not gonna lie, the only reason I wanted the Dixons to get married was because I wanted Michael to be wrong.

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8 hours ago, HelloDolly79 said:

I don't normally like seeing HW Spawn on my TV, but can I just say Dean and Dylan were the highlight of the episode. So adorable.

It stressed me out.  I was holding my breath over dislocated shoulders and busted open heads.

And don't even get me started on feet on a kitchen countertop.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, dosodog said:

It stressed me out.  I was holding my breath over dislocated shoulders and busted open heads.

And don't even get me started on feet on a kitchen countertop.

 

 

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By Ashley’s reaction it must happen all the time. She wasn’t surprised and she didn’t care at all.  She probably will though if Dean ever pulls Dylan’s shoulder out of its socket pulling him up like that.

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8 hours ago, Arynm said:

I think my favorite part of this episode was Robyn trying to convince herself that the Juan hotel story was so nuts that it just had to be true and then they show us the Ashley story that was even more ridiculous with Michael going to the hotel room and just lying down not sleeping with the lady and she took a picture of him in his underwear. But he didn't do anything with her, honest!!! They had a cut of Robyn's face of disbelief after Ashley spouted that web of lies.

Oh, Robyn, this is the same story!!  What a dumb, dumb.

It also made me sad that all 4 of those women had stories so alike. Where are they finding these men?

 

22 hours ago, SlutAssBitchAssHor said:

The nail salon re-enactment was comedy gold. Juan calling himself 'too nice' is laughable. I'd have more respect for Robyn if she just said listen idc what he does Imma stand by my man, I want the family facade I've always dreamed of. 

 

21 hours ago, Marley said:

If Robyn isn’t in an open relationship then she’s the dumbest bitch ever. Juan is such a damn liar with that story. Then he uses the textbook she was ugly I wouldn’t cheat with her. Cheater fucking playbook lol. The pathetic scene with them explaining/lying at the beginning lol.

Idk about Wendy.

Ashley and Michael are still married and he’s prob still bankrolling her because he has shady money.

Ashley complaining but has a full time nanny and doesn’t even really work? Pls.

Gizelle and Jason are so fake. She’s subjecting her kids to this fake ass storyline. Jason coming across famewhore desperate.

Mia and Gordon are such damn liars too. Do these ppl this we are stupid.

I feel like Charisse knows things about Juan and Robyn but won’t say them.

Not a fan of Robyn’s extensions.

Juan has convinced Robyn again it’s them against the world and it’s some pile on. Robyn is just ridiculous. No one is buying their shit lol.

Hopefully Charisse brings it more this season. So far not bad.

 

20 hours ago, eXiled said:

What does Gizelle's young'un do besides reality TV? If it's good for her, it's great for me. I just don't want to see her crying on my television again if things don't work out. That shit with Sherman was tragic. I believe her reunion with Jamal was just a storyline. I ain't averse to her finding real love. I'm just not sure it should be on TV. As usual, I loved seeing her lovely daughters.

Ashley and Michael are not divorcing. They've simply agreed to live separate lives so that when we see/read about him stalking a Washington Wizards point guard, or having his pockets run by a pro, or drunkenly grabbing some balls, Ashley can save face.

Hell, the man is probably still licking his wounds regarding the Robyn/Juan nuptials. Mr. Darby and I BOTH swore that wedding would never happen. The Dixons made liars out of us, and I'm just beside myself. I'm still recovering. I know in my heart Michael's soul got snatched.

I noticed Juan's defense of the hotel receipt situation was that the woman was unattractive, not that he would never cheat on Robyn.

Robyn wanted to write off Coach Brie in the same way but Juan started getting dreamy eyed and claimed that she was definitely a "beautiful woman".

Robyn's response was, "Yes, she looks like me".

CRICKETS from Juan

Juan thinks of Robyn as his landlady that he might pity fuck if he is bored.

How long before we see pictures of Juan doing "laundry" with Michael Darby?

 

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On 11/6/2023 at 1:19 AM, drivethroo said:

Maryland marriage license law states you have to get married where you took out the license. PEOPLE magazine reported they took out a license at the Howard County courthouse in August 2022; they live in Howard County.

