Jeopardy! Season 38 (2021-2022)

[GreekGeek]

5 hours ago, ByaNose said:

When is the Tournament of Champions? How many players start in the field? I’ve seen it many times but I forget the who , what, when & where part? LOL!!!!

November 2022.

Fifteen players start out: the professors' tourney winner, the college tourney winner, and 13 from regular games. Here are the current standings.

When the contestants missed "bray" and "chez" right off the bat, I feared the game would be a dud, but it wasn't. I wondered if they would have accepted "melee" instead of "fray" or "psychology" without specifying "clinical." I also knew Jill Biden because I remembered the flap over her calling herself "doctor" when she isn't an M.D.

I got FJ but thought it was kind of obscure, not the sort of thing most people would know if they aren't myth buffs. A movie buff might remember that Castor and Pollux Troy were the baddies in the Travolta/Cage movie Face/Off. Agamemnon and Menelaus wasn't a bad guess; Achilles and Aeschylus was. Aeschylus was not mythic! 

[ams1001]

7 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I thought both readings were flat. 

That's actually why it made me laugh. If she had gone for an impression I would have rolled my eyes.

[Mindthinkr]

1 hour ago, GreekGeek said:

I wondered if they would have accepted "melee" instead of "fray"

No I don’t think so, because the questions had to rhyme with the word day. 

[Katy M]

36 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

No I don’t think so, because the questions had to rhyme with the word day. 

I think melee does rhyme with day.

[ams1001]

8 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

You'd think the alto sax would be the bigger sax. I lugged a tenor sax home from school one day. The music teacher wanted me (a flute player!) to try it out. It was so darn heavy...no idea how I made it home. Went back to the flute the next day!

My friend's daughter, who at 18 now is barely over 5 feet tall, started playing the sax at 12. The thing was almost as big as she was.

[illdoc]

I'm surprised at the TS of "bray". No one even guessed "neigh" (wrong, but a reasonable wrong guess)!

[Trey]

I guessed neigh.  Doesn't that rhyme with day?

No FJ for me.  I was among the "Jason and ________" group. Just recently I had watched part of the movie but that was no help at all.

[Welshman in Ca]

10 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

I said the same thing, sorta. "Jason and, and, and, one of the Argonauts!". But yeah, we must be getting smarter (most of the time 😆).

I just said Jason and his best friend.

[Cotypubby]

2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

No I don’t think so, because the questions had to rhyme with the word day. 

Melee does rhyme with day...

I didn't get "bray" either because that was the first clue read in that category and I had no idea that it had to rhyme with "day." Did Mayim say that when she first read the category names? If she did, I didn't remember it by the time the category was chosen and I bet the players didn't either. The category just said something about rhyming so I thought it was one of their regular "the answers must rhyming words" categories and was trying to figure out how to best say "donkey honk" so that it rhymed when the time was up.

[ams1001]

25 minutes ago, Cotypubby said:

I didn't get "bray" either because that was the first clue read in that category and I had no idea that it had to rhyme with "day." Did Mayim say that when she first read the category names? If she did, I didn't remember it by the time the category was chosen and I bet the players didn't either. The category just said something about rhyming so I thought it was one of their regular "the answers must rhyming words" categories and was trying to figure out how to best say "donkey honk" so that it rhymed when the time was up.

She did but it didn't fully click in my head until after the first clue. I was pretty much thinking the same way you were; I knew it was supposed to rhyme but hadn't really processed with what. Then I was like, "oh yeah, rhymes with day!"

[Clanstarling]

15 hours ago, Katy M said:

I got the missedclues of Samuel Johnson, Yellow Sea, bray,chez, Jill Biden, Martin Luther King, clinical psychology, Berlin and Celeste Ng.

I got Biden and King, and amazingly Celeste Ng. A cover of one of her books appeared in my mind, with the name (but not the title). So weird!

12 hours ago, Bastet said:

I almost ran the entire first round, but I couldn't think of Samuel Johnson and I'd never heard of/seen Dr. Teeth (the only Muppets I watched as a kid were the ones on Sesame Street).

