S23.E31: Double Eviction #2

[Melina22]

57 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

I found it suspicious that both Ky and X picked up their chalkboards before Julie announced that it was a tie at the end of the Veto comp.

I think they were just keeping track of the scores in their heads and knew they were the last two standing. Actually they wouldn't even have to keep track that hard since Julie kept announcing the scores. 

Before the comp they would have been told what would happen in case of a tie. 

[30 Helens]

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I don't think Claire will ever have any ill feelings, which frankly I don't understand.  "Why should she or any other non-member of the Cookout alliance be held accountable for the actions of others in past seasons of BB?"  That is the one question I would hope someone would ask her.

It’s because she’s not looking at it from that angle. She’s not asking herself “what did I do to deserve being voted out”, she’s deciding whether voting her out made sense for the people who did it, in terms of furthering their own games.  And clearly she recognizes that it did.

I also think it’s worth repeating that the CO did not vote out non-alliance members in order to punish them, they voted them out because they were not in their alliance. Just like every other season. This particular alliance may have formed in response to BB history, but once formed it functioned just like any other alliance. And so the people voted out are responding just like the evictees in any other season: by recognizing they got outplayed and not taking it personally.  It is, in the end, just a game.

 

[Artsda]

Wow Azah. You helped all the men pick off all the women.  Now it went to a sexist season.

[Drogo]

I get that there's not a lot of time to think during a double eviction, but truly, these people should all have a fleshed-out plan for "what if I win next HOH" at all times.   

I hate that Azah was the one who condemned Hannah and that she foolishly based the attempted-not-backdoor on some weak ass promise she made Ky last week about not putting her up. He was never putting her up.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

7 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I like him, too, but I hope he does not get AFP for the simple reason that he is so clueless and ignorant about the game. Let it go to someone who really knows and loves the game, someone who was already a fan and will feel the most validated. Tiffany, Claire and Hannah all fit the bill. Derex was a recruit. 

Wow, disagree!  Derek X. being an Asian person on an American reality show and such a beloved fan favourite is incredibly meaningful.  I very rarely see this happen on American reality shows.  Usually online it's just racism about how the Asian person looks and talks funny and just vote him/her out already.  This time I'm on social media and it's just hearts and love for Derek X. and that's amazing.  Things have changed so much.  I want Derek X. to get credit.

What would being a favourite houseguest have ANYTHING to do with knowledge of Big Brother?  Who cares!

We talk about this WRT Survivor too.  Sometimes the worst players are the superfans.  Sometimes the best players are the recruits!

What has Hannah done to become Favourite Houseguest?!

I'm trying to Google what AFP stands for and I keep getting America's Favourite Houseguest.  Why do the letters not match at all.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Drogo]

Derek X is sweet, adorable and often clueless. 

Clueless is sweet and adorable, and America's Favorite "Emma" adaptation. 

Therefore Derek X should be America's Favorite Player. 

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. 

[Cotypubby]

4 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I found it suspicious that both Ky and X picked up their chalkboards before Julie announced that it was a tie at the end of the Veto comp.

Why? Presumably they can both count to 6…

[Ms Blue Jay]

I don't think Derek X. was clueless.  So he's not a BB superfan.  You could have fooled me.  I think he's incredibly smart and was amazing at the comps, often coming from behind to win or come close to winning.  I loved watching his strategy in the comps.  For a supposed recruit I'm very impressed.

[Drogo]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I don't think Derek X. was clueless.  So he's not a BB superfan.  You could have fooled me.  I think he's incredibly smart and was amazing at the comps, often coming from behind to win or come close to winning.  I loved watching his strategy in the comps.  For a supposed recruit I'm very impressed.

Anyone who lets another player keep a $5K POV prize instead of trading their punishment- all because she says "PLEASE"- during their HOH- is clueless.  Especially if that other player is SB.

[Ms Blue Jay]

50 minutes ago, Drogo said:

Anyone who lets another player keep a $5K POV prize instead of trading their punishment- all because she says "PLEASE"- during their HOH- is clueless.  Especially if that other player is SB.

