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9 hours ago, boes said:

I guess I should be rooting for the downfall of Ashland, but nah, I'm looking forward to his epic takedown of Newman, quite the payback for Victor almost letting him die with that heart attack way back when.

I love Sally, but she should know that's not the way to talk to your boss, no matter who it is.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Ashland the Neckless faked his heart attack to test Victor’s resolve as a adversary. 
 

Even though Olive didn’t really deserve any respect, I don’t think Sally was all that disrespectful by standing up for herself. To me it was like a job interview where you have to prove your worth. 

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What the hell happened to the proposed storyline where there was going to be a murder and a trial -- somebody playing lawyer -- and hinting Gaines was the victim.  I demand a murder and ButtBiscuit is guilty!

Covid is a blessing to Show in that they have an excuse not to have hospital scenes or all-inclusive events that cost major bucks.  Storylines come and go in one week or one episode that Bill Bell would have taken years and decades to resolve.

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17 hours ago, crowsworks said:

Has anyone noticed that MM Amanda has a bit of a baby bump) Maybe it's just a big lunch but she's been wearing the blousy tops and this gal can't hide it like Abby did, she's a chin to knees type of expectant mom.

if they start bringing in really, really big bouquets.... well...  they even did a call back on the show to Hilary's wedding coffin topper bouquet

I noticed MM is not looking as thin as she used to.  She was looking very thin for a while but not anymore.  Devon becoming a father again being written in or will they hide it if she is I wonder.

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54 minutes ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

I noticed MM is not looking as thin as she used to.  She was looking very thin for a while but not anymore.  Devon becoming a father again being written in or will they hide it if she is I wonder.

It's not a good idea to write in real life pregnancies. If anything goes wrong then it is too much to ask of the actress to go on with the story line. That happened on Married With Children. So if she is pregnant then you can expect her to be carrying big things in front of her and standing behind couches.

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Rerun today:  😴😴😴😴😴

 

There was also a rerun of The Bold and The Beautiful day which had Sally at her whimsical best self as an established designer facing off against Forester Creations at a charity fashion show in Monte Carlo.  Sally actually won the fashion show but Bill Spencer declared it a tie because he said there was a computer glitch.  In the episode, Sally was no shrinking violet in standing toe to toe against Bill Spencer about wanting the building that housed Spectra Fashions for his own.

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I enjoyed today's episode with the retrospective scenes so much. The actors that play Victor, Jack, Phyllis, and Nikki brought so much energy to their roles then, that in comparison they seem to be just dialling them in now. The sets were also much more detailed and classy. Sad what this show has become.

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13 hours ago, Stpauliegirl said:

MS/Phyllis should have kept her natural teeth. We had a classic episode today with lots of flashbacks. Several scenes with Phyllis before she got her bluish, extra white veneers. Her teeth looked much better than the do now.

Her shorter hair fit her face better too.

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On 2/21/2022 at 5:09 PM, Waldo13 said:

WHAT THE FUCK!!  TIIC are going to have Bowie at home to recuperate?  That is so fucking unreal that it’s even beyond belief for a dumb ass soap opera. Bowie should REMAIN IN THE HOSPITAL for a few weeks for constant monitoring of possible infections, rejection of the transplant

So the little nugget can resume being imprisoned in his bassinet upstairs? Good lord that kid has no life, always 'put down' & napping, never out crawling, playing, in a highchair ...🤒

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Why am I just noticing how dark brown Abby's hair is?

Everyone sitting around downstairs fretting. No one being up there with their collective baby, comforting it, or letting it feel their presence. The baby that should be in the hospital. And now they're going to pack it up and ship it to Dickvon's. So why did Dickvon go out with Hilmanda and the world's two most boring doctors? That's really confusing. Did Dickvon leave the baby in the car? And what time of the day is it? Are these people living in a casino?

Recasting Asshat at this point in the story has totally taken the wind out of its sails. Here's this new entirely different Asshat who has no chemistry whatsoever with mop. And mop actually had chemistry with the previous actor, in fact the previous actor was the best thing that ever happened to her. Really stupid move. The story is so meaningless now. New guy, new take on the character, fail as a mate for mop, viewers are left trying to figure him out now, complete interruption in the story. It's like going back and starting at zero again, yet the story is supposed to be coming to a head. Way to sabotage yourself, show.

