S04.E10: Grass on the Streets and Weeds on the Rooftops

[Pallas]

In the season finale, Denim Richards, Jefferson White and Ian Bohen dissect Beth and Caroline’s rivalry; Jamie makes a crucial choice; and Mia reacts to Jimmy’s engagement.

[joliefaire]

Men's Health e-magazine mistakenly published an article this morning recapping all the details of tonight's finale.  It was obviously a mistake since the title of the piece is something like "What happened in last night's Yellowstone Finale."  Obviously, it wasn't supposed to come out until tomorrow.  The article has since been taken down, but--too late.  Copies of it are flying all over the web. 

[Msample]

With a two hour finale I imagine that means we'll be subjected to a half hour at least of rodeo porn, Jimmy scenes, an 1883 flashback, and the orphan kid learning what a fucked up place the Dutton ranch is. 

[RedDelicious]

MF Jimmy! I’m proud of you son. You finally made the right choice.

[Crashcourse]

I'm happy for Jimmy.  He even sounds more like an "All True Man."

That was a joke of a wedding with Beth and Rip.  I guess it doesn't matter if they haven't signed any papers since they'll stay at Yellowstone for the rest of their lives. 

[NeenerNeener]

Well, that one rumor I saw was wrong...so far. Maybe early next season it will come true. In the meantime Jimmy invited Mia to leave, so that's a plus.

I laughed all thru Beth's wedding and I'm glad Rip lived to marry her.

[toodywoody]

Wow, can't believe Jamie did it.

I hope Beth was recording Silver Hair.

Yeah, I'm a wuss. I cried when Lloyd walked away crying both times. 

Vet has a great hook. I think she's good for Jimmy. 

I want to know what was the other path for Kayce. 

[Crashcourse]

We've had four seasons of this Jamie/Beth shit and it's old, tired, and needs to stop.  I know Beth won't kill herself so I just wish Jamie would put himself out of his misery and put a bullet to his head and end this mess.     

Interesting that Kayce had hallucinations of Avery kissing him and then he tells Monica they won't be together.   Yeah, he can blame it on the wolf.   Maybe she dies in childbirth?

The best part of this episode was the sendoff for Jimmy and Emily (is that her name?).

[Sharper2002]

Jamie, you mean you were standing on a cliff with Beth and didn’t push her off with bio dad? You had one job. 

 

[RedDelicious]

I think it’s funny that Not Sally Struthers tried to out-Beth Beth. I hope Beth takes NSS down next season.

She may be a lot of things that we don’t like, but I wish I had an ounce of her guts. Because whether she is misguided or wrong or too outrageous, she has guts. 

[Atlanta]

53 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I'm happy for Jimmy.  He even sounds more like an "All True Man."

That was a joke of a wedding with Beth and Rip.  I guess it doesn't matter if they haven't signed any papers since they'll stay at Yellowstone for the rest of their lives. 

If she wants conjugal visits, she'll need a marriage license. LOL I'm creeped out by her ring. Eeeww!

Dear Beth, you asked him to take you to the clinic.

[MzLiz]

Ok. That was messed up. And a rather strange ending. I thought for sure that option 3 was killing himself. But in a way, Jamie killing his bio Dad who did in fact try to kill the duttons will be proof to John that he chose the Duttons. If Beth wants Jamie gone, I’m not sure this was the best path. She should be smart enough to know that if she did kill Jamie she would in fact kill her relationship with her father.

Rip would never kill Jamie because John wouldn’t want it. And Beth chose to get an abortion so Jamie IMO wasn’t responsible for that. He letting her get sterilized, yes. I’m still shocked the abortion clinic never told HER. And they knew who she was, a Dutton, and underage and not an Indian so I’m surprised the Rez clinic even agreed to do it at all. 
 

