Rosie O'Donnell: She's Back! (Bite it, Bitsy!)

[Jaded]

Thread to discuss Rosie, her return and more; much to the chagrin of Elisabeth and co.

Edited July 14, 2014 by Jaded

[LuckyBitch]

The new season with Rosie hasn't even started and Rosie is already making news.

 

Anyone want to bet that when Elisabeth returns to her Fox & Friends show from her "staycation" tomorrow, she will find a way to bring up Rosie and screech about her return to The View?

 

Another person not happy with the decision to re-hire Rosie is this Salon writer, all due to a shark fishing brouhaha from two and a half years ago (that I somehow competently missed until today):

 

Rosie O’Donnell, New Co-Host of The View, Killed an Endangered Hammerhead Shark

After controversial anti-vaccine activist Jenny McCarthy was let go from The View, the producers were presumably looking for someone with less of a history of being on the wrong side of public policy. In Rosie O’Donnell, they made an awful choice. O’Donnell killed an endangered hammerhead shark for fun, bragged about the experience, and insulted conservationists who were upset at her actions.

 

O’Donnell has been a frequent customer of “Mark the Shark,” an infamous shark hunter—that is, one of the few charter boat operators in Florida who doesn’t practice catch and release when fishing for sharks. He claims to have personally killed more than 100,000 sharks.

 

There's more at that link, including Rosie's tweets at the time, (January 2012), in reply to criticism she received,

 

The author also links to this article from January 2012, which has some of the info, including a photo:

 

Rosie O'Donnell, Shark Hunter

 

Am the only one who never heard or read anything about this until today?

 

[LuckyBitch]

Oops, sorry, @Jaded . I think I was typing my post when this was posted and I didn't see it. LOL, I went with "Bisty" when I posted mine. We can delete the topic I started, though. I can just re-post the Rosie info in this topic.

 

Sorry for the duplicate topics, Mods!

Edited July 14, 2014 by LuckyBitch

[Athena]

Merged topics. Used Bitsy title instead of Elizabeth. As always, if you want a new posters agreed topic change, let the mods know. Thanks.

[LuckyBitch]

Thanks so much, @Athena . I forgot that you could merge duplicate topics instead of deleting one.

 

We sure are keeping you busy in The View forum, aren't we? Thank goodness we found PTV or our heads would have exploded with everything going on and no good place to discuss it. Thanks again!

Edited July 14, 2014 by LuckyBitch

[pivot]

Are they really trying to compare killing an endangered animal to Jenny advocating for children not to get vaccinated and helping to cause the death of children from whooping cough, measles, etc.? Seriously?

[stillbored]

I had never heard of this controversy. You can tell from the kids that the pic was taken several years before the article was done. I don't agree with killing an animal for sport. But it's not like catching and releasing is a lot more humane (you're just terrorizing an animal for the fun of it).

I can't wait for Rosie to be back on the view though. It should be interesting.

[Cosmocrush]

Are they really trying to compare killing an endangered animal to Jenny advocating for children not to get vaccinated and helping to cause the death of children from whooping cough, measles, etc.? Seriously?

Heh.  Everyone wants a piece of Rosie O'Donnell's spotlight now and the easiest way appears to try and pick a fight with her.  Oh Rosie, I hope she knows what she's getting into. 

[RogerFromOhio]

If "Bitsy" was killing endangered animals for sport, you know there would be hell to pay!

You mean like when Sarah Palin was hunting wolves from helicopters?? I remember Elisabeth was defending that kind of hunt.... because it was a Republican doing the killing..... Republicans arent allowed to criticize other Republicans

[Jaded]

Makes me think of that young girl who has a page on Facebook where she posts pictures posing with all the animals she's hunted including exotic ones. I haven't gone straight to it but have seen it mentioned in various places.

[GoldDustWoman]

Makes me think of that young girl who has a page on Facebook where she posts pictures posing with all the animals she's hunted including exotic ones. I haven't gone straight to it but have seen it mentioned in various places.

I have seen it and it is the most disgusting thing ever.

[Lava VaVoom]

 

I have seen it and it is the most disgusting thing ever.

It has since been taken down.

[NextIteration]

Love the title!  Fishing and posing like that in So FL is not at all uncommon, in fact it's big business, I still have photos of my grandmother looking svelte in her suit with a sailfish, and the actual sailfish from the late 50s (the sailfish is now carefully boxed up but was displayed prominently in her home).  Sounds like that particular shark was not categorized as endangered until after they caught it.

 

Anything to criticize of course, or to make buck off Rosie's return.