"Hello? This is Bag, Bag O'Hair. Speedy Gonzales referred you to me. I'd like to make an appointment. Okay, thank you." Who the heck gets a doctor appointment that easily? Certainly not real humans. Nothing on this show is the least bit believable. 

Sharin's hair and Sally's hair  - hideous. Looks like neither one of them has washed it in a few weeks.

Poor Jack, he had to find out through a memorial website that Keemo is dead. Fuck you show for killing Keemo. You should have killed off your epic fail recastAsshat. 

 

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15 minutes ago, SweePea59 said:

Poor Jack, he had to find out through a memorial website that Keemo is dead. Fuck you show for killing Keemo. You should have killed off your epic fail recastAsshat. 

 

OMG Keemo ... Philip Moon was so gorgeous as Keemo! I was so in love with him. Please tell me Keemo isn't dead. 💔😫

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2 hours ago, xls said:

So the little nugget can resume being imprisoned in his bassinet upstairs? Good lord that kid has no life, always 'put down' & napping, never out crawling, playing, in a highchair ...🤒

If you found out your only choices for daddy were No Boundaries Devon or Bag of Hair Chance, you might never want to leave your bed either.

Do they make Zoloft for babies??

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1 hour ago, lightninggirl said:

OMG Keemo ... Philip Moon was so gorgeous as Keemo! I was so in love with him. Please tell me Keemo isn't dead. 💔😫

It would be better if Keemo is in hiding or some other stupid shit and this is just a rouse, but I have no faith in the MWTs, and making viewers think Keemo died is just being mean to us. If that's the story they were going to go with then they should have showed us that Keemo is alive somewhere first and with an explanation shown through the scene and dialog. Then showing us Jack finding the memorial website would have had more impact, and impact in a good way.

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Hey, it's the Abbott Mansion. I was starting to wonder if we'd ever see it again.

Quite an outfit on Abby today. Suede thigh-high skinny boots, painted-on jeans, bare shoulder. She looked to me like she was about to go hit a happy hour instead of pacing around the house worrying about her sick baby.

It takes a village to raise Dominic, huh? 😏

Again, why is Ashland having loud phone conversations about his secrets right in Victoria's office? With the door open? For someone who's supposed to be such a master manipulator and schemer, he sure does make dumb mistakes.

Nate really seems to like purple neckties. He wears one almost every day.

Victoria looking at Ashland like, "This isn't what I signed up for! You were supposed to die after NE swallowed your company! I don't wanna share my toys! Wah!"

Co-CEO. Sure, that's just until Ashland manages to push Victoria off the roof of Newman Tower. Accidentally, of course. Then he'll finally own it all, bwah hah hah! 😉

So Keemo's dead. How cruel of someone to play games with Jack via those text messages instead of just telling him the awful news.

Elena said she supports Nate's decision 100% but she didn't seem totally convinced to me. 🤔

That was quite a touching moment at the end between Ashland and Victoria. Too bad it was total b.s. on his part. Bring the pain, Ash!

"All hell is about to break loose." Okay, get on with it, Show! February sweeps is almost over. Gah. 🥱

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Come on Olive, your ego is 100 times bigger than Adam’s. Plus your the one who’s ego needs to be stroked daily.  Asking Olive to smooth things over, with Adam, is like asking Olive to remove the stake from her ass and function with compassion which is a word not in her vocabulary.  Olive crying to your father is a heck of a lot better than lying to your father. 

Why are TIIC making Abby talk like she’s an imbecile. Bowie’s first couple days are critical because of infection and complications but Abby has to say that he’s more comfortable at home and in his own crib. No Abby, Bowie is 1000 times better off if he stayed in the hospital where treatment would be immediate if complications do arise. How far is this 🐂💩 going to go. Now Devon has a nursery in his home also to be ready to transfer him back and forth without regard for what contaminants Bowie can pick up during transportation. Bowie should be isolated for at least a week because his immune system will be weakened. Once again I have to ask what the hell is Natey Nate Nate doing there in examining Bowie.  This whole Bowie illness crap is summed up in 24 hours with one quick examination by Natey Nate Nate and Dr Austin. His vital signs are good and there doesn’t seem to be an infection and his enzymes just needs to be tested. Hey Natey Nate Nate and Dr Austin what about tests for Bowie’s red cell count?  The bone marrow transplant takes way more than 24hrs for red blood cells start to increase.  Natey Nate Nate was right about limiting visitors and visitation but he should of recommend 😷

In so many ways Sally is a lot better and has more of an incite into Adam than Sharon. Sally’s real world dealings with “elitist” has made her more intuitive and a student of human nature than most.  I bet that Sally could even fix Chance 2.0.  

