The Human Beings Known as the Arnold-Klein Family

[humbleopinion]

Jarrod had them pool safe(able to get to the side of the pool if they fell in) before they moved to FL but the beautiful pool is tempting to both kids.

The swim lessons need to continue because they are ready to learn strokes and more water safety.

The canal is just another place their parenting will be tested by Will and Zoey.

[Rap541]

Aren't we overworrying a little bit? Yes they're little people but as I recall, the poor child who got eaten by a gator at Disneyland was a)an average height child and b) had average height parents who evidently failed royally in minding their child. At last check, there's not a moratorium on average height parents with toddler sized kids moving to Florida since this tragedy and why is that? Because it was kind of a rare thing. My point? The parents involved were average height and the response to this tragedy was not to question whether all average height people with toddlers should consider moving from Florida due to the alligator dangers, and if its a concern for Jen and Bill, it should also be a concern for all average height parents in Florida. And its not. Because it was a freak thing that happened.

[xldb2004]

1 hour ago, Rap541 said:

Aren't we overworrying a little bit? Yes they're little people but as I recall, the poor child who got eaten by a gator at Disneyland was a)an average height child and b) had average height parents who evidently failed royally in minding their child. At last check, there's not a moratorium on average height parents with toddler sized kids moving to Florida since this tragedy and why is that? Because it was kind of a rare thing. My point? The parents involved were average height and the response to this tragedy was not to question whether all average height people with toddlers should consider moving from Florida due to the alligator dangers, and if its a concern for Jen and Bill, it should also be a concern for all average height parents in Florida. And its not. Because it was a freak thing that happened.

I totally agree, you'd need wonder woman to intervene.  My point still is i see no protection around the pool area.

[Libby]

I think that it's fairly common for people who live near ponds and other waterways in Florida to wake up to alligators in their pool. I think that it's more dangerous for the little dogs than it is for the kids.

[Veronique Bette]

3 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Aren't we overworrying a little bit? Yes they're little people but as I recall, the poor child who got eaten by a gator at Disneyland was a)an average height child and b) had average height parents who evidently failed royally in minding their child. At last check, there's not a moratorium on average height parents with toddler sized kids moving to Florida since this tragedy and why is that? Because it was kind of a rare thing. My point? The parents involved were average height and the response to this tragedy was not to question whether all average height people with toddlers should consider moving from Florida due to the alligator dangers, and if its a concern for Jen and Bill, it should also be a concern for all average height parents in Florida. And its not. Because it was a freak thing that happened.

Please excuse me for going OT here. I get your relevant point that the height of the parents was not a factor in the horrific Disneyland incident. But I cannot agree that these parents were negligent, as their little son was just wading up to his ankles only a foot or two from his family as they all waited for a scheduled family night movie to begin.  Since they were not from Florida, nor were there any warning signs posted about the presence of alligators in those waters – an internationally known family-friendly, man-made setting – these devastated parents would have had no idea that something so nightmarish and dangerous was even remotely possible.

[Rap541]

Not to go too off topic but here is the article I am basing my negligent view on. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/index.html The kid was two, wading in a foot of water with no parent within reach. The family was on the beach tending another child in a playpent about 20-30 yards from the water. He was not a foot away from adults, and he was not ankle deep. Further the whole area was clearly marked with signs stating no swimming *because of the alligators*. I'm not unsympathetic to the parents but ignoring the gator factor, a two year can drown in an inch of water. But you're right, the relevant point is that no one is suggesting that average height parents be restricted from bringing their small children to Florida because of the rampant danger of alligator attacks, so why should Jen and Bill take precautions that average height parents aren't required to take.

[HahYallDoin]

On 11/26/2017 at 0:24 AM, BW Manilowe said:

I wish him luck with the myelogram. My dad was a neurosurgeon & he used to order them for/perform them on his patients (part of how I know this is I used to work in my dad's office & I'd have to schedule them with the hospitals occasionally). Knowing what they are, they aren't exactly anything I'd wanna have done to myself. Basically, it's 1 of those x-rays where they have to give you an injection of contrast material so they can see what's going on with your neck &/or back & I don't think those are ever very comfortable, even though they do give you stuff to relax you beforehand too.

