S01.E02: Fathers

[kieyra]

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Mare visits a grisly murder scene before informing the victim’s enraged father. As a video from the night of the crime surfaces, Mare questions suspects in the case and gives an icy welcome to County Detective Colin Zabel, who’s been called in to assist. Later, Mare bumps heads with locals and airs concerns about her grandson Drew in light of her late son’s mental health struggles.

Airs April 25. 

[paigow]

Is this like The Mentalist? So that Zabel is from the PBI?

[lakin1013]

I am watching it and I am still interested but this show is skirting misery porn status.  Hope it doesn't step over the line.

[FemmyV]

Geez, as someone who grew up in one of those small northern towns, this is brutal. And I'm frigging glued because this is so true, about all the crap that gets swept under the rug.

Edited April 26, 2021 by FemmyV

[Xantar]

I did not see that last line coming. 
 

The theme so far seems to be about all the things people will do in the name of family. They may blatantly harass a detective (risking jail time for themselves). They may summon up a mob at a press conference to shout at the police. Or they may just straight up murder a kid. What is Mare going to do when she is faced with possibly losing her grandson?

 

On another note, it was a nice tough when Mare made sure two other men were with her when she broke the news to Erin’s father. She knew he would blow up and it might not be safe for her. She knows her town.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Jess: Dylan is not DJ’s father, I think it’s Frank Sheehan!

When Jess & her mom want to speak only  to Lori, I really thought it got something to do with her husband, John. Next week’s episode going to be so awkward for Mare.

Det. Colin Zabel is instantly likeable, Mare has started to warm up to him, which is good. I hope he follows Siobhan’s advice!

I like this episode so much more than the 1st one. I can see Drew’s custody battle from miles away, not looking forward to this storyline. Richard is a douche for ignoring Mare & prefers to be surrounded by adoring women, red flag!

Teachers (or priests) who prey on student always choose those who are quiet, insecure & isolated. Erin was the perfect target. So now Frank & Faye, both have motive to hurt Erin. 

Siobhan’s relationship with Frank seems normal but not with Mare, did she blame her mother for her brother’s death?

[paigow]

Nick Offerman doppelganger is cleaning up Easttown, one douchebag at a time.

Is PA Child Services seriously giving custody to a recovering addict who has not even completed the halfway house phase?

Edited April 26, 2021 by paigow

[Pike Ludwell]

Loved the big, very quick justice insofar as Dylan, as opposed to letting the character drag on to the end of the season. I'm sure Dylan wasn't the killer but he did help with the brutalization of Erin, and in general, was a total D.   A total piece of junk. And I just don't get why a cute friendly girl like her would have gotten involved with and stayed hung up on such an odd looking cretin who, if he had any personality, it was of a total jerk with violent possibilities. And now we're learning that she likely had sex with that math teacher (the big-black-beard guy)?

Edited April 27, 2021 by Pike Ludwell

[cardigirl]

19 minutes ago, Xantar said:

I did not see that last line coming. 

I did, from a mile away. Whether or not it turns out to be true remains to be seen. 
 

Bye bye Dylan.

[ShadowHunter]

Evan Peters! I've loved him and his lifeless shark eyes since S1 of American Horror Story. Refreshing seeing him play a sane character.

I felt for Erin's dad. Having to be told news like that.

Dylan sucks. His girlfriend sucks.

 

 

 

[OldButHappy]

35 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

I think it’s Frank Sheehan!

Who is Frank Sheehan???? I never remember names.

Imdb had the answer...gag.I'll probably finish watching, but have low hopes for this.

Edited April 26, 2021 by OldButHappy

[blixie]

Frank is Mare’s ex husband, Erin’s teacher.

[preeya]

The coming attraction showed Mare and the detective rushing off to question the Deacon (Mark?) at "the house of God."  I wonder where that's going to take us.

Seems as if everyone in this small town has skeletons in the closet.

Edited April 26, 2021 by preeya

[Cheezwiz]

5 minutes ago, preeya said:

The coming attraction showed Mare and the detective rushing off to question the Deacon (Mark?) at "the house of God."  I wonder where that's going to take us.

