S10.E16: The Reunion, Part I

[Carolina Girl]

4 hours ago, ZettaK said:

It's typical of cheaters to be angry at the person they cheated on. 

The attitude being "LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!"

[Carolina Girl]

1 hour ago, mytmo said:

The one side of the "couch" was getting very lippy with LVP.  Ariana did try to walk it back though.  Yes none of them work at a LVP lounge anymore but the show still says Vanderpump Rules.  Once the smoke clears here on Scandoval is there enough interest for a whole season?  Can Scandoval carry the entire next season alone?  Maybe because I've been watching since day 1 I really have no interest in any of them.  I am here for the snark however.

I'm starting to wonder if at the time the reunion was filmed if they all thought this was the last season of Vanderpump Rules.  I am reminded of Lisa's "speech" at the end of the season that seemed to wish them well on their independent endeavors.  If that was the case, they probably would have had no problem basically sniping at Lisa.  I think only Scheana actually still might work for her and maybe Lala but either one of them could find similar jobs at other restaurants if they wanted (in Cali, eating establishments are BEGGING for workers)  

[Jennifersdc]

I love how Sandoval tried to pitch the “we don’t put our relationship out there like we should - we have issues” by a Sept 2022 conversation with the show runner. If it was Sept 2021 - maybe. But his gaslighting campaign was in full go mode by Sept 2022.

He’s a real POS.

[blixie]

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Can Scandoval carry the entire next season alone?

I would build around Ally and James and maybe Charli they tried a soft reboot a few years ago that was ruined by casting that dipshit Max and doing the racisms and deciding to promote Rachel. The problem with keeping the show fresh and interesting is you are delimited by the pool of talent having to at least superficially be plucked from one of Lisa's businesses, but I think Rachel, is the only one of the main cast pretending to work for one of them now, so IDK. 

[heatherchandler]

11 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Bravo is setting this all up to get rid of Schwartz, Sandy, Rachel leave the rest with more girl power time probably more Ariana, Katie, the sandwich shop, James and Allie, Brock & Shenea, LaLa and bring back a few of the OG’s.

That sounds incredibly boring.

I don’t think bravo is getting rid of them, they are the only people to bring in ratings. Katie doesn’t bring ratings.

[Gharlane]

3 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

I don't care what this says about me, but I hoped for collective booing and was not disappointed! I loved it. What I do not love is Lala's gross tongue flopping in, out, and around her apparently dried-up mouth.

Why does LaLa look worse (and cheap) whenever she "glams up"?🤔

2 hours ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Am I the only one who thinks Lisa Vanderbucks at some point slept with either/or/both Sandoval and "Schwartzie"? 

If she were with Schwartz, it involved him wearing diapers and sucking on a ba y bottle.

2 hours ago, chlban said:

I don't really get this. Ariana was asked about that-can't remember where, maybe WWHL?  Anyway, she said she knew, but it happened before they were exclusive. So, why not just say that at the time? It's like everyone's default position is to lie.

I don't know about earlier, but Arianna said she covered for the Miami Girl incident in the pre-reunion interview. 

[MaggieG]

50 minutes ago, blixie said:

I would build around Ally and James and maybe Charli they tried a soft reboot a few years ago that was ruined by casting that dipshit Max and doing the racisms and deciding to promote Rachel. The problem with keeping the show fresh and interesting is you are delimited by the pool of talent having to at least superficially be plucked from one of Lisa's businesses, but I think Rachel, is the only one of the main cast pretending to work for one of them now, so IDK. 

I actually liked Dayna was hoping she would stick around.

I think Charli might also still work at SUR. 

[itsadryheat]

13 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I can't figure out which Tom disgusts me more

Karma did us a solid—same name, same degree of loathing. 

Different personalities, deliveries and schtick—absolutely the same disrespect and arrogance.

They 100% believe they are their pr.

I see unfortunate futures for these two  . . . and their vacant side chick.

 

[FozzyBear]

2 hours ago, chlban said:

I don't really get this. Ariana was asked about that-can't remember where, maybe WWHL?  Anyway, she said she knew, but it happened before they were exclusive. So, why not just say that at the time? It's like everyone's default position is to lie.

I don’t actually believe her here. I think she knew and I think they were exclusive. Maybe newly so, but I think this was straight up cheating that Arianna covered up because she didn’t want to admit that Sandoval couldn’t go 5 minutes without cheating on her, and that he’s obviously a liar, and that Kristin has problems but she wasn’t wrong and she wasn’t being paranoid. I think Arianna just had too much invested in the narrative that Tom came up with to justify their affair and was afraid of looking like a fool in TV, so she lied. Because otherwise it makes no sense to lie. Why not just admit they weren’t exclusive? It would have killed Kristina drama and had the added benefit of padding the timeline between Tom and Kristin breaking up and Tom and Arianna getting together. She lied then and she’s lying now.

