Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)

[Ms.Moon]

10 hours ago, Jazzy24 said:

This trailer was really beautiful and haunting. It must have been hard for all of Chadwick’s friends and coworkers to be there without him. I legit cried watching this trailer. The women look amazing!! All the Atlanteans and Namor was just bad ass in every shot. Angela Basset is a goddess. I know some people have been iffy on phase four but I hope BPWF delivers one hell of a movie and win all the awards. It looks like it has a lot of heart. 
 

So I don’t know if I will be watching this in theaters. As someone who has loved T’Challa/Black Panther for many years and to see his first live action cut so short because of Chadwick’s unfortunate passing, it makes me angry and upset. I get it’s easier said than done to recast T’Challa, and Coogler and the ones at Marvel must have agonized over this but he should have been recasted. 
 

T’Challa as a character has so much more to give. T’Challa and Namor is one of comics greatest rivalries. T’Challa and The Fantastic Four has always been a great part of both theirs and Marvels history, also his relationship with Storm etc… 

I get it but it sucks to see such an amazing character to be put back on the shelf for the next decade when it took so much to get him on our screens. 
 

I’ll probably catch this on Disney Plus, or just see how I feel in the next few months. 

I am going to take a packet or two of tissues and cry in the movie theater because this damn trailer has me gone already.  People are legit excited about this movie and are already planning their outfits and everything to see this in the theaters.

[thuganomics85]

Well, that is how you make a trailer!  Kind of nuts how it has single-handily injected some life back into the MCU again after some disappointing (if still enjoyable) films these past few months.  Really hope they stick the landing, but it really does look promising.

Chadwick Boseman/T'Challa can never be replaced, but my vote is for Nakia to assume the mantle of Black Panther if it happens.  Mainly because I'm all for Lupita Nyong'o headlining her own franchise.  One of the best actresses out there.  And, while I obviously wish Chadwick wasn't taken from us like this, I'm all for it allowing Angela Bassett commanding the screen like the powerhouse that she is.

[Guest]

On 7/24/2022 at 3:57 PM, cambridgeguy said:

Let's assume that one of the women in the film ends up taking on the mantle of BP and takes the lead in future projects.  If they subsequently go ahead and decide that actually, we'd rather bring some alternate T'Challa or Killmonger in and make him the main BP while the female incumbent slides into a supporting role then that will open them up all sorts of complaints about how they just couldn't stop themselves from putting a man in the role (and if you're getting Michael B. Jordan he's going to be the lead).  Bonus points if this alternate becomes the new ruler of Wakanda.

Yeah, there is no way that works. It will already feel like a cop out if they don’t put one of the women in the suit in favor of M’Baku or a new character.

Also I am generally against bringing in characters from different universes and having them live in the MCU. I could see them bringing back Jordan for a cameo as a Black Panther character from a different universe but it would need to be handled carefully. Particularly, since many will latch onto the idea of him being the better replacement. 

If they really want to bring back Jordan it seems more likely to be a more light hearted cameo as a Johnny Storm (probably alongside Evans) in a completely different movie. 

[Tenshinhan]

1 hour ago, Ms.Moon said:

People are legit excited about this movie and are already planning their outfits and everything to see this in the theaters.

Oh really?  I didn't know it was generating that much attention, especially so soon.

[Hiyo]

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Retconning Killmonger's entire character, as well as his death, just because Michael B. Jordan is popular would make this movie an instant miss for me. We're supposed to be moving forwards, not backwards.

You wouldn't retconning his character. He would be an alternate universe version of Killmonger.

[tv echo]

Exciting but heartbreaking...

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER | Marvel Comic Con 2022 Panel (Letitia Wright, Danai Gurira)
Films That Rock   Jul 24, 2022

'Black Panther: Wakanda Forever' Panel | SDCC 2022 | Entertainment Weekly
Entertainment Weekly    Jul 24, 2022

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Toys Revealed SDCC 2022
Marvel Entertainment    Jul 24, 2022

Edited July 25, 2022 by tv echo

[Anduin]

1 hour ago, tv echo said:

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Toys Revealed SDCC 2022
Marvel Entertainment    Jul 24, 2022

If that action figure is anything to go by, we'll be seeing a male Panther. Given my history of predictions, I'm not claiming100%. But the figure looks male.

[Raja]

8 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Oh really?  I didn't know it was generating that much attention, especially so soon.

2 minutes and 12 seconds at Comic Com changed that.