That was dumb, but I still think he's smart.  I forgive Derek X. some stuff because he's so young.  (My mind is continuously reeling learning how young all of these people are). 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Nashville]

 

 

[GeorgiaRai]

13 hours ago, North of Eden said:

The Cookout  has all but ensured another one can never form again because now that people are aware of such a thing can form they are going to be looking for it and making sure they aren't going to be a Claire and get played as an unwitting pawn.

Won't this end up in non-Black players feeling they have to avoid alliances with, and target, Black players?  I just can't imagine how that will play out, or who would be willing to use that strategy, even if there was no other way to advance.  

[Gregg247]

I think DereX deserves AFP simply because he was stuck in the jury house alone with Britini for an entire week, and then with Britini and SB for a week after that.  That man is either deaf or has the self-control of a Legend!

[JayDub1987]

10 hours ago, Sir RaiderDuck OMS said:

I interpreted it more as Azah being thoroughly sick of Tiffany's shit but being too nice to just tell her to shut the hell up. The only reason Tiffany even made it this far was everyone wanting to keep The Cookout intact. Well Tiff, you did it. Now enjoy your sixth-place finish. Nobody will miss either your smug arrogance or your ratty-ass hair extensions.

This. All of this! 

[tinkerbell]

7 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

Why?  At the end of the day it is all about one's personal beliefs.  One chooses to believe, another chooses not to believe.  Why must one choose one over the other?  She says what she says, it doesn't phase me in the least.  If she went the other way with it, it wouldn't bother me either.  She is entitled to believe what she chooses to believe and say what she wants to say.  She isn't throwing it in anyone's face and she isn't forcing anyone to believing what she believes.

When someone who hosts a show keeps bringing "god talk"  into the show, non-believers might begin to perceive the show as having a religious bent, and turn away from it.    Personal beliefs are personal.  When you host a show, you are, to some extent representing the network.   

If the hosts of Amazing Race or Survivor routinely talked about god or religion, it would change the feel of the show for some viewers.  maybe in a more positive way for some, and a negative way for others.  I don't want to think about people winning a reality show because god favors them, so for me it would have a negative impact.  With Julie, I just find it annoying.  

[North of Eden]

42 minutes ago, GeorgiaRai said:

Won't this end up in non-Black players feeling they have to avoid alliances with, and target, Black players?  I just can't imagine how that will play out, or who would be willing to use that strategy, even if there was no other way to advance.  

Yes, that could indeed be an unfortunate legacy from The Cookout. Next season ought to be very interesting.

[Ms Blue Jay]

44 minutes ago, GeorgiaRai said:

Won't this end up in non-Black players feeling they have to avoid alliances with, and target, Black players?  I just can't imagine how that will play out, or who would be willing to use that strategy, even if there was no other way to advance.  

You could have the exact same concern for white players because white players align with each other so often.  This panic is for no reason.

[Rae Spellman]

 

13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

You could have the exact same concern for white players because white players align with each other so often.  This panic is for no reason.

Yes. The motivation to work together for someone to be the second isn't as great as the motivation to work together for someone to be the first. Plus at least two members of this Cookout aligned with the group because it was the best path for them. The other members of the Cookout were as much pawns to them as the non-black players. They would have absolutely cut members of the Cookout earlier if another, better path emerged.

Tiffany let Claire go for the Cookout. X let Alyssa go to get X closer to the finish. 

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, GeorgiaRai said:

Won't this end up in non-Black players feeling they have to avoid alliances with, and target, Black players?  I just can't imagine how that will play out, or who would be willing to use that strategy, even if there was no other way to advance.  

Purely MHO but I wouldn’t expect this.  The CO was so totally mission-driven this season because (a) they were attempting to do something which had never been done in the history of BB, and (b) also for the first time in the show’s history, they had the numbers to make I a realistic possibility.  To achieve this first-ever goal, the CO members had to be unanimously willing to (and were ultimately required to) sacrifice significant individual advantages in its pursuit - and we’ve already seen some of the impact on their personal games.