Amanda, your the one that’s talking? Didn’t you just enter corporate America?  So your advice is really mute. 

Nikki is the ultimate defender of Olive and by proxy, also has to defend Ashland the Neckless. Is it was Adam, Nikki would be bastardizing him to no end.  

Did you see the look in Olive’s face when Ashland the Neckless said that he wants to be equals. It looked like the stick went a little bit deeper up her ass and has now entered her ego; but now the stick slips and ego be damned. Olive capitulations to Ashland the Neckless’ demand.  Still no kiss, just a hug. There is one thing about going to war with Victor. He always brings a gun to a knife fight.  

As I thought, Keemo is dead and it’s a grandchild or great grandchild reaching out to Jack. I also agree that Rodan the Petty’s teeth have a blue tint to them. 

 

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4 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I like new Ashland.  At least he can, you know, ACT!

I have to agree...the other guy often seemed to be struggling to remember his lines.  

 

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I just checked IMDb and found out Keemo (Philip Moon) only appeared in 6 episodes of Y&R and it was back in 1994-1995.  I’ve watched this show forever, and I remember this character and his storyline fairly well but I thought he was on much more.  IMDb HAS to be wrong.  Right?

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11 hours ago, tinderbox said:

I just checked IMDb and found out Keemo (Philip Moon) only appeared in 6 episodes of Y&R and it was back in 1994-1995.  I’ve watched this show forever, and I remember this character and his storyline fairly well but I thought he was on much more.  IMDb HAS to be wrong.  Right?

Yep, IMDB got that very wrong.  He was a pretty consistent presence in the almost two years he was onscreen.

Today was pretty much a FF day again, with the emphasis on Baby Whosit and the Father Knows best groupies.  I'm hoping Amanda is seeing all this with her eyes wide open.  For all his soft-spoken  Uriah Heep impressions, she has to notice that Devon always gets what he wants.  He just stands there, waiting, metaphorically or in reality, until whoever it is folds and give him what he wants.  Ludicrous as his wishes or beliefs may be, he doesn't give ground, no matter how hard he tries to appear laid back and easy.   Does she really want to tie herself to someone so profoundly self-centered?

Show feels overrun with almost middle aged men who have the female inhabitants of Genoa City eager and willing to always fold their wants into whatever wishes these dude bros have, willing to step aside, step away, pave the way, sign, seal and deliver whatever it takes to keep their emotional jock itch in check.

ButtBiscuit, Nick, Noah, Nate, Chance, Devon, every last one of them always comes out on top, being supported in whatever by da wimmens who seem eager to give it all up for these douchenozzles.

Are any of the writers aware that Wisconsin gave women the vote in 1919?

Is Jill going to be cool with Lily merging her company with Devon's?  Do these companies have anything remotely in common?  Besides giving ButtBiscuit a soft place to land and Devon streaming music on his electronic kazoo, what exactly do these high powered execs actually DO??

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7 hours ago, tinderbox said:

I just checked IMDb and found out Keemo (Philip Moon) only appeared in 6 episodes of Y&R and it was back in 1994-1995.  I’ve watched this show forever, and I remember this character and his storyline fairly well but I thought he was on much more.  IMDb HAS to be wrong.  Right?

Yes, it's wrong. There are a lot of entries like that which don't have the correct number of appearances for shows or times on shows that were that long ago or older.

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On 2/24/2022 at 1:00 AM, Kitty Redstone said:
On 2/23/2022 at 12:29 AM, KLovestoShop said:

Phyllis’s blue teeth !!!!  I’m so happy someone else sees that about her.  I’ve thought that maybe my TV’s color scale was off, but now that someone else sees that, I feel better.  How does someone get blue teeth?