[Danny Franks]

33 minutes ago, Anduin said:

If that action figure is anything to go by, we'll be seeing a male Panther. Given my history of predictions, I'm not claiming100%. But the figure looks male.

That's a comic book version of Black Panther, I think. The cape costume is what he wore on his first ever appearance, in Fantastic Four #52. They've not released a movie version of him/her in this wave, likely because they want to keep the identity a secret.

But people are suggesting that, because there's no Shuri in the wave, she must be Black Panther. Meanwhile, Funko Pops are releasing a wave that has Shuri but no Nakia so... I dunno.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Danny Franks

[tv echo]

IMAX version of new trailer...

Tems - No Woman No Cry (From "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Prologue")
MarvelMusicVEVO    Jul 25, 2022

Santa Fe Klan - Soy (From "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Prologue")
MarvelMusicVEVO    Jul 25, 2022

Amaarae - A Body, A Coffin (From "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Prologue")
MarvelMusicVEVO    Jul 25, 2022

Edited July 25, 2022 by tv echo

[Anduin]

9 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

That's a comic book version of Black Panther, I think. The cape costume is what he wore on his first ever appearance, in Fantastic Four #52. They've not released a movie version of him/her in this wave, likely because they want to keep the identity a secret.

Nice to know my prediction skills are working as normal. I was almost worried for a second. Ah well.

[Morrigan2575]

I was thinking Wouldn't it be funny if the new BP wasn't anyone we knew? Like what if Nakia and T'Challa got busy between BP and Infinity War and there's a little T'Challa running around?  I couldn't make the timeline work, even with the 5 year jump in Endgame, unless Wakanda forever had another time jump.

[Anduin]

I realise that a fan twitter account isn't the most reliable news source, but apparently Mabel Cadena, Namora, held her breath for six minutes at a time during filming in a water tank.

Just one more reason I couldn't be an actor. Six minutes? I'd drown at least seven times over! Good work to her!

[Hiyo]

Are those...feathers on an Atlantean?

[Tenshinhan]

3 hours ago, Hiyo said:

Are those...feathers on an Atlantean?

The Atlantis of this film is said to be inspired by ancient Mesoamerican civilizations, so the feathered headdress is likely a reflection of that.  I don't know if those are supposed to be actual feathers or not.  Maybe something made to resemble feathers.

[Hiyo]

Whatever it is inspired by, seems a bit silly to have an underwater society with feathers.

[Tenshinhan]

Probably from some kind of sea animal or vegetation I would think.

[Hiyo]

Ah yeah, the famous underwater birds lol

[Raja]

While there are birds that survive by taking food from the sea I am speculating the Atlantians are not going to the surface to breathe like aquatic mammals do.  The wearing of ceremonial headgear as battle dress seems to be shared with the Asgardians

[Hiyo]

If they keep it like the comics then the Atlanteans (minus some examples like Namor) aren't able to breathe outside of water. We'll see how the movies tackle that.

Ceremonial headgear is fine, just make it make sense.

[Ohiopirate02]

13 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I was thinking Wouldn't it be funny if the new BP wasn't anyone we knew? Like what if Nakia and T'Challa got busy between BP and Infinity War and there's a little T'Challa running around?  I couldn't make the timeline work, even with the 5 year jump in Endgame, unless Wakanda forever had another time jump.

The trailer has a scene with someone giving birth in water.  Could be Nakia, could be a flashback of Ramonda, also could be yet to be revealed characters.  

[AimingforYoko]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The trailer has a scene with someone giving birth in water.  Could be Nakia, could be a flashback of Ramonda, also could be yet to be revealed characters.  

It's the birth of Namor, so that's Princess Fen, most likely.

[Raja]

8 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The trailer has a scene with someone giving birth in water.  Could be Nakia, could be a flashback of Ramonda, also could be yet to be revealed characters.  

4 minutes ago, AimingforYoko said:

It's the birth of Namor, so that's Princess Fen, most likely.

The watchers of image by image  in slow motion to make a plot theory commentator's video already shot down the Nakia speculation. 

While Black Panther had a global audience going in on the Pan African society with the normies coming out of the theatres saying "Wakanda Forever"  there being no real Atlantis  they seem to be reaching to pre colonization Americas  as a root for the Atlantian society

[Kel Varnsen]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

While there are birds that survive by taking food from the sea I am speculating the Atlantians are not going to the surface to breathe like aquatic mammals do.  The wearing of ceremonial headgear as battle dress seems to be shared with the Asgardians

Comics Namor has those little wings on his feet, so maybe Atlanteans are familiar with animals with feathers.