So - given this context, a few considerations:

1. HGs of color in subsequent seasons will not have that “first ever” goal as a driving impetus, so they may be less willing to sacrifice their personal games in pursuit of a repeat.
2. I think it’s reasonable to expect future BB seasons to incorporate a ~50% POC casting formula (maybe more, maybe less), but I strongly doubt future POC casting will be so lopsided in favor of any one race as was this season.  IMHO it’s safe to say the CO’s challenge this season would have been much more strenuous if the POC casting hadn’t been 75% Black - but I suspect Asian and Hispanic viewers would have preferred seeing more than single-person representation, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Production considered the optics of that representation imbalance less than optimal.  So I think it’s probably a safe bet that future POC castings will be spread out (at least a little) more across multiple groups.
3. A significant advantage for the CO this season was that while individual non-CO members seemed to be floating around the edges of perception every now and then, the concept of a race-based alliance appeared well-nigh incomprehensible to the non-CO HGs until they had already been evicted.  I strongly doubt any future such alliances could count on the same perceptual blind spot across the entirety of non-member HGs.

Does this detract from future seasons awarding a POC the win?  Definitely not - but I’d suspect there’s a lot less likely chance future such crowning achievements will be attained via the workings of a single-race alliance such as the CO.  This season may have been a one-off in that respect.

[choclatechip45]

4 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Wow, disagree!  Derek X. being an Asian person on an American reality show and such a beloved fan favourite is incredibly meaningful.  I very rarely see this happen on American reality shows.  Usually online it's just racism about how the Asian person looks and talks funny and just vote him/her out already.  This time I'm on social media and it's just hearts and love for Derek X. and that's amazing.  Things have changed so much.  I want Derek X. to get credit.

What would being a favourite houseguest have ANYTHING to do with knowledge of Big Brother?  Who cares!

We talk about this WRT Survivor too.  Sometimes the worst players are the superfans.  Sometimes the best players are the recruits!

What has Hannah done to become Favourite Houseguest?!

I'm trying to Google what AFP stands for and I keep getting America's Favourite Houseguest.  Why do the letters not match at all.

I could care less about someone being a recruit vs being a superfan since like you said sometimes the worst players are superfans and the best players are recruits. But not even googling who has won the show before? That shows a lack of preparation. I am not going to vote for someone to win $25,000 who can't even google "big brother winners". 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Sure, that's your prerogative.  It just doesn't mean anything to me at all in terms of how much I enjoy someone on the show, or any show.

Also, Derek X. can Google all of the winners of BB but it won't show their race on Wikipedia.  

I clicked on Eddie McGee and nowhere does it show he's white.   Same with Lisa Donahue.  I'm not going to check all of the others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_McGee

Derek X. would not have the foresight to find out the race of every winner of BB.  He's a normal person with a normal brain so of course he'd assume through 22 seasons there'd be some Black winners.  I made the same assumption.  Why would he think to Google "Has there been a Black winner of BB before?"  He didn't know about the Cookout before they existed.

I also am not sure how finding out what the face of every BB winner in the past looks like would help Derek X in the game.  He probably didn't know how racially homogenous the majority of the winners were.  You only know that through watching every year.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[MsMalin]

Azah finally wins a comp and uses it to put a nail in her coffin. 

[candall]

About 40 seconds of excitement and possibility between Azah pulling ahead one ball over Xavier and Azah telling Hannah she was going on the block.

Five seconds of tension when there was a chance Ky would take the opportunity to chop his biggest (only) competitor.

 

Two hour show; 45 seconds of fizz.

 

Well, at least they gave me a good long look at Azah reviewing her choices.  Now go move that stupid strap over to the other side.

 

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[TimWil]

Season low demo audience rating for last night’s special two hour episode. Gee, I wonder why. 

[GeorgiaRai]

15 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Purely MHO but I wouldn’t expect this.  The CO was so totally mission-driven this season because (a) they were attempting to do something which had never been done in the history of BB, and (b) also for the first time in the show’s history, they had the numbers to make I a realistic possibility.  To achieve this first-ever goal, the CO members had to be unanimously willing to (and were ultimately required to) sacrifice significant individual advantages in its pursuit - and we’ve already seen some of the impact on their personal games.