I’m not sure I totally understood all the Kayce stuff with the Wolf and what the 2 paths were.  I’m gonna have to re-watch those parts

Edited January 3, 2022 by MzLiz
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[Crashcourse]

Mia seemed pretty desperate standing there at the end.  If she cared so much about him then she shouldn't have been encouraging him to damn near kill himself rodeoing.  I won't be watching 6666 but I hope she doesn't follow him to Texas.  I like Jimmy and the vet and he deserves some happiness in his new life.  

I don't think Beth has guts at all.  She relies on cussing her way out of situations.  Sure, the Yellowstone folks cuss and say "fuck/fucking" a lot, but that's just part of normal conversation with them, whereas she thinks she intimidates people.  She knows she's got her influential daddy to fall back on.   Plus, a trained monkey could punk Jamie because he's a wimp. 

I want Silver Hair to be the one to finally take her out, and by that, I mean have her killed.   Dead.

I wonder if that judge will actually review the sentencing for Summer or if he was just punking John, because he was pretty passionate about the sentencing when he was ripping her a new one in the courtroom.  I hope the judge stands firm and doesn't change the sentence.  

 

[Crashcourse]

16 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

Dear Beth, you asked him to take you to the clinic.

Yes.  Is she going to tell Rip that Jamie dragged her to the clinic?  

[RedDelicious]

Mmm. Beth does a lot more than drop the F bomb. Beth shows up. Which is a lot more than I could ever say for Jamie. He didn’t take bio dad to the train station where he was going to wind up anyway until Beth forced his hand. 

[Sharper2002]

33 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I don't think Beth has guts at all.  She relies on cussing her way out of situations.  Sure, the Yellowstone folks cuss and say "fuck/fucking" a lot, but that's just part of normal conversation with them, whereas she thinks she intimidates people.  She knows she's got her influential daddy to fall back on.   Plus, a trained monkey could punk Jamie because he's a wimp. 

THIS. She acts the way she does because she knows Daddy or big bad Rip will bail her out if she’s ever in true trouble. Even back in season 1, she used her name at that bar with that cowboy when he told her she’d better be carrying something in her purse. Drop her in a completely different location without them or any influence and see how big and bad she is then. 

I think I’m just more offended that somehow the writers think she personifies a “strong woman”. While everything she has – even while experiencing some trauma – is a result of daddy. She didn’t claw her way up from anywhere or overcome a huge obstacle. She started out as a scared girl and grew up to be a loathsome bitch. 

And I hope NSS eats her for dinner. But if she ends up getting convicted, John will just lean on the judge for a “favor”.

[Atlanta]

56 minutes ago, MzLiz said:

Rip would never kill Jamie because John wouldn’t want it. And Beth chose to get an abortion so Jamie IMO wasn’t responsible for that. He letting her get sterilized, yes. I’m still shocked the abortion clinic never told HER. And they knew who she was, a Dutton, and underage and not an Indian so I’m surprised the Rez clinic even agreed to do it at all. 

I’m not sure I totally understood all the Kayce stuff with the Wolf and what the 2 paths were.  I’m gonna have to re-watch those parts

I'm shocked the clinic wouldn't tell HER. I do wonder in her teenaged mind, maybe they did tell her but she didn't care? How old was she? She was a scared 15 year old? She probably wasn't thinking about future children and may have said okay. If they tied her tubes, that's reversible and if she had a hysterectomy, her family would know what happened. There's no way she'd be up and about right after. She needs to stop blaming Jamie, but blame her unhealthy relationship with her mom. She's getting old to me. Her character is one dimensional. We get it that she's a ball buster, but I want her taken down a few pegs.

I still don't know the deal with Kayce and the wolf. 

[Gemma Violet]

8 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

Her character is one dimensional. 

Yes, she's getting boring and predictable.  And more and more unlikeable.  It was so mean to berate a child because he called her Mom.  I know it reminded her of her situation, but he's a child.  She didn't have to treat him like he was an adult who intentionally tried to hurt her.

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I still don't know the deal with Kayce and the wolf. 

