Season 9 Reunion Part 2

[druzy]

Maci and Taylor’s argument with Ryan’s parents intensifies while Mackenzie reflects on her tumultuous year. Kristina joins Gary to give her side of the story & Cate discusses her pregnancy. Cory, Tyler, Gary, Josh & Taylor give Zach parenting advice.

Airs April 27, 2021

[ginger90]

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[geauxaway]

OMG Tyler’s boobs in that shirt.  ☠️   And WTH is Cate?  At first I thought she was wearing a hospital gown. Wow this is a very unflattering look for both of them.

Edited April 27, 2021 by geauxaway

[sandwoman]

I like how Tyler says in the clip: "I can't change the way I talk or how I express myself." Um. Yes you can. People do it allll the time. People have to code-switch all the time. As others have said, his attitude is so clearly that of someone who's never had a real job. Most people learn quickly how to adjust and act in different social situations - they learn that how they talk to a friend is different than how they talk to their boss (or a customer). That he doesn't want to even TRY to adjust how he expresses himself is a pisspoor excuse for not writing a letter to the biological daughter he claims to want to have a relationship with. 

[Mr. Miner]

Mac is not racist, she’s just dumb AF!

Two fucking dullards from OK, nobody cares about your shit marriage.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Mr. Miner

[SilverLake0315]

“Is he angry at Ryan or is he JEALOUS of Ryan?”

Y’all. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. What in the holy hell would Taylor possibly be jealous of?! 🤣

I’m sick to death of Jen’s constant crying. I’m glad they won’t be on the show anymore. 

[Liamsmom617]

   Mr. Miner, you summed it up perfectly! I will give it to Mackenzie that she  tries her hardest and has a lot of hustle; she is willing to work very hard.  A genius she’s not.

   Damn, Josh coming after Dr. Drew was the first spark of any sort of personality I’ve ever seen from him. (Too bad it’s the personality of a dickhead.)

    The Taylor versus Jen and Larry confrontation was everything I had hoped it would be. Can’t help but feel for Jen, although yes, she’s an awful enabler, but that’s so common to Moms of addicts.  I can judge Larry all day long, but for some reason I can’t really judge Jen.

  

   

Edited April 28, 2021 by Liamsmom617

[Caseysgirl]

God, what the hell is wrong with Drew (I refuse to call him “Dr.”)? Is he a therapist, because he was useless in that confrontation between Larry & Taylor. MTV should have been able to show Larry all the clips of Ryan and his wife saying horrible things about Maci; showing Ryan belittling and making fun of Bentley and all the scenes of Ryan nodding off or looking like a homeless person? But know, they just let the confrontation get out of the control and totally let Larry and Jen off the hook. I’m glad they both got fired but no one learned anything from this.

[Quilty]

Drew stop making excuses for Amber! She's been given more help than most and won't try to make any changes in her behavior.

[Chris Knight]

They dont really need Vanessa on this show.

Taylor is a punk. Challenging a 60-y-o man to a physical confrontation-and yes Larry also appeared ready to fight  - just crazy. Also Taylor, lots of kids are nudged into taking pics and spending time with relatives. I know I will get flamed for my anti-Maci opinion but I don't care.

Is MacKenzie 's hair gray ? I hate her voice but I think she has a lot of trouble in her life and I give her credit for trying to improve her life.

Cait is genuinely pretty but looks so cheap with the claw nails, purple hair, huge earrings, heavy makeup. 

Tyler, BrandAndTeresa do not owe you a feeling of safety to approach them about their child. They owe you nothing. 

The names Nova and Veda dont go together. They sound like characters in a sci fi movie.

I believe Geary did not come on to Psycho Amber. I didn't realize Kristina's oldest daughter has a stepmom. She made a good point about encouraging that relationship. Nothing is stopping Psycho from pursuing a healthy and enjoyable relationship with Leah Leanne. I still chuckle at them referring to Psycho as their teen daughter. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Chris Knight

[toodywoody]

What a snooze fest. I fastforwarded through it all except the beginning and the Gary and Kristina part. 

Fuck Neesa and Drew for asking Kristina why she didn't come out with the fucking nuclear bomb and for saying that they needed to build up Amber's relationship with Leah. That's on Amber and not them. She puts no work in at all except for when it benefits Amber. Nothing is ever Amber's fault and those 2 fuckers need to fuck off because they are part of the problem.

If fucking Amber can't take people saying she's a shit mom then quit being a shit mom and step the fuck up. But nooooooo she chooses to cry about a relationship that her daughter has with Kristina and like Kristina said, the more people that love her the better.

[PicnicLife77]

So much that was just icky and frustrating about this one. Normally a little drama is at leastentertaining, if we're being honest, but none of this really was. It was all just ... really, really frustrating to witness. 

[Evie]

Drew really does make excuses for Amber. Maybe she's depressed? Depressed or not there is no excuse for Amber saying horrible things about Kristina online for Leah and the world to see. Can you see how your bond with Leah is threatening to Amber? Well, Amber could have had a bond of her own with Leah if she had ever made Leah a priority.

I'm all for someone calling Drew out but Josh is just a dick. I don't believe he is any different when the cameras aren't around. He's not the sole problem in the marriage though as Mac is crazy and dumb.