I dunno but they're blue on my screen, too. 

My guess? Same principle for why some people get bluish hair...blue/purple is supposed to tone yellow, maybe MS's teeth were yellowing and she had some kind of blue solution application that went a wee bit too far.

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Is Jill going to be cool with Lily merging her company with Devon's?  

Yeah, is Jill going to be cool with a lot of the stuff Lily's been doing lately? However, I didn't get the impression Devon was willing to merge his company with CI. Why would he want to lose control of his business like that, and pretty much hand it over to Jill? I think he and Lily are only going to be creating a podcast production entity, which will involve a part of HWG and a part of CI.

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For all his soft-spoken  Uriah Heep impressions, she has to notice that Devon always gets what he wants.  He just stands there, waiting, metaphorically or in reality, until whoever it is folds and give him what he wants.  Ludicrous as his wishes or beliefs may be, he doesn't give ground, no matter how hard he tries to appear laid back and easy.

Okay, I think this is a valid interpretation of Devon's behavior but I'm failing to see the problem. If Abby were taking this approach with him it seems to me the Devon haters would be okay with it if it meant Devon didn't get what he wants.

I'd actually like to see Devon and Billy in a poker game because AFAIC Devon is hella good at bluffing and no one ever calls him on it. Abby certainly has the resources to step to Devon so she should do it if she has a problem with the way things are playing out wrt Dominic. Maybe after Chance starts getting therapy he'll be strong enough to back her up.

Otherwise, I'm fine with the current co-parenting arrangement between Abby, Chance, and Devon. I don't at all see Abby or Chance as victims or Devon as a big bad bully. He's just one guy and he's not omnipotent.

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1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Otherwise, I'm fine with the current co-parenting arrangement between Abby, Chance, and Devon. I don't at all see Abby or Chance as victims or Devon as a big bad bully. He's just one guy and he's not omnipotent.

I agree.  But why Show has decided to go the route of Abby self-isolating and always giving in makes no sense, especially since this is a new look for her, to say the least.  In doing so, she's not getting any of the support she usually would from her family and friends and Bag of Hair has been no help.  She's become another Genoa City woman stuck in a supporting role in her own life.

I do fault Devon for not checking himself.  He seemed happy to let Amanda or Lily or Chance brush aside his occasional doubts about his actions very easily.  

 Mariah, it seems, has been excised from Team Baby Chancellor, which is all to the good for her character.

If there was a purpose to the storyline, I've failed to see it.  Good storyline it surely hasn't been, IMO.  

I'm hoping da baby is SORASED and in boarding school by next week.

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1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I think he and Lily are only going to be creating a podcast production entity, which will involve a part of HWG and a part of CI

Well if that sample that I saw of Billy whining how he is the poor little boy always looking in while everyone is having a successful, fabulous life, then I can think they are doomed before they started. Who the hell wants to hear from someone born with silver spoon into one of the most respected families who was given a millions chances, jobs, businesses, women, children and he had either squandered or ruined it entirely.

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How ironic is it that this show fired 2 actors for covid related offenses yet they write a storyline about a baby going home immediately after a bone marrow transplant, then proceed to have him shuffle back and forth to Devons  for pajama parties. They are exposing him to all sorts of germs and upsetting his routine in the most unrealistic story ever!

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On 2/25/2022 at 4:27 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

 But dan outfit on Abby today. Suede thigh-high skinny boots, painted-on jeans, bare shoulder. She looked to me like she was about to go hit a happy hour instead of pacing around the house worrying about her sick baby.

It takes a village to raise Dominic, huh? 😏

But don't-we all run around   the house wearing skin  tight white jeans, cashmere sweaters and heels? 

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Monday 02-28-22  Waste of a day. Even seeing Jill on a call couldn't save it. Especially when she's talking nonsense. Jack fretting instead of taking action? For the entire episode? That's not our Jack. Everything else - either mute or fast forward. Do it to protect yourself. Do it in self defense of another crummy day. So much for February sweeps. Did they change the time period for sweeps?

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Phyllis' pronunciation of Nguyen is killing me.  I mean, my surname isn't Nguyen and I probably don't have the right to be bugged but none of my 15+ friends with that surname pronounce it NOOO-WEHN. Lord.