Me, too.  I thought the whole thing was strange and I just didn't get it.

I thought when Beth took the photo of Jamie with the body, he'd threaten her with the gun and then smash her phone.

[MamaGee]

That was it?!? Man, this whole season was a complete letdown. I know ole Taylor likes to talk about how he doesn't do show writing like everyone else and he breaks all of the rules but he's going to have to do a lot more than this to keep viewers. 

[Madding crowd]

I starting watching this because Kevin Costner is one of my all time favorite actors. But it’s become the Beth show and John Dutton, Jamie, Rip and even Kayce are powerless people to get anything done without her foul mouth and violence. I hate the way she talks to the kid and asking your brother to take you to get an abortion is not about him. Beth made that decision . I don’t believe for a minute she would be sterilized but they have to find more to pile on Jamie. I really hate everything about her, the overly sexual way she acts around her father and her constant violence and threats. There are no strong women featured in this show, only a violent thug, and lowlife buckle bunnies who have sex in a bunk room. Thank God for the scenery. 

[Marley]

I absolutely loved the finale. Everything I wanted to happen happened. I even loved Jimmy’s scenes and his new fiancé. Fuck that dumb barrel racer bitch. The other chick seems to accept Jimmy. I thought his send off was super cute. I’ll watch the spin-off now I think if Jimmy is like this and with the vet.

Kayce was on his own show basically. I didn’t mind it but I hope it means the end of him and Monica. I rather he was part of the main action tho.

I kind of wish Lee was still around.

Love Beth and Rip getting married. Wish she would ease up on the kid.

Yes Beth wanted the abortion but Jamie sneakily sterilized her. He could’ve told her. He should never be forgiven for that. Plus his bio daddy was a pos who deserved to die. I laughed with glee when he shot him.

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Marley

[Bulldog]

The judge was temporarily my favorite character, until he backed down at the last minute to the great and powerful John Dutton.  He should have reminded John that he was running for public office.  I suspect a far greater percentage of the electorate in Montana would have agreed with the judge's initial stance than John's bleeding heart take.   Perhaps a "leak" to a local news station of John Dutton trying to pull strings to get a lighter sentence for his girlfriend is in order. 

I have no clue what was going on with Kayce, nor do I care. 

This was perhaps the first time ever that I liked Jimmy, and he's now apparently leaving. 

Beth is just tiresome.  She really needs someone who can knock her down a peg or two (and make it stick).  John and Rip's constant enabling of her doesn't help.  I was hoping when Rip put the ring on her finger, she'd ask why it smelled of embalming fluid.  I hope John made a sizable donation to that priest's church. 

Is there no child protective services in Montana?  

Jamie is just too dumb for words.  He should have took Beth out when he had the opportunity.  

[zoey1996]

2 hours ago, MzLiz said:

Ok. That was messed up. And a rather strange ending. I thought for sure that option 3 was killing himself. But in a way, Jamie killing his bio Dad who did in fact try to kill the duttons will be proof to John that he chose the Duttons. If Beth wants Jamie gone, I’m not sure this was the best path. …

Rip would never kill Jamie because John wouldn’t want it. And Beth chose to get an abortion so Jamie IMO wasn’t responsible for that. He letting her get sterilized, yes. I’m still shocked the abortion clinic never told HER. And they knew who she was, a Dutton, and underage and not an Indian so I’m surprised the Rez clinic even agreed to do it at all. 
 

I’m not sure I totally understood all the Kayce stuff with the Wolf and what the 2 paths were.  I’m gonna have to re-watch those parts

Agree with most of above re:Beth. I’m not at all sure that Jamie had given the go-ahead for Beth to be sterilized. Did either one really understand what would happen?

As to Kayce, not sure a rewatch would help at all. Just bizarre.

2 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Mia seemed pretty desperate standing there at the end.  If she cared so much about him then she shouldn't have been encouraging him to damn near kill himself rodeoing.  I won't be watching 6666 but I hope she doesn't follow him to Texas.  I like Jimmy and the vet and he deserves some happiness in his new life.  