[TheGreenKnight]

I've never heard that story about the shark. I'm not going to suddenly consider her the worst person in the world for that, but there's no denying it's awful and I really wish she hadn't done it. Killing animals for sport is flat out disgusting, I don't care who it is. Doing so if they're attacking you or using them for food is another thing, although you should at least do it as humanely as possible. I've always felt you can tell the most about a person by how they treat those with less power than them or who are dependent on them, like animals, children, the elderly, etc. What I find utterly bizarre are people who think they have no obligations to be kind or humane to animals since they aren't human.

[RogerFromOhio]

I doubt the shark was caught just for the photo op and left to rot. Most times if the person catching the fish doesnt want the meat it is donated to charity to feed those in need.

[GoldDustWoman]

Do people even eat sharks?  Seems like most of the time they are killed simply for being sharks.. i.e. 'bad guys' even when they are one of the benign breeds of shark.  People justify the killing by believing they are ridding the world of a 'menace' when, honestly, humans are just about the worst menace on the planet.

[Dissy]

I grew up in Florida and we ate shark whenever it was caught. I think recently there has been some warnings about shark meat and mercury or some other element. I couldn't tell you what kind of shark it was though.

[Readalot]

The only seafood I eat is shark and swordfish. Both are found in seafood restaurants so there is def commercial use for those fishes

[Milk-Eyed Mender]

Well this thread has been educational for me. According to Monterey Bay Aquarium's Seafood Watch, only thresher and mako sharks make the recommended food list, all other shark species are to be avoided due to overfishing and environmental harm. I do realize there always has been and will be a huge market for sportfishing, but I'm hoping catch and release will soon become the dominant practice if it isn't already. Hunting/fishing and respectful stewardship needn't be mutually exclusive. Having said that, if I learn Rosie is still going after endangered fish, hunting wolves from helicopters, sponsoring bullfights or sleeping under mink-lined blankets, she will be dead to me.

[Lava VaVoom]

Because Rosie caught the shark (if indeed she did, and didn't just pose with it) years ago, before the hammerhead was declared endangered.  I. too, live in FL, and the sport fishing industry here is huge.  This picture is old; her kids are much, much bigger now.  I don't hunt or fish and don't support those who do, but neither do I think Rosie deserves to be vilified for something that happened a long time ago.  Hunting moose from a helicopter is just despicable and cowardly.

[TheGreenKnight]

Well this thread has been educational for me.

Same here. I had no idea shark is actually used for food to many people. I just assumed it was a brag killing.

[RogerFromOhio]

Republicans aren't allowed to criticize other republicans? Really? Where is that written? I am I unaffiliated; but I think Sarah Palin was and is grotesque for hunting for pleasure. It disgusts me beyond words. But I still question why Rosie isn't getting the same negative attention regarding such cruelty?

Of course it isn't written down uesNY.... but if you have been paying attention, tell me the last Republican who criticized say.... Rush Limbaugh without having to walk back and apologize a day or 2 later.... Hell... David Vitter got a standing ovation when he came back to Congress after getting caught with a prostitute.... but Anthony Weiner got kicked to the curb for questionable (but legal) twitter pictures...... yes there is definitely a double standard in politics, and Republicans seldom criticize other Republicans...at least not publicly

Edited July 15, 2014 by RogerFromOhio

[kaygeeret]

Always love your comments RogerFromOhio

[RogerFromOhio]

Always love your comments RogerFromOhio

awwww  thanks very much kaygeeret

[Stacee]

I have seen it and it is the most disgusting thing ever.

Yeah seeing that was very disturbing. I was particularly creeped out on the one where she was kinda standing with the dead leopard, like she was dancing with it. And there were sooo many photos, all with her wearing that big smile.

It was just so...bizarre to me.

 

On topic, I am thrilled Rosie is returning but I still hope she has the strength and willpower to ignore Hasselbeck and the crew at FOX. I truly hope she takes what she's learned 7 years ago and does not fall into the same trap as before. She's an emotional person who tends to wear her heart on her sleeve and I truly truly hope she holds her head up and doesn't fall for the baiting of people that want to see her fail. They are coming for her, of that I am certain.

[NextIteration]

I truly hope she takes what she's learned 7 years ago and does not fall into the same trap as before. She's an emotional person who tends to wear her heart on her sleeve and I truly truly hope she holds her head up and doesn't fall for the baiting of people that want to see her fail. They are coming for her, of that I am certain.

 

x's a trillion!

 

Please Ro, don't get sucked into the vortex, it's a worthless endeavor, they will continue to carry around the what is now treasonous, Gadsden flag and diminish, diss and try to make you that bad person.  You are not, having strong beliefs, does not make you a traitor.  :)

[CattyTiger]

I really do think that Rosie is waaay past herself of seven years ago.  She's lived through a lot in that time, and she's a smart lady.  As the Who sang - Won't get fooled again. 

 

And I don't think there'll be an asshole trying to set her up again.  Of course I could be wrong, but since they hired her, I'm thinking somebody appreciates what she'll bring to the show along with Whoopi.