I assumed he's a new character on Sesame Street, given that my kids watched it and that character wasn't in it - and Ryan's immediate response (given that his son probably watched it more recently)

11 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

My FJ answer was “Jason and… who’s another argonaut?”

Same here, the only other name that came to mind was Paris - and I knew that was VERY wrong.

11 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

You'd think the alto sax would be the bigger sax. I lugged a tenor sax home from school one day. The music teacher wanted me (a flute player!) to try it out. It was so darn heavy...no idea how I made it home. Went back to the flute the next day!

I never continued with music, mostly because I hated lugging stuff around (still do - I try to travel with just a backpack if I can manage it). If I'd chosen an instrument, it probably would have been a piccolo. 🤣

1 hour ago, Trey said:

I guessed neigh.  Doesn't that rhyme with day?

It does, but a donkey doesn't neigh - it's definitely a bray. Used to get woken up by them - a neigh wouldn't have woken me up, but the blasted brays did.

[zapper]

6 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

...

I assumed he's a new character on Sesame Street, given that my kids watched it and that character wasn't in it - and Ryan's immediate response (given that his son probably watched it more recently)

...

Dr. Teeth and The Electric Mayhem was the house band on the Muppet show back in the 70's. Animal on drums, Floyd on bass, Janice on guitar and backup vocals, Zoot on sax.

Their version of "Tenderly" ranks among my favourite.

[proserpina65]

So I only ran 2 categories last night (Sound Up and Anthropology) but didn't miss more than one clue in the rest.  My TS gets were Jill Biden, Samuel Johnson, bray, chez, midden and psychology, although I didn't say clinical psychology so I'm not sure it that one would've counted.  If I'd been paying attention and heard the entire clue, I might've gotten Celeste Ng, but the picture meant nothing to me.  And I did the same thing Stephanie did with the Wuthering Heights clue, said the wrong Bronte.  I tend to have trouble remembering which one wrote it and which one wrote Jane Eyre.  I should've guessed Berlin for that D-Day clue, but "oddly" didn't resonate enough with me, maybe if it had said "ironically" instead?

I got FJ but it was a wild-ass guess based on the constellation Gemini.  I would've bet everything on Greek Mythology.  I even said aloud that it would probably be the one thing from Greek mythology that I didn't know, and it kinda was.  I'm familiar with story of Jason and the Golden Fleece but couldn't have named any other Argonauts.  Or, at least, I didn't think I could until I took that wild guess.

I'm sorry to see Ryan go, but he had a good run and I'm glad that he won a lot of money.  It seemed like he gotten beaten on the buzzer a lot last night.

The new champ seems fine, though.

15 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

Then, watching him in DJ, I just felt he was holding back. Maybe he'd had it? Was exhausted & ready to go home?

 I think Stephanie and Ryan were just faster on the buzzer than a lot of his previous competitors.

15 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Grumpy Cat was a girl. 

Yes, indeed.

13 hours ago, secnarf said:

Not to start a whole Barry/Berry thing again, but that's how I have always heard it pronounced (without the first L), and I have treated patients with it.

Interesting.  I've only ever heard salmonella pronounced with the first L (as opposed to salmon the fish without it) but then I don't think I've ever heard it said out loud except on the nightly news when there's an outbreak.

13 hours ago, Bastet said:

since he's a man, I didn't have to endure a bunch of complaining every time he won another game (or sighed, or made a conservative wager, or wore an item of clothing), so his run was quite pleasant.

People have complained about male champions for things like this and will again, although maybe not the clothes thing so much.  I'll confess to noticing particularly ugly ties, though.  (Matt Amodio being the most recent example for me.)  It's not just female contestants.  It was nice that Ryan didn't get that, though.

[proserpina65]

3 hours ago, Katy M said:

I think melee does rhyme with day.

It does.  It's pronounced may-lay.