I don't think Beth has guts at all.  She relies on cussing her way out of situations.  Sure, the Yellowstone folks cuss and say "fuck/fucking" a lot, but that's just part of normal conversation with them, whereas she thinks she intimidates people.  She knows she's got her influential daddy to fall back on.   Plus, a trained monkey could punk Jamie because he's a wimp. 

I want Silver Hair to be the one to finally take her out, and by that, I mean have her killed.   Dead.

I wonder if that judge will actually review the sentencing for Summer or if he was just punking John, because he was pretty passionate about the sentencing when he was ripping her a new one in the courtroom.  I hope the judge stands firm and doesn't change the sentence.  

 

Like how things are working out with Jim(my).

1 hour ago, Atlanta said:

I'm shocked the clinic wouldn't tell HER. I do wonder in her teenaged mind, maybe they did tell her but she didn't care? How old was she? She was a scared 15 year old? She probably wasn't thinking about future children and may have said okay. If they tied her tubes, that's reversible and if she had a hysterectomy, her family would know what happened. There's no way she'd be up and about right after. She needs to stop blaming Jamie, but blame her unhealthy relationship with her mom. She's getting old to me. Her character is one dimensional. We get it that she's a ball buster, but I want her taken down a few pegs.

I still don't know the deal with Kayce and the wolf. 

Agree with comments about Beth.

Yeah, Kayce’s vision quest is almost incomprehensible.

1 hour ago, Madding crowd said:

I starting watching this because Kevin Costner is one of my all time favorite actors. But it’s become the Beth show and John Dutton, Jamie, Rip and even Kayce are powerless people to get anything done without her foul mouth and violence. I hate the way she talks to the kid and asking your brother to take you to get an abortion is not about him. Beth made that decision . I don’t believe for a minute she would be sterilized but they have to find more to pile on Jamie. I really hate everything about her, the overly sexual way she acts around her father and her constant violence and threats. There are no strong women featured in this show, only a violent thug, and lowlife buckle bunnies who have sex in a bunk room. Thank God for the scenery. 

One strong woman, Teeter, but that doesn’t begin to make up for the misogyny that characterizes the other women. I’ve seen plenty of “weak women” over decades of tv and movies, and lots of them were stronger and of better character than Beth.

[Triviatrish2]

Well. that was a letdown. Already had read the write up before the show aired, couldn't believe that was leaked.  I must say, I was surprised how far Jimmy has come, after me complaining that it was the Jimmy show.  But, he has turned out to be a real gentleman, with great manners, and a sense of humor. 6666 did him good.  

As to Beth, I  have come to loathe her, and feel that Rip, in spite of all his "deeds" is too good for her.  She is a pyscho bitch. Children and Youth should grab that boy, and get him away from her, after she ripped into him when he called her Mama.  Does she have a civil bone in her body? John going to bat for the protester, WTH?  And, what was that with Kayce?  What did I miss?

[Marley]

Beth has mother issues. Her mom was trash to her. So her ripping into the kid about calling her mama was not nice and made me cry but didn’t surprise me. She was let down by her mom horribly and she was blamed for her death.

Also there’s no way at all Jamie didn’t understand he was getting her sterilized. It was obvious and he agreed to it. 

Rip did call her out at the beginning of the episode and made her chill out about running away and breaking a promise. 

 

 

[Madding crowd]

Jamie was a teenage boy who gave his sister a ride to an abortion clinic at her request. It was never said that he requested her to be sterilized or did anything but what she wanted. 

[CharethCutestory]

Did Kayce seriously just take a nap for the entire season finale? 

[Dowel Jones]

Montana must have some interesting conjugal visit rules.  "Hi, I'd like to reserve a room for a conjugal visit with a violent inmate on a life sentence.  No, I'm not related to him.  No, he doesn't know I'm going to be there."