[TattleTeeny]

Is this extra-footage thing on Peacock worth my time, or is it like 2 minutes something I don't care about?

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I don't really get this. Ariana was asked about that-can't remember where, maybe WWHL?  Anyway, she said she knew, but it happened before they were exclusive. So, why not just say that at the time? It's like everyone's default position is to lie.

I always thought that if Ariana had really wanted to stick it to Kristen back then, she should have told Kristen that although she and Tom hadn't been exclusive during this Miami incident,  it was this incident -- which Kristen brought to light -- that prompted them to become exclusive. 

I forgot -- my favorite part was Andy's "My cards!"

Edited May 25, 2023 by TattleTeeny

[BloggerAloud]

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Lisa and Ken are listed as two of the executive producers of VR, so she may have some say as to who goes and who doesn't.  I'm not saying that Lala won't be back (she probably will), but merely saying that Lala shouldn't necessarily bite the hand that "feeds" her (and Ocean, and probably Lala's mother, too).  

I don't know, Bravo had no problem getting rid of Mariah from Married to Medicine and she had far more of a hand creating that show than LVP. And this point the central premise has basically evaporated.

[b2H]

16 hours ago, PositiveBean said:

Except this isn’t about the cheating. This is about the gaslighting, trying to set up your partner of ten years to look like a mentally unstable bitch, fucking said partner’s friend under her nose, fucking the partner of one of the only friends you had and took you in, more gaslighting, both behaving like smug self-righteous bitches the entire time, etc.

Ariana and Lala may have hooked up with taken men, but they were never friends with these women nor giving them fucking relationship advice on top of it. Just WTF, that’s some sick shit. There’s a huge difference. Cheating is shitty. What Sandoval and Raquel did was disgusting and disturbing on top of shitty. They deserve to get lit up right now.

And that was what was said when Andy tried the 'no one's hands are clean here, except for Katie and LVP'.  Every one of them countered with yes, but we didn't do it with our partner's best friend.  That shut Andy down real quick.

[lili45]

4 hours ago, mytmo said:

The one side of the "couch" was getting very lippy with LVP.  Ariana did try to walk it back though.  Yes none of them work at a LVP lounge anymore but the show still says Vanderpump Rules.  Once the smoke clears here on Scandoval is there enough interest for a whole season?  Can Scandoval carry the entire next season alone?  Maybe because I've been watching since day 1 I really have no interest in any of them.  I am here for the snark however.

Hear hear! Absolutely no interest in any of these, post Scandoval. Zero. 
Scheana is virtually oddly unrecognizable from earlier seasons. Don’t care. Rachel makes my stomach turn, I WILL NOT watch her.

 

[b2H]

15 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I don't understand her hatred for Jo. She filed for divorce, and she was already having sex with other guys. 

Let me add that she obviously thinks Schwartz downgraded, that's why she is angry.

I'm not so sure Jo wasn't known to her and the group before the divorce.  We haven't seen anything of Jo, so this is kind of a black hole.  My guess is, should that relationship continue, we might find out for ourselves.

[Jennifersdc]

14 hours ago, ZettaK said:

They didn't make any profit if they took their investment back. It seems all Vanderpump restaurants/bars, and now the S&S Lounge depend mainly on the Vanderpump Rules fan crowd (to have as customers).

I think what she said was that she put $5M into TomTom so giving them 5% for $100K was a deal.

[Jennifersdc]

12 minutes ago, b2H said:

I'm not so sure Jo wasn't known to her and the group before the divorce.  We haven't seen anything of Jo, so this is kind of a black hole.  My guess is, should that relationship continue, we might find out for ourselves.

I really don’t think Katie gives a shit who Schwartz sleeps with. The only request she had was that he not hook up with anybody they film with (create drama) to remain friends. He obviously couldn’t even do that.

I think her point about Jo was that she was Doute’s best friend at the time and blocked her the moment she moved in with Schwartz. That is creepy.

[Vivigirl10]

3 hours ago, Chalby said:

Even Ariana's smugness was in such poor taste.

I wish someone would have advised Ariana to remain more calm, cool and collected.  That's the best revenge.  Not showing any anger or bitterness.

I didn't really find the James sideline show entertaining.  Way too much interrupting. 

It's known that Jo has been a part of the friend group since the early days.  She's described as Kristen's best friend (I think former?) who just lounges around in the gutter.  Low-life.  Cray-cray.  I don't think any of them were ever friends with her other than Kristen dragging her around. 

Lisa needs a major fashion overhaul stat.  Her hair and wardrobe, her entire "look", are just soooooo tired.  Mothballs.  She could Momma Bear the group when they were all in their twenties, but now that they're all old themselves, she's just interjecting like an out of touch Grandma.