But on TV they got married on Frank Sobotka's dock somewhere in Baltimore County (allegedly in September 2022) so unless they had the actual marriage ceremony somewhere in Howard County, the Baltimore County ceremony isn't legal (unless they got married in Howard). Karen openly wondering this makes me wonder if she and other cast members think Robyn has a Brandy style spiritual marriage (and not an actual legal one).

If there was ever a time for Monique and her binder, this would be the time.

Mia going to a 1500 sq ft rental with 3 kids is tragic.  I have more space than that.

Gizelle needs to fix her driveway. It's a hazard.

They can get married anywhere  but have to return it signed by a certain time, so that it can recorded and sent to the state. 

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The Darby kids on the counter brought out the nurse in me and I was horrified at all the potential fractures & dislocations. Yes to the John C. Riley reference, especially with the oldest.
My husband came in room and said “No! Not Potomac! This is the worst one!” I said “I didn’t know you were keeping score but Potomac is number 3 for me after Miami with Bev Hills & Salt lake neck and neck for #2, with the OC and Atlanta running last!” Husband : “ I want real money. These bit*ches are broke. At least Beverly Hills and NY have money. “ Me: “Don’t talk about New York. I’m still trying to process if I accept the new group” Husband pointing at Ashley “Is that Robyn Givens daughter?” 😂

Robin has been disrespected from Juan since 1865. This is clearly her jam & would we please stop taking away her joy? Putting those photos in the frames and the staged discussion was given 4th grade poorly acted play vibes. 

Mia in the 1500 sq foot house is exactly where she should be. Clearly her huzzbin was dipping his hand in the cookie jar to support their lifestyle and his partner/brother wasn’t having it. Mia will always remain a stripper/escort and is now scoping out her next mark/lap dance victim to front her bills and need to floss wealth that doesn’t belong to her. 
 

Giselle’s jig saw puzzle tacky house will always be janky. Girlfriend isn’t spending the money to get it right. We’ve always known she’s a weird awkward dancer, so her buzzing around the boy toy dancing was particularly cringe. Jason, when not tapping dusty booty is also a chef. She got lucky there. He also got Lindsey from Summer House preggers (she miscarried) He’s a cutie pie reality fuq boi….and Giz channeling Stella getting her groove back is a far better storyline than her back with her ex or chasing Sherman. 
 

Charisse lost some weight but continues to be deadweight. Wendy found the weight, her face was quite bloated. 
 

Candiace with the ridiculous headband has me cracking up at her insistence on being an artist. Six figures to perform at City Wineries? I’ve been to one near me in Boston, it’s a very small venue with D-Z list performers. Why doesn’t she use her two masters degrees? She suffers from mediocrity and her bored husband just has more opportunities to cheat with her on the road. (New scandal of his locked and loaded and coming down the pike!) 
 

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6 hours ago, Boofish said:

Robyn is not the dumbest woman alive but when that woman dies, it's her time to shine. 

Ashley's kids look like John C Rilley. 

Gizelle still tacky.

Candiace still looks like a bite sized snickers.

Wendy is still trying. Way too hard I might add. 

Mia is a pot of hotdog water. 

Karen is still using Betty Davis glam sqaud from Whatever Happened To Baby Jane.

That's all I got. 

You made me laugh hard with your post, I read the Mia line in my head like Forrest Gump, it is so true.

Ashley's kids have always looked like middle aged men.

Gizelle is no fun to watch, her dry humping her boy toy in front of her kids is not entertaining.  I will never understand why she thinks he is in to her, he wants to be on TV and she probably pays for everything all in the name of a chance of dick and a  storyline.

Why is Karen's glam so bad all of the time?

 

 

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I had to laugh at Mia saying she is no longer marketing director. Her job consisted of moving flyers from one side of the table to another.

Wendy looks different. 

Oof Robyn. I don't even know. At this point even if she caught Juan doing the deed right in front of her, she wouldn't believe it. 

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Robin has been with Juan since they were children.  He’s all she knows about relationships. It’s sad that she must believe the way he treats her is the norm.  I think she’s also terrified of the thought of trying life without him although she’d be so much better off.  Now she’s also the butt of Andy’s joke at Bravocon because they so desperately need the money. No wonder she seems depressed and moves around at the speed of a sloth.