So - given this context, a few considerations:

1. HGs of color in subsequent seasons will not have that “first ever” goal as a driving impetus, so they may be less willing to sacrifice their personal games in pursuit of a repeat.
2. I think it’s reasonable to expect future BB seasons to incorporate a ~50% POC casting formula (maybe more, maybe less), but I strongly doubt future POC casting will be so lopsided in favor of any one race as was this season.  IMHO it’s safe to say the CO’s challenge this season would have been much more strenuous if the POC casting hadn’t been 75% Black - but I suspect Asian and Hispanic viewers would have preferred seeing more than single-person representation, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Production considered the optics of that representation imbalance less than optimal.  So I think it’s probably a safe bet that future POC castings will be spread out (at least a little) more across multiple groups.
3. A significant advantage for the CO this season was that while individual non-CO members seemed to be floating around the edges of perception every now and then, the concept of a race-based alliance appeared well-nigh incomprehensible to the non-CO HGs until they had already been evicted.  I strongly doubt any future such alliances could count on the same perceptual blind spot across the entirety of non-member HGs.

Does this detract from future seasons awarding a POC the win?  Definitely not - but I’d suspect there’s a lot less likely chance future such crowning achievements will be attained via the workings of a single-race alliance such as the CO.  This season may have been a one-off in that respect.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply! 

#1. I thought that "the mission" may not be quite as compelling now that history has been made. But then again, it was a winning strategy and a great way to get to to final 6 - which is the only way to have a chance at final 2!

#2.  I do wonder how they'll handle future casting; seems like it'd be hard to justify having less Black HGs in future seasons.  I loved the make up of this years cast, but hope "equal" doesn't end up just meaning "divided".

#3.  Right - but at this point, it's hard for me to see how a white HG could successfully navigating that scenario ("successfully" meaning avoiding real-life accusations/assumptions about actively playing solely against POC because they are in an assumed or known alliance) ("scenario" meaning... "scenarios").  

It will be interesting (& hopefully encouraging) to see how it plays out long term.

[tinkerbell]

1 hour ago, choclatechip45 said:

I could care less about someone being a recruit vs being a superfan since like you said sometimes the worst players are superfans and the best players are recruits. But not even googling who has won the show before? That shows a lack of preparation. I am not going to vote for someone to win $25,000 who can't even google "big brother winners". 

Derek X might very well have googled previous winners, strategies, alliances, watched videos, etc, and still not realize that there hasn't been a black winner.  

[iMonrey]

Every evicted player tells Julie they wouldn't have done anything differently. But on some level, I would hope that Tiffany, Hannah and (inevitably) Azah realize that while the Cookout may have gotten them to the final six, it ultimately diminished their chances of actually winning. Keeping comp beasts like Kyland and Xavier just to insure a final six finish means the odds of making the final 2 go way, way down. 

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Why is it that  year after year one player is surrounded by people that basically escort them to the confetti?

It's a question that begs an answer year after year. I think there is just a natural tendency to flock around the most magnetic, strongest players in hopes they will further your own game, and simultaneously be a shield you can hide behind. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

I hate admitting this, but this episode proved what a good game Kyland and X. are playing.  I will forever sigh at Azah's decision making here, but Kyland manipulated her into it.  Still her fault, but he had to make those moves and plant those seeds.

Hannah certainly saw through all of this, but Hannah and Tiffany were not effectual against it.  They would need Azah to be as committed to the mini-alliance as Derek F. was to the guys.  Also, for Azah not to be so stupid.  Sigh.  Sigh.  Sigh.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[choclatechip45]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Sure, that's your prerogative.  It just doesn't mean anything to me at all in terms of how much I enjoy someone on the show, or any show.

Also, Derek X. can Google all of the winners of BB but it won't show their race on Wikipedia.  

I clicked on Eddie McGee and nowhere does it show he's white.   Same with Lisa Donahue.  I'm not going to check all of the others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_McGee

Derek X. would not have the foresight to find out the race of every winner of BB.  He's a normal person with a normal brain so of course he'd assume through 22 seasons there'd be some Black winners.  I made the same assumption.  Why would he think to Google "Has there been a Black winner of BB before?"  He didn't know about the Cookout before they existed.

I also am not sure how finding out what the face of every BB winner in the past looks like would help Derek X in the game.  He probably didn't know how racially homogenous the majority of the winners were.  You only know that through watching every year.