I know she's not a favorite, but I feel for Katie.  To have someone defend and put absolutely everyone else over you must be a terrible, terrible feeling.  Schwartz is an idiot.  

Sandoval's not dipping out of this show come hell or high water and I think he will definitely be asked back.  Either for some redemption arc or to play the villain.  It doesn't matter to him as long as the attention continues.  Rachel is really the only one I'm not sure about.   

[choclatechip45]

I thought Lisa came off defending the two Tom's way too much. 

I think the reason why Katie was pissed at Jo is that she texted right after the divorce was announced she loved Katie and respected her. 

[Jennifersdc]

So Sandoval claims that he and Raquel hooked up once then didn’t “do anything” (don’t believe that for a second) until the Life is Beautiful festival. I looked up the date. It was the second week in September. A whole two weeks!

Congratufuckinglations! What restraint!

[Lady of nod]

6 hours ago, mytmo said:

The one side of the "couch" was getting very lippy with LVP.  Ariana did try to walk it back though.  Yes none of them work at a LVP lounge anymore but the show still says Vanderpump Rules.  Once the smoke clears here on Scandoval is there enough interest for a whole season?  Can Scandoval carry the entire next season alone?  Maybe because I've been watching since day 1 I really have no interest in any of them.  I am here for the snark however.

 Most of them don’t work anywhere! So  if they want their  Bravo paycheck they better show a little respect to LVP and lighten up because no one wants to watch a full season of the same storyline. But wait, there is no other storyline. A sandwich shop isn’t going to carry a season. Time to shake up the cast or say bye.

[chlban]

9 minutes ago, Lady of nod said:

 Most of them don’t work anywhere! So  if they want their  Bravo paycheck they better show a little respect to LVP and lighten up because no one wants to watch a full season of the same storyline. But wait, there is no other storyline. A sandwich shop isn’t going to carry a season. Time to shake up the cast or say bye.

I don't know, New Jersey has had the same storyline for years and apparently some people still watch-I just participate in the forums, but it seems Tre and her sister in law are still battling.

[RoseAllDay]

18 hours ago, snarts said:

As an LVP fan it pains me to say this but she really needs to STFU and stop coddling & defending the Toms. It's coming across as sexist when compared to her utter disdain for many of the women whose actions have been far less egregious/hurtful. 

This. She is always so quick to pat the women on their heads and tell them to calm down (which, I might add, only goes to invalidate perfectly honestly held and understandable reactions and opinions), while seeming to excuse everything the Toms do. Lisa, just be fair and extend the same consideration to James the next time he fucks up. Your favoritism is not a good look.

She didn’t need to get involved in any discussion about the affair last night, AFAIC.

 

 

[RoseAllDay]

6 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

I'm starting to wonder if at the time the reunion was filmed if they all thought this was the last season of Vanderpump Rules.  I am reminded of Lisa's "speech" at the end of the season that seemed to wish them well on their independent endeavors.  If that was the case, they probably would have had no problem basically sniping at Lisa.  I think only Scheana actually still might work for her and maybe Lala but either one of them could find similar jobs at other restaurants if they wanted (in Cali, eating establishments are BEGGING for workers)  

It’s time. The premise of the show — struggling 20-somethings working at a restaurant in LA — became laughable years ago. The restaurant is nothing more than a backdrop at this point, and most espisodes don’t even show it much anymore.

Bravo and Andy need to learn when to call it a day with some of these franchises.

Edited May 25, 2023 by RoseAllDay

[realityplease]

Please DO NOT bring this show back.  It's beyond tired.  In theory, Tom & Raquel's affair was interesting & interesting to talk about here.  But actually watching it play out on TV - with middle-aged twits & grandma Lisa weighing in on it or acting shocked by it - kinda boring.  And before it - the road trip to Vegas & Dullsville, Katie & Schwartz' divorce antics - pure punishment. Nowhere to go with this. They are all much too old to be acting like such idiots. 

James - gleefully screeching like a child - too smug, too loud, too mean. (Ally's young but if he ever misdirects his anger at her - & he will - she's gone.)

Katie - trying to control Schwartz (even after divorce) because he places her last on his list. Wants his attention even if she has to be annoying to get it. The torch she's carrying is burning all the candles in the room. Move on Katie, move on.  You got it - he doesn't like you - he's never moving you up the list.  Also, your venture's cutsey (& labor intensive - tie every sandwich with twine?) Hopefully you & Ariana can eke a living out of it once VPR is done. But get off my screen.