39 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I assumed he's a new character on Sesame Street, given that my kids watched it and that character wasn't in it - and Ryan's immediate response (given that his son probably watched it more recently)

Dr. Teeth was on The Muppet Show.  If he'd been on Sesame Street, I wouldn't have gotten it as I've never actually seen that show.  I did, however, faithfully view The Muppet Show when it was originally on.

[chessiegal]

2 hours ago, Cotypubby said:

Did Mayim say that when she first read the category names?

The category was:

Quote

IT'S RHYMING DAY

(Mayim: Each response rhymes with "day".)

[PBnJay]

1 hour ago, Clanstarling said:

It does, but a donkey doesn't neigh - it's definitely a bray. Used to get woken up by them - a neigh wouldn't have woken me up, but the blasted brays did.

My neighbors had a donkey for a while, and when I first heard it I thought for sure someone was being murdered at the next farm.

That would have been hilarious if New Champion Meteorologist Eric had been the weather guy doing the "emergency" weather report that preempted yesterday's game here.

[HyeChaps]

I was also disappointed that Ryan was not on during Ken hosting. 
 

Is it the deal that Mayim hosts TOC?

Edited June 7, 2022 by HyeChaps
Left out an important word

[ams1001]

8 minutes ago, HyeChaps said:

Is it the deal that Mayim hosts TOC?

She was supposed to be the primetime specials host, wasn't she? I didn't think that included the regular syndicated tournaments. But who knows, now? I hope it's Ken (or get Buzzy to do it again...I thought he was great).

[Clanstarling]

7 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

She was supposed to be the primetime specials host, wasn't she? I didn't think that included the regular syndicated tournaments. But who knows, now? I hope it's Ken (or get Buzzy to do it again...I thought he was great).

I thought Buzzy did great too, though I want Ken as regular host.

[SomeTameGazelle]

6 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

She was supposed to be the primetime specials host, wasn't she? I didn't think that included the regular syndicated tournaments. But who knows, now? I hope it's Ken (or get Buzzy to do it again...I thought he was great).

Loved Buzzy, but he's on The Chase now so he may not be free or available. 

[PBnJay]

25 minutes ago, SomeTameGazelle said:

Loved Buzzy, but he's on The Chase now so he may not be free or available. 

Although Ken did both when he was a Chaser, plus now with five Chasers, each might MIGHT get two turns at most. The Chaser Lounge doesn't even have enough chairs for the ones not chasing during that game. I must add that Buzzy is my new tv boyfriend, as posted in The Chase thread. So would love to see him on J! too.

[South]

24 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I thought Buzzy did great too, though I want Ken as regular host.

Buzzy was my tip-top choice.  I’m now sorry to say that I wasn’t thrilled about the notion of Ken coming aboard, though I saw the writing on the wall.  However, I’ve been nothing but happy with his hosting.  He really does seem cut out for this gig, and I’m always pleased to see him return following a leave.  That’s no slam to Mayim.  She’s simply a different sort.

[Bastet]

2 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

People have complained about male champions for things like this and will again, although maybe not the clothes thing so much.  I'll confess to noticing particularly ugly ties, though.  (Matt Amodio being the most recent example for me.)  It's not just female contestants. 

Of course not, but it's more frequent and more intense with women.  Just like in every other sphere of life.

[South]

1 minute ago, PBnJay said:

Although Ken did both when he was a Chaser, plus now with five Chasers, each might MIGHT get two turns at most. The Chaser Lounge doesn't even have enough chairs for the ones not chasing during that game. I must add that Buzzy is my new tv boyfriend, as posted in The Chase thread. So would love to see him on J! too.

Whoa!!  Just one minute there, PBnJay, Buzzy has been my tv beau for years!  

[South]

45 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

She was supposed to be the primetime specials host, wasn't she? I didn't think that included the regular syndicated tournaments. But who knows, now? I hope it's Ken (or get Buzzy to do it again...I thought he was great).