I googled big brother winners and got a photo of every winner from 1-20. BB21 had a ton of racial issues and Cody. I like Derek X and I am glad that he is popular since Asians are receiving so much unnecessary racist attacks right now. I am just frustrated with how little preparation he did before going on the show. 

[watch2much]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I hate admitting this, but this episode proved what a good game Kyland and X. are playing.  I will forever sigh at Azah's decision making here, but Kyland manipulated her into it.  Still her fault, but he had to make those moves and plant those seeds.

Hannah certainly saw through all of this, but Hannah and Tiffany were not effectual against it.  They would need Azah to be as committed to the mini-alliance as Derek F. was to the guys.  Also, for Azah not to be so stupid.  Sigh.  Sigh.  Sigh.

I hope Azah isn't thinking a secondary win for her will be a relationship with X.  To me it seems pretty clear he's got the hots for Alyssa.

[30 Helens]

7 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

What would being a favourite houseguest have ANYTHING to do with knowledge of Big Brother?  Who cares!

Technically, knowledge of the game has nothing to do with being a “favorite”, you’re right. And being a recruit doesn’t mean you can’t be knowledgeable or a good player, so I concede that, too. But my preferred winner is not someone who is merely charming or nice. It’s someone who understands the game and played it well. And I just don’t think Derex did either. Charming? Yes. Nice? Very much so. Smart? Probably, but not in the game.

I think of AFP as a way for America to reward a player they think did well and deserved to go farther, but got screwed by fate or whatever along the way. Of course they should also be likeable because who wants to reward a jerk, no matter how game savvy. By that criteria, I think Tiffany and Hannah are both worthy. (I’m judging Hannah by what I saw on feeds, because she was not portrayed well on episodes. And I know many people don’t like Tiffany, but I do.) I was stretching it a bit to include Claire, because while extremely likeable, she was not a great player. Not a bad one, though, and did deserve to go farther. Derex, while likeable, was a terrible player, and even after mulling things over in jury for weeks, he still doesn’t understand the game he was in.

That’s why I wouldn’t vote for Derex. But I never vote for these things anyway, so it’s fair to say my opinion is like a cow’s. (It’s moo.)

[30 Helens]

7 hours ago, Drogo said:

Derek X is sweet, adorable and often clueless. 

Clueless is sweet and adorable, and America's Favorite "Emma" adaptation. 

Therefore Derek X should be America's Favorite Player. 

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. 

If I may:

Derek X is sweet, adorable and often clueless. 

Clueless is sweet and adorable, and America's Favorite "Emma" adaptation. 

”Emma” is America’s most popular Jane Austen book.

Travis is from Austin, Texas.

Therefore Travis should be America’s favorite player.

Go Longhorns?

[Eolivet]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

But on some level, I would hope that Tiffany, Hannah and (inevitably) Azah realize that while the Cookout may have gotten them to the final six, it ultimately diminished their chances of actually winning.

I sort of disagree with this. If anything, it saved us from the "trying desperately not to be racist" justifications for voting out Black women on reality TV ("they're so intelligent! They're such a threat!") I didn't enjoy Tiffany and Hannah getting voted out, but at least "we don't trust you" or "we like the guys better" or "you're annoying" were honest reasons versus "golly gee, you're just sooooo good, I couldn't let you win."

When Sarah Beth wanted to target Hannah that one week for being "so smart" and "knowing so much about the game," that was one thing I'm glad the Cookout snuffed out. The patting yourself on the back for "getting rid of a threat" when white women are pretty much never seen as being "too intelligent" or "too much of a threat."

Maybe it's me, but I'm glad Tiffany and Hannah went out to the Cookout sub-alliance with their middle fingers (metaphorically) raised versus being evicted by a Derek X/Claire/SB/whoever conglomerate that would've gone over the top about how awesome they were, to make themselves feel better.

[Hanahope]

Another F2 sausage fest, probably F3 too.

[Skyfall]

19 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I hate to admit it, but me too.

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they decided to do the first double eviction this season?

It's a small, tiny, miniscule group of some Millennials and Gen Z.   Not a cross section of the entire population!

I think you mean first back to back double eviction and that's because they wanted to do a triple last night but changed plans so the CO could have their victory lap.

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, GeorgiaRai said:

Thanks for your thoughtful reply! 