Cate and Tyler, same old, same old. Tyler gained weight.

Nobody came out of the Larry and Taylor fight looking good. Apparently, Larry and Jen don't watch the show or they would have known why Taylor was mad. 

[edie3]

1 hour ago, SilverLake0315 said:

“Is he angry at Ryan or is he JEALOUS of Ryan?”

Probably jealous because all Ryan has to do is stay high and pet his dog.

[Mambo Gladys]

Wow, didn’t think Drew could be any worse but he proved me wrong!
Taylor jealous of Ryan? Amber is depressed and threatened by Christina and that’s somehow Gary and Christina’s fault? 
I loved Christina’s response about her older daughter having a stepmom. Hopefully Amber was awake to hear it. 
 

 

[chuckity]

Brandon & Teresa should've closed the door to that adoption years ago.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

God, what the hell is wrong with Drew (I refuse to call him “Dr.”)? Is he a therapist, because he was useless in that confrontation between Larry & Taylor. MTV should have been able to show Larry all the clips of Ryan and his wife saying horrible things about Maci; showing Ryan belittling and making fun of Bentley and all the scenes of Ryan nodding off or looking like a homeless person? But know, they just let the confrontation get out of the control and totally let Larry and Jen off the hook. I’m glad they both got fired but no one learned anything from this.

Dr Drew is not a therapist. He’s simply a host in this context.

[Jeanne222]

2 hours ago, SilverLake0315 said:

“Is he angry at Ryan or is he JEALOUS of Ryan?”

Y’all. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. What in the holy hell would Taylor possibly be jealous of?! 🤣

I’m sick to death of Jen’s constant crying. I’m glad they won’t be on the show anymore. 

For sure???  Did they leave on their own or did Maci pull the plug!  Come to think of it I think I remember maci having a hand in their departure!

They are going to miss those paychecks!  As for me...don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

[GoudaGirl]

I was sad that Taylor couldn’t stay calm enough to let Jen and Larry look bad enough on their own - as they would have.

I don’t really know enough about Florida gal and her rodeo husband as I never saw them on 16 and pregnant.  And while I enjoyed him going off on Drew, he still seemed like a dick.

Cait and Ty looked terrible - the dagger nails, the purple hair, and he had makeup on or something that made him look like a female to male change (not that there’s anything wrong with that), he just looked not like himself.  
 

Oh and Gary and Kristina rock and Amber SUCKS!

Edited April 28, 2021 by GoudaGirl

[FlowerofCarnage]

No one is jealous of  Diet Frank Gallagher, Jen!

 

[edie3]

9 hours ago, edie3 said:

Probably jealous because all Ryan has to do is stay high and pet his dog.

change stay high to eat food and pet all the dogs, then I would be jealous!!

[MaggieG]

Count me in as laughing hysterically when Jenn said Taylor is jealous of Ryan. I also can't believe Larry tried to make it seem that it was Taylor's fault that Ryan threatened to put a bullet in his head. Those two are so clueless.

 

[BrownBear2012]

17 hours ago, SilverLake0315 said:

“Is he angry at Ryan or is he JEALOUS of Ryan?”

Y’all. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. What in the holy hell would Taylor possibly be jealous of?! 🤣

I’m sick to death of Jen’s constant crying. I’m glad they won’t be on the show anymore. 

RIGHT??? Why would Taylor be jealous of Ryan??? OMG! Jen is just the worst enabling mother I've ever seen... and the constant weeping and sobbing is just pathetic. No wonder Ryan is the way he is...weak mother and short tempered father... both of whom who refuse to see the mess they helped to create by enabling and codependency. Bye bye...waiting for the news when Mackenzie files for divorce in a few years.

14 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Dr Drew is not a therapist. He’s simply a host in this context.

He's a drug addiction specialist...and even that is questionable when he's had so many high profile failures.

[BrownBear2012]

15 hours ago, Evie said:

Drew really does make excuses for Amber. Maybe she's depressed? Depressed or not there is no excuse for Amber saying horrible things about Kristina online for Leah and the world to see. Can you see how your bond with Leah is threatening to Amber? Well, Amber could have had a bond of her own with Leah if she had ever made Leah a priority.

I'm all for someone calling Drew out but Josh is just a dick. I don't believe he is any different when the cameras aren't around. He's not the sole problem in the marriage though as Mac is crazy and dumb.

Cate and Tyler, same old, same old. Tyler gained weight.

Nobody came out of the Larry and Taylor fight looking good. Apparently, Larry and Jen don't watch the show or they would have known why Taylor was mad. 

They probably should have had them on separately instead of in the same room. I think MTV should have some sort of written agreement that participants will be fined or final checks will be withheld if they storm off the set of reunion shows. 

5 hours ago, edie3 said:

change stay high to eat food and pet all the dogs, then I would be jealous!!

Taylor lives in a better house than Ryan..Ryan's house is small, cramped and sad.

[BrownBear2012]

15 hours ago, chuckity said:

Brandon & Teresa should've closed the door to that adoption years ago.