I had a cervical myelogram in late May. They didn't give me anything to help me relax, I had hoped they would though. The procedure wasn't as bad as I'd heard and read about but then again, I've chosen natural childbirth times two and my pain tolerance has increased as a result  LOL Immediately following, I developed an intense headache. It was as feared; a spinal fluid leak. I had two blood patches over the next 4 days. When the second one was initiated, the Anesthesialogist proclaimed 'oh my goodness, the fluid is pouring out. I've never seen a leak this bad.' He called down to the ER and contacted my primary care physician(late Friday afternoon of a holiday weekend) and informed them I needed to be admitted ASAP. I spent the next 8(!) days flat on my back, allowed only to use a bedside commode, and on a caffeine drip along with a high volume of IV fluids. Super rough days because I couldn't sleep due to the caffeine drip and having to get up every 45 minutes to an hour to use the bathroom. My docs played it conservatively but finally decided I'd had enough and on the 10th day, I underwent surgery to repair the leak in the dura. It was performed by the orthopedic surgeon who ordered the myelogram initially for diagnostic reasons since I can't have an MRI. The surgery required an incision at L4-L5 and I spent another 6 days inpatient recovering and for treatment of my high blood sugar levels(Type 1 Diabetes) as a result of the prolonged administration of steroids during all of this. It was a horrific experience and I wouldn't wish it on anyone...well, maybe one or two people I've known in my lifetime LOL 

I hope Bill's procedure goes smooth as molasses! 

[lookeyloo]

25 minutes ago, HahYallDoin said:

I had a cervical myelogram in late May. They didn't give me anything to help me relax, I had hoped they would though. The procedure wasn't as bad as I'd heard and read about but then again, I've chosen natural childbirth times two and my pain tolerance has increased as a result  LOL Immediately following, I developed an intense headache. It was as feared; a spinal fluid leak. I had two blood patches over the next 4 days. When the second one was initiated, the Anesthesialogist proclaimed 'oh my goodness, the fluid is pouring out. I've never seen a leak this bad.' He called down to the ER and contacted my primary care physician(late Friday afternoon of a holiday weekend) and informed them I needed to be admitted ASAP. I spent the next 8(!) days flat on my back, allowed only to use a bedside commode, and on a caffeine drip along with a high volume of IV fluids. Super rough days because I couldn't sleep due to the caffeine drip and having to get up every 45 minutes to an hour to use the bathroom. My docs played it conservatively but finally decided I'd had enough and on the 10th day, I underwent surgery to repair the leak in the dura. It was performed by the orthopedic surgeon who ordered the myelogram initially for diagnostic reasons since I can't have an MRI. The surgery required an incision at L4-L5 and I spent another 6 days inpatient recovering and for treatment of my high blood sugar levels(Type 1 Diabetes) as a result of the prolonged administration of steroids during all of this. It was a horrific experience and I wouldn't wish it on anyone...well, maybe one or two people I've known in my lifetime LOL 

I hope Bill's procedure goes smooth as molasses! 

Oh dear that does sound dreadful.   I'm sure you are glad it's over with!!  How are you doing now?

[HahYallDoin]

28 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Oh dear that does sound dreadful.   I'm sure you are glad it's over with!!  How are you doing now?

Aww, thanks for asking! I was so focused on recapping my ordeal, I forgot to disclose the outcome. Oy vey! 

Would you believe that the procedure didn't yield a definitive diagnosis?!?! When it didn't show the disk issue that the ortho was 99% positive I had, he sent me to his colleague who specializes in shoulder problems; the first ortho is a spine specialist/surgeon. This was actually the 3rd ortho in this group I saw because in the beginning, I was seeing a 'regular' ortho who sent me to the spine specialist because 1 year  and 3 epidurals hadn't given me any relief. The 3rd ortho ordered more tests and studies which didn't produce an answer either. This doc then sent me to a Rheumatologist who spent 3 minutes with me, just talking casually, and then proclaimed he knew what was wrong. He diagnosed me with adult onset Torticollis. It means I am experiencing spasms in my neck and shoulder causing the relentless pain and a slight tilt of my head toward that shoulder. In the 'old days,' it was called Wry Neck. If left untreated, the condition can result in serious head tilt, further progression of pain and the pictures found online are horrifying. This doc couldn't believe I'd seen THREE ortho's in the same group, my neurologist had conducted nerve studies and treated me during my spinal leak hospitalization, my primary care physician was involved for the previous 2 1/2 years and still, none of them figured it out. He sent me BACK to my neurologist for Botox treatment in the shoulder area which temporarily paralyzes the muscles and prevents the spasms. So far, so good! I've had one round of it thus far and will have it done once every three months from here on out.