[Raja]

40 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

If they keep it like the comics then the Atlanteans (minus some examples like Namor) aren't able to breathe outside of water. We'll see how the movies tackle that.

Ceremonial headgear is fine, just make it make sense.

Like Loki's or Hela's? The ceremonial stuff wouldn't be the easy to get stuff but the precious, expensive stuff hard to get stuff to show the status of the wearer.

[Hiyo]

Their headgear made sense, and was also at least somewhat based on what they had in the comics.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Hiyo said:

Whatever it is inspired by, seems a bit silly to have an underwater society with feathers.

I don’t know, they look pretty similar to some fish tails. There’s also the feather star. There are some very strange creatures underwater. 

[Morrigan2575]

4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The trailer has a scene with someone giving birth in water.  Could be Nakia, could be a flashback of Ramonda, also could be yet to be revealed characters.  

I assumed that was Namor being born

[Dandesun]

5 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I assumed that was Namor being born

Considering that the baby had wings on their ankles... yeah, that was totally Namor.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Dandesun said:

Considering that the baby had wings on their ankles... yeah, that was totally Namor.

Oh, I didn't even see the wings.

Anyone know if Namora or Namorita will be in BP?

Edited July 27, 2022 by Morrigan2575

[Anduin]

12 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Oh, I didn't even see the wings.

Anyone know if Namora or Namorita will be in BP?

Namora will. I mentioned that just up the page a bit. :)

[Morrigan2575]

39 minutes ago, Anduin said:

Namora will. I mentioned that just up the page a bit. :)

Sorry, must have missed it. Thanks!

[Tenshinhan]

Apparently Namor and his people are not even from Atlantis in this version, but are instead from Talocan, a world from ancient Aztec mythology.

[starri]

I've always had this weird idea in my head that Wakanda is landlocked, so it's been an adjustment to this.

And no, I'm not sure why.

[Perfect Xero]

13 minutes ago, starri said:

I've always had this weird idea in my head that Wakanda is landlocked, so it's been an adjustment to this.

And no, I'm not sure why.

That's how Wakanda has generally been depicted outside of the very earliest maps that had it on the Atlantic. The most recent location in the comics has it bordering Lake Victoria (though it is named Nyanza in Wakanda)

[Trini]

15 hours ago, Hiyo said:

Whatever it is inspired by, seems a bit silly to have an underwater society with feathers.

14 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Probably from some kind of sea animal or vegetation I would think.

One trailer breakdown thinks they are lionfish spines, not feathers.

 

10 minutes ago, starri said:

I've always had this weird idea in my head that Wakanda is landlocked, so it's been an adjustment to this.

No, Wakanda is definitely supposed to be landlocked; I was confused too. So unless geography has changed in the MCU (possible!), the beach scenes may not be Wakanda.

That same trailer breakdown thinks the beach is (somewhere in?) South America. Or maybe it's an island?

[Raja]

19 minutes ago, starri said:

I've always had this weird idea in my head that Wakanda is landlocked, so it's been an adjustment to this.

And no, I'm not sure why.

For me because it was so secret. On the coast the colonizers navies  would have been trying to use any shoreline.

2 minutes ago, Trini said:

No, Wakanda is definitely supposed to be landlocked; I was confused too. So unless geography has changed in the MCU (possible!), the beach scenes may not be Wakanda.

That same trailer breakdown thinks the beach is (somewhere in?) South America. Or maybe it's an island?

They are pointed to an American style temple over Nakia's shoulder as she looks out over the ocean.

[Kel Varnsen]

16 minutes ago, Raja said:

For me because it was so secret. On the coast the colonizers navies  would have been trying to use any shoreline.

Plus the 5 tribes of Wakanda included the river tribe, the border tribe (which just seemed to be a land border) and the Jabari (who were the mountain based tribe). If Wakanda also had a coastline wouldn't there be a coastal tribe? Although I guess depending on how deep that river from the river tribe is, it could be a link between Wakanda and Atlantis.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Kel Varnsen

[Tenshinhan]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

They are pointed to an American style temple over Nakia's shoulder as she looks out over the ocean.

Those are Mesoamerican pyramids such as in Mexico and Central America.  So those scenes likely revolve around Namor's kingdom and not Wakanda.