[Turkish]

Notice how much publicity Bitsy is getting out of trashing Rosie for returning to the View. At least Rosie has something relevant going on in her life to make news about. Bitsy is just using her 7 years old feud to garner more attention for herself. On her supposed "vacation" no less. 

[LuckyBitch]

Notice how much publicity Bitsy is getting out of trashing Rosie for returning to the View. At least Rosie has something relevant going on in her life to make news about. Bitsy is just using her 7 years old feud to garner more attention for herself. On her supposed "vacation" no less. 

 

Exactly. Not only did Fox have her call into her morning show from vacation, but I heard that many of the other shows on Fox covered Rosie's re-hiring by showing that Fox & Friends clip of Bisty's phone call. Also, I think most of the entertainment news shows covered it, as well as many websites. It's the most coverage EH has received....since the 2007 blow up with Rosie.

 

Fox is going to be paying close attention to every word Rosie utters on The View and looking to pounce on it, as well as going to Bitsy for her "analysis" of it. Hell, they might as well make it a regular daily segment on their morning show. It can be called, "What Horrible Thing Did Rosie Say Yesterday on The View?", and then Bisty can have a one-sided debate spitting out her word salad. 

Edited July 17, 2014 by LuckyBitch

[Vinyasa]

Fox is going to be paying close attention to every word Rosie utters on The View and looking to pounce on it, as well as going to Bitsy for her "analysis" of it. Hell, they might as well make it a regular daily segment on their morning show. It can be called, "What Horrible Thing Did Rosie Say Yesterday on The View?", and then Bisty can have a one-sided debate spitting out her word salad.

 

It will be a daily segment. Maybe even an one hour evening special. Bitsy will be lathered up more than ever!

[Qoass]

...and then The Daily Show can mock the Fox segment!  Synergy!

[Tosia]

And then Rosie can mock the segment as well on the New View.  Seriously, she can say, "OK, Fox, here's your news bit (get it, Bit) for the day."   It's like a dare and a call out to Bits and Fox for using Rosie to boost their own ratings.   

 

I only hope that Rosie can learn to phrase her statements very clearly in order to defuse the Bits outrage.  Wait, what am I saying? Fox will take anything and twist it to mean anti-Amurican.

[Lava VaVoom]

And what they can't twist, they'll make up.

[Milk-Eyed Mender]

Indeed. How the FCC has not stripped "News" from FOX News in accordance with truth in advertising is beyond me.

[JakeyJokes]

I was just binge-watching a lot of Rosie Season 10 clips on YouTube today, and it's important to remember that she was a loud, liberal voice in a politically charged time where GWB's popularity was dwindling but the financial bubble hadn't hit yet, so a lot of the criticism towards him was still based on foreign policy. While the war in Iraq was becoming increasingly unpopular, it still seemed that the media didn't dare criticize the war lest they be seen as unpatriotic. The White House was still banning photos of coffins coming back from Iraq, Ted Koppel was berated for reading names of fallen soldiers, et cetera. I think she'll fare better this time, because the rise of the Tea Party means it's easier to criticize conservatives on a mainstream platform (it also makes it more important for the show to hire a reasonable, credible conservative counterpart to Rosie instead of a Hasselbeck Version 2.0).

 

The most fun part of her season was how many of the guests genuinely lit up when they greeted her, especially other comedians. I look forward to seeing her and Whoopi together.

[Former Nun]

I've never liked Rosie's "standard" entrance to any stage...her own show, The View, etc.  She gives this "so surprised" look--like she's surprised there's an audience and/or they're applauding for her...and it just doesn't work for me.  I assume I'll be seeing that again and again...and again.  Still, I'm looking forward to what she can bring (back) to the show.

[Cosmocrush]

It will be a daily segment. Maybe even an one hour evening special. Bitsy will be lathered up more than ever!

Will she need a producer?  I hear Sweaty Geddie is looking for a job. 

[CathinAZ]

Tvaddict44, you have nicely summarized what makes Rosie, and others with those skills, such a pleasure to watch on TV and how that genuineness and sincerity come across on TV. Someone who is engaged with the people they are interviewing, can be spontaneous and go off the blue cards to create an interesting discussion, and is a basically a nice person is respected by people WHO MATTER (that omits the lies of Trump, Palin, O'Reilly, etc) in the public eye and makes for good TV. To varying degrees, Whoopie, Meredith, Joy and Lisa have those skills. Here's hoping that whoever is selected to cohost next season is engaging, informed and willing to participate In engaging discussions and not screeching matches.

Edited July 21, 2014 by CathInAZ

[zxy556575]

I really do think that Rosie is waaay past herself of seven years ago.  She's lived through a lot in that time, and she's a smart lady.  As the Who sang - Won't get fooled again.