Jack [/texting furiously and indignantly]: WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU SENDING ME THIS INFORMATION. 
Um, maybe get an official death certificate and confirm that your kid is dead before rending your garments and planning to build a park in his name or something? 😂😂

Beely reminds me of that kid in middle school who thinks he's funny and then does a stand-up routine for the school talent show ... and completely bombs. Lily's probably all "thank fuck he's got something to distract him like an unruly toddler." That sofa is probably thanking him, too.

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Billy rambling on and on; Lily getting over-the-top validation from Jill. And she did say Thenk Yew to Jill; trying to sound self-deprecating while preening. 

Jack wallowing and paralyzed by self-pity so Phyllis can be shoe-horned into his story. Instead of Traci, his sister. I think Devon and Amanda were on but since I la-la-la cannot hear them….maybe they weren’t. We are at end times when the only people I want to see are Victor and Adam. Throw in Victoria since we can root for her fall. And Ashland because I hope he causes her fall.

SweePea59 - excellent post. You summed it up perfectly.

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2 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

Monday 02-28-22  Waste of a day. Even seeing Jill on a call couldn't save it. Especially when she's talking nonsense. Jack fretting instead of taking action? For the entire episode? That's not our Jack. Everything else - either mute or fast forward. Do it to protect yourself. Do it in self defense of another crummy day. So much for February sweeps. Did they change the time period for sweeps?

Couldn't agree more! Those texts Jack is getting are attached to another phone that bonehead could call. And his sister and Phyllis handing him tissues while he witters on. 

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"What's Left of the Mind of Billy Abbott." Heh, guess he does have some self-awareness because whatever he's got inside his cavernous skull has to be running on fumes. But still, who cares about Billy's thoughts? He is the definition of vapid. 🙄

Jill's expectations wrt to Lily as CEO must've been quite low if Lily has greatly exceeded them. That bar was set below the earth's crust.

FFS, Billy, lay off the coffee, take some melatonin before bed, and shut up. 😐

Since when is Phyllis an expert on grief? I'll give her credit though for keeping Jack focused on right now instead of the past. Those mysterious text messages and their sender need to be dealt with because that's some straight up mindfcukery.

Amanda and Imani are going to be bucking heads within in a month, I bet. Amanda has divided loyalties between her job and her man but Imani has no such issues.

Oy, someone needs to clue Imani in about sitting on Lily and Billy's nasty couch. 🤮

Lily, you are completely full of yourself. You don't own CI, you're just an employee. Meanwhile, Devon does own HWG. If you and CI ever part ways Devon's company will still be owned by Jill and CI. THAT IS NOT A GOOD DEAL FOR HIM. Gah, I just want to slap you.

Whoo boy, Lily was pissed with a capital P that Devon turned her down. Wonder if she'll up the ante and use CI to wage some kind of sideways competitive attack on HWG? (And Show, miss me with Lily using Neil as an excuse. Stop trying to pin every baseless plot point on his ghost. 🤨)

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Delusional breeds delusional that’s how we know that Jill is actually Nostrils’ mother. Jill blew so much smoke up Lily’s ass that smoke signals could be seen in Chicago.  I guess Jill condones 4 sex breaks a day. To Jill keeping Nostrils sexed up is Lily’s main function as head of Chancellor.   

So Lily now wants to be another Olive but Devon is cautious and not a pushover.  Amanda you are talking out of your ass. Your thinking more of being the Chief Counsel of Chancellor than what’s good for Devon. If you put the conditions you were talking about into the contract, than what’s the benefit to Devon beside working with Lily?  They aren’t really working together if there is complete autonomy.  

Nostrils’ podcast should be called The Pathetic Musings of a Pathetic Excuse of a Man.  If the podcast is a joint venture with Devon, than why isn’t Nostrils using one of his soundproof recording studios and professional recording equipment?  

Why is everyone trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?  There is nothing nefarious about the text messages and there is nothing to suggest that the sender is messing with Jack or the person is a sociopath.  it’s a good thing that Rodan the Petty is going to LA with Jack.  If there is trouble, she can flap her wings and sound the alarm.  CAW CAW.  