As soon as the church Deacon was featured in a scene saying that he didn't really know Erin from the  church group she was in that well, I knew he'd probably turn up again as a suspect. Like Frank Sheehan, it seems anyone who claims not to have known Erin actually knew her too well.

[hoodooznoodooz]

The interview cuts with the teenagers were hilarious.

[Cheezwiz]

Just now, hoodooznoodooz said:

The interview cuts with the teenagers were hilarious.

Agreed - that was really well done, and added a bit of levity to the bleakness.

I hope Mare continues to warm up to her fellow investigator. I felt kinda bad for him this episode. I can't believe Evan Peters is old enough to be playing a Detective. To me he'll always be the striped shirt kid from the first season of American Horror Story. I also can't believe that was a whole decade ago now.

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Xantar said:

I did not see that last line coming. 

I never pick up on things, EVER.   But the scene between Mare and Frank was weird.  I think even Mare picked up on it but really purposely acted like she didn't.  

[paigow]

Zabel: Are we carpooling? Or I could just run

[Snazzy Daisy]

52 minutes ago, OldButHappy said:

Who is Frank Sheehan???? I never remember names.

Imdb had the answer...gag.I'll probably finish watching, but have low hopes for this.

Frank is Mare’s ex husband, Kevin & Siobhan’s dad, little Drew’s grandad, Faye’s fiancé and Erin’s math teacher.

[grawlix]

So far, the show reminds me of Broadchurch.   Small town murder.  Investigating detective's life deeply entangled with everyone else in town.   Every episode will probably present a new prime suspect.

I'm a little confused about the gunshot question during the interview montage, was Erin shot?  Did they say how she died?  I had assumed from the way Erin's body was left that she was sexually assaulted prior to her death.  I don't remember seeing a gun shot wound on the body.

What is up with Mare's mom?  Although she knew that Carrie (Drew's mom) was going to fight for custody,  she purposely didn't tell Mare that.  I also question PA Child Services judgement if they consider giving Carrie full custody.  Maybe Carrie's lawyer is gaslighting her.

Either Tony Del Rasso (Brianna's father) has a major league pitching arm or the windows in Mare's house are made of shit.  I don't see how a gallon of unfrozen milk would make it that far into her house, let alone get past the window.

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, grawlix said:

I'm a little confused about the gunshot question during the interview montage, was Erin shot?  Did they say how she died?  I had assumed from the way Erin's body was left that she was sexually assaulted prior to her death.  I don't remember seeing a gun shot wound on the body.

To me, it looked like someone hit her in the forehead with a shovel, but I guess it was a gunshot.

Mare broke my heart describing the physicians’ various diagnoses for Kevin. 
 

Have a good nightmare.

 

(paraphrasing:)

Is Brianna waitressing tonight?

Yes.

Could you have her come out?

Why? What’s going- -

Just have her come out.

 

You’re friends with all these people?

Yeah.

 

[Snazzy Daisy]

2 hours ago, grawlix said:

I'm a little confused about the gunshot question during the interview montage, was Erin shot?  Did they say how she died?  I had assumed from the way Erin's body was left that she was sexually assaulted prior to her death.  I don't remember seeing a gun shot wound on the body.

Same here, confused on the gun’s Q and Mare doing the finger gun to Chief Carter. There’s no gun shot wound (gsw) on Erin’s body. The deep cut on her left eyebrow doesn’t seem like gsw.

 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Last week, Mr. EB said that Roy from The Office was the obvious murderer because the real Scranton Strangler was never caught and who knows what really happened after Roy got married? For that reason, when the deacon guy started sounding sketchy, I told him he must have been wrong about Roy, only to get that twist at the end. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN! But the fact that it was brought up so early in the series means it's probably going to end up being a red herring. Or maybe this will be shades of Broadchurch and he killed her to keep her from telling people about their relationship.

The author guy seemed fine for a one night stand in the last episode but he was a complete ass this week. First he tracked her down and sent her flowers at work after she'd made it clear that she would call him if she wanted to see him again, so red flag for boundary issues. Then he guilt tripped her into coming to an ego fluffing book party thrown in his honor after she'd already said no because she's a little bit busy trying to solve the murder of a teenage girl. When she arrived he saw her, gave her the "hold on a minute" sign, and then proceeded to ignore her. I'm not saying he had to spend every second with her and devote his full attention to her, but he couldn't be bothered to break away from his adoring fans for one minute to say hello to Mare. He clearly just wanted her to see that all these women were fawning all over him. He didn't think it was worth his time to even speak to her until he saw that she was leaving. He can fuck right off. Mare was right to say it was just a one night thing.