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The truth of the matter is if Juan leaves, he will quickly acquire all the things he had with Robyn and perhaps more depending on where he hangs his hat. But statistically speaking, Robyn will not be able to do the same, at least not with a partner. Studies and real life has shown time and time again that black women, no matter how beautiful, smart and successful have the hardest time finding life partners of equal or greater value after a certain age. Of course there will be the I before E except after C exceptions. It's just the way it is. From personal experience, I find that older black women tend to "hang on" longer than is probably healthy.  

Looks aside, Robyn is middle aged, 2 minor children, her cornbread is not done in the middle and her personality is fresh out the dryer on the 60 minute cycle for 2 small towels - DRY AF. She is not a catch and neither is Juan. HOWEVER COMMA, Juan won't have a problem finding another roommate. Probably ever.

My friend was married for 30 years when her husband met a woman at the gym. He is now gone with nary a care in the world. And life is shoving a pineapple up her butt. She knows her chances of finding someone else are slim and it's sad but it's reality. 

Everyone should just let Robyn be Lois Lane and pretend she doesn't know her husband is Superman because Superman wears glasses. Just leave her alone. The idea of being alone and or being without Juan is just not something she is ready for. They need to back off. She probably already feel stupid so getting in her face and constantly telling her she is stupid is not going to move the train along any faster.

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23 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Funny they still live 15 minutes from at their new house, Juan must have set perimeters for house hunting, lol.

On the earlier episodes of the podcast, Robyn said the county school system was good.  They just moved to a new location in the same county the townhouse was in.  The kids go to private school now, though.

9 hours ago, zenme said:

They can get married anywhere  but have to return it signed by a certain time, so that it can recorded and sent to the state. 

State of Maryland says otherwise. You can take out a license in one county in Virginia and get married in another county in Virginia but that doesn't seem to be the case in Maryland.  For Juan & Robyn's marriage to be legal, it looks like they had to have the actual marriage ceremony in Howard County, according to that website.  It's quite possible & probable they had the marriage ceremony in their kitchen and then had the wedding in Baltimore County.

 

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13 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

 

State of Maryland says otherwise. You can take out a license in one county in Virginia and get married in another county in Virginia but that doesn't seem to be the case in Maryland.  For Juan & Robyn's marriage to be legal, it looks like they had to have the actual marriage ceremony in Howard County, according to that website.  It's quite possible & probable they had the marriage ceremony in their kitchen and then had the wedding in Baltimore County.

 

They were probably married in their kitchen so Juan could have a snack before he left to go on a date.

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I really liked the last scene with the intervention. Although Robin just was not allowing herself to accept the truths the women were speaking, it was all done in such a calm, direct manner. Gizelle got right to the point of the get together, they all let each other speak without interrupting, and kept the focus on Robin and concern for her feelings. Refreshing change from the usual screech-fests of these housewives shows. 

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On 11/7/2023 at 1:08 AM, Boofish said:

Robyn is not the dumbest woman alive but when that woman dies, it's her time to shine. 

Ashley's kids look like John C Rilley. 

Gizelle still tacky.

Candiace still looks like a bite sized snickers.

Wendy is still trying. Way too hard I might add. 

Mia is a pot of hotdog water. 

Karen is still using Betty Davis glam sqaud from Whatever Happened To Baby Jane.

That's all I got. 

Thank you @Boofish for making me laugh out loud.

There is hope for Potomac if the first episode is already generating better comments and interest than the whole season of Atlanta.

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I'm more of a Candiace fan. But I do like Robyn. Girl get some confidence,you are beautiful. She's still young now, Gizelle on the other hand. Juan must still want to sleep with Coach Bree,if he's calling her beautiful twice in one scene. Staying together is only hurting the kids in the long run. Ashley is better than me. I wouldn't hire no young nanny. Put the kids in day care. I felt bad for Charisse. 

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13 hours ago, JustbeingReal said:

I'm more of a Candiace fan. But I do like Robyn. Girl get some confidence,you are beautiful. She's still young now, Gizelle on the other hand. Juan must still want to sleep with Coach Bree,if he's calling her beautiful twice in one scene. Staying together is only hurting the kids in the long run. Ashley is better than me. I wouldn't hire no young nanny. Put the kids in day care. I felt bad for Charisse. 