Schwartz  - passive/aggressively placed Katie last on his list because he has no clue how to be a participating partner to anyone - & she IS annoying & now, an Ex.  With Sandoval, however, he'll forgive anything even if he sinks financially, professionally & every which way by attaching himself to that loser.

Sandoval - perpetual man/child who wants the thrill but not the responsibility of a real relationship so he finds a Raquel to act thrilled over him.  But even she seems to be over him.

Raquel - looking for validation from any guy she meets.  Acting on every impulse good or bad - no matter who she hurts in the process.  Including herself.

LaLa:  Let herself be bought by a phony, loser, player.  But now she's the expert on other's relationships.  And wants another baby? Now? Koo-koo.

Sheana:  Seems happy now.  For someone the others loved to hate or scorn - she's become the OG and settled with her lot.  Good for her.  But hey, watch that anger - whether a punch, scratch or push.

Ariana:  She can bask in the public's love now.  But they'll move on.  I seem to recall her acting above the others when first on the show - though now she's the  bestest supportive friend.  Sad victim with touches of bitterness. Not a good look.  She was kind of complacent about her relationship with Sandoval - there's some truth to his complaints - though how he handled the situation was deplorable.

Lisa:  All calculated business decisions.  She doesn't love these people - she tolerates them - so long as they draw business to her over-rated tourist-trap restaurants. That's why she still sucks up to the Toms. How much of a draw can goat cheese balls & Pumptinis be after so many years?

There's nothing more I need to hear or see of these folks. So i guess, after the reunion, I'm done-zo. 

[tvfanatic13]

I hate Sandoval so fucking much. My ex cheated on me and then made up reasons JUST LIKE TOM. Fuck you Tom. 

[Carolina Girl]

41 minutes ago, RoseAllDay said:

The restaurant is nothing more than a backdrop at this point, and most espisodes don’t even show it much anymore.

The only time it's in the episodes now is if people are going there to drink after an event (like the sandwich shop preview).  And really?  SUR does not strike me as a "happening" place.  PUMP looks like it would be more "with it" and it's right up the street.

These people are either almost 40 or teetering close to it (although I think Lala and James are in their early 30's).  There is nothing entertaining about them.

The only reason I think Jersey Ho'wives survives is because Andy's head is so far up that felon moron Teresa's ass he can't extricate it long enough to hit the "Cancel" button.  

[KungFuBunny]

12 hours ago, CallmeCray said:

Both of those clowns named Tom cheated constantly, there is zero doubt in my mind.   Why even be in relationships at all?

KFB says it's all about the Benjamins

Sandoval: His need is first the public image. He wants to be seen as the "nice guy" "the really good friend" "in a relationship that is the most happy and stable" "the most romantic guy of the bunch" He's very much like serial killers BTK and John Wayne Gacy - in that their public image is a married man with kids and a deacon of the church while they both torture and kill in the shadows. Sandoval gets a kick out of getting away with creeping around and fucking over people without their knowledge.

On VPR, after he broke up with Kristen, he could have just been a serial dater on the show. People would have cheered him on. If you think back, he didn't break up with Kristen when they found out she had sex with Jax. The main reason was for MONEY. He needed her to pay rent, pay for groceries, pay for gas, pay the cable bills, electricity bills. This way he had more disposable income to spend on the person most important to him - HIMSELF

This is also why he so quickly moved in with Ariana - the more she puts in money wise - the more he has to spend on himself. I really think he gets a kick out of being a dick without the knowledge of the current girlfriend or the viewers of the show.

I also don't believe he really wanted to get married or have kids. Ariana made it clear from the jump she wanted neither. He planted the seed early that he did want those things as part of his exit strategy. Watch him say I started becoming unhappy because I really wanted marriage and kids and I knew Ariana wouldn't give me those things. No way does he want the expense of children. Do you see him cutting down on manicures and hair product because he's gotta buy diapers, formula, or clothes for a baby?

Schwartz: He didn't even hide it. When they were first on the show - he had no job. He had a few "mactor" jobs here and there but no steady income. The bulk of the household expenses were paid out of Katie's hours as a waitress at SUR. This is the reason he married her. She oversaw everything. This the the reason why he's so pissed she filed for divorce. Now he has no one to take care of those things for him. Now it's his salary alone that has to take care of his brothers and mother. How dare she leave him when he sucked back the bile to have sex with her every 2 months - she owes him.

Remember 3 Men and a Baby

Remake for VPR: 2 Dicks and a Demon

 

[Carolina Girl]

34 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I also don't believe he really wanted to get married or have kids.

But didn't that slug get a lot of mileage playing the unselfish good guy who just wanted a happy home life but respected the wishes of his girlfriend to remain unmarried and childless?  

[blixie]

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When  I see Jax, the biggest scum bag of all time, speaking on the subject as though he’s the Dalai Lama, I want to hurl. 

