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7 minutes ago, Lamima said:

So Xmas wins veto and Cody is goners. What if Nicole wins? She cannot possibly let that opportunity pass, can she? She deserves to lose, even to Enzo if she keeps Cody off the block. I am guessing she will just throw veto. No need to even put herself in that position.

She would absolutely not get rid of Cody. I don't see her throwing veto though because she would probably be wary of Christmas winning and getting rid of her. I'm sure she certainly hopes Cody or Enzo win veto though so that she doesn't have to make the decision and she knows she'd be 100% safe.

7 minutes ago, Lamima said:

Totally agree with this. But do think Enzo is the goat. That jury seemed to have his number on him not doing anything and just being Cody's stooge. 

But everyone has just been Cody's stooge lol. Cody will certainly beat Enzo, so he's Cody's goat (they are all goats to Cody because he'll beat them all sadly) but I think Enzo would have a solid chance against Nicole and Christmas so he doesn't read goat to me. I mean, he's played a terrible game and only made it this far because of Cody but he is not someone who has no shot at winning.

Just imagine if Cody goes this week. The winner would not be set in stone and the finale would actually have some unpredictability. Obviously, Cody is 100% gonna win this veto but it's still nice to imagine lol.

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I'm of several different minds about this whole mess.  I do think it was fine for her game to target Bay/Day as a duo, which however it started out is the case now.  But I'm sorry -her going on about

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6 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Having worn himself out, Enzo is laying on the sofa while Cody peruses the memory wall and whispers numbers to himself. (Study, Enzo! This is why he wins!) Enzo says he misses Eminem and Taylor Swift. Jay-Z’s album is good, but he’s feeling nostalgic.

Enzo says he wants a sweep. HoH and Veto. “Good luck being me”, Cody snarks. (Fuck you Cody, Enzo does not say but should.) Cody says that a sweep is very hard to do. You really gotta be on your game, he says in a keep-dreaming tone.

Enzo says he misses the fun Cody. Fun Cody will return when I win veto, Cody promises. 

“You gotta clean that shit up”, Cody then admonishes, referring to Christmas. Enzo sighs and says he knows, and they have to get past this or he’s gonna start crying.  Cody suggests that he tell Christmas something that will throw her off her game. Maybe I’ll tell her if I win it I’ll throw it to her, Enzo ponders, so she’ll vote out Nicole. Cody’s ok with that plan.

Cody leaves and Enzo stares at the  memory wall. “Day 65, Nicole won it. Day 58, Cody won it. Day 58, Decapitate.” He peers at a photo. “What did he win?” (Keep studying, Enzo.)

Cody returns and resumes studying and whispering numbers. Enzo goes back to the couch and bellows, “I miss Taylor Swift!”

Same as it ever was.

This right here proves to me Cody deserves the win.  Just in this one comment from @30 Helens you can see that Cody is studying the wall, also subtly and tacitly reminding a follower like Enzo that Cody is the number one guy, (because anyone who could sweep could only be him) then telling Enzo what needs to be done about Christmas, then giving his approval to Enzo’s response, then Cody leaves, and possibly figuring Enzo might finally study the wall, comes back and studies it again himself.  I didn’t want him to win because that would wipe away his boneheaded move in his season, but he clearly is running this game from day one.  Whether Derrick set him up in advance alliance-wise, (and everyone came in with some type of alliance) Cody is obviously thinking for himself, making good decisions, winning comps, socializing very well, and giving the orders to everyone else.  He isn’t who I wanted to win, but he deserves it.  

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peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

11 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

I have a hard time saying the person who had the guy he handed 500k to set-up his game weeks in advance earned anything.

Yea really.

And it's not like he's played some kind of transcendentally good game that you have to respect. He got in a big alliance (that Derrick helped set up for him) and he won comps. I mean, he played the game the way Jackson/Holly, Tyler/Kaycee, Paul/Josh, and Paul/Nicole did. That's just the way the game is played now. It's like meh lol.