[South]

Just now, South said:

45 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

She was supposed to be the primetime specials host, wasn't she? I didn't think that included the regular syndicated tournaments. But who knows, now? I hope it's Ken (or get Buzzy to do it again...I thought he was great).

I’ve had a feeling, for a good while now, that the announcement that she would host only primetime specials went out the window the as dust settled after MR was shown the door.  I figure that at that point, maybe MB and KJ saw openings to assert their actual more “perfect scenarios” for host scheduling.  I don’t seek out insider news on the matter, though.  At least not since I stopped digging around to get the scoop on the possibility of Buzzy being chosen.

[South]

10 minutes ago, South said:

55 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

She was supposed to be the primetime specials host, wasn't she? I didn't think that included the regular syndicated tournaments. But who knows, now? I hope it's Ken (or get Buzzy to do it again...I thought he was great).

I didn’t type this.  I was submitting a reply to it, though, at the same moment.  

[Clanstarling]

1 hour ago, South said:

Buzzy was my tip-top choice.  I’m now sorry to say that I wasn’t thrilled about the notion of Ken coming aboard, though I saw the writing on the wall.  However, I’ve been nothing but happy with his hosting.  He really does seem cut out for this gig, and I’m always pleased to see him return following a leave.  That’s no slam to Mayim.  She’s simply a different sort.

Buzzy was my first choice for quite a while, but then Ken took over a longer gig (I think) and the host gig just fit him like a glove. So he's my tip top favorite, with Buzzy next in line.

My husband said MB is like a marriage going bad - at first it's okay, not great maybe, but ok. Then the little annoyances get worse and worse until it's all you can see.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Clanstarling

[HyeChaps]

Don’t forget that Mayim’s sitcom has been renewed. 

[illdoc]

WARNING for those who are in the Chicago area (watching via Channel 7) and recording it----they are showing YESTERDAY'S (Monday's) Jeopardy. No idea when/if today's episode will air. (Will edit this message if it switches over to the correct episode)

[SyracuseMug]

4 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I got FJ but it was a wild-ass guess based on the constellation Gemini.  I would've bet everything on Greek Mythology.  I even said aloud that it would probably be the one thing from Greek mythology that I didn't know, and it kinda was.  I'm familiar with story of Jason and the Golden Fleece but couldn't have named any other Argonauts.  Or, at least, I didn't think I could until I took that wild guess.

I got it pretty quickly because I knew that Castor and Pollux were twins whose sister was Helen of Troy. She in turn was married to Menelaus (King of Sparta) before Paris abducted her.

Greek mythology is also one of my strongest subjects, though like you, I’m a little rusty when it comes to remembering all of the Argonauts. 🙂

[TakomaSnark]

20 hours ago, laredhead said:

I really wanted Ryan to break the $300,000 mark.  He looked tired today.  He has spoken about how tight his finances are, and contestants do not get their winnings until their run is over.  Maybe flights and hotel stays are taking their toll on his checking account.  Will be interesting to see how he fares in the TOC.

20 hours ago, 853fisher said:

I think with the consolation prize he hit $300,400.  I was thinking about that milestone too.

I recall reading (somewhere I thought was credible, although I can't tell you where) that Ken was given an advance on his winnings.  I don't know whether they'd consider that for a shorter run, whether it was offered or had to be requested, etc.  But I would like to think the staff would be proactive.  The show will fly you back if you're a returning champion (not sure about lodgings) but of course he would been without his regular earnings anyway.  So in a way he may be breathing a sigh of relief.

While the show doesn't pay for the initial travel expenses, if you are a returning champ, the flight at least is taken care of by Jeopardy!. So fortunately, Ryan's first flight should have been the only one that he had to pay for out of pocket. For the TOC, all travel/lodging is provided by the show.

During Ken's (regular season) run, as I understand it, this was *not* the policy and that is what precipitated his receiving an advance.

[ByaNose]

10 hours ago, GreekGeek said:

November 2022.