Listen Jax is trash. But it's kind of the whole point here is that for YEARS Sandoval has moralized to the entire group, almost non stop. He put himself above the fray and I think more or less the audience bought it (not least of which because Ariana defended him). Jax, Kristen, James, and Lala are serving just deserts to someone who moralized about the very thing he's now done in ways none of them even dared to try.  I think James is weirdly legitimately hurt, he feels betrayed by Tom hooking up with his ex. I think they could of calmed the fuck down, but Lala and James and even Jax and Kristen never moralized about fidelity the way Sandoval always has in fact they have relished being amoral a holes. That's not hypocrisy, Sandoval is hypocrisy. I have to say when Jax was caught cheating he never denied it was shitty thing to do or that somehow it was justified. He never tried to excuse his cheating on Stassi or blame it on her failing him in the relationship.

[ZettaK]

10 hours ago, chlban said:

 Most of the cast is emotionally immature. Rachel is clearly a Narcissist and quite possibly a Sociopath. Neither are capable of empathy. That is 100% what I see. She had no concerns about tweaking Katie with her fake pursuit of Schwartz. No empathy to Katie's mom and, really, she has shown none to James. Of course what she did to Ariana is just beyond. I am surprised she wasn't advised to look teary eyed or at least  not to look smug and satisfied. The audience shows more emotion than she did.

She was smug until the reunion (she filed a restraining order against Scheana, she called TMZ hours before the reunion to give an interview in front of a strip mall shop). She received better advice after that. She entered a mental health facility (or at least her people claimed so), and disappeared.

8 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

I'm starting to wonder if at the time the reunion was filmed if they all thought this was the last season of Vanderpump Rules.  I am reminded of Lisa's "speech" at the end of the season that seemed to wish them well on their independent endeavors.  If that was the case, they probably would have had no problem basically sniping at Lisa.  I think only Scheana actually still might work for her and maybe Lala but either one of them could find similar jobs at other restaurants if they wanted (in Cali, eating establishments are BEGGING for workers)  

Lala doesn't work for Lisa. Scheana supposedly works a little bit. And yes, they thought VR would end, that's why they were rude, but surprise, surprise it was renewed. Bravo announced it on May 9th.

[ZettaK]

26 minutes ago, blixie said:

Listen Jax is trash. But it's kind of the whole point here is that for YEARS Sandoval has moralized to the entire group, almost non stop. He put himself above the fray and I think more or less the audience bought it (not least of which because Ariana defended him). Jax, Kristen, James, and Lala are serving just deserts to someone who moralized about the very thing he's now done in ways none of them even dared to try.  I think James is weirdly legitimately hurt, he feels betrayed by Tom hooking up with his ex. I think they could of calmed the fuck down, but Lala and James and even Jax and Kristen never moralized about fidelity the way Sandoval always has in fact they have relished being amoral a holes. That's not hypocrisy, Sandoval is hypocrisy. I have to say when Jax was caught cheating he never denied it was shitty thing to do or that somehow it was justified. He never tried to excuse his cheating on Stassi or blame it on her failing him in the relationship.

The cast (and Jax) called Sandoval out on his moralizing and hypocrisy. He cheated more than once on Ariana, but they kept a united front to appear "perfect". Maybe it had to do with their brand, especially in later years when they became more successful. 

[Steph J]

10 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

All the players on the show are all about loyalty, girl code having each other‘s back, etc. Yet Schwartz is taking all this heat for having Sandavol‘s back. This is just one more example of the hypocrisy of all these idiots. I personally would not rat out my best friend for cheating. just my opinion.

No, they're mad at Schwartz because:

1. As always, he wants to play both sides and have everyone be his friend and no one be mad at him. He can't say he's Arianna's friend and show her zero loyalty and respect.

2. Schwartz is not an innocent bystander in all this; he was an active participant in this scumbaggery by:

• Facilitating the affair by giving Sandoval and Rachel a place to hook up;
• Spending the season helping Sandoval try to construct his CYA narrative that would make Arianna look like the bad guy in the break up;
• Mocking Arianna to her face about what was going on behind her back.

He had Sandoval's back, which is what he's always claimed he would do when it comes to cheating. No one should be surprised by that. But he shouldn't be surprised when people get mad at him and don't want to be friends with him once they know what he's been up to.

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, realityplease said:

Please DO NOT bring this show back.  It's beyond tired.  In theory, Tom & Raquel's affair was interesting & interesting to talk about here.  But actually watching it play out on TV - with middle-aged twits & grandma Lisa weighing in on it or acting shocked by it - kinda boring.  And before it - the road trip to Vegas & Dullsville, Katie & Schwartz' divorce antics - pure punishment. Nowhere to go with this. They are all much too old to be acting like such idiots. 