#1. I thought that "the mission" may not be quite as compelling now that history has been made. But then again, it was a winning strategy and a great way to get to to final 6 - which is the only way to have a chance at final 2!

Not to diminish the sizable amount of work the CO folk put in, but a significant factor in their F6 success was simply that nobody saw an alliance like this coming. Julie stated as much last night when she congratulated them - not just on account of the CO’s guaranteeing its mission, but on being the first 6-person alliance to ever make it to F6 intact. That in and of itself was a rarity which likely won’t be repeated any time soon.

 

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#2.  I do wonder how they'll handle future casting; seems like it'd be hard to justify having less Black HGs in future seasons.  I loved the make up of this years cast, but hope "equal" doesn't end up just meaning "divided".

How does “less Black HGs” balance with more Asian HGs, and/or more Hispanic HGs?  That’s going to be an inherent problem with any quota system such as the 50% POC guideline; subgroups within the quota may feel marginalized.

 

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#3.  Right - but at this point, it's hard for me to see how a white HG could successfully navigating that scenario ("successfully" meaning avoiding real-life accusations/assumptions about actively playing solely against POC because they are in an assumed or known alliance) ("scenario" meaning... "scenarios").

That is the one thing which concerns me about the quota system.  In a way the cluelessness of this season’s non-CO HGs may have worked for them, because they never had to address on-screen what could potentially be a very significant - and personally explosive - question: if I recognize a racially-based alliance is targeting me, will actively working to oppose them and save my game be perceived IRL as racist?

We actually saw a little of this in the Britini/DX/SB conversation in the JH immediately before the arrival of Claire and Alyssa.  Without knowing its name the three of them had worked out the CO’s existence and it’s membership roster, and recognized its significance; at that point, though, they all immediately started hemming and hawing - communicating with broken sentences and head jerks - and why?  Because they were all afraid of being crucified IRL or on SM for simply acknowledging the existence of a racial component to this season - and given the nature of SM, it’s difficult to fault them for that concern.

 

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It will be interesting (& hopefully encouraging) to see how it plays out long term.

The current 50% POC formula was a good first step, but IMHO it doesn’t go far enough:

1. If you’re going to implement a racial quota system, then DON’T make it 50% one race and 50% everything else - make it even across the board.  If TPTB intend to stick with the 4 races/ethnicities already identified, then cast for 25% each - 4 Whites, 4 Blacks, 4 Asians, and 4 Hispanics.  
2. Heck, I’d take it a step further: trim one off each, and split the resulting 4 “trims” into two sets of 2. THEN you could cast for something like (for example) 3 Whites, 3 Blacks, 3 Asians, 3 Hispanics, 2 AI/ANs, and 2 Pacific Islanders.

….and NOW you have a truly diverse cast within which racial biases are diluted as a strategic component, and interdependent gameplay is strongly encouraged (if not required).

Edited September 17, 2021 by Nashville
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[Callaphera]

5 hours ago, Gregg247 said:

I think DereX deserves AFP simply because he was stuck in the jury house alone with Britini for an entire week, and then with Britini and SB for a week after that.  That man is either deaf or has the self-control of a Legend!

So the jurors don't actually spend a lot of time alone together - each juror has a handler that is with them at all times to prevent game talk from happening. The only time game talk is allowed is when the cameras are present in the jury house (which is only for a segment or two a week, not every hour like the Big Brother House). There have, of course, been times that the handlers have been shit and either let the HGs escape to go sing karaoke, couldn't keep their eyes on their own cell phones, or could do nothing to prevent it like last season's triple eviction where they stayed up to the wee hours of the morning discussing it. So for the most part, Derex hasn't been alone with Britini - he's been with his handler, Britini's handler, and Britini.

Also Netflix. It probably helps.

 

8 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

What would being a favourite houseguest have ANYTHING to do with knowledge of Big Brother?  Who cares?

A lot of us. Just like some people don't care (like you), some people do (like me).