I agree. If ever there was a reason not to have an open adoption, or whatever they call it, it's this situation. Tyler has a enormous sense of entitlement. Brandon and Teresa have been more than generous in allowing Cate and Tyler to be apart of Carly's life yet they whine and moan about not having more access. Tyler barely acknowledges that Brandon and Teresa are the LEGAL parents of Carly...he acts like they are just babysitters to HIS child. His resentful and belligerent attitude and refusal to have any ownership of how his behavior is having an affect on Brandon and Teresa's hesistancy to reunite THEIR daughter with her bio-parents is what is keeping him and Cate from seeing her.  Someone on here remarked that Tyler's remarks last night show how not having a job has impacted his growth as an adult...I couldn't agree more. They are both immature and self absorbed. Maybe they should just concentrate on the two kids and the one on the way...make their lives better, read to them, play with them and shower them with affection. Carly will be 18 in six years and she can make a decision if she wants to have a relationship with her bio family...take care of the ones that live with you and let Brandon and Teresa take care of the child that is LEGALLY theirs.

[Liamsmom617]

1 hour ago, BrownBear2012 said:

RIGHT??? Why would Taylor be jealous of Ryan??? OMG! Jen is just the worst enabling mother I've ever seen... and the constant weeping and sobbing is just pathetic. No wonder Ryan is the way he is...weak mother and short tempered father... both of whom who refuse to see the mess they helped to create by enabling and codependency. Bye bye...waiting for the news when Mackenzie files for divorce in a few years.

He's a drug addiction specialist...and even that is questionable when he's had so many high profile failures.

  OK, this is the what I will say in Dr. Drew's defense: He is a medical doctor, a GP (as I understand it). He is also an addiction specialist. He's in no way qualified to "counsel" these "Teen Mom" participants, but b/c he used to host  "Sexually Speaking", which was syndicated on radio and, briefly, aired as a TV show on MTV, I am assuming that is why MTV tapped him to host these Tell-All shows b/c they figure that "TM" viewers are familiar w/him and feel he's "cool" and down w/what teens and 20-somethings are experiencing. Ironically, most teens and 20-somethings now probably don't even remember that old show...I am 52 and can't even remember how long ago it used to air, but I think it was a good 15-20 years ago.

  RE: the "failure rate" among people who appeared on "Celebrity Rehab w/Dr. Drew"---that's the nature of addiction. Relapses are common, and not every addict is able to achieve sobriety or to maintain it long-term. Look at Phillip Seymour Hoffman, or even Mackenzie Phillips---both were sober for years and years, and still relapsed at some point. The show was a joke as far as being an actual rehab experience, and many of the participants likely appeared on it to revive their careers or to get 15 more minutes of "fame", not to truly pursue sober living. Moderators, I know this is slightly off-topic BUT, with Ryan being an addict who, to all appearances this season, has not been able to maintain sobriety, and Dr. Drew not even MENTIONING this during the Tell-All (it could be that Ryan's, Larry's and Jen's contracts stipulated that he not be confronted on it), I felt it was worth a mention.

   OK, I'm off my soapbox now....and, agreed, now that the gravy train has ended, I hope for Mackenzie's sake that she divorces Ryan's sorry ass PRONTO.

   

Edited April 28, 2021 by Liamsmom617

[BrownBear2012]

1 hour ago, Liamsmom617 said:

  OK, this is the what I will say in Dr. Drew's defense: He is a medical doctor, a GP (as I understand it). He is also an addiction specialist. He's in no way qualified to "counsel" these "Teen Mom" participants, but b/c he used to host  "Sexually Speaking", which was syndicated on radio and, briefly, aired as a TV show on MTV, I am assuming that is why MTV tapped him to host these Tell-All shows b/c they figure that "TM" viewers are familiar w/him and feel he's "cool" and down w/what teens and 20-somethings are experiencing. Ironically, most teens and 20-somethings now probably don't even remember that old show...I am 52 and can't even remember how long ago it used to air, but I think it was a good 15-20 years ago.

  RE: the "failure rate" among people who appeared on "Celebrity Rehab w/Dr. Drew"---that's the nature of addiction. Relapses are common, and not every addict is able to achieve sobriety or to maintain it long-term. Look at Phillip Seymour Hoffman, or even Mackenzie Phillips---both were sober for years and years, and still relapsed at some point. The show was a joke as far as being an actual rehab experience, and many of the participants likely appeared on it to revive their careers or to get 15 more minutes of "fame", not to truly pursue sober living. Moderators, I know this is slightly off-topic BUT, with Ryan being an addict who, to all appearances this season, has not been able to maintain sobriety, and Dr. Drew not even MENTIONING this during the Tell-All (it could be that Ryan's, Larry's and Jen's contracts stipulated that he not be confronted on it), I felt it was worth a mention.

   OK, I'm off my soapbox now....and, agreed, now that the gravy train has ended, I hope for Mackenzie's sake that she divorces Ryan's sorry ass PRONTO.