James - gleefully screeching like a child - too smug, too loud, too mean. (Ally's young but if he ever misdirects his anger at her - & he will - she's gone.)

Katie - trying to control Schwartz (even after divorce) because he places her last on his list. Wants his attention even if she has to be annoying to get it. The torch she's carrying is burning all the candles in the room. Move on Katie, move on.  You got it - he doesn't like you - he's never moving you up the list.  Also, your venture's cutsey (& labor intensive - tie every sandwich with twine?) Hopefully you & Ariana can eke a living out of it once VPR is done. But get off my screen.

Schwartz  - passive/aggressively placed Katie last on his list because he has no clue how to be a participating partner to anyone - & she IS annoying & now, an Ex.  With Sandoval, however, he'll forgive anything even if he sinks financially, professionally & every which way by attaching himself to that loser.

Sandoval - perpetual man/child who wants the thrill but not the responsibility of a real relationship so he finds a Raquel to act thrilled over him.  But even she seems to be over him.

Raquel - looking for validation from any guy she meets.  Acting on every impulse good or bad - no matter who she hurts in the process.  Including herself.

LaLa:  Let herself be bought by a phony, loser, player.  But now she's the expert on other's relationships.  And wants another baby? Now? Koo-koo.

Sheana:  Seems happy now.  For someone the others loved to hate or scorn - she's become the OG and settled with her lot.  Good for her.  But hey, watch that anger - whether a punch, scratch or push.

Ariana:  She can bask in the public's love now.  But they'll move on.  I seem to recall her acting above the others when first on the show - though now she's the  bestest supportive friend.  Sad victim with touches of bitterness. Not a good look.  She was kind of complacent about her relationship with Sandoval - there's some truth to his complaints - though how he handled the situation was deplorable.

Lisa:  All calculated business decisions.  She doesn't love these people - she tolerates them - so long as they draw business to her over-rated tourist-trap restaurants. That's why she still sucks up to the Toms. How much of a draw can goat cheese balls & Pumptinis be after so many years?

There's nothing more I need to hear or see of these folks. So i guess, after the reunion, I'm done-zo. 

Unfortunately, the show was renewed on May 9th.

All of the cast is immature and this will probably never change. 

Ariana and Katie's sandwiches didn't look too appetizing, or interesting. I hope they fine tune them before the shop opens.

Lisa's restaurants (and now the S&S Lounge) depend on the VR (and the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills) fan crowds for business. Even people from outside the U.S. It was reported many times by those who went there. Villa Blanca closed in 2020, Pump will close in July. Lisa can still advertise the remaining ones and her new ones in Vegas (she did this season) on the show, so she theoretically still needs the VR cast.

Edited May 26, 2023 by ZettaK

[Adgirl]

23 hours ago, Gharlane said:

LaLa "The Mistress" Kent is the worst of them

She didn't befriend Randall's wife and then sleep with him.  Tom slept with a woman who was friends with his partner and then tried to gaslight her into believing it was her own fault. What the fuck is it about this show that people lose all sense of right and wrong? Calling the cops on a Black woman is racism and sleeping with your partner's friend is wrong.

Lisa Vanderpump getting checked by Lala was beautiful.

[KungFuBunny]

Raquel suffers from CPBS (Camilla Parker Bowles Syndrome)

Camilla throughout her marriage had an affair with Charles. Camilla friended Diana and gave relationship advice and steered Diana to marry Charles. She continued her affair with Charles and they were both married to other people. Many people were affected negatively when the affair was made public. It was spun in the press as True Love by the Royals machine. Look at her now – she’s the fucking Queen.

This is how Raquel self identifies. She sees Tom as the King of the show. It didn’t matter that James was on the show and she was with him, James is low on the totem pole of VPR – like Camilla was with her husband Andrew who was an Earl, nobility is too lowly for her she wants royalty. Raquel friended Ariana – but I don’t think she did to really be Ariana’s friend but to be always near the inner circle and to be physically close to Tom. Raquel friended Scheana – but just as she did to Ariana it really wasn’t to be a friend to Scheana. Scheana was of use to her – Scheana brought her into the inner circle of show OG’s. From an interview Scheana revealed Raquel stayed with her for months when Raquel and James split and couldn’t afford an apartment but still needed to film.

In Raquel’s head, now that it’s out she can be with Tom on the show and they will be the Stars of VPR as a power couple. Anyone else who got hurt – so what they never mattered to her.

It will not surprise me if it comes out that Tom fucked Raquel when she was a groupie to the show. It will not surprise me if comes out that Tom told Raquel to dress up and show up where DJ Muppet Baby was playing to catch his eye. I can see Tom doing this to stick it to James whom he is angry at for the Kristen/James hookup. Tom’s not angry because he was in love with Kristen, he’s angry that James screwed Kristen using Tom’s condoms – you are not allowed to embarrass Tom to the public. It will not surprise me if comes out that Tom and Raquel continued to have sex while she and James were together and engaged.