P.S. I am SO THANKFUL that I scheduled the myelogram for the week after my son graduated from high school! The nurse had told me I could do it two days before graduation, when the hospital had an opening, but I refused because you have to lay flat for the first 24 hours following and we had a big party planned. If I had listened to her and had the same issue, I'd have missed it. 

[lookeyloo]

27 minutes ago, HahYallDoin said:

Aww, thanks for asking! I was so focused on recapping my ordeal, I forgot to disclose the outcome. Oy vey! 

Would you believe that the procedure didn't yield a definitive diagnosis?!?! When it didn't show the disk issue that the ortho was 99% positive I had, he sent me to his colleague who specializes in shoulder problems; the first ortho is a spine specialist/surgeon. This was actually the 3rd ortho in this group I saw because in the beginning, I was seeing a 'regular' ortho who sent me to the spine specialist because 1 year  and 3 epidurals hadn't given me any relief. The 3rd ortho ordered more tests and studies which didn't produce an answer either. This doc then sent me to a Rheumatologist who spent 3 minutes with me, just talking casually, and then proclaimed he knew what was wrong. He diagnosed me with adult onset Torticollis. It means I am experiencing spasms in my neck and shoulder causing the relentless pain and a slight tilt of my head toward that shoulder. In the 'old days,' it was called Wry Neck. If left untreated, the condition can result in serious head tilt, further progression of pain and the pictures found online are horrifying. This doc couldn't believe I'd seen THREE ortho's in the same group, my neurologist had conducted nerve studies and treated me during my spinal leak hospitalization, my primary care physician was involved for the previous 2 1/2 years and still, none of them figured it out. He sent me BACK to my neurologist for Botox treatment in the shoulder area which temporarily paralyzes the muscles and prevents the spasms. So far, so good! I've had one round of it thus far and will have it done once every three months from here on out.

P.S. I am SO THANKFUL that I scheduled the myelogram for the week after my son graduated from high school! The nurse had told me I could do it two days before graduation, when the hospital had an opening, but I refused because you have to lay flat for the first 24 hours following and we had a big party planned. If I had listened to her and had the same issue, I'd have missed it. 

That is some story!!  My late ex husband the doctor used to say Medicine is an art and a science. I guess that is true in your case! Glad you are on the good path. I'm at the point where I think whatever is wrong with me will get better or kill me because I am not thrilled with doctors or medicines unless my life depends on it which sounds like yours does. 

[BW Manilowe]

2 hours ago, HahYallDoin said:

I had a cervical myelogram in late May. They didn't give me anything to help me relax, I had hoped they would though. The procedure wasn't as bad as I'd heard and read about but then again, I've chosen natural childbirth times two and my pain tolerance has increased as a result  LOL Immediately following, I developed an intense headache. It was as feared; a spinal fluid leak. I had two blood patches over the next 4 days. When the second one was initiated, the Anesthesialogist proclaimed 'oh my goodness, the fluid is pouring out. I've never seen a leak this bad.' He called down to the ER and contacted my primary care physician(late Friday afternoon of a holiday weekend) and informed them I needed to be admitted ASAP. I spent the next 8(!) days flat on my back, allowed only to use a bedside commode, and on a caffeine drip along with a high volume of IV fluids. Super rough days because I couldn't sleep due to the caffeine drip and having to get up every 45 minutes to an hour to use the bathroom. My docs played it conservatively but finally decided I'd had enough and on the 10th day, I underwent surgery to repair the leak in the dura. It was performed by the orthopedic surgeon who ordered the myelogram initially for diagnostic reasons since I can't have an MRI. The surgery required an incision at L4-L5 and I spent another 6 days inpatient recovering and for treatment of my high blood sugar levels(Type 1 Diabetes) as a result of the prolonged administration of steroids during all of this. It was a horrific experience and I wouldn't wish it on anyone...well, maybe one or two people I've known in my lifetime LOL 

I hope Bill's procedure goes smooth as molasses! 