   

I think the criticism about Dr.Drew and Celebrity Rehab was that he was exploiting these celebrities for ratings and for his own personal medical practice. The fact that most of these celebrities did not get follow up treatment and relapsed was and is a problem with any rehab but it was amplified by having such a high profile venue on TV with well known people. It is sad that some of these people succumbed to their addictions and/or addictive behavior...as a clinician, Dr. Drew could not boast of success with this show when he had failures. Drawing on the criticism from other media and people, MTV decided to end the show rather than continue it...probably for the best so families of the participants that died can grieve in private.

[ChristmasJones]

1 hour ago, Liamsmom617 said:

  OK, this is the what I will say in Dr. Drew's defense: He is a medical doctor, a GP (as I understand it). He is also an addiction specialist. He's in no way qualified to "counsel" these "Teen Mom" participants, but b/c he used to host  "Sexually Speaking", which was syndicated on radio and, briefly, aired as a TV show on MTV, I am assuming that is why MTV tapped him to host these Tell-All shows b/c they figure that "TM" viewers are familiar w/him and feel he's "cool" and down w/what teens and 20-somethings are experiencing. Ironically, most teens and 20-somethings now probably don't even remember that old show...I am 52 and can't even remember how long ago it used to air, but I think it was a good 15-20 years ago.  

 

Sad Panda was on the radio show Loveline beginning in 1984, until April 2016. Essentially he spent 32 years on that program. He was a fourth year medical student at USC when he started.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveline#History

[MadLove]

23 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

Mac is not racist, she’s just dumb AF!

Two fucking dullards from OK, nobody cares about your shit marriage.

Exactly...Thank You 🤭

[Mothra]

23 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

God, what the hell is wrong with Drew (I refuse to call him “Dr.”)? Is he a therapist, because he was useless in that confrontation between Larry & Taylor. MTV should have been able to show Larry all the clips of Ryan and his wife saying horrible things about Maci; showing Ryan belittling and making fun of Bentley and all the scenes of Ryan nodding off or looking like a homeless person? But know, they just let the confrontation get out of the control and totally let Larry and Jen off the hook. I’m glad they both got fired but no one learned anything from this.

I call him Drew or Dr. Pinsky.  I hate this fake intimacy these guys try to pretend to.  That goes for Dr. Ish and Dr. Phil as well.  It's like they're inviting you to call them by their first names but not really because *they* are *doctors.*

There were opportunities for all kinds of interesting exchanges on this episode, and they didn't take advantage of a single on.

They could at least have forced people to watch what actually was said--by Ryan and by Amber, especially.  Why didn't they?  Are they afraid someone will walk off?

Amber is nutty as a fruitcake, and I feel bad about that and hope she gets the treatment she needs.  But she still should not be allowed to blame someone else for the misery in her life, misery that her own actions have created.  I am a little concerned for Christina's safety.

And I feel really bad for Ryan's parents.  I don't know what they can or should do about their son's addiction, and it's probably out of their hands; he has to make the decision to get treatment.  But they should know the things he has said about Macy in order to understand Macy's reluctance to encourage Bentley to spend time with Ryan.

And MacKenzie's husband (who I must admit I find really sexy looking) with that same old shit--"you're making me look bad," "Everything is my fault" blah blah blah.  On the first couple of eps with this guy, we learned that he had suffered multiple head injuries from his rodeo riding.  I think he is not quite right.

[Mothra]

5 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

I agree. If ever there was a reason not to have an open adoption, or whatever they call it, it's this situation. Tyler has a enormous sense of entitlement. Brandon and Teresa have been more than generous in allowing Cate and Tyler to be apart of Carly's life yet they whine and moan about not having more access. Tyler barely acknowledges that Brandon and Teresa are the LEGAL parents of Carly...he acts like they are just babysitters to HIS child. His resentful and belligerent attitude and refusal to have any ownership of how his behavior is having an affect on Brandon and Teresa's hesistancy to reunite THEIR daughter with her bio-parents is what is keeping him and Cate from seeing her.  Someone on here remarked that Tyler's remarks last night show how not having a job has impacted his growth as an adult...I couldn't agree more. They are both immature and self absorbed. Maybe they should just concentrate on the two kids and the one on the way...make their lives better, read to them, play with them and shower them with affection. Carly will be 18 in six years and she can make a decision if she wants to have a relationship with her bio family...take care of the ones that live with you and let Brandon and Teresa take care of the child that is LEGALLY theirs.

I actually thought Tyler's (and boy has he ever gained weight) attitude toward contacting Carly was much saner and adult than Cate's.  I wanted to punch her in the nose when she said she was going to send letters to Carly every month, with stamps and paper enclosed.  Tyler said he did not trust his ability to communicate what he means, so he is not going to try to contact Carly--and he pointed out that B&T are Carly's parents and have to make decisions they feel are right for her.  Catelyn is living in a fantasy world where Carly wants to have a close relationship with these two, who are not really able to manage their own lives, and who, without MTV money wouldn't be able to support themselves.

[mrs ra]

I was very disappointed that Maci and Taylor walked out. They would have accomplished much more by staying and pushing the question of where was Ryan? Why wasn’t he able to defend himself if he’s such a great father and person? And I find it impossible to believe that Jen really has no idea what awful things Ryan has said. And surely she can’t claim to be unaware of how condescending Ryan is around poor Bentley. 
 