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Lamima

Lamima

Plus his cocky attitude with Enzo these past couple days is pretty ballsy. He has Enzo in his back pocket but he should want to keep him there. And being an arrogant douche is NOT the way. Enzo could say to himself 'oh yeah...well fuck you, bro' and win the veto and use it to pull down Xmas. Or at the F3 HOH, if Enzo wins...  I mean Cody has Nicole and Enzo stupidly wanting to take him to F2 but they must have some idea that Cody will win and Cody's arrogance just highlights that even more. Dude needs to be more humble.

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Jillibean

Jillibean

9 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I don't get it. Christmas is the perfect Goat. Against her you are guaranteed to win. Nobody likes her. She is this year's Ginamarie. Why aren't they bringing her to Final 2?

Cody doesn’t have to, because he can win against anyone. Nicole is either delusional and thinks she can win against Cody or is playing for Cody to win—unclear which. And Enzo is Enzo. Seriously though, does anyone have any clarity on whether Nicole actually believes she can win against Cody? She has to, right? I’m anticipating the epic cry fest when Nicole loses, whines to Vic about how unfair the jury was, and realizes even he thinks Cody should have won. 

IMO Cody deserves the win (though I am not even slightly happy about it) because regardless of who wheeled and dealed for him beforehand, he got himself into a position where the other players willingly ceded all power in the game to him. Paul should have won for the same reason in 19, but he got too cute trying to make himself look like a good guy at the same time. But much like in 19, all of these people have been playing for Cody to win for weeks now. 

Enzo definitely should have nommed Cody just to get rid of that perfect record. At this point, Cody likely already knows whom he’s bringing to the F2, and it’s based on what he thinks is best for him, not whom he likes more that day. I think Enzo already knows deep down that it’s Nicole. Cody has been so obvious for weeks now about his strongest loyalty being to her (and as recently as last night) and when he gets to the F2 he can add to his resume that he never betrayed his real ally in the house. I feel like Enzo is very close to a repeat of his last game, quietly bobbing along to the final 3 only to be pushed out because neither of the other contestants intends to take him to the F2. 

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Alice Mudgarden

Alice Mudgarden

I actually think, impression-wise, Cody did himself no favors coming back. Granted, I was on the periphery as far as feeds go in BB16 (because the season was so boring), but I don't recall disliking him. He seemed inoffensive, more or less. In fact, when it was him who was cast and not Paulie, I said "oh good, NOT the asshole". But now my indifference has slid into dislike (still nowhere near how much I can't stand Paulie, though) and I doubt that's what he'd want. We say they won't care if they win the money but I don't really think that's true. Not anymore, anyway. Just look at how many people now say they'd rather lose but be loved instead of win and be hated.

ANYWAY, yeah, Cody sucks too.

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Jillibean

Jillibean

48 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

We say they won't care if they win the money but I don't really think that's true. Not anymore, anyway. Just look at how many people now say they'd rather lose but be loved instead of win and be hated.

ANYWAY, yeah, Cody sucks too.

Cody keeps saying he’s sure they’re hated, etc., but you know that he doesn’t really believe that. If/when he gets out and doesn’t get lauded as a favorite player and a genius mastermind, he’s going to be disappointed, whether or not he has a big check. 

But yes, still no contest between him and Paulie in terms of whom I dislike more. 

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peachmangosteen

20 minutes ago, Ellee said:

I haven’t watched the episode again but I read where someone thought Tyler’s tears were fake when he was talking to Da’Vonne during the jury segment.   I didn’t think so.  Were they?

They seemed fake as hell to me. Also, I’m pretty sure there were no actual tears, just a lot of face pulling. But I think Tyler is one of the fakest people ever on this show so I’m biased. My sister couldn’t care less about him either way but she was like, ‘why is he fake crying,’ lol.

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Luckylondon

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20 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

They seemed fake as hell to me. Also, I’m pretty sure there were no actual tears, just a lot of face pulling. But I think Tyler is one of the fakest people ever on this show so I’m biased. My sister couldn’t care less about him either way but she was like, ‘why is he fake crying,’ lol.

Agree. Fake AF. 

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leocadia

leocadia

I think Tyler was genuinely upset that his/his "brand" image took a big hit by his actions, (What will Angela say???) more than being upset that he damaged his relationship with Da'Vonne.   He was glad to "make up" with Day, but his real relief came when he saw that Angela still loved him.  (Eyeroll). 