Man, you really went through it, didn't you? Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm surprised they didn't give you a little atropine before the myelogram, my dad always ordered that. Different strokes for different doctors, I guess. If it were me, I'm pretty sure I'd want the atropine, midazolam, propofol, or anything else they could give me beforehand, so I'd experience/remember as little as possible.

[HahYallDoin]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

That is some story!!  My late ex husband the doctor used to say Medicine is an art and a science. I guess that is true in your case! Glad you are on the good path. I'm at the point where I think whatever is wrong with me will get better or kill me because I am not thrilled with doctors or medicines unless my life depends on it which sounds like yours does. 

Thanks for the support! I was 'healthy as a horse' until age 33 and then it's been one thing after another. Smart man, your late ex. It's horror stories, like my recent ordeal, that contribute to you, me and millions of others being justifiably wary of docs and medicine...'modern' or not! Then, there are so many advances in medicine that are awe-inspiring and jaw dropping, like the baby born this week to a mom who had a uterus transplant a year ago!

56 minutes ago, BW Manilowe said:

 

56 minutes ago, BW Manilowe said:

Man, you really went through it, didn't you? Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm surprised they didn't give you a little atropine before the myelogram, my dad always ordered that. Different strokes for different doctors, I guess. If it were me, I'm pretty sure I'd want the atropine, midazolam, propofol, or anything else they could give me beforehand, so I'd experience/remember as little as possible.

I felt the same way as you...help me out, Doc. No dice. The radiologist explained that because I had to be tilted on the table and roll from side to side(!) to move the contrast down to my neck area, I had to be alert so I could follow his instructions. Hope you never have to have one...it wasn't traumatic but it wasn't a walk in the park for sure. 

Edited December 2, 2017 by HahYallDoin
I messed up the quoting and still can't fix it.

[Sew Sumi]

It seems like the "2018" chyron was correct. When I check my guide this morning, the Florida and TBA episodes were gone, replaced by Outdaughtered and last week's episode of Hodges' Half Dozen. Eh, whatever, TLC. 

[sATL]

On 11/1/2017 at 3:57 PM, SMama said:

WOW that is some house. The upkeep must cost a mint. Good for them, they worked hard and are reaping the benefits. It’s too much house for me. The article states the house has an elevator.

 

On 11/27/2017 at 4:38 PM, Rap541 said:

{ snip} ..we have the biggest house!". They can afford it so why not?

RE: Little Couple First House - 

2nd the wow & I'm feeling a little jealous, honestly... and getting tired of being part of the "have nots". I wish the "haves" would spend more time teaching the rest of us how to be able to afford a $2+ million house. Not necessarily that  I want to buy one, but at least have the knowledge, opportunity and option.

In hindsight - I guess I should have paid a little more attention in HS chem (I took a vow to stay clear of science classes after that) and became a Dr with a lucrative specialty and married a business man who has the insight to know where,when and how open up new ventures and inventions (the hydrant potty pad).

Anyone know big was their house prior to Houston ? Prior to getting married?

Edited December 9, 2017 by sATL

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

She was in med school so probably apts. If i recall correctly his new York house was a ranch model.  They lived in an apt first I  Houston. 

[BusyOctober]

Re. the FL alligator situation...I have an aunt & cousins in the Orlando area.  All 3 cousins and my aunt have homes in 4 different, nice, upscale gated communities.  Two of the houses are on golf courses, the others are not, but all 4 have screened in pool/patio areas.  All 4 of them have woken up to alligators &/or VERY large snakes in their screened in pool areas.  My Dad was a golf pro at a course in Tampa/St. Pete.  The course was part of a 55+ community.  At least 2-3 times a month, he said one of the residents lost a cat or dog to a snapping turtle or alligator. Some gators would come right up to the patios/porticos at dusk...and...just...wait.  He said the smallest amount of rain that collected in standing water on the greens made for some very tricky golfing.  If a ball went within 20 feet of a water hazard, he advised people to just take the strokes, get in the cart & move on to the next hole!  