Fifteen players start out: the professors' tourney winner, the college tourney winner, and 13 from regular games. Here are the current standings.

When the contestants missed "bray" and "chez" right off the bat, I feared the game would be a dud, but it wasn't. I wondered if they would have accepted "melee" instead of "fray" or "psychology" without specifying "clinical." I also knew Jill Biden because I remembered the flap over her calling herself "doctor" when she isn't an M.D.

I got FJ but thought it was kind of obscure, not the sort of thing most people would know if they aren't myth buffs. A movie buff might remember that Castor and Pollux Troy were the baddies in the Travolta/Cage movie Face/Off. Agamemnon and Menelaus wasn't a bad guess; Achilles and Aeschylus was. Aeschylus was not mythic! 

Thanks and duly noted.

[illdoc]

Chicago area viewers---during the 4pm news, they acknowledged that they aired the wrong episode today. Today's (Tuesday) episode will air at 3:07 am.

[secnarf]

17 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

You'd think the alto sax would be the bigger sax. I lugged a tenor sax home from school one day. The music teacher wanted me (a flute player!) to try it out. It was so darn heavy...no idea how I made it home. Went back to the flute the next day!

Alto is higher pitched than tenor, and higher pitched instruments tend to be smaller. 
Size was also a major factor in why I went with alto sax over tenor sax. The alto was bad enough to lug around!

I spent wayyyyyy too much time on that clue wondering if they wanted the type of sax, or if all they were asking for was saxophone (which seemed way too easy). 

[annzeepark914]

2 minutes ago, secnarf said:

Alto is higher pitched than tenor, and higher pitched instruments tend to be smaller. 

So, in singers, isn't a tenor's voice slightly higher than an alto's?  It's always surprised me how high tenors' voices can go (w/o falsetto).

[secnarf]

3 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

So, in singers, isn't a tenor's voice slightly higher than an alto's?  It's always surprised me how high tenors' voices can go (w/o falsetto).

No, alto is higher pitched than tenor though there is some overlap. 
Alto is the lowest “female” pitch and tenor the highest “male pitch”,  but alto is still higher than tenor overall. 

[Browncoat]

Catching up from last night -- I did not get FJ, although I should have, since I'm a Gemini!  I did not know that Castor and Pollux were Argonauts.

But I did get the TS of Yellow Sea, bray, Dr. Jill Biden, Armour, Celeste Ng, and midden.

This game would have been the perfect time for Ryan to have bet zero for FJ.  If New Champ had missed, Ryan would have won again -- and at the very least, he would have come in second.

[ams1001]

June 7:

Started out the J! round kinda slowish, missing three in Spanning the Globe and two texting abbreviations, but then ran The Cabinet, Farm to Table, and Writers, and missed one Dear-Pourri, for 80%.

Not so great in the second round…ran Deer-Pourri but missed 2-3 in everything else for 63%. Had a few good guesses in there, though.

I got FJ but I had no idea who wrote the 2013 book (though I did think of The Da Vinci Code, which made no sense, I forgot he wrote one called Inferno). I was just going by what they were likely referring to from the 1300s.

Got the missed clues of Tell Me More, Dear White People, Department of the Interior (DD), Glen (DD, and a total guess), and lion.

I liked Michael. His quizzically-serious expression waiting for her to tell him if his clearly incorrect FJ answer was right or not made me laugh. Also he reminds me of someone, though I can't quite put my finger on who.

Pretty sure I would have gotten it anyway, but the California state flag question was easy because I saw this recently...

Edited June 7, 2022 by ams1001

[Browncoat]

I went to the Canterbury Tales tonight, too, but knew The Handmaid's Tale was way before 2013.  I've never read any of Dan Brown's books (and I'm not going to, either!), so I never would have thought of one of them.

I did get several TS, though, including please tell me more, Dear Prudence, long time no see, Interior, the glen, and lion.

[Katy M]

My first thought was The Da Vinci Code and i was like that's not anything, and the I was thinking of Dante, but then I just said handmaid's Tale even though I was pretty sure that's not from 2013. Oh well.