Personally, I think Derex played a game with a lot of mistakes. As I value gameplay over personality, it would take Derex out of running for my AFP vote(s). Some people value personality. I'm not usually one of them. But it's just a silly popularity vote in the end. Sometimes the fans use it to make a point, like when BB16's Donny or BB21's Precious Cinnamon Roll Nicole Anthony won AFP. Sometimes they don't and just vote their favourite. Sometimes the broadcast only fans end up winning the vote, sometimes the feeds fans win the vote. In the end, it doesn't mean anything other than some extra prize money and occasionally another invite to another season (and we usually end up hating them the second time around - hi James Huling!).

[30 Helens]

57 minutes ago, Nashville said:

The current 50% POC formula was a good first step, but IMHO it doesn’t go far enough:

1. If you’re going to implement a racial quota system, then DON’T make it 50% one race and 50% everything else - make it even across the board.  If TPTB intend to stick with the 4 races/ethnicities already identified, then cast for 25% each - 4 Whites, 4 Blacks, 4 Asians, and 4 Hispanics.  
2. Heck, I’d take it a step further: trim one off each, and split the resulting 4 “trims” into two sets of 2. THEN you could cast for something like (for example) 3 Whites, 3 Blacks, 3 Asians, 3 Hispanics, 2 AI/ANs, and 2 Pacific Islanders.

….and NOW you have a truly diverse cast within which racial biases are diluted as a strategic component, and interdependent gameplay is strongly encouraged (if not required).

Yes! I would love to see this, but casting is too lazy to think that far beyond the mandates. (Also, I was just about to post something along these lines, but you did it better and also saved me a lot of typing, so thanks.)

[blixie]

Yeah we definitely need maximum quotas of any particular race rather than equal minimums of whatever the top 4 racial groups on the census are. I also want more Steve and Ians and Dereks than Kyland X Travis and Christian and to stop having comps that inherently favor certain genders and body types. All crapshoots all the time!

I don't think Big Brother a game that is not about survival of the fittest should have comps that demand being young and fit. Like you can still cast a lot of them and not actively aid them in winning comps.

[Nashville]

45 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

Yes! I would love to see this, but casting is too lazy to think that far beyond the mandates. (Also, I was just about to post something along these lines, but you did it better and also saved me a lot of typing, so thanks.)

Well, then… somebody tell Production to READ THE DAMN FORUMS!!!  😆

[Wandering Snark]

8 hours ago, candall said:

Well, at least they gave me a good long look at Azah reviewing her choices.  Now go move that stupid strap over to the other side.

Thank you. I can't say how much this has annoyed me. I bet she wears a fanny pack shoulder to hip as well.

[perfectstorm]

6 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Personally, I think Derex played a game with a lot of mistakes. As I value gameplay over personality, it would take Derex out of running for my AFP vote(s). Some people value personality. I'm not usually one of them. But it's just a silly popularity vote in the end. Sometimes the fans use it to make a point, like when BB16's Donny or BB21's Precious Cinnamon Roll Nicole Anthony won AFP. Sometimes they don't and just vote their favourite. Sometimes the broadcast only fans end up winning the vote, sometimes the feeds fans win the vote. In the end, it doesn't mean anything other than some extra prize money and occasionally another invite to another season (and we usually end up hating them the second time around - hi James Huling!).

What HG wouldn't want to be voted by the viewers as their favorite???  The prize money will likely go up this year, since the winner's pay day is.   You can have the greatest game play, but viewers aren't going to vote for a HG if they are unlikable.  And a big part of BB is having some kind of social game. 

For the record, the AFP wins by James Huling and Da'vonne Rodgers are historic.  Unfortunately, neither an Asian male or African American female has ever won BB.

And where are you getting that America hated James when he came back?  Because he was in the Top 3 for AFP the next year.

Edited September 18, 2021 by tealeaves

[Callaphera]

30 minutes ago, tealeaves said:

And where are you getting that America hated James when he came back?  Because he was in the Top 3 for AFP the next year.

You're right, he did finish in the top 3 again in his second season, I forgot about that. I think the feed watchers were less into James than the broadcast viewers the second time around and sometimes I forget to make the distinction between them (I actually thought this post was in the Live Feed thread for some reason, that'll teach me to check titles). It was his after BB18 shenanigans that caused overall opinion to change. Nicole Anthony was definitely a better example as she managed to do it all to herself in the house by defending Jackson the next season. I just can never miss an opportunity to point out how much of a piece of shit James Huling is and got a little excited at another chance to drag him.