John - "You drove the colt up here in the 6666 truck."  Jimmy - "Yes sir"  Me - You know there aren't any other trucks on the 6666 ranch, right?

Jaime, if you want to continue in your chosen profession, 1) Grow some balls, and 2) Get a new assistant.  That's twice she cut you off at the knees by not telling you ahead of time that you had a visitor or who it was.

Also, Jaime, you have a huge amount of land there.  Bury the guy on your property, don't drive all night to get to the train station.

Beth, when you eventually go to Daddy with your hardluck story, don't forget to tell him that Top Hand Rip was the guy who got you pregnant at 15.  And that comment about First Amendment rights to your boss?  Those don't apply to the private world.  The First protects you only against government overreach. 

I was confused at first with the patrol during Kayce's vision quest.  I thought it was the eternal militia coming to get him.

If Summer had a competent PD, she could easily have fought the assault charge.  All she would need is video of the various cop groups swinging their batons rather wildly and without provocation at the protesters, and she could claim self defense.

Coors wasn't a sponsor for the show, right?  I didn't think so....heh.

[Marley]

1 hour ago, Madding crowd said:

Jamie was a teenage boy who gave his sister a ride to an abortion clinic at her request. It was never said that he requested her to be sterilized or did anything but what she wanted. 

Of course he never requested it but the episode is clear the person tells Jamie at the clinic that after an abortion there is always sterilization after. Jamie agrees to this. He does not tell Beth that she will be sterilized after. So she goes to have the abortion not knowing what is going to happen after. It couldn’t have been more clear.

[Sunnykm]

I think Beth with her bad attitude being called mom by Carter is just an anchor to when she will tell him next season to call her mom.

4 minutes ago, Marley said:

Of course he never requested it but the episode is clear the person tells Jamie at the clinic that after an abortion there is always sterilization after. Jamie agrees to this. He does not tell Beth that she will be sterilized after. So she goes to have the abortion not knowing what is going to happen after. It couldn’t have been more clear.

ahh here is the out.... probably tied her tubes which can be reversed....

[The Pretender]

Great finale. Relieved there wasn't a major cliffhanger like the previous season. Clueless on what's to come on S5 though but just happy it will be back on my screen again. 

Beth is an awesome character. Love how complicated she is and how she follows her own moral compass (even if that compass is out of wack). Did I like how she adressed Carter in this episode? No. Does she need therapy? Yes but I don't think we will ever get there or that it would stick either way. I'd take another season of this current Beth but I also hope to see her enjoying married life a bit in S5 & also bonding with Carter a little bit better. 

That wedding was everything. I smiled throughout that entire scene. Her jail-hooker-wedding dress, kidnapping the priest roflmao, Rip getting Lloyd to attend awww, John the only one with wedding jitters. Just perfect. 

Jimmy proved me wrong. Glad he did and also happy to see him leave while on top. Mia was a bit too dramatic there in the bunk house (& on the road) but it was fun to see the reaction of the others during that brawl. I did get misty eyed during that Not-a-goodbye-but-see-you-later-scene. I wonder if this means Jefferson won't be in the bunkhouse talks episode though, that I will miss if so. He may be busy with the podcast though, that I have yet to come around to listen to but surely will in the near future. 

Beth quizzing Carter on prison was fun. The comic relief that is Ryan/Colby, that was made even better this episode with the help of Emily/Laramie. Teeter! The Summer/courtroom scenes not so fun but at least it was adressed & hopefully a closed chapter (although I don't mind Piper/Summer on the show if that's the case, for a love interest for John I prefer the Governor though). 

I don't know what went down with Kayce either but the scenery was nice, I like wolves, that dream sequence was beatifully shot & man do I miss Lee. He and Rip would've probably been too similiar in characters but I wouldn't had minded two Rips so... 