In other Men Are the Worst storylines, Brianna's dad needs to have a seat. I get why he was upset when Mare initially came to the restaurant and took his daughter away in handcuffs because it was a shock and he had no idea what was going on. But by the time he decided to attack her outside her home, stalk her, follow her home, and toss a gallon of milk through her window, he KNEW what his daughter had done. Mare had video of her beating the crap out of a girl who is now dead, yet this father felt justified in attacking Mare of all people? The denial is strong in people, especially when it comes to their kids. Bonus points for being dumb enough for him to do all this while driving around in a van with the name of his restaurant plastered on the side.

And it appears the fruit didn't fall far from the shitty tree. When Brianna told Mare she was a bitch and that was probably why her son killed himself, I was surprised that Mare didn't slap the smug look right off her face.

I'm not saying that Dylan deserved to be murdered, but I won't miss that asshole.

Edited April 27, 2021 by ElectricBoogaloo

[EtheltoTillie]

My DVR was acting up, so I watched the second half before the first.  Watching the scene where she talks to Frank about Erin was more revealing to me because I already knew he might have something to hide. Mare seemed to pick up on something when he said he knew her home life was a problem then tried to cover up by saying it was just a guess. I don’t know if I would have suspected as much if I saw it in the right order. 

I liked how Mare kept eating her sandwich with a hole in her window. I kept thinking there must be glass in the sandwich. 

[pasdetrois]

Excellent episode. The teenager interview montage saved it from misery porn. Very fine work by Kate in this episode.

When Mare spoke with Frank about Erin, there was a moment when his eyes did a kind of shifty skitter, and I thought A Ha! I also wondered earlier about various religious guys.

If Erin suspected Frank as the baby's father, why was she pestering Dylan about baby stuff? And Frank's fiance seems to know something.

Some people have a certain distinct PA accent, which is similar to Baltimore, and I heard hints of it last night. I think it was Evan Peters and one other actor. Good job!

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by pasdetrois

[cardigirl]

2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Last week, Mr. EB said that Roy from The Office was the obvious murderer because the real Scranton Strangler was never caught and who knows what really happened after Roy got married? For that reason, when the deacon guy started sounding sketchy, I told him he must have been wrong about Roy, only to get that twist at the end. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN! But the fact that it was brought up so early in the series means it's probably going to end up being a red herring. Or maybe this will be shades of Broadchurch and he killed her to keep her from telling people about their relationship.

Mr. EB and I think alike as I made that prediction last week in the spoiler and speculation thread. Not about the Scranton Strangler (ha ha), but that Frank would turn out to be the murderer, because he's the high school math teacher and connected to both girls. 

We'll have to wait and see if it turns out to be true that Frank is indeed the father of Erin's baby and then I wonder if Erin's dad will take Frank for a ride in the woods. 

Also, Erin's father was so upset (as a father should be) but part of me was thinking he was just upset because he had no one left to microwave mac n cheese for him anymore.

I like this show, but sometimes I wonder if the obvious clichés are going to do it in.  High school teachers involved with lonely students, priests involved with lonely girls/boys. Brutal fathers. Mare not understanding what goose liver pate was. C'mon. That whole scene at the book party was trite (to me). 

One BIG question I was left with after this show was why was Siobhan out of touch for so long? Where was she? And Mare really didn't make her explain that.  Just asked her about her time in the woods. So what is up with that Siobhan?

Oh, and one more thought.  I'd be mad as hell at Mare too, if I was Katie's mother, because it looks like Mare decided and wrote off my daughter's disappearance a year ago without much of an effort. Judging by Mare's "process," no wonder Katie was never found. Now a second girl has come to harm, not saying the cases are connected but it's going to shine a light on what Mare does or doesn't know.   

[Cristofle]

Agreeing with the similarities to Broadchurch.