 

[Mothra]

5 hours ago, Liamsmom617 said:

  OK, this is the what I will say in Dr. Drew's defense: He is a medical doctor, a GP (as I understand it). He is also an addiction specialist. He's in no way qualified to "counsel" these "Teen Mom" participants, but b/c he used to host  "Sexually Speaking", which was syndicated on radio and, briefly, aired as a TV show on MTV, I am assuming that is why MTV tapped him to host these Tell-All shows b/c they figure that "TM" viewers are familiar w/him and feel he's "cool" and down w/what teens and 20-somethings are experiencing. Ironically, most teens and 20-somethings now probably don't even remember that old show...I am 52 and can't even remember how long ago it used to air, but I think it was a good 15-20 years ago.

  RE: the "failure rate" among people who appeared on "Celebrity Rehab w/Dr. Drew"---that's the nature of addiction. Relapses are common, and not every addict is able to achieve sobriety or to maintain it long-term. Look at Phillip Seymour Hoffman, or even Mackenzie Phillips---both were sober for years and years, and still relapsed at some point. The show was a joke as far as being an actual rehab experience, and many of the participants likely appeared on it to revive their careers or to get 15 more minutes of "fame", not to truly pursue sober living. Moderators, I know this is slightly off-topic BUT, with Ryan being an addict who, to all appearances this season, has not been able to maintain sobriety, and Dr. Drew not even MENTIONING this during the Tell-All (it could be that Ryan's, Larry's and Jen's contracts stipulated that he not be confronted on it), I felt it was worth a mention.

   OK, I'm off my soapbox now....and, agreed, now that the gravy train has ended, I hope for Mackenzie's sake that she divorces Ryan's sorry ass PRONTO.

   

Dr. Drew pooh-poohed the threat of covid-19 until he contracted it and got really, really sick:

In April, a video compilation circulated online of Pinsky downplaying COVID-19 in multiple interviews from February and March and telling people how the virus is less severe than the flu. In one clip from February, when asked if he could foresee 20,000 deaths caused by coronavirus, he said “it’s not gonna happen.” 

As of Thursday, COVID-19 has killed more than 1.8 million people worldwide, including at least 343,818 Americans, according to Johns Hopkins.

“It is a press-induced panic, I am angry about it. It is the flu,” Pinsky told KTLA on March 2, just days before the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a pandemic. 

https://nowthisnews.com/news/dr-drew-tests-positive-for-covid-19-months-after-calling-the-pandemic-press-induced

He has since apologized and made many statements saying he was wrong.  It disturbs me that someone with such a high profile would speak out on a subject in which he is not qualified medically to evaluate, and in direct contradiction of the medical establishment and physicians who have made it their lives' work to become experts in.  IMO this displays very poor judgment and makes me question his qualifications to be any kind of a doctor at all.

[PicnicLife77]

14 minutes ago, mrs ra said:

I was very disappointed that Maci and Taylor walked out. They would have accomplished much more by staying and pushing the question of where was Ryan? Why wasn’t he able to defend himself if he’s such a great father and person? And I find it impossible to believe that Jen really has no idea what awful things Ryan has said. And surely she can’t claim to be unaware of how condescending Ryan is around poor Bentley. 
 

 

Yeah, I really wished they wouldve brought up Rhine's absence. That in itself says a lot. 

[Caseysgirl]

All and all,it’s time for MTV to pull the plug on these two shows (Teen Mom 1&2). There are actual Teen aged Moms having babies and if their demographic is the under 30 year olds then try having someone under 30 on the shows.  It’s getting uncomfortable for the viewers to watch all these prepubescents who have more brains than their parents being put through this.  As far as Tyler and Caitlin,I think it’s been established that the only time the subject of not seeing Carly comes up is when they’re filming. They barely spend any time with the two they have & they’re home all day. Also, I think microblading has been off the table for a while, just like all of Cait’s other “ passions”.

[BrownBear2012]

17 minutes ago, Mothra said:

I actually thought Tyler's (and boy has he ever gained weight) attitude toward contacting Carly was much saner and adult than Cate's.  I wanted to punch her in the nose when she said she was going to send letters to Carly every month, with stamps and paper enclosed.  Tyler said he did not trust his ability to communicate what he means, so he is not going to try to contact Carly--and he pointed out that B&T are Carly's parents and have to make decisions they feel are right for her.  Catelyn is living in a fantasy world where Carly wants to have a close relationship with these two, who are not really able to manage their own lives, and who, without MTV money wouldn't be able to support themselves.

Yeah...Tyler said that about B&T but it seemed a little passive aggressive to me. He could write a simple letter to Carly like “Hi Carly...how are you doing? How’s school? Are you doing any activities? We miss hearing about your life and hope to see you sometime in the near future. I’ve enclosed some photos of Nova and Vaeda. Hope you are well and happy.  Love, Tyler 

What’s so difficult about that?