Yes, Robyn is still young, and beautiful, but she is unfortunately stuck in a certain mentality. 

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27 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Yes, Robyn is still young, and beautiful, but she is unfortunately stuck in a certain mentality. 

Her mentality is doormat. There's no way that she does NOT know what Juan is doing. But she continues to sweep it under the rug as if everything is perfect between them. 

Hopefully they just had a phony commitment ceremony and they're not legally married. Because if they split now with Juan jobless, Robyn would be hosed.

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Watching this without having read your comments yet.

 

When the episode started, I didn't remember anything about the season before! I'd totally forgotten that what's her face accused Karen of bathroom sex. Also didn't remember the other GEB getting married to Juan - and the laundromat pics and hotel receipts that came after. As they would say in Wire, 'Shiiiiiiii-it'.

 

I'm super annoyed by Gizelle and super tired of Robyn. I can't believe I used to like them. Robyn was once my favorite.

 

I'd also forgotten about the thing about Chris and Gizelle! Holy crap. Chris didn't deserve any of it. I'm team Chris and Candiace. Fukk you Gizelle. And it was an innocent reply, Ashley. Get off your high horse. 

 

I don't know about you guys, but I'm loving Candiace doing her music and getting recognition. Good on her. 

 

The minute I see and hear Gizelle, I sigh! I'm so over her not being authentic. She's bringing nothing to the show. 

 

Gizelle is ride or die with Robyn. She's always defended her. So why now is she arranging this intervention on her, on camera. Unless she's come up with this plotline with Robyn. Oh I would love it if Gizelle thought of this on her own and alienated Robyn! That would be priceless.

 

Charisse felt real and vulnerable for the first time in ages. Good on her.

 

I'm sorry but what the f with Charisse's TH look?

 

Last but not least: the season where they introduced Candiace's music, I went on Spotify to listen to it. I actually like the album! I've always thought she has a great voice. Anyway, her so g Drive Back has over 1,000,000 listens on Spotify. Good on her!

 

Okay, I'm off to read your posts!

On 11/6/2023 at 3:12 AM, bosawks said:

Juan is literally seconds away from saying he tripped and his dick accidentally fell in that woman.

I'm laughing hard but it's actually really sad!

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On 11/7/2023 at 1:04 AM, Vanderboom said:

Not gonna lie, the only reason I wanted the Dixons to get married was because I wanted Michael to be wrong.

I hope Michael makes an appearance this season just to tear his non-existent hair away because Juan did him wrong by marrying Robyn. Otherwise, he can stay the f away from my screen. 

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On 11/7/2023 at 9:10 PM, Boofish said:

The truth of the matter is if Juan leaves, he will quickly acquire all the things he had with Robyn and perhaps more depending on where he hangs his hat. But statistically speaking, Robyn will not be able to do the same, at least not with a partner. Studies and real life has shown time and time again that black women, no matter how beautiful, smart and successful have the hardest time finding life partners of equal or greater value after a certain age. Of course there will be the I before E except after C exceptions. It's just the way it is. From personal experience, I find that older black women tend to "hang on" longer than is probably healthy.  

Looks aside, Robyn is middle aged, 2 minor children, her cornbread is not done in the middle and her personality is fresh out the dryer on the 60 minute cycle for 2 small towels - DRY AF. She is not a catch and neither is Juan. HOWEVER COMMA, Juan won't have a problem finding another roommate. Probably ever.

My friend was married for 30 years when her husband met a woman at the gym. He is now gone with nary a care in the world. And life is shoving a pineapple up her butt. She knows her chances of finding someone else are slim and it's sad but it's reality. 

Everyone should just let Robyn be Lois Lane and pretend she doesn't know her husband is Superman because Superman wears glasses. Just leave her alone. The idea of being alone and or being without Juan is just not something she is ready for. They need to back off. She probably already feel stupid so getting in her face and constantly telling her she is stupid is not going to move the train along any faster.