Jamie. Bio dad. Not so sure what to say about that and Beth's involvment in it. I did wish bio dad would be gone but I did not see Jamie being the one to make that happen. Even though I don't like Jamie it was still nice to see that John still feels for him, not sure 'owning' him is what he wants but at least he seemed relieved knowing he was still walking. I'm nervous where this Beth/Jamie vendetta will result in. I feel she has valid points in why she hates him but in the end I think that fuel will, and has, hurt herself more than anyone else (I'm not sure Jamie's bio dad will agree with me from the train station but oh well). 

Thank you Taylor, cast & crew for another season of this fabulous show. Happy to have 1883 to fill the void for another few weeks at least. 

[Madding crowd]

5 hours ago, Marley said:

Of course he never requested it but the episode is clear the person tells Jamie at the clinic that after an abortion there is always sterilization after. Jamie agrees to this. He does not tell Beth that she will be sterilized after. So she goes to have the abortion not knowing what is going to happen after. It couldn’t have been more clear.

He still was not her parent or even an adult. And Beth is the smartest person in the world, she should have known what that meant. Nothing in the world would convince me this reservation clinic would sterilize a white girl in secret in the say so of another teenager.  Also, nice to know that there are no laws in that state and you can kidnap a priest at gunpoint. Of course if the police came for Beth she would threaten to beat them up and they would be scared of her like everyone else. Not a drop of realism with this character, don’t get me started on a conjugal visit with someone you never met, arranged in five minutes.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Madding crowd

[rcc]

9 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

I starting watching this because Kevin Costner is one of my all time favorite actors. But it’s become the Beth show and John Dutton, Jamie, Rip and even Kayce are powerless people to get anything done without her foul mouth and violence. I hate the way she talks to the kid and asking your brother to take you to get an abortion is not about him. Beth made that decision . I don’t believe for a minute she would be sterilized but they have to find more to pile on Jamie. I really hate everything about her, the overly sexual way she acts around her father and her constant violence and threats. There are no strong women featured in this show, only a violent thug, and lowlife buckle bunnies who have sex in a bunk room. Thank God for the scenery. 

I couldn't agree more. If it weren't for Kevin I would never watch this show. The scenery is a plus.

[KittyQ]

11 hours ago, Sharper2002 said:

And I hope NSS eats her for dinner. But if she ends up getting convicted, John will just lean on the judge for a “favor”.

Or maybe by then he's the governor! So he can commute her sentence (or something...)

[KittyQ]

8 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Montana must have some interesting conjugal visit rules.  "Hi, I'd like to reserve a room for a conjugal visit with a violent inmate on a life sentence.  No, I'm not related to him.  No, he doesn't know I'm going to be there."

Right! I went to visit someone in minimum security once and I had to have him put me on the list of approved visitors, then apply for the visit, and there was a list of restrictions about what I could bring in, including what clothing was allowed. I'm pretty sure that there are some allowances for conjugal visits, but I also suspect the hoops to jump through are more stringent. As an aside about another show I watch - this prison might as well be on General Hospital for all its versimilitude.

[mytmo]

It was known that there were forced sterilizations on native women in the 1960's and 1970's not saying that couldn't have happened later.  Per Time.com physicians sterilized perhaps 25% of native women of childbearing age over a 6 year period in the 1970s alone.  Although Beth is white and was a teenager at the time brought in by another teenager I could see no questions were asked and fell into the same fate as a native teenager. 

[margol29]

Did anyone understand that Kayce dream quest? Where we expected to know the two paths? Is there anyone who can explain this to us? To me it seemed a colossal waste of time. He was supposed to cry out and pray to the spirits but he was just freezing and napping through the whole thing. 

Jaimie is such a weak person. He should of taken care of Beth when he had the chance.

I felt for Carter. Poor kid no one really gives a darn for him.

I still don't understand why the two buckle bunnies are allowed on the ranch. Teeter is employed and branded. She belongs there.

 Oh well. Waiting for next season.  