It still burns me that no one has questioned him on why he continued to pretend to Day/Bay that he was pushing Christmas to send him home when he already knew prior to the veto ceremony that it wasn't happening. He just blames it all on not being able to make Christmas do it, when he had changed his mind as well.  I can buy him having a weak moment and thinking that he could go home to Angela while making a "grand gesture" in saving Bay/Day. I can buy him changing his mind and wanting to stay.  Where he screwed up is not telling them that the plan had changed. He helped Bay with her veto speech and laughed with Christmas about it, and that was just ugly.  Whether it was done out of cowardice (likely) or spite, it was the one thing that he has conveniently forgotten during his apology tour and the one thing I want him called out on!  

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Summerday

Summerday

Ok, here's my theory on why Tyler claimed to want to quit the game and why he brought BLM into it. Buckle up! Lol 

He and Angela bonded over backdooring Bayleigh; that's how they first became close. The way that they backdoored her was unnecessarily nasty and personal IMO and it created a lot of controversy. Then there was the controversy from the house meeting and blaming Bayleigh for being the hacker etc. And then their showmance...a lot people weren't buying it because it seemed fake as hell. So, there was a lot of controversy surrounding them when they got out of the house and I think that that controversy drove them closer together. It created an us-against-the-world type vibe.

Well now, two years later, the controversy has died down, and maybe there was a realization that their feelings were less about love and more about proving the world wrong. Soooo, maybe, subconsciously, Tyler decided to create some controversy so that they could get those us-against-the-world feelings back...so he used BLM as a game move knowing that it would be controversial. Beacause I really don't see how anyone in their right mind could reference BLM and then go back on it. If you're going to make a claim like that, you can't take it back...you just can't. And Tyler's not stupid, he knows that, so I really can't think of any other motivation to use BLM as a game move than to create controversy...

The way that they cut the feeds and wouldn't let us see Egg Nog supposedly convincing Tyler not to quit makes me think that he never planned to quit in the first place...production knew that and they were trying to protect his reputation.

It's hard for me to believe that Tyler ever wanted to quit the game because of how sad he looked when his game was actually on the line...he looked devastated when he lost the veto comp. He was seriously campaigning to Enzo and Cody before he was actually evicted, and he looked like he was trying not to cry when he would talk to Cody and would realize that his campaigning wasn't working. 

3 hours ago, Lamima said:

Yep...fake. In his talking head after he had that 'trying not to smile' tell that my own kids have when they lie. Where the corners of his mouth look like they are being pulled down but fighting to turn up. 

That same smirk would come out when he was lying on his first season...he would have to put his face in the pillow/hide his face whenever he was lying because he couldn't stop smirking. 

 

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Coco88

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Sigh.  So Cody winning is a done deal.  Congratulations Derrick.  I hope Enzo goes out F3.  I hate Nicole and I know Enzo needs the money but I can’t reward his stupidity.  He was one of the few players who could have changed Cody’s march to victory and he just bowed down at Cody’s feet.  He deserves what he gets.

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4 minutes ago, Coco88 said:

Sigh.  So Cody winning is a done deal.  Congratulations Derrick.  I hope Enzo goes out F3.  I hate Nicole and I know Enzo needs the money but I can’t reward his stupidity.  He was one of the few players who could have changed Cody’s march to victory and he just bowed down at Cody’s feet.  He deserves what he gets.

Enzo's not a bad dude but he's definitely someone that is only comfortable around a very homogeneous crowd. He was always going to stick with Cody because the white, conservative bro is the only type of person he's truly comfortable around. He was this way in BB12 and even more so this season. Cody is a conservative Italian dude from NJ. That's pretty much who Enzo was going to stick with all season.

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5 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

How I Killed Interest in a Reality Game Show, a five part limited series hosted by Cody Cauliflower and produced by Derrick Levasseur Productions, coming this spring to Investigation Discovery. 

I didn’t even think of the Derrick & Cody synergy of both being winners and how they’ll cash in more. Ugh! I.just.can’t.take.much.more.of.this.