 

[BrownBear2012]

2 minutes ago, Caseysgirl said:

All and all,it’s time for MTV to pull the plug on these two shows (Teen Mom 1&2). There are actual Teen aged Moms having babies and if their demographic is the under 30 year olds then try having someone under 30 on the shows.  It’s getting uncomfortable for the viewers to watch all these prepubescents who have more brains than their parents being put through this.  As far as Tyler and Caitlin,I think it’s been established that the only time the subject of not seeing Carly comes up is when they’re filming. They barely spend any time with the two they have & they’re home all day. Also, I think microblading has been off the table for a while, just like all of Cait’s other “ passions”.

Ha ha! The microblading thing was probably just done for filming. Remember when Tyler talked about going to college to get a degree in counseling because he wanted to help young kids and teens who had similar family situations like him? These two haven’t done anything but procreate except for the failed children’s clothing line. Sad. And yes...it’s time to end this franchise and TM2. Enough already.

 

[TheRealT]

On 4/27/2021 at 9:55 PM, toodywoody said:

What a snooze fest. I fastforwarded through it all except the beginning and the Gary and Kristina part. 

Fuck Neesa and Drew for asking Kristina why she didn't come out with the fucking nuclear bomb and for saying that they needed to build up Amber's relationship with Leah. That's on Amber and not them. She puts no work in at all except for when it benefits Amber. Nothing is ever Amber's fault and those 2 fuckers need to fuck off because they are part of the problem.

If fucking Amber can't take people saying she's a shit mom then quit being a shit mom and step the fuck up. But nooooooo she chooses to cry about a relationship that her daughter has with Kristina and like Kristina said, the more people that love her the better.

Amber's solution to Leah realizing that Kristina is a better mom is for Kristina to stop being such a good mom, not for Amber to be a better mom. She has said several times, before and during the reunion, that Kristina needs to "move over" and that Kristina is somehow preventing Amber from mothering Leah because K beats her to the punch. We know that Amber has no interest in real parenting and only minimal, sporadic interest in "fun big sister" stuff like coming over to show Leah how to put on makeup. So I guess she thinks that, in order to support her and protect her feelings, Kristina should keep Leah at arm's length so that Leah will be more needy and more appreciative of Amber's minimal efforts. That's how much of a toxic, narcissistic asshole she is. She would gladly drive Leah's real mom away altogether and doesn't care at all how that would affect Leah or Gary.

 

[Liamsmom617]

  Thanks to those who have filled me in on Dr. Drew’s various shenanigans. Somehow I had missed the whole story arc, so to speak, of him initially downplaying Covid, then getting it and all of a sudden seeing the light about it. Also I don’t know why I was calling the show he did with Adam Carolla “Sexually Speaking “… That was probably Dr. Ruth’s show, no? And I didn’t realize he was still in med school when the show began. My bad, y’all. 
  I understand the criticisms about “Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew “....I think his intentions, at least in the beginning, were to shine a light on the problem of addiction and perhaps get viewers interested by treating “celebrities”.  
    He’s definitely in over his head/out of his element trying to advise these young parents.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Liamsmom617

[BrownBear2012]

On 4/26/2021 at 8:38 PM, ginger90 said:

Clip:

 

Catelynn needs more tattoos and longer sharper fingernails...and more Botox. Tyler looks like he's put on about 20 lbs since taping the show ended.

 

 

[Mothra]

8 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Yeah...Tyler said that about B&T but it seemed a little passive aggressive to me. He could write a simple letter to Carly like “Hi Carly...how are you doing? How’s school? Are you doing any activities? We miss hearing about your life and hope to see you sometime in the near future. I’ve enclosed some photos of Nova and Vaeda. Hope you are well and happy.  Love, Tyler 

What’s so difficult about that?

 

Well, I don't think Tyler was talking about literally writing a letter such as you suggest--of course he could do that.  But should he intrude himself into Carly's life in that way, especially since he and Catelyn have not maintained a regular, dependable connection to Carly during all these years?  There have been spates where they reached out, ghastly times when they introduced Carly to Butch and the whole gang, then months if not years of silence, during which they periodically bitched about how hard Brandon and Theresa were making it for them to have a close relationship with Carly.  There has been no consistency, and that is on them.  Not their fault; it's how they were raised, and how they are raising their own children.  But they have no right to impose inconsistency on Carly.

I think Dawn really failed them.  She sold them on open adoption, leading them to believe they would be sort of loving aunt and uncle to Carly, so that Carly would actually reach out to them, to call them when she had a good report card or signed up for the softball team. It's plain to me that Brandon and Theresa are perfectly happy to have C&T totally out of Carly's life, and they feel that it's up to C&T to build a connection, if that's what C&T want.  Dawn should have coached C&T about how to maintain a consistent, loving relationship with Carly--if that is what they wanted; it's certainly what Dawn led them to believe would happen--and helped them with the nuts and bolts (regular letters and phone calls, regular exchange of photos, plans to meet periodically, etc.) of establishing that connection.  As far as I can tell, she has never done anything but talk, and then only when C&T have worked themselves up emotionally and are desperate for contact.

I think of Carly, who is living as far as we know a happy middle-class life--that's certainly Tyler's belief--having these people she doesn't know, people she would never encounter in her day-to-day life--people with drug problems, who have never had a job, who depend on exposing themselves on tv for a living--really (forgive me) trashy people with no common background with her except the accident of biology--and she is supposed to be involved in a close, loving, sharing relationship with them (and their family!), and only when they sporadically decide to contact her.  Out of the blue, she gets letters expecting her to share her life with someone she doesn't know, someone with whom she has virtually no common ground--and she's expected to reply with the enclosed stamps!