 

I like Rosie fine but I don't think her core personality has changed. I'm giving her two weeks before she explodes; not necessarily on the show but on her blog or Twitter or something. She is unable to shrug off a slight or ignore people like Trump who attack her. The truth is that she is widely despised, for whatever reason. She will respond and it will make "news."

[LuckyBitch]

The crucial element here is the production staff. As long as Geddie, Dusty Cohen, and probably some others are gone, then Rosie will do fine. Rumors are that part of her deal involves bringing in her own team. Frankly, a clean sweep is in order based on the level to which this crapfest has devolved. An entire new production team needs to be brought in for a completely fresh start. Lose all the old gimmicks, tacky in-show ads, and BS "sparks". Just FFS, be real! 

[Fannysue]

I blame Geddie and BW for the  decline of the show - the new people they hired and the change in philosophy.  they had a show that worked - why did they try and change it?  For Geddie, it was politics.  I never thought BW was in charge at all.

[Lava VaVoom]

 

The truth is that she is widely despised, for whatever reason.

What evidence do you offer to back up your statement?  Rosie hosted a very successful and popular talk show for years before coming to the View, and has a good reputation for working with children and the arts.  The fact that you dislike her is not proof that she is "widely despised."  Those are specific words -- why is she "widely despised," and by whom?

[Boots]

She's is hated by a lot of people. Just check out any message board related to any of her stories. I do not agree with it, but she is. She's gay, overweight, she questions 9/11, was very open about her dislike of Bush and Reagan and a flaming liberal.(that's putting it in "nice" words) That's enough for some people. Do NOT agree, I love her. She is sadly hated though. 

[Lava VaVoom]

Being gay and overweight are not reasons to be "hated" or "despised."  As for disliking Bush and Reagan, I thought most people did.  There are crazier things to hate than thinking 9/11 was a conspiracy (Benghazi, anyone?).    Frankly, if her detractors are bigoted homophobic flaming right-wingers who bellow I-won't-watch-the-View-if-Rosie-comes-on, I say GOOD and WE WON'T MISS YA.

 

Besides, she's lost weight since her heart attack and looks terrific.

[Boots]

I agree with that. I was just saying that there are people who do hate her for those reasons, and like I said a couple times, I don't agree with it, but that doesn't make it any less so. She does look good now and happy. Her talk show was must see viewing for me when I was a teen. I would record it and watch it while I was doing my homework. John McD and the McDlt's! koosh ball smash!

[Morbs]

I think it's hard to take the temperature of national opinion regarding a celeb based on social media or anonymous comments where people are prone to be overly negative and hostile. Any celebrity that is vocal about politics will provoke the crazies. I wish Celebrity Q scores were free, I'd read those reports all day long.

Edited July 21, 2014 by Morbs

[Stacee]

I think it's hard to take the temperature of national opinion regarding a celeb based on social media or anonymous comments where people are prone to be overly negative and hostile.

Agreed. If I went by Yahoo! message boards in 2012, I'd have thought Pres. Obama would have never been reelected.

I think there are people that don't like Rosie. But there are many who like and enjoy her abilities as a talk show host. I'm looking forward to seeing her on TV again as a host. Nervous, but excited.

I also think having a team behind her helps. I'm sure she felt back stabbed the last time around. With people she can trust there, she will be more at ease I think. The split screen thing was a huge deal and I'm so glad Geddie won't be able to pull tricks like that again. That was incredibly shitty.

[Milk-Eyed Mender]

What's the backstory with the split screen?

[Former Nun]

I don't love Rosie.  I don't dislike her--certainly don't hate her.  She's often entertaining although I don't know what her talent is.  She's not a good stand-up comedian... although she started off well.  Pushy people annoy me and she fits that bill as far as I'm concerned.  What's good about seeing her on television is that if I'm annoyed, I can change the channel.  I think she's an extremely good-hearted person who is often harsh without realizing it.  She's one of those dichotomies: extremely sensitive, gets hurt feelings easily...yet lashes out at others quickly and sometimes cruelly.  (Are "lashes" and "quickly" redundant?)

I never thought BW was in charge at all.

 

 

FannySue...if Barbara was in charge in any way, she certainly lost it when she had "chickenpox" and heart surgery.  She was very frail after that and I'm sure her best friend, Mr. Geddie, took full advantage.

Edited July 21, 2014 by Former Nun

[CattyTiger]

I think she's an extremely good-hearted person who is often harsh without realizing it.  She's one of those dichotomies:extremely sensitive, gets hurt feelings easily...yet lashes out at others quickly and sometimes cruelly.  (Are "lashes" and "quickly" redundant?)

 

Rosie is a typical Aries in a lot of ways.  Her other past issues change some of that.