[joliefaire]

15 minutes ago, margol29 said:

Did anyone understand that Kayce dream quest? Where we expected to know the two paths? Is there anyone who can explain this to us?

Me, too, waiting for some explanation.  That whole thing just seemed a freezing cold, bad drug trip.  I can make no sense of it at all.  And when he told Monica he saw 'the end of us,' did that mean the end of them as a married couple, or the end of life for all of them, or...?  I hope someone has a clearer understanding of what all that meant, because I'm totally lost.

[Crashcourse]

10 hours ago, Marley said:

Of course he never requested it but the episode is clear the person tells Jamie at the clinic that after an abortion there is always sterilization after. Jamie agrees to this. He does not tell Beth that she will be sterilized after. So she goes to have the abortion not knowing what is going to happen after. It couldn’t have been more clear.

Even if he heard "sterilization" for Beth, a teenager might not even know what that meant.  Maybe he just thought it was part of the treatment.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Crashcourse
Maybe Jamie wasn't 15, but he was still a teenager

[bkathi]

2 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Even if he heard "sterilization" for Beth, a 15 year old kid might not even know what that meant.  Maybe he just thought it was part of the treatment.

I think that Beth told Jaime she didn't want anyone to know - and if they had gone any where else it would have gotten out (no HIPPA at the time).  So Jaime felt that the only option was the Native clinic - no matter the cost.  At 16-17 he wouldn't have been thinking about the consequences of the sterilization.  Jaime has a weak character (nature wins in his case).  They should have sent him to the 6666 instead of the bunkhouse a few seasons ago.

[Tatum]

The reason Beth hates Jamie so much has never really rung true for me. Even if I can suspend the disbelief that any clinic would perform a total hysterectomy on a minor, with or without parental permission, and not even mention to the minor what the abortion would entail, the story still seems inconsistent to the characters.

From what I could tell, the receptionist at the clinic warned only Jamie what would happen, and Jamie said it was okay. They do not show either Jamie or any clinic personnel telling Beth. I think we are supposed to assume that Beth did not know, and only found out after it was too late. In the episode of the flashbacks, adult Beth tells Jamie he cares so much about his reputation, the implication being that Jamie was so ashamed to have a pregnant teenage sister that he tricked her into sterilization in order to get her an abortion. Jamie may care about his own image, but that is a real stretch to assume 18 year old Jamie would have cared about Beth being pregnant. It wouldn't be his head, and I don't think anything we've seen indicates Jamie would feel another Dutton's choices would negatively reflect on him.

 

Honestly, what I have always suspected is this: the writers wrote the rivalry between Jamie and Beth without really making up the backstory first. In the first two episodes, Beth is mildly snotty to Jamie but nothing as bad as the season progresses, and in one early scene they even seem to reconcile. I think the writers backed into the reasoning after they had already written up the animosity between Beth and Jamie. It just really doesn't make sense for Jamie to withhold that information from her.

 

I am not sure how Rip would react, but he might not be that angry. I don't think he wants to be a dad and John probably would have killed him when he found out who the father was.

 

 

[Crashcourse]

1 minute ago, bkathi said:

They should have sent him to the 6666 instead of the bunkhouse a few seasons ago.

I agree. 

I posted earlier that he should put a bullet to his head and, unfortunately, I fear that's what he might do.  The man constantly lives in fear of Beth, he's tortured, he's endured her abuse, and that's a shame.  I thought having a woman in his life and a child would give him something to live for and protect, but when he cringed when Beth slapped him, instead of knocking her the fuck out (not that I'm advocating violence against women, but it's Beth, and he should have done it long ago to protect himself), I knew he was a lost cause.  Maybe he'll man up next season, but I doubt it. 

[Tatum]

Just now, Crashcourse said:

I agree. 