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15 minutes ago, Coco88 said:

Sigh.  So Cody winning is a done deal.  Congratulations Derrick.  I hope Enzo goes out F3.  I hate Nicole and I know Enzo needs the money but I can’t reward his stupidity.  He was one of the few players who could have changed Cody’s march to victory and he just bowed down at Cody’s feet.  He deserves what he gets.

I'm torn between wanting Enzo to lose 9-0 or wanting Cody to cut him at Final 3. Cody won comps when he needed to, but Enzo is a huge reason why everything went so smoothly for him - telling Cody about the 2nd Wiseguys, telling him about Tyler's lie regarding the Committee and Cody coming after him, saving Nicole during the triple...ugh, it's pathetic. I have less of an issue with Nicole winning. At the very least, I think all of her moves have been to her own advantage, but Enzo...no. 

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Lamima

Lamima

2 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

I'm torn between wanting Enzo to lose 9-0 or wanting Cody to cut him at Final 3. Cody won comps when he needed to, but Enzo is a huge reason why everything went so smoothly for him - telling Cody about the 2nd Wiseguys, telling him about Tyler's lie regarding the Committee and Cody coming after him, saving Nicole during the triple...ugh, it's pathetic. I have less of an issue with Nicole winning. At the very least, I think all of her moves have been to her own advantage, but Enzo...no. 

This! 100%!!!

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HartofDixie

HartofDixie

4 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Cody won veto. The season is now officially over. I can't believe I'm gonna have to sit through a 2 hour finale when we know who's winning already lol.

Nicole was second apparently. This season is truly dark sided. 2020, man.

I’m just getting ready for post season when they all return to social media and start defending their shitty games, Janellousy, etc.

3 hours ago, ByaNose said:

I didn’t even think of the Derrick & Cody synergy of both being winners and how they’ll cash in more. Ugh! I.just.can’t.take.much.more.of.this.

Plus Nicole We’ll have 3 winners out of BB16.

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Luckylondon

Luckylondon

4 hours ago, Lamima said:

Yep...fake. In his talking head after he had that 'trying not to smile' tell that my own kids have when they lie. Where the corners of his mouth look like they are being pulled down but fighting to turn up. 

It’s known as duping delight. That small slight expression of glee that breaks through when they realize they have manipulated been presented falsely and it worked as they intended. 

it is often associated with narcissism and some sociopathy. However, it is unfair to pathologize that behavior in a game that requires manipulation and lying in order to out maneuver others. Except with Tyler, this instance was not about lying to someone that you are keeping them and then voting them out, it was him claiming to be 100% genuine and that his plan was foiled by Christmas who would not comply. The duper’s delight expression occurred when he realized that he covered his ass and she bought his story and remorse and forgave him and likely will come out of this clean if all media and also Day are believing and accepting his version of events. A sly smile of satisfaction of having successfully manipulated the story so that he expressed to say what happened and how genuine his emotions were and all his complex feelings and that it became out of his hands when Christmas would not agree and then also relief in the victory that he was successful in that Day listened to his explanation and *SHE* responded with empathy *for Tyler* and his tears.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/duping_delight

EtymologyEdit

Neologism coined by Paul Ekman in his book Telling Lies (1992).

NounEdit

duping delight (uncountable)

The pleasure of being able to manipulate someone, often made visible to others by flashing a smile at an inappropriate moment.quotations ▼

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BK1978

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20 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Same as it ever was.

As the days go by.

12 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Yea really.

And it's not like he's played some kind of transcendentally good game that you have to respect. He got in a big alliance (that Derrick helped set up for him) and he won comps. I mean, he played the game the way Jackson/Holly, Tyler/Kaycee, Paul/Josh, and Paul/Nicole did. That's just the way the game is played now. It's like meh lol.

I am not sure if that is the case for Paul/Nicole's season and to a lesser extent Tyler/Kaycee's season.  The alliances in Paul and Nicole's season seemed to be fluid.  Especially near end game where it was more multiple pairs facing off (Paul/Victor vs. Nicole/Corey vs. Natalie/James/Michelle) against each other.  In Kaycee's season there were two big alliances that were facing off, but only one seemed to understand how to play the game.

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LoveLeigh

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Cody is not locked in for the win. He will only win if he wins the last two comps and chooses himself who to take to f2 (which will be Enzo and then Cody wins).