 

35 minutes ago, tealeaves said:

For the record, the AFP wins by James Huling and Da'vonne Rodgers are historic.

I'm not disputing or diminishing that or saying that HGs shouldn't feel good about their win. Those were both historic wins. I literally said that for my vote, I value gameplay above personality - or more accurately, a combination of the two. You can quibble about my use of "just" and "silly" to describe the prize (I thought the IMO wasn't needed but I guess it was) but it is a $25K prize versus $750K (there's been no indication that the prize money is going up for AFP but I hope it does though it'll probably only be $50K if it does, that's still a $700K difference) - that feels both "just" and "silly" to me. A fan voted prize is great and may mean more to the person that wins it, especially when it's a historic win like those you listed above, but it really feels like a consolation prize to the main prize, especially when it's over in a blink-and-you-miss-it segment (Nicole Anthony's win took 40 seconds to announce and she got about twenty seconds to say thank you, Da'Vonne's win took 22 seconds but the video cut out and I can't remember how much time she got after).

[GonnahearmeRoar]

I quit watching this season not very interested to watch the dvr taping - thanks for catching me up. 

[perfectstorm]

6 hours ago, Callaphera said:

You're right, he did finish in the top 3 again in his second season, I forgot about that. I think the feed watchers were less into James than the broadcast viewers the second time around and sometimes I forget to make the distinction between them (I actually thought this post was in the Live Feed thread for some reason, that'll teach me to check titles). It was his after BB18 shenanigans that caused overall opinion to change. Nicole Anthony was definitely a better example as she managed to do it all to herself in the house by defending Jackson the next season. I just can never miss an opportunity to point out how much of a piece of shit James Huling is and got a little excited at another chance to drag him.

 

I'm not disputing or diminishing that or saying that HGs shouldn't feel good about their win. Those were both historic wins. I literally said that for my vote, I value gameplay above personality - or more accurately, a combination of the two. You can quibble about my use of "just" and "silly" to describe the prize (I thought the IMO wasn't needed but I guess it was) but it is a $25K prize versus $750K (there's been no indication that the prize money is going up for AFP but I hope it does though it'll probably only be $50K if it does, that's still a $700K difference) - that feels both "just" and "silly" to me. A fan voted prize is great and may mean more to the person that wins it, especially when it's a historic win like those you listed above, but it really feels like a consolation prize to the main prize, especially when it's over in a blink-and-you-miss-it segment (Nicole Anthony's win took 40 seconds to announce and she got about twenty seconds to say thank you, Da'Vonne's win took 22 seconds but the video cut out and I can't remember how much time she got after).

No one is claiming that the AFP prize takes precedence over the winner,  Geeze.   But the APF winner gets a lot more media coverage - other than the winner, some times more than the 2nd place finisher.  And they certainly get more money than the rest of the HGs.

If DX wins, it means that the AFP winner, the 1st and 2nd place finishers will all be POC.  If APF is some silly throw away prize, we wouldn't be talking about it.

Edited September 18, 2021 by tealeaves

[Ms Blue Jay]

20 hours ago, TimWil said:

Season low demo audience rating for last night’s special two hour episode. Gee, I wonder why. 

Wikipedia says that the ratings were not at all a season low.

The Season low would be Episode 8.  Where did you get the information?

[yanksno1]

Derek X sure is lucky to be in the jury house with those lady's!

I don't think they needed a 2 hour ep for this one, there was a ton of filler here.

Was it just my "recording" or was Julie's mic off the entire night? When they had the music overlay and her talking, it was very low and the music was loud. Everything else just fine. Then in the Bleep comp they had a space there for a score, but never showed it! Would have been nice to see the score where everybody was. Producing was lacking this ep.

[JayDub1987]

On 9/18/2021 at 11:48 AM, yanksno1 said:

Derek X sure is lucky to be in the jury house with those lady's!

 

Sarcasm? Because if not, we can roll through the list of the women in there with him to uncover why it's not exactly a bachelor's utopia in there. 

[peachmangosteen]

Derex loves Tiffany, Claire, and Hannah and they all love him and each other, so I imagine those 4 are having a really great week.