The show was effective in this episode of making both the deacon and Mare's ex suspicious - both claimed not to know her well, both were squirrely in their denials and Frank making a claim about Erin's home life directly after saying he didn't really talk to her was weird - so I honestly am not sure which one is giving off worse vibes. I only tend to think the deacon is the more likely candidate for the baby's father because I can't imagine they'd give Frank away so soon.

It probably wasn't professional for Mare to arrest Brianna in the middle of the restaurant but I clearly would not be professional either because I thoroughly enjoyed her humiliating that heinous little brat. Her father is also terrible and gives insight into why she's so dreadful.

If the perceived babydaddy is dead, I won't miss him, but Erin's father probably shouldn't be throwing stones given his poor treatment of her in the pilot.

I'm enjoying Kate Winslet's vibe with Evan Peters. 

I had the same question about a gunshot wound, but they asked all the kids if they'd heard a shot, so I thinking maybe I just didn't see it. 

I imagine there's a reason for Siobhan to cop such attitude with her mother, but it's already getting on my nerves. 

[ShadowHunter]

9 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

The interview cuts with the teenagers were hilarious.

It was. The scene with Mare going through her lipstick was funny as well. Especially when she picked up the blue one lol. 

Mare and Colin were good together as well. Him asking her for a reset button and introducing himself again and he just kept talking lol. She half smiled which is good and rare. Smart of him to tell her he knew the case was hard on her. Good dynamic between Kate and Evan.

Tony is an asshole and bully. I see where Brianna gets it.

So Mare and Frank's son killed himself. Rough.

I hope Dylan is truly gone but I fear he will survive. 

The Priest seemed suspicious to me.

Kenny and John's other cousin seemed suspicious as well. Probably me just not trusting anyone lol.

 

 

 

[Cheyanne11]

22 minutes ago, ShadowHunter said:

Kenny and John's other cousin seemed suspicious as well. Probably me just not trusting anyone lol.

He's definitely suspicious or there'd be no need for that scene when he was acting upset/squirrely and John asked if he was alright and he sort of shrugged it off.  Thinking he's in line for being the baby daddy, too.

Brianna clearly gets her sparkling personality from her dad, that's for sure.  What an ass.  I did have to laugh at Brianna's mom following him to Mare's house to try and stop him, then just crying in the street and Jean Smart sighing and saying "come on in."  It felt spot-on, small town appropriate.

[blixie]

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What is up with Mare's mom?  Although she knew that Carrie (Drew's mom) was going to fight for custody,  she purposely didn't tell Mare that. 

I think her family has learned it's better not to be the messenger of any bad news. It really depends on why Carrie didn't have full custody: did she willing give it up to get clean? If so giving Drew back would probably be a done deal. If she lost custody because of neglect than that would probably be harder, but in the end social services likes to keep bio families together and especially if they are actively engaged in doing and being better.

I am really bad at mysteries so I thought the dad reveal would be her own father, but I still think he's the one who killed her. The show seemed to strongly insinuate Erin WAS shot, whether it looked like it or not, and then the next thing we see is her father with a gun. He didn't even accuse Dylan of anything so it seems like he knew the kid didn't do it? 

I doubt Mare has any suspicion about her ex being the kids father and instead has a suspicion he's not telling her everything he knows about Erin. 

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Kenny and John's other cousin seemed suspicious as well. Probably me just not trusting anyone lol.

Yes, something is up there, in my mind he knows Kenny did it.

I still don't see this show as misery porn, there is enough general levity (the teenager montage, the awkward reluctant coffee byplay with Peters, the pate in the couch) for me to not feel it's oppressively dark, and even things like Dawn seemingly mad at the cops but not specifically at Mare? Enough so that she defended Mare to Brianna's psychotic father. The show has enough nuance to not at all fall to it's genre clichess.

[FemmyV]

6 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

But by the time he decided to attack her outside her home, stalk her, follow her home, and toss a gallon of milk through her window, he KNEW what his daughter had done. Mare had video of her beating the crap out of a girl who is now dead, yet this father felt justified in attacking Mare of all people?

Brad Inglesby grew up in a town like this, he's said, and I attribute them being written like this to reflect the perception of someone who looked around their Smallville home town, and saw how a few families had absolute rule. Same thing we saw in Paper Cuts. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by FemmyV

[EtheltoTillie]

Chekhov's milk container!