 

Your post made me think 'sad but true' and now the Metallica song is playing in my head. 

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On 11/8/2023 at 6:17 AM, JustbeingReal said:

I'm more of a Candiace fan. But I do like Robyn. Girl get some confidence,you are beautiful. She's still young now, Gizelle on the other hand. Juan must still want to sleep with Coach Bree,if he's calling her beautiful twice in one scene. Staying together is only hurting the kids in the long run. Ashley is better than me. I wouldn't hire no young nanny. Put the kids in day care. I felt bad for Charisse. 

Do you mean due to maturity? Or because having a young woman around would be problematic? Chile, I'd bet serious, life-changing money that Maria Shriver thought her middle-aged maid wouldn't even cross her movie star husband's mind as a sexual prospect. Much less cross his bed.

If Michael was still around, Ashley knows he ain't checking for Daisy like that.

22 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

Juan doesn’t have a job, so Michael Darby is probably encouraging Ashley to hire him as her manny. !!!

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6 hours ago, eXiled said:

Do you mean due to maturity? Or because having a young woman around would be problematic? Chile, I'd bet serious, life-changing money that Maria Shriver thought her middle-aged maid wouldn't even cross her movie star husband's mind as a sexual prospect. Much less cross his bed.

If Michael was still around, Ashley knows he ain't checking for Daisy like that.

I think it might start to get problematic. The nanny is around often and very close. You have to be careful who you trust. 

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Robyn is trauma bonded to Juan. I had to fast forward through their scenes, it's too uncomfortable.  She needs a lot of therapy. I though Dylan was going to get pulled off that counter and land on his head.  Jeez, mom and nanny there and no one stopped that nonsense. The TH looks are not good this year. Wow.  Also, I love Gizelle's crazy house because it's all her.  

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Robyns parents mind fucked her into the Juan relationship I've always thought. They wanted that NBA son in law bad. They gave me Priscilla Presley Parent vibes with a vengeance. Why it's lasted I have NO idea. Especially after the career collapsed and he took off to Europe with the groupie.

A lot of the "blame" for her mind set starts there but agree that she needs to snap out of it no matter the cost.

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Robyn thinks that everybody (the other HWs, the media, the social media, Bravo) stole her joy, but not Juan, the real culprit.

Gizelle finally decided with Robyn to make it into a storyline after they both refused to discuss Juan's indiscretions for years. 

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16 hours ago, Audpaud said:

Robyns parents mind fucked her into the Juan relationship I've always thought. They wanted that NBA son in law bad. They gave me Priscilla Presley Parent vibes with a vengeance. Why it's lasted I have NO idea. Especially after the career collapsed and he took off to Europe with the groupie.

No ma'am.  Juan always needed Robyn and her family.  Not the other way around.  Robyn's parents did not need a street kid from Baltimore to put them on...they were already on.

Juan has always needed Robyn and her family to open doors for him; they had the house and the doors and the windows and the rooms, not him.

Juan will probably need Robyn's family to help him get another job. Coaching is out of the question for the time being.  That's the real reason he sticks around ---he needs Robyn and her family's help. (it's why he lowkey resents her too)

Robyn knows Juan ain't going anywhere for long, he'll chase a dream or another chick but he will end up right back with her, which is why she doesn't care if he steps out.

These people are 45 years old and they're not going to change.  Robyn's parents know this and while they probably would prefer if she found a beige dude whose family belongs to the same organizations they belong to, they know Robyn isn't leaving Juan especially since the boys are underage.  So they will support their daughter and hope for the best.

Robyn's parents needing Juan to put them on? Nope lol.

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23 hours ago, Audpaud said:

Robyns parents mind fucked her into the Juan relationship I've always thought. They wanted that NBA son in law bad. They gave me Priscilla Presley Parent vibes with a vengeance. Why it's lasted I have NO idea. Especially after the career collapsed and he took off to Europe with the groupie.

A lot of the "blame" for her mind set starts there but agree that she needs to snap out of it no matter the cost.

Nah.  Robyn’s parents saved his ass.  Who knows where he would have ended up without them.  He’d probably still be the prick he is today, just an anonymous prick.  Unfortunately, their daughter fell in love with him while he was busy loving himself.  I feel confident that once Robyn is done raising his kids, he’ll be outta there.