Nicole will not take Cody. She will pick Enzo so she wins.

Enzo rode Cody's coat tails but he knows he will not win against him so he will take Nicole thinking the jury will not reward Nicole twice and make her a millionaire. He will not put his friendship with Cody over winning the prize money. Enzo stands some chance against Nicole and he has no chance against Cody and he knows that. 

If Cody evicts Nicole and Christmas stays in at f3 and she wins the final 2 comps she will take Enzo.

So how is Cody guaranteed the win? He is only going to win if he wins those final 2 comps and it is a crapshoot. Who else will take him to f2 and risk losing? 

 

 

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30 Helens

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13 hours ago, Jillibean said:

IMO Cody deserves the win (though I am not even slightly happy about it) because regardless of who wheeled and dealed for him beforehand, he got himself into a position where the other players willingly ceded all power in the game to him. 

I agree, although I’m not happy about it either. I don’t think it even matters who set up what alliance beforehand, or who made introductions, because once they were inside the house, they were on their own.  Planning can only go so far— there are too many unforeseen variables, differing personalities, and giant egos involved. Managing those personalities and getting them to do your bidding requires advanced social skills, and I think this is where Cody really excelled. He was also great at comps, obviously, and spent a lot of time memorizing stats so he could recall them without a moment’s hesitation.

Did Cody play an interesting game? Of course not. He didn’t do anything groundbreaking, either. But what he did, he did very well without ever losing focus. I can’t begrudge him the win, regardless of how I feel about it.

6 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Cody won veto. 

Well, at least Enzo gets Fun Cody back now.

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30 Helens

30 Helens

I was curious to see what you guys were seeing in Tyler’s reactions Thursday night, so I just rewatched that part of the episode. What I saw was, a guy who is embarrassed by his actions and has been dreading this conversation. The little smirky smile may seem inappropriate, but it’s a fairly common nervous reaction. And while I didn’t see any tears, it doesn’t mean he was faking. Putting your hand over your face and rubbing your eyes can be an attempt to prevent crying and hide any stray tears, not to act dramatic. I know because I’ve done it myself.  

I think Tyler’s biggest problem with the whole BLM debacle was not understanding the gravity of his actions. As a privileged white guy (I don’t know his background, but at the very least he enjoys white privilege), BLM is a concept, a cause. It’s not personal. He may genuinely believe in it, but I don’t think it means the same thing to him that it means to Da’vonne or David or Kevin. That is not to excuse his actions, not by a long shot. I’m just saying I saw a genuine apology from a guy who doesn’t yet realize how badly he screwed up. 

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PhoneCop

PhoneCop

6 hours ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

I don't think I can do this anymore. I gave up on the feeds, the noms and veto eps, and was speed watching the eviction eps, but it's done it. It's broken me. I can't even bring myself to finish this out. I'll still pop in here because I can't quit you guys, but I'm dunzo.

Welcome to Club Quitters! Have a drink, then let's see if we can find you a seat—it's gotten crowded in here.

As for everyone sticking it out the next ten days, let me just say:

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peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

9 hours ago, DakotaLavender said:

Who else will take him to f2 and risk losing? 

They both will absolutely take him. Maybe with Nicole, because she is a cunning little bitch, but she cares more about her image than anything so I think that would win out. Cody is guaranteed F2 now and he's all but guaranteed to win.

1 hour ago, Ellee said:

Keesha was the smartest one of everyone.  

Got her 40K to sit in a nice house, watching netflix, and having food delivered to her for 2 weeks and then 1 week having some fun with Janelle/Kaysar and then she bounced. Genius.

43 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

What if they vote Nicole out instead of Christmas.  To me Nicole stands more of a chance of winning the votes than Christmas.

The only vote is Cody and there isn't a way in hell he's voting Nicole out over Christmas. If he keeps Nicole he's guaranteed F2 since Nicole and Enzo will both take him. Christmas would not take him.

This will be the first time in 20 years I won't be watching the BB finale. It feels weird, but good lol. I'm really hoping that I've finally kicked the habit. I don't plan on coming back next season unless it's close to 50% BIPOC. And honestly, even that might not be enough. The game is just broken and unless they start over with new PTB then it's going to continue to be boring. 

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