[Raja]

5 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

Those are Mesoamerican pyramids such as in Mexico and Central America.  So those scenes likely revolve around Namor's kingdom and not Wakanda.

Given Nakia's position as a "war dog" or Wakandan foreign intelligence officer that fits. Even if her clothes seem more in line with comic's costume/uniform going tactical than a spy on a mission sneaking and looking

[Cobalt Stargazer]

5 hours ago, Trini said:

So unless geography has changed in the MCU (possible!), the beach scenes may not be Wakanda.

In the first movie, Okoye is piloting a plane to take T'Challa and Nakia back home for the coronation, where they pass through the barrier that shields the "real" Wakanda from the sight of the rest of the world. Since it's a fairly recent development that the country isn't just a nation of simple farmers and tradesmen, they wouldn't have had a coast, because wouldn't the existence of the barrier have been discovered before that?

[ursula]

Beaches aren’t just coastlines. Lakes and rivers can have beaches. And since Wakanda is supposed to be in East River, it’s part of the Great Rift Valley/Greater Lakes Region. 

[Raja]

12 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Apparently Namor and his people are not even from Atlantis in this version, but are instead from Talocan, a world from ancient Aztec mythology.

So like Shazam and Captain Marvel the two companies shared a name. Atlantis being in the public domain has a cultural meaning to us from being out of the ocean but Jason Momoa's series now has the public name on the lock. An Aztec name like the head dress says the antagonist is from the Americas, not from the sea.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Raja

[truthaboutluv]

On 7/23/2022 at 10:02 PM, AimingforYoko said:

Only quibble, they should've used Marley's original "No Woman, No Cry".

No Woman, No Cry is one of my favorite songs of all time and Bob Marley's Legend album is in my opinion, one of the greatest albums of all time. And that said, I agree with the other poster who noted that having a woman do the vocal was very fitting for this film, which is very female-driven.

Also, Tems' being an African (Nigerian to be exact) artist is also fitting as I know many had criticisms of the first film's soundtrack not utilizing enough African artists and sounds. 

[Scarlett45]

On 7/23/2022 at 9:37 PM, nilyank said:

It seems like they actually gave Angela Bassett something to really sink her teeth into.

It looks amazing.

My Mom has always said that she wants Angela Basset to play her in the movie of my life, but she was so bummed in the first movie "I guess at my age I don't gt to be a part of the battle, I have to sit and wait!" She will love this!

[arc]

On 7/26/2022 at 4:18 AM, Hiyo said:

Ah yeah, the famous underwater birds lol

You mean penguins?

the Atlanteans here are probably influenced by feathered fish, though:

[Hiyo]

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You mean penguins?

I wasn't aware penguins lived underwater full time.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Hiyo said:

I wasn't aware penguins lived underwater full time.

Some of them spend up to 75% of their lives in the water and they can stay underwater for longer than dolphins. I would consider them to be underwater birds. 

On 7/26/2022 at 7:18 PM, Trini said:

That same trailer breakdown thinks the beach is (somewhere in?) South America. Or maybe it's an island?

The waterfall scenes in the first movie were filmed in South America and isn’t remotely consistent with where Wakanda is supposed to be. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wakanda now has a beach. 

[Hiyo]

But that's mostly time spent hunting rather than living in the sea...but mileage varies, I guess.

Has the MCU established previously if Wakanda is a landlocked country?

Edited July 29, 2022 by Hiyo

[tv echo]

‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’: Winston Duke Reveals How M’Baku & the Jabari Fit in the Sequel
BY MARCO VITO ODDO     PUBLISHED 3 DAYS AGO
https://collider.com/black-panther-wakanda-forever-winston-duke-mbaku-jabari-comments/ 

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... As Duke now confirms, M’Baku and the Jabari are an official part of Wakanda in the sequel, leaving old resentments behind. In Duke’s words:

“I think the events of ‘Infinity War’ and ‘Endgame’ really showed that the Jabari are now full-fledged members of Wakanda. M'Baku was a part of every single conflict; every event, and I don't think they could really exist in isolation anymore. They have open borders, and we saw that M'Baku was really Wakandan. His entire community has expanded.”
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“Now we get to see how he figures out a brand-new world for Wakanda; a brand-new world like we've had to experience. A world post-COVID; a world post-pandemic or mid-pandemic. Much like us, he's going through a lot of the same things and figuring out how to move forward. This movie really deals and dives into that a lot.”