Whether I were an LP or average height person, I would NEVER let my kids or pets out near any sized puddle in FL.  Of course, I'd never move to FL in the first place because of bugs, gators, snakes and humidity, so there's that safety net for my family.

[lookeyloo]

Upthread I related the recent story of the big snake that got into the screened lanai at an aunt's house on Marco Island.  I am never going back there!  Son has condo on 12th floor in St. Pete in the "downtown" area?  Not sure of exact location in relation to anything but it is all buildings a block from the water.  I will go on the balcony but walking is always a worry for me because who knows what lurks.   We are heading down on the 23rd and my wish is to bump into one or more of the Klein/Arnolds.

[floridamom]

lookeyloo: If you want to bump in to them, hang out in Shore Acres area of St. Pete. That's where they live.

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, floridamom said:

lookeyloo: If you want to bump in to them, hang out in Shore Acres area of St. Pete. That's where they live.

Thanks - will try and check it out!!

[lookeyloo]

We are blocks away from John's Hopkins children's hospital but haven't ventured out to shore acres yet. 

[ehall1052]

Did the Houston house sell? According to Zillow, it was taken off the market 12-27-17.

[ginger90]

On Trulia it shows as sold. On Zillow the list never said "sold" even when they bought it. It just said " listing removed". They came down in price at least 3 times.

[Snow8585]

I see where Trulia lists it as sold yet when i did a search on SOLD homes in that zip code, it does not appear so I am skeptical. Maybe they rented it or took it off the market to list it in the future. Further on realtor.com there is a note that the property is being sold AS IS... Thats odd.

Edited January 2, 2018 by Snow8585

[Love2dance]

14 hours ago, Snow8585 said:

I see where Trulia lists it as sold yet when i did a search on SOLD homes in that zip code, it does not appear so I am skeptical. Maybe they rented it or took it off the market to list it in the future. Further on realtor.com there is a note that the property is being sold AS IS... Thats odd.

Maybe it is because the house had been modified for Jen and Bill’s physical needs.

[Rap541]

Makes sense actually. As IS means the prior owners aren't going to entertain the "remodel it first" crowd.

[AZChristian]

With all of the Little People shows on TLC, surely SOMEONE would want to buy it "as is."

[lookeyloo]

I thought I read somewhere that they had the kitchen at least changed to normal height. I'm wondering if they took that fancy oven that opened with the two doors with them to incorporate in the renovation of the new house.  Or, just bought new.  

[gunderda]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I thought I read somewhere that they had the kitchen at least changed to normal height. I'm wondering if they took that fancy oven that opened with the two doors with them to incorporate in the renovation of the new house.  Or, just bought new.  

Yea I'm pretty sure they stated they remodeled it back to average people height. If anyone wants to check they can go back and watch that special episode they did about the hurricane where Bill and his brother stopped back at the house to check on things. 

[Snow8585]

Yes i recall reading that they restored the kitchen to avg people height but maybe they left some things AS IS like the height of counter tops in bathrooms, door knobs , elevator buttons, stairs. who knows. I am sure there were plenty of custom things that they thought were not worth trying to undo. From what i could glean online, they purchased the property in 2009 and totally renovated it for themselves. Totally appropriate. I remember the opening of the The Little Couple, Jen said they built their "dream" home and that was it.

[Absolom]

The lowered window heights and such may be concerning to some people and I'm sure they left those.

[JennyMominFL]

I live in Olando. I've been here for 6 years. Never had an alligator in my pool or lanai, neither has anyone I know. Have I seen gators..Yes, a lot, but they are usually running away as soon as the see people. They would rather not be near people.

re the child killed at the Grand Floridian. There were signs that say to keep out of the water. Cast members told them to keep their child out of the water...but there were no alligator warnings.