 

[Broderbits]

I find it hard to believe there was no paternity test done when Erin's baby was born. Wouldn't Dylan's parents have wanted proof the child was actually his before he starts those years of unpaid child support in his future?

[paigow]

1 minute ago, GussieK said:

Chekhov's milk container!

This would be very difficult in Canada because a gallon of milk is generally sold in 3 plastic mini bags...

There are a few gallon jugs around, but not in mainstream supermarkets.

[tennisgurl]

I was suspicious of the ex right away when we found out that he was Erin's teacher, but with him being mentioned so quickly it makes me think he's a read herring. He may or may not be the father of Erin's son but I don't know if he is my prime suspect. The priest seems suspicious, he was a bit too quick to say that he didn't know Erin, but we are still in the early part of the mystery where everyone feels like a suspect.  

So I guess the asshole apple doesn't fall too far from the asshole tree with Breanna and her father Tony. I guess I cant blame him for being freaked by his daughter being a murder suspect, but he quickly took it way too far, you can see where Breanna gets her threatening bullying behavior from. I did laugh a bit at his wife just crying in the yard while Mare's mom gave a long suffering sigh and invited her in. 

The montage of teens being interviewed was a welcome bit of comedy in the middle of the bleakness, especially the one girl who called Breanna a "fucking bitch" but then apologized for swearing and went for "a bad person" instead. I already like Evan Peters as the out of town detective who is struggling to play catch up with the dynamics of the town and Mare's relationships to everyone being investigated, and also added a bit of much needed levity. I am glad that mare is warming to him a bit, even if they are probably not going to be carpooling quite yet. 

Good choice on Mare's part to invite some of Erin's dad's relatives/friends to be there when she delivered the news, they can be there for emotional support and to hold him back when he gets violent. Erin's dad did seem really upset by Erin's death, to the point where he killed Dylan seemingly in revenge, but he is still high on my suspect list. I can absolutely see him killing Erin in a drunken rage, he might actually not know he did it and really does think he avenged her by killing Dylan, and maybe the real twist will be whoever helped him dump the body? Or he killed Dylan for some other reason or to pin all the blame on Dylan, because he might get more leniency for killing his daughter's killer than killing his daughter? Or he blames Dylan not for her death, but for knocking her up and that "made" him kill Erin? Also, who has her son now? Her aunt? 

Siobhan seems like she is hiding something, or else her not telling her mom that she was one of the last people to see Erin is just really shitty behavior. She seems to really hold some resentment for her mom, possibly due to her brother suicide? Does she think Mare handled things badly with him? 

I am still really liking the show, the mystery is twisty and the setting is bleak but instantly memorable with a lot of great actors. I can definitely see the Broadchurch comparisons, murder of a child brings out the dark secrets of a small town and is tangled in the lead detectives personal life, but I also see a lot of Happy Valley. It even has the lead character being a female detective dealing with her child's suicide while struggling to raise that child's own child and is investigating a grisly crime in an area plagued with unemployment and drug abuse. 

[preeya]

7 hours ago, cardigirl said:

Mare not understanding what goose liver pate was. C'mon. That whole scene at the book party was trite (to me). 

I was also wondering along these lines, if in fact a town that's described as small and rural would even have the facilities to host a lavish book party, let alone one that serves liver pate and has a valet stand in the middle of what looked like an empty lot.  Who were those people at the party? They certainly weren't residents of East-town.

I LOL'd when Mare stuffed the partly chewed pate behind the cushion of the sofa.

Edited April 26, 2021 by preeya

[lakin1013]

Wait, wait,. wait.  And I admit to having some trouble managing all the characters thrown at us. 

32 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I was suspicious of the ex right away when we found out that he was Erin's teacher, but with him being mentioned so quickly it makes me think he's a read herring. He may or may not be the father of Erin's son but I don't know if he is my prime suspect. 

I thought Erin's bestie told Lori Ross, Mare's fellow basketball player and BFF (Julianne Nicholson)  that Mare's dead son was the father.  This would be Mare's son who killed himself.  Did I get that completely wrong?

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, lakin1013 said:

I thought Erin's bestie told Lori Ross, Mare's fellow basketball player and BFF (Julianne Nicholson)  that Mare's dead son was the father.  This would be Mare's son who killed himself.  Did I get that completely wrong?