I got the missed clues of tellme more, Dear Prudence, long time no see and lion.  

[Prevailing Wind]

I call fowl/foul on the Morrigan response. Crows and ravens are NOT interchangeable. She turned into a crow, not a raven.

[Katy M]

4 minutes ago, Prevailing Wind said:

I call fowl/foul on the Morrigan response. Crows and ravens are NOT interchangeable. She turned into a crow, not a raven.

Quick research has wikipedia, order of the crows, and living libraryblog linking her with both and priestesstraining with ravens only.  

[Kimmmmmm]

Had high hopes for Michael... or the lady (sorry, can't remember her name). 

[Leeds]

9 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

It does.  It's pronounced may-lay.

Not where I'm from (first language English) - it's meh-lay.

[Bastet]

Eric ran away with it in DJ; impressive follow-up performance.

I'm bummed Dear White People was a TS (I haven't watched the series yet, but it's on my list because I liked the film).  And, since I hardly text, period, and use actual words when I do, I figure if I can decipher textspeak anyone can, so their poor performance in that category surprised me a bit, especially "Long Time No See". 

If it wasn't for the writers category, I'd have only missed one in the entire first round, but I missed two in that one.  Still quite good!

In DJ, I only ran adjectives (I'd have also ran the actors category if only "Who is whoever played Private Ryan?" counted; I know that movie exists, but can't tell you who's in it), but I did well, getting all but one in two categories and missing two each in the rest (impressive in the case of the mythology category).

But, for the second night in a row, my great game came to a screeching halt at FJ, and I had no guess.

2 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I liked Michael. His quizzically-serious expression waiting for her to tell him if his clearly incorrect FJ answer was right or not made me laugh.

That amused me, too.  And those in attendance as well, obviously, given the laughter.                                                            

[ProudMary]

[shapeshifter]

10 hours ago, Bastet said:

since I hardly text, period, and use actual words when I do, I figure if I can decipher textspeak anyone can, so their poor performance in that category surprised me a bit, especially "Long Time No See". 

This☝️post about 6/7's TEXTING ABBREV. category may be the ultimate example of the opposite of the "burden of knowledge."

But our @Bastet also demonstrates some important Jeopardy! skills that yesterday's trio were a little short on: Confidence, Quick thinking, Deduction, and whatever it is called when one looks for the linguistic meaning in the absence of any other point of reference in the category title.

For those who don't want to click through to this tweet:

a few of the scores of replies by those of us who do text note things like:

• It felt like they asked someone young for the clues and that person just made stuff up to mess with them.
• My 15 year old was watching with me and confirmed none of those are seen in the wild.
• I am 50 but I was sitting with two 25 year Olds and none of us had ever used or received or heard of a single one of them.
  TSNUTCA (They should never use that category again)
• They Have Not Ever Been Used In Real Life
  WNTGOMO Writers Need To Get Out More Often
  WASC What A Shitty Category

Perhaps a fairer category title would have been: 
NOT TEXTING ABBREVS.

But more than just making it "fair," it cannot be good for ratings to have categories that stump all three and leave so much dead air space.

Edited June 8, 2022 by shapeshifter

[bad things are bad]

14 hours ago, Browncoat said:

I've never read any of Dan Brown's books (and I'm not going to, either!), so I never would have thought of one of them.

This is a good policy 

I figured FJ would be Dante, but I said THE Inferno,  and thus was wrong 

[Trey]

Only two ts's for me: Monarch of the Glen and lion - I was amazed that none of them even guessed lion. Sudanese war god + powerful predator pretty much says lion.

Loved Michael's FJ demeanor, glad everyone got a kick out of it.

I had no real idea for FJ.  I got as far as Purgatory so I was at least on the right track but that's as far as I got.

35 minutes ago, bad things are bad said:

I figured FJ would be Dante, but I said THE Inferno,  and thus was wrong 

What's a definite article here or there?  I'd take it.