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5 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I was under the impression from earlier seasons that Robyn's parents adored and even worshipped Juan. I agree that the parents helped foster that relationship, not simply react or adapt to it.

They looked exuberant on the footage of the wedding Bravo showed.

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On 11/9/2023 at 8:58 PM, Stats Queen said:

Juan doesn’t have a job, so Michael Darby is probably encouraging Ashley to hire him as her manny.

Ding ding ding!!!!!!

I smell a spin-off.

Watch Juan become the new "Darby's Barbie".

 

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13 hours ago, drivethroo said:

No ma'am.  Juan always needed Robyn and her family.  Not the other way around.  Robyn's parents did not need a street kid from Baltimore to put them on...they were already on.

Juan has always needed Robyn and her family to open doors for him; they had the house and the doors and the windows and the rooms, not him.

Juan will probably need Robyn's family to help him get another job. Coaching is out of the question for the time being.  That's the real reason he sticks around ---he needs Robyn and her family's help. (it's why he lowkey resents her too)

Robyn knows Juan ain't going anywhere for long, he'll chase a dream or another chick but he will end up right back with her, which is why she doesn't care if he steps out.

These people are 45 years old and they're not going to change.  Robyn's parents know this and while they probably would prefer if she found a beige dude whose family belongs to the same organizations they belong to, they know Robyn isn't leaving Juan especially since the boys are underage.  So they will support their daughter and hope for the best.

Robyn's parents needing Juan to put them on? Nope lol.

Really? They didn't need him but moved him into their home with their teen age daughter?

 

Sure Jan

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52 minutes ago, Audpaud said:

Really? They didn't need him but moved him into their home with their teen age daughter?

The answer is in your question: "moved him into THEIR home." 

I think Robyn's parents have always seen Juan as a woe is me, down on his luck charity case*. He had the potential to make a lot of money in the NBA so sure, go for it. But they didn't need him to get on and they weren't plotting a love match between the two for benefits or clout.  They had the benefits and clout.

(They probably feel the same about Juan the way Candiace's mother feels about Chris)

If they were digging for gold they would've told Robyn after Juan lost all his money and got put out of professional basketball for injuries and substances to charge Juan to the game and find somebody else.  You know Lori Harvey, Kris Jenner and Kate of England's mother would've told them to drop that zero and get with a hero.  Instead they were smiling on the docks of Baltimore watching their daughter tie the knot with an unemployed* cheater ... again.

*The Mall in Columbia is hiring...Arundel Mills is hiring...Maryland Live is hiring...I'm just saying.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Audpaud said:

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Audpaud said:

Really? They didn't need him but moved him into their home with their teen age daughter?

 

Sure Jan

I guess it was their own rendition of The Blind Side?

My take on it was Robyn's parents saw a kid that needed a family structure and support, the fact that there could be a romance was a bonus, I don't think Robyn or her parents knew Juan would go on to the NBA and they probably had no idea that his career as a cheater would last longer than his basketball career.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Cut to current times...it is all on Robyn for putting up with Juan and his Juandering dick.  We teach people how to treat us, Juan knows he can have sex with the Canadian girl on the dining room table during dinner and Robyn will ask him to pass the salt.

 

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On 11/6/2023 at 10:26 AM, Arynm said:

I think my favorite part of this episode was Robyn trying to convince herself that the Juan hotel story was so nuts that it just had to be true and then they show us the Ashley story that was even more ridiculous with Michael going to the hotel room and just lying down not sleeping with the lady and she took a picture of him in his underwear. But he didn't do anything with her, honest!!! They had a cut of Robyn's face of disbelief after Ashley spouted that web of lies.

Oh, Robyn, this is the same story!!  What a dumb, dumb.

Yep the Michael story was so ridiculous that Ashley looked like a fool even telling it. 

I was frustrated watching Juan lie to Robyn and Robyn yet again pretend everything is fine. I want to shake her. 

On 11/14/2023 at 5:35 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

We teach people how to treat us, Juan knows he can have sex with the Canadian girl on the dining room table during dinner and Robyn will ask him to pass the salt.

Bravo!

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