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

I think what she said was that she put $5M into TomTom so giving them 5% for $100K was a deal.

On yesterday's reunion Lisa said they took out the $100,000 just before they opened S&S after all because they needed the money, so I assume they have no investment in TomTom anymore.

Edited May 26, 2023 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

11 hours ago, Chalby said:

Last note, Is Andy really short? Everyone appeared to tower over him.

He is reportedly 5'9", but he seems shorter to me. I read that James is 5'9", and he appeared a lot taller compared to him. Sandoval is 5'11".

Edited May 26, 2023 by ZettaK

[TheCouchPotato]

1 hour ago, blixie said:

Listen Jax is trash. But it's kind of the whole point here is that for YEARS Sandoval has moralized to the entire group, almost non stop. He put himself above the fray and I think more or less the audience bought it (not least of which because Ariana defended him). Jax, Kristen, James, and Lala are serving just desserts to someone who moralized about the very thing he's now done in ways none of them even dared to try.  I think James is weirdly legitimately hurt, he feels betrayed by Tom hooking up with his ex. I think they could have calmed the fuck down, but Lala and James and even Jax and Kristen never moralized about fidelity the way Sandoval always has in fact they have relished being amoral a holes. That's not hypocrisy, Sandoval is hypocrisy. I have to say when Jax was caught cheating he never denied it was shitty thing to do or that somehow it was justified. He never tried to excuse his cheating on Stassi or blame it on her failing him in the relationship.

Actually when Jax cheated on Beer Cheese (can’t remember her name), he vehemently denied it just as Tom did with Miami girl. These three, Schwartz, Sandoval and Jax constantly covered for one another and were constantly in denial about their affairs. End of the day, they all suck.  I get that Ariana’s been through a lot but perhaps he would not have been able to moralize himself if she didn’t constantly defend him. She made sure to discredit Miami girl and anyone else, all the while covering for a guy that has a history of cheating. She met Tom while he was still with a Kristin - that should have been a red flag right there.  

On a different note, the below is pretty great. 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by TheCouchPotato

[chlban]

2 hours ago, blixie said:

Listen Jax is trash. But it's kind of the whole point here is that for YEARS Sandoval has moralized to the entire group, almost non stop. He put himself above the fray and I think more or less the audience bought it (not least of which because Ariana defended him). Jax, Kristen, James, and Lala are serving just deserts to someone who moralized about the very thing he's now done in ways none of them even dared to try.  I think James is weirdly legitimately hurt, he feels betrayed by Tom hooking up with his ex. I think they could of calmed the fuck down, but Lala and James and even Jax and Kristen never moralized about fidelity the way Sandoval always has in fact they have relished being amoral a holes. That's not hypocrisy, Sandoval is hypocrisy. I have to say when Jax was caught cheating he never denied it was shitty thing to do or that somehow it was justified. He never tried to excuse his cheating on Stassi or blame it on her failing him in the relationship.

This. It's like when some total Homophobic politician gets caught with his pants down, literally, with another man. I could not care less about a politicians sexual preferences, assuming it involves other consenting adults, but I love watching the hypocritical Homophobes squirm when they get caught. It's the Hypocrisy. 

[princelina]

13 hours ago, blixie said:

She was talking about Jo. Who isn't on the show.

No, when Katie talks about Schwartz messing in their friend group she is talking about his thing with Raquel.

4 hours ago, realityplease said:

James - gleefully screeching like a child - too smug, too loud, too mean. (Ally's young but if he ever misdirects his anger at her - & he will - she's gone.)

She's gone as soon as this show ends.  I still have my doubts that she's even really his girlfriend.

[CallmeCray]

14 hours ago, JenE4 said:

I wouldn’t necessarily say he was feigning them being in a bad place. Ariana started her interview with Andy saying that they didn’t hide anything and they’ve shown everything on the show. Then she proceeded to say multiple times how Tom would coach her on what to say and always get their stories straight so they would look good on camera. She said this in the context of Tom coaching and getting his stories straight w/ Rachel and Schwartz, and also admitted they lied about Miami Girl because she wanted to bolster their fledgling relationship. She also agreed that they had lots of fights/conversations off camera about their relationship—including that he said that he wanted to break up—but said the fact that he didn’t leave is what made them not broken up, so not to try to turn it around that she “wouldn’t let him break up with her.” Anyway, not “defending the cheater” here, but I do believe they both participated in making their relationship and each other “look better on camera” and hid problems that they’ve had for years. And now suddenly he’s like, damn, how do I leave when we created this front of being the perfect couple? He certainly decided that he needed to let the viewers see they’ve been having problems, but I don’t think he was faking the problems. Ariana agreed with him about basically living separate lives and having no emotional or physical intimacy. She (correctly) said it didn’t justify him cheating, but she never disagreed with that assessment.