The bestie told Lori that she thought the father was Frank Sheehan, who is Mare's ex-husband.  Her son's name was Kevin.

[lakin1013]

4 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

The bestie told Lori that she thought the father was Frank Sheehan, who is Mare's ex-husband.  Her son's name was Kevin.

TY.  I did have that completely wrong.

[blixie]

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Mare not understanding what goose liver pate was.

I have no idea where you think she didn't understand goose liver pate? She just didn't end up liking it. And I thought it was funny especially on top of her getting herself together to put lipstick on and then the asshole ignores her when she shows up. I love that Mare's put upon/PITA attitude is both somewhat justified, somewhat not, but yet and still her loved ones still think she's justifiably the bad guy in every situation. Being "nice" doesn't make you a good person.  Being abrasive doesn't make you a bad one. Humiliating your boyfriends ex while you beat the shit out of her in public does in fact make you a fucking bitch though, Brianna and Dad of Brianna.

[cardigirl]

24 minutes ago, blixie said:

I have no idea where you think she didn't understand goose liver pate? She just didn't end up liking it. And I thought it was funny especially on top of her getting herself together to put lipstick on and then the asshole ignores her when she shows up. I love that Mare's put upon/PITA attitude is both somewhat justified, somewhat not, but yet and still her loved ones still think she's justifiably the bad guy in every situation. Being "nice" doesn't make you a good person.  Being abrasive doesn't make you a bad one. Humiliating your boyfriends ex while you beat the shit out of her in public does in fact make you a fucking bitch though, Brianna and Dad of Brianna.

Because she took it and ate it and then spat it out. If she knew what it was, she wouldn't have done that. That entire scene was telegraphed from the moment she sat down and you saw hors d'oeuvres being passed around. Oh no!  Mare's gonna get pate and hate it. I bet she spits it out! Oooh, because goose live pate is gross.  But Mare is not some hick. She's a detective, which requires some education. She was married to a high school teacher which requires that he has a degree. It felt out of place to me, and not realistic. I felt like she would have experienced goose liver pate before in her life and NOT done what she did. So, the moment was not real to me. 

Neither was the moment of her just sitting there, continuing to eat a sandwich (hoagie) that most likely had glass in it, to show how tough she is, after that gallon of milk came crashing through the front window of her house. Not realistic at all. 

I think the party or event was at the college/university that the writer guy/Mare's one-night-stand is teaching for a time. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by cardigirl

[Broderbits]

1 hour ago, cardigirl said:

Because she took it and ate it and then spat it out. If she knew what it was, she wouldn't have done that.

Maybe she knew what it was, had eaten it before, but just didn't like that particular version. Haven't we all experienced something that wasn't up to previous standards?

 

1 hour ago, blixie said:

I love that Mare's put upon/PITA attitude is both somewhat justified, somewhat not, but yet and still her loved ones still think she's justifiably the bad guy in every situation.

Thank you! It seems to me Mare's life(and attitude)would be so much better without her "loving" family judging every move, and without her ex buying the house right behind hers. She's hard enough on herself, they don't need to pile it on.

[preeya]

5 minutes ago, Broderbits said:

Maybe she knew what it was, had eaten it before, but just didn't like that particular version. Haven't we all experienced something that wasn't up to previous standards?

IMO, that's not likely. She's a "hoagie & cheese wiz girl" and probably never ever tasted "liver pate."

[FemmyV]

2 hours ago, preeya said:

I was also wondering along these lines, if in fact a town that's described as small and rural would even have the facilities to host a lavish book party, let alone one that serves liver pate and has a valet stand in the middle of what looked like an empty lot.  Who were those people at the party? They certainly weren't residents of East-town.

I LOL'd when Mare stuffed the partly chewed pate behind the cushion of the sofa.

Community colleges often host cultural happenings.

 

[Snazzy Daisy]

Colin’s quote of the day!

Expect more in incoming episodes 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Lily H]

I'm confused. Why did the dead girl's friend go to the Julianne Nicholson character with her big "secret"? What does that woman have to do with anything, other than being the friend of Mare the cop?