I loved it when Tyler said that all he'd want to tell Brandon and Theresa was "thank you" for giving his daughter the life he and Catelyn could never have given her, and I don't think he meant a better life economically, but better than the life two teenagers could have provided her with.

I wish Catelyn would concentrate on Nova and her learning problems--Catelyn really has enough to do in her own home with the children she is raising herself.

[ginger90]

I seem to recall Dawn asking them when they had last reached out to Carly. I think I even posted the clip. If I recall correctly, they said it had been 2 years since they even wrote a letter to her.

ETA: Found the clip. They say they haven’t seen Carly in 2 years, as of when this was filmed, due to COVID. 🤷🏼‍♀️
 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNVJbZlrbhk/?hl=en

Edited April 29, 2021 by ginger90

[Mothra]

10 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

All and all,it’s time for MTV to pull the plug on these two shows (Teen Mom 1&2). There are actual Teen aged Moms having babies and if their demographic is the under 30 year olds then try having someone under 30 on the shows.  It’s getting uncomfortable for the viewers to watch all these prepubescents who have more brains than their parents being put through this.  As far as Tyler and Caitlin,I think it’s been established that the only time the subject of not seeing Carly comes up is when they’re filming. They barely spend any time with the two they have & they’re home all day. Also, I think microblading has been off the table for a while, just like all of Cait’s other “ passions”.

Couldn't agree more.  We've already seen this show become a vehicle for damaging the children involved (Sophia, anyone?), and if that's not enough to get MTV to stop this madness and cruelty, I don't know what is.

Damage to the kids aside, it can't be good for people like Amber, who have genuinely serious mental illness, to be paraded for our entertainment, and it can't be good for Gary and his family to be put in the position of opposing a crazy lady, who truly isn't responsible for the paranoia she spews at them.

It can't be good for these (now) adults to continue to have the MTV teat to sustain them while they kid themselves into believing they are productive members of society--your mention of Catelyn's many careers is right on the money--and it can't be good for pregnant teens who watch this show to see the cushy lives of these people who are not educated or trained (with few exceptions) for any kind of work that would support a family, who are able to repeatedly start and fail at their "businesses"--how many TTM shirts do *you* own?

If they want to continue the TM franchise, they ought to retire all of the current crop and start again with desperate teens who face unplanned and unwanted pregnancies and show realistically the struggles of the consequences.  The first few seasons of TM were harrowing and instructive--and worthwhile.

[Chris Knight]

I disagree about Carly. They should not contact her at all. She has her own life with her own family. I assume  she knows she's adopted, so in 6 years, she can decide if she wants C&T in her life. I also assume B&T are providing a great life full of good people and good opportunities, but maybe not - maybe they have their own family issues. Why pile C&T drama on top of any other stress she may be experiencing  ?

I alsoam only semi-convinced Amber has severe mental illness (es). She sure seems fine when she meets a new dude. 

 

[MargeGunderson]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I seem to recall Dawn asking them when they had last reached out to Carly. I think I even posted the clip. If I recall correctly, they said it had been 2 years since they even wrote a letter to her.

ETA: Found the clip. They say they haven’t seen Carly in 2 years, as of when this was filmed, due to COVID. 🤷🏼‍♀️
 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNVJbZlrbhk/?hl=en

It doesn’t seem like there is anything preventing them from having contact with Carly, other than their insistence that it be on their terms. That tells me all I need to know about their sincerity when it comes to Carly. She’s a storyline for them. 

[PicnicLife77]

Once a month seems way too often to write to Carly. That's an intrusion, especially considering it's coming out of the blue. I understand that it would take a few years to really establish a healthy pattern, especially before the child is old enough to understand, but I think it would have made more sense to set a consistent number of times to write or send something, regardless of what was going on in everyone's lives. Maybe on her birthday and Christmas, and MAYBE  one other time throughout the year if she begins to show interest. The consistency would remove the pressure and expectation for all parties. 

Edited April 29, 2021 by PicnicLife77
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[BrownBear2012]

9 hours ago, Mothra said:

Well, I don't think Tyler was talking about literally writing a letter such as you suggest--of course he could do that.  But should he intrude himself into Carly's life in that way, especially since he and Catelyn have not maintained a regular, dependable connection to Carly during all these years?  There have been spates where they reached out, ghastly times when they introduced Carly to Butch and the whole gang, then months if not years of silence, during which they periodically bitched about how hard Brandon and Theresa were making it for them to have a close relationship with Carly.  There has been no consistency, and that is on them.  Not their fault; it's how they were raised, and how they are raising their own children.  But they have no right to impose inconsistency on Carly.