Oh, I don’t disagree with you about the relationship having its issues.  What I believe he was feigning at that time was feeling guilty about not being more honest about it on the show and perpetuating a false narrative.  Convenient time to “come clean”, in other words.

Interesting selective conscience there, Tommy Boy.  

[Chalby]

On 5/24/2023 at 6:19 PM, ZettaK said:

Sandoval started having feelings for Raquel in the beginning of last year, and they had sex after they went to The Abbey (that night). Then they took a break. They continued just after season filming ended (which was about mid to end of September).

I don't believe for a moment they took a break. If their first encounter was in her car, methinks they can't keep their hands off each other long enough to "take a break" or find a bed...

[Big girl panties]

Honestly, why is James making this so much about himself? Sorry, he has shown all season his emotional intelligence is under developed and he’s immature to boot. This is all about him  and only about how his presence on air looks. Also, Sandoval is a tool, Ariana deserves much better. But this reunion was only meant to beat up on Raquel and Sandoval. I’m not sure why we are actually watching this. Oh and Lala, you are a little bit vicious.

[Caseysgirl]

Ok! Enough.  Both Tom’s are shitty partners ( business & personal].  But Ariana is not a 60 year old woman who is being left after 30 years of marriage after the kids have left.  She’s a young, beautiful, intelligent reality star who is now inextricably being invited to the White House correspondents dinner & other places where most reality stars don’t get to go. She has had our attention for about 3 months but honestly, get OVER it, lady. He & Rachel have done you a tremendous favor. You’ll probably be on Dancing With the Stars & The Masked Singer. You’ve gotten more sympathy and publicity than any victim of a natural disaster will ever get.  May we all move on with our lives now?

[Chalby]

1 hour ago, TheCouchPotato said:

Actually when Jax cheated on Beer Cheese (can’t remember her name), he vehemently denied it just as Tom did with Miami girl. These three, Schwartz, Sandoval and Jax constantly covered for one another and were constantly in denial about their affairs.

 

Exactly! The three of them, AND James always bold faced lied in the beginning of each accusation. They'd act outraged at the implication, and then 3 weeks later, They'd forget a detail, and just fess up. James and Sandoval always stuck to their lies to the very end (both are narcisists), even when the truth was blatantly obvious. Sandoval is incapable of being honest, ever. He lies, exaggerates, or sets the fake stories up, all the time. Hell, even in his one on one with Andy, he came out of the gate lying. Shwartz only tells the truth because he doesn't have the mental capacity to remember his lies. Same with Rachel.

[Chalby]

27 minutes ago, Big girl panties said:

But this reunion was only meant to beat up on Raquel and Sandoval. I’m not sure why we are actually watching this. Oh and Lala, you are a little bit vicious.

When two cast members go out of their way to manipulate friends, gaslight loved ones, and sneakily show behaviour beyond even disgusting Jax; then the groip needs to partcipate in a public flogging.

No different than centuries ago, but more verbal than physical. However, I would enjoy seeing both of them in the stocks.

Edited May 26, 2023 by Chalby

[ZettaK]

19 minutes ago, Chalby said:

I don't believe for a moment they took a break. If their first encounter was in her car, methinks they can't keep their hands off each other long enough to "take a break" or find a bed...

I don't either. It's what he said on the reunion.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I think that I would feel the same way as Ariana. Rachel’s betrayal is worse. My friendships with women are so important to me. When they say things to me, there is no ulterior motive. I feel that women are much more selfless and, therefore, I trust them more.

[Chalby]

On 5/24/2023 at 6:59 PM, Steph J said:

Oh, Lala, there has been plenty of bullying on this show - you were the victim of some of it. C'mon.

Lala and James were the originators and instigators of many vicious bullying scenes. Just because she's sober, doesn't mean she gets to redefine her past bad behaviour. She was a bigger bully than Stassi.

[Big girl panties]

15 minutes ago, Chalby said:

When two cast members go out of their way to manipulate friends, gaslight loved ones, and sneakily show behaviour beyond even disgusting Jax; then the groip needs to partcipate in a public flogging.

No different than centuries ago, but more verbal than physical. However, I would enjoy seeing both of them in the stocks.

So we haven’t progressed in centuries? I’m all for holding a person responsible. I’m not for beating them senseless in public. I don’t see this cast as angels either, it’s just the next thing for someone to feel better about themselves because at least they didn’t to it with… or this way….