[Pop Tart]

9 hours ago, cardigirl said:

Oh, and one more thought.  I'd be mad as hell at Mare too, if I was Katie's mother, because it looks like Mare decided and wrote off my daughter's disappearance a year ago without much of an effort. Judging by Mare's "process," no wonder Katie was never found. Now a second girl has come to harm, not saying the cases are connected but it's going to shine a light on what Mare does or doesn't know.   

I don't think Mare wrote off Katie's disappearance. I think in episode one she mentioned all the ways in which she'd tried to find leads. Katie was different then Erin in that she just disappeared. Sometimes it's harder to find a missing person than it is to investigate when a body has actually been found. And someone else may remember better than I am, but I got the impression that Katie had some drug issues and/or maybe prostitution? 

I loved last night's episode. So many great little character moments.

I was irritated by her mother and daughter not telling Mare about the custody suit, but I also kind of got it. Probably a combination of hoping Carrie didn't actually follow through on suing for custody and not wanting to be the one to bring Mare the news if it actually was happening. Still her mom has now twice not told Mare a piece of crucial info (engagement in ep one and custody now), so I can see why Mare may be a bit aggravated with her mom.

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, Lily H said:

I'm confused. Why did the dead girl's friend go to the Julianne Nicholson character with her big "secret"? What does that woman have to do with anything, other than being the friend of Mare the cop?

Yea, I didn't get that either. At first, I assumed Erin's friend was going to say that she suspected Erin's baby daddy was the Julianne Nicholson character's husband, who is Erin's second cousin. I was glad it wasn't an incest thing at least lol. Although, as someone else pointed out, Erin's other second cousin seems suspicious so I guess we can't rule it out yet. Anyway, yea, can someone explain why Erin's friend chose to tell that woman this info?

1 hour ago, Pop Tart said:

And someone else may remember better than I am, but I got the impression that Katie had some drug issues and/or maybe prostitution? 

Yea, I thought someone had implied in the first ep that Katie was maybe a prostitute but I don't know if I'm imagining that or it actually happened.

This show really is full of so many clichés, feels like a rip off of a few other shows, and is bordering on misery porn (which I think will just get worse tbh) and yet I still feel the need to continue watching it.

[Pike Ludwell]

I agree that the author's behavior at the party was rude. I would have liked to see Mare just leave, despite his comments. If he's going to treat her like this at this early stage where he is supposed to be totally infatuated with her and pursuing her, how will he act as the relationship ages? Of course Mare is sharp (I think). She's aware of what she needs to be seeing from here on, and I guess it's reasonable to give him another chance and see what happens, especially since there are probably not many interesting men in that area.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Pike Ludwell

[raven]

11 hours ago, cardigirl said:

One BIG question I was left with after this show was why was Siobhan out of touch for so long?

I thought Siobhan was with her girlfriend.   There's a quick shot in last week's ep of the two of them in bed together though I'm not sure of the timeline.  I'm guessing Mare doesn't know about this.

I don't think the show is misery porn.  There's bleakness but also some nice touches - when Mare is driving out to the creek the view is pretty; water through the trees and then I remembered she was going to see Erin's body.  The teen montage was funny.  I also laughed when Mare went to Frank's and Faye answers the door and says "you've heard we're engaged" and Mare just says "yep" .  LOL.  I knew Faye was waiting for Mare to congratulate her.   Maybe I feel this way because I'm watching the first season of True Detective (never seen it) and THAT, my fellow posters, is depressing misery porn.

Though yeah, Guy Pearce acted like an ass, I liked that Mare was interested enough to go and meet him.  The make up montage was funny as well.   Since Mare's family doesn't seem the most supportive, I'm glad she at least has a good friend.

The show did a great job of giving us Kevin's backstory and Kate Winslet's acting in the scene with the therapist was spot on.

I'm thinking this was red herring week - Frank being shifty and named; the minister being shifty; the cousin being shifty.   If Erin had doubts about the baby's paternity, she probably couldn't afford a test and so naming Dylan was easiest.  Or possibly she was scared of the man she thinks is the bio-dad but now she was desperate and went to him for the $ for the ear surgery so he killed her.

It's also possible Dylan isn't dead.  The follow up on that should be interesting, dead or not.

Mare showed great restraint in the interview room with Brianna-bitch.  I would have bashed her with the laptop.