I think Dawn really failed them.  She sold them on open adoption, leading them to believe they would be sort of loving aunt and uncle to Carly, so that Carly would actually reach out to them, to call them when she had a good report card or signed up for the softball team. It's plain to me that Brandon and Theresa are perfectly happy to have C&T totally out of Carly's life, and they feel that it's up to C&T to build a connection, if that's what C&T want.  Dawn should have coached C&T about how to maintain a consistent, loving relationship with Carly--if that is what they wanted; it's certainly what Dawn led them to believe would happen--and helped them with the nuts and bolts (regular letters and phone calls, regular exchange of photos, plans to meet periodically, etc.) of establishing that connection.  As far as I can tell, she has never done anything but talk, and then only when C&T have worked themselves up emotionally and are desperate for contact.

I think of Carly, who is living as far as we know a happy middle-class life--that's certainly Tyler's belief--having these people she doesn't know, people she would never encounter in her day-to-day life--people with drug problems, who have never had a job, who depend on exposing themselves on tv for a living--really (forgive me) trashy people with no common background with her except the accident of biology--and she is supposed to be involved in a close, loving, sharing relationship with them (and their family!), and only when they sporadically decide to contact her.  Out of the blue, she gets letters expecting her to share her life with someone she doesn't know, someone with whom she has virtually no common ground--and she's expected to reply with the enclosed stamps!

I loved it when Tyler said that all he'd want to tell Brandon and Theresa was "thank you" for giving his daughter the life he and Catelyn could never have given her, and I don't think he meant a better life economically, but better than the life two teenagers could have provided her with.

I wish Catelyn would concentrate on Nova and her learning problems--Catelyn really has enough to do in her own home with the children she is raising herself.

Whatever...Tyler just seems so angry much of the time and ungrateful. Maybe if they had been less angry and reached out in a way to B&T that wasn't resentful and bitter, things would be different between them...or maybe B&T have watched these episodes where Tyler (and Cate) come off as angry about how this arrangement is going and B&T have backed off from reaching out to them. As parents of a child that was born into a family that has drug and alcohol issues, it must be scary for B&T to wonder if this kind of genetic marker is going to be something that Carly would inherit. Also the mental health issues (Cate)...I think there has been some kind of over stepping on Tyler and Cate's part at some point where they were critical of B&T's parenting and their decisions regarding Carly. Tyler's mother even had the audacity to write them a letter complaining about them keeping Carly from her...I don't blame them one bit for treading lightly and keeping their distance from this crazy family dynamic. Dawn is over her head with this...it wouldn't hurt her to check in with Tyler and Cate a couple of times a year to see if they are OK and how they are doing in relationship with Carly...perhaps even offeriing up good advisment and some insight into how  to work with B&T.

[Cosmocrush]

6 hours ago, Mothra said:

I think Dawn really failed them.  She sold them on open adoption, leading them to believe they would be sort of loving aunt and uncle to Carly, so that Carly would actually reach out to them, to call them when she had a good report card or signed up for the softball team. It's plain to me that Brandon and Theresa are perfectly happy to have C&T totally out of Carly's life, and they feel that it's up to C&T to build a connection, if that's what C&T want. 

Absolutely!   I've long thought that Dawn and her organization was shady and took advantage of two kids who had zero family support while trying to do the right thing for their unborn child. 

While I don't have any personal experience with adoption I have friends who both have had successful open adoptions and friends who specifically adopted overseas to avoid any future involvement with the birth mother.   Almost 20 years later it's my unprofessional opinion that the open adoption kids have fewer issues surrounding their birth stories.  

Honestly, I think B&T had no idea that this special 16 & Pregnant episode would not only spin into Teen Mom but continue for a decade.  It's one thing to include birth parents in your child's life and a completely different thing to broadcast it on MTV.   It's hard to tell if B&T had problems with C&T  (they enthusiastically attended the wedding after all) or if they had issues with it all being on a TV show.  I tend to think it's the latter.   

 

 

[Cosmocrush]

8 hours ago, Mothra said:

If they want to continue the TM franchise, they ought to retire all of the current crop and start again with desperate teens who face unplanned and unwanted pregnancies and show realistically the struggles of the consequences.  The first few seasons of TM were harrowing and instructive--and worthwhile.

I could not agree more for all the reasons everyone has stated.    I started watching this show with my niece when she was in middle school.  It was instructive in a cautionary way; the same way the pregnant cheerleader in my own high school class was for me.   But good grief, the same niece is in college now and outgrown this show while I embarrassingly watch it the way I used to watch soap operas in college.  I'm probably not going to stop watching these particular girls/women either so when the montage at end of this season seemed like we were seeing them for the last time I was more than okay with it. 

[Mothra]

2 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Honestly, I think B&T had no idea that this special 16 & Pregnant episode would not only spin into Teen Mom but continue for a decade. 

I had not thought of that.  I suspect they believed that by the time Carly would be aware of what was going on on the TV show--maybe three or four years?--the show would be winding down.  I doubt that they ever imagined Carly would be exposed to C&T's tv life--and have her friends and teachers exposed to it as well for so long.

I am not a nice person, so I believe that if this whole mess were not on tv, C&T (and especially C) would not be in contact with Carly and her family and would not think of her more than once or twice a year.  They certainly wouldn't be budging themselves to write letters.  I'm not a Tyler fan *at all* but I'm glad he expressed his gratitude to B&T and showed no interest (at this time, anyway) in initiating contact with Carly.