 

 

 

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Poor widdle Billy on the outside looking in…again. Oh woe is him what ever will he do if Devon agrees with to merge with Lily? I guess Jill will have to find something else to keep him out of trouble. 🙄

Did I hear Devon correctly that he wants Dominic to spend MORE time at his place? Wonder if he mentied this to the child’s parents? Cause I’m pretty sure the updated agreement (you remember that right Devon? You bullied Abby into signing it) calls for one weekend a month or something.  Not whenever and for however long you decide you want him there.

so did Lily just up and fire CI’s chief counsel to make room for Amanda? Isn’t there an entire legal team at the company? Wouldn’t CI have an Office of the General Counsel and a shit ton of lawyers? I just can’t with this story. 

The only thing I’m mildly interested in is finding out what Ashland is up to and whether he succeeds temporarily. I’m just not feeling RN in the role. When Burgi played Ashland, he was at least sympathetic. And I was rooting for him and Victoria. It may have been an act but he seemed sincere about his feelings for her and AH really came alive in scenes with RB. 

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The only thing I’m mildly interested in is finding out what Ashland is up to and whether he succeeds temporarily. I’m just not feeling RN in the role. When Burgi played Ashland, he was at least sympathetic. And I was rooting for him and Victoria. It may have been an act but he seemed sincere about his feelings for her and AH really came alive in scenes with RB. 

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On 2/27/2022 at 9:34 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

But don't-we all run around   the house wearing skin  tight white jeans, cashmere sweaters and heels? 

And skimpy little cocktail off the shoulder dresses in the middle of harsh winter climates in the middle of the day.

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What are Lily, Billy, and Amanda smoking?  They’re talking about this potential merger as a joining together to create a new “family” company.  Lily doesn’t own CI.  She’s employed by CI.  Yes, she’s running the company but she’s running it FOR Jill.  I’m not presently a fan of Devon, because of the Dom fiasco, but I hope he stays away from this merger.

Also, Amanda is pushing him yet again.  First, with encouraging him to get closer to Dom when he was totally unsure and now with this business decision.  What’s up with her?  

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I think I can claim to be a ButtBiscuit hater with decent cred, but even I can't feel anything other than a little dismayed that Show has once again, for the umpteenth time, decided we veiwers are clamoring for that odiferous, concave-chested, swizzlestick- legged, beady-eyed, slope-nosed twerp with two whale-sized blowholes for nostrils to feature this guy droning on about himself, this time through a podcast.

That's a lawsuit for ear worms just waiting to happen.

Why Lily doesn't just get him a JustFans account and let him monetize his constant need to masturbate in public is beyond me.  The apartment couldn't possibly smell any worse.

She'd better throw in a free magnifying glass with each purchase, though.

I thought Lily's carefully crafted Valley Over-the-Hill Gurl was going to crack into a million pieces when Devon told her no about combining the companies.  I guess all that oxygen Jill has been blowing up her ass really went to her head.  First decision Devon's made since he filled up that cup at Sperms R Us for Team Chancellor that made any sense.  Congrats to the writing staff for at least have the sense to NOT have Devon be the one to anoint the discussion with "Neil would have loved it".  I'm glad it was left to Lily to be the one to frost that tired banana.

Amanda's remark about Devon wanting more time with Dom was within the parameters of their fucked up relationship until she said he'd been "more than generous" not calling in his weekly sleepover.  Good choice, since Abby and Chance weren't taking the little hamburgler to DisneyLand, the kid WAS GETTING A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT.  Saying he was more than generous not to drag an infant out of a sick bed to have a play date with Devon was ridiculously stupid.

Best person of the day was Imani, who actually sounded like a lawyer, until she got shut down by all the knuckleheads in the room.  She barely got out the only line about this merger that actually made sense before they hushed her silent.  First rule for Imani is, never make sense with this group.

Wasn't that special, the way Lily gushed over a photo of Neil.  Did she forget she also had a mother who would be proud of her, and that mother actually lived long enough to witness and share in the invention of the photograph?  Most people who display photos of parents, especially parents who have died, tend to put up pictures of both of them, unless your late mother was Joan Crawford or Ma Barker.

CBS really won't give Victoria Rowell the time of day EVER, it seems.  

The residuals for using her photograph can't possibly cost more than the stick up Victoria's behind does.

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