I posted earlier that he should put a bullet to his head and, unfortunately, I fear that's what he might do.  The man constantly lives in fear of Beth, he's tortured, he's endured her abuse, and that's a shame.  I thought having a woman in his life and a child would give him something to live for and protect, but when he cringed when Beth slapped him, instead of knocking her the fuck out (not that I'm advocating violence against women, but it's Beth, and he should have done it long ago to protect himself), I knew he was a lost cause.  Maybe he'll man up next season, but I doubt it. 

He can't hit her back. He did that last time and John said if ever did it again, John would kill him.

[Crashcourse]

1 minute ago, Tatum said:

He can't hit her back. He did that last time and John said if ever did it again, John would kill him.

Ok, I forgot he hit her.  So John doesn't want Jamie to defend himself and Beth can just pummel him whenever she wants. 

[Tatum]

Just now, Crashcourse said:

Ok, I forgot he hit her.  So John doesn't want Jamie to defend himself and Beth can just pummel him whenever she wants. 

Yes. John and Beth Dutton are the Jessica and Elizabeth Wakefield of Yellowstone. No one is ever allowed to get the better of John, and only John can get the better of Beth. Everyone else is a mere mortal.

 

I'll throw a bone out to all Beth-haters though: it must really grind her gears that even after John found out what Jamie "did" to Beth, he still maintained a relationship with him at times.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tatum

[KittyQ]

Just now, Crashcourse said:

2 minutes ago, Tatum said:

He can't hit her back. He did that last time and John said if ever did it again, John would kill him.

Ok, I forgot he hit her.  So John doesn't want Jamie to defend himself and Beth can just pummel him whenever she wants. 

By now just about everyone has threatened to kill Jamie, so I think he should just go ahead and hit Beth back the next time she hits him or threatens to shoot him. 

I am so disappointed in how they have treated the character of Jamie. My impression in the first season was that he was a smart, mature person, and they have turned him into a sniveling cowardly dope. If I were Wes Bentley, I'd be looking for another job asap.

[Tatum]

3 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

By now just about everyone has threatened to kill Jamie, so I think he should just go ahead and hit Beth back the next time she hits him or threatens to shoot him. 

I am so disappointed in how they have treated the character of Jamie. My impression in the first season was that he was a smart, mature person, and they have turned him into a sniveling cowardly dope. If I were Wes Bentley, I'd be looking for another job asap.

Well, I love Wes Bentley but I think Jamie always was kind of a cowardly dope. A smart, educated, cowardly dope, but a dope all the same. He was groomed to be a pawn his whole life. John and Evelyn might not have been physically abusive, but they sure were fucked up parents who piled heaps of emotional abuse on their children.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tatum

[KittyQ]

1 minute ago, Tatum said:

He was groomed to be a pawn his whole life.

That is just sad. I think John Dutton should have many more regrets than he's expressed so far. I guess he's never heard the saying, "as the twig is bent so grows the tree." 

[bichonblitz]

So Beth just happens to know where and when Jamie is going to dump the body, parks her care somewhere Jamie doesn't see it and waits for him in the dark. Ok, show. 

Don't care about John trying to rescue Summer. 

Luke Grimes earned a hefty Yellowstone paycheck for doing not much of anything this season. 

John all worried and upset that Beth may have killed Jamie even though he was a big disappointment, not really his son, but he loves him anyway. So nice of you to give a shit, John.

I hate Rip for loving Beth. 

[Tatum]

3 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

That is just sad. I think John Dutton should have many more regrets than he's expressed so far. I guess he's never heard the saying, "as the twig is bent so grows the tree." 

I think John is a despicable human being. He had kids and basically terrorized/manipulated them into dedicating their lives to preserving the ranch, in ways he found fit. Last season, when Beth asked John if he loved Jamie, the way he loves Beth and Kayce, I snorted. Daddy doesn't love you, Beth! If he gave a shit about you he would have assured you your mother's death wasn't your fault, and he would have forced you into therapy when it still had a chance to save you. Instead, he exploited your worst fear to get you to do his bidding for the next 20 years, and kicks you out the minute you don't fall in line.