Edited January 10, 2018 by JennyMominFL

[floridamom]

Hi JennyMominFL: I, too am in Orlando. We all know here if you choose to live near waterways, it's going to have a gator or two in there. I haven't seen any roaming around. It's a person's responsibility to know that you don't hang around the lakes' edge. Act responsibly. Some people don't.

[Snow8585]

Looks like their house is back on the market 1149000.

[BW Manilowe]

Bill put these 2 pics, 1 of Will & Zoey, 1 of Will & him, on his Twitter feed in about the last week. You'll notice he comments on the first pic that Zoey's hair is growing in (which is a kind of strange statement--or at least a strange way to phrase it-- unless she had some removed for some reason... medical procedure, gave herself a bad haircut, etc.). I think if you click on Will's pic in the bottom 1, hopefully you can finally see his head. He's reenacting the "Han Solo in Carbonite" scene from Return of the Jedi; Bill says something about Jabba (the Hutt) & Boba (Fett), but he's behind a thing where he puts his head in a hole & it looks like he's Princess Leia from the original movie (maybe The Empire Strikes Back, since Boba Fett's in the cutout pic near Leia).

Edited February 3, 2018 by BW Manilowe
To correct a typo.

[ginger90]

[toodles]

9 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I wonder what this is for?  Can't be the pee pads, right?

[Sew Sumi]

Apparently, it is. He hashtagged peepads. 

[SongbirdHollow]

I think the Star Wars stuff is from an app. I may or may not have become a resistance fighter. ;)

[BW Manilowe]

On 1/30/2018 at 5:19 PM, toodles said:

I wonder what this is for?  Can't be the pee pads, right?

It's for the pee pads. There are a couple of pics after the flight-related Tweets on Bill's feed where Bill (or maybe the brother doing this with him) took pics of material on conveyor belts or something. The second pic was of quilted-looking red material. Bill captioned the pic telling everybody the fire hydrants on it were red. He's on his way home, as I type.

Edited February 4, 2018 by BW Manilowe

[BW Manilowe]

Bill Tweeted this:

[BitterApple]

I hope the pee pads are a success. I actually think it's a good idea. 

[floridamom]

This is a cute idea, but I see that a dog could easily 'miss' the fire hydrant target here and urinate all over the floor anyway. Perhaps it's better for a female.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

People have not been shy about their comments of him taking the manufacturing of his pee pad to China!  Why couldn’t he make it in the USA I wonder....I agree.

[Mollysmom]

Most likely cost. It probably would cost 10 times more to manufacture here. 

[mythoughtis]

I’m sure that trying to get start up manufacturing here would make it unaffordable to buy.   Maybe when he can order enough to mass produce them.    Our stores are full with items produced in China- why  is the fact that Bill went there so unexpected?  Does Bill owe more to this country  than every other American that has their product manufactured overseas? 

I’m just glad he and his brother are pursuing the idea. 

[Snow8585]

With the large number of companies coming BACK to the U.S. due to the reduced business taxes, one would think Bill would consider keeping his business here.  Too bad he did not take Will back to visit the country he was born.

[Libby]

From day one I never bought that Bill and Jen were as altruistic as they liked to portray themselves to be. It didn't ring true.

I can see them looking out for number one, but please, spare us the saint act. That's what always bugged me about them.

As an example, they adopted kids from foreign countries because they wanted kids. They would have taken the first boy and girl they could, by any means. They weren't these saints saving kids from horrible situations out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Mindthinkr]

15 hours ago, Snow8585 said:

Too bad he did not take Will back to visit the country he was born.

As undisciplined as Will is I certainly wouldn’t be able to cope on a business trip with him going awol and not minding. Will has a strong mind of his own. He also might have reacted badly to Chinese nannies; if he was thinking that his life with the Arnold’s was over. He doesn’t seem to listen to reason. 

[humbleopinion]

Remember how he acted in Scotland and England...and with 4-5 adults trying in vain to corral him?

No way he goes on a business trip.

[BitterApple]

TLC foots the bill to bring along the extra adults as nannies. I can't see Bill spending thousands out of his own pocket to fly three or four kid-wranglers to China, especially if the trip was for business purposes only.