Getting to Genoa You All Over Again: Y&R Daily Chat

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, Tammy12 said:

I feel like Traci is a last minute swap in scenes where Jack was originally written. Is that the first time she's spoken to Adam because I can't recall another time lol

I hadn't thought of that. I bet you're right.

[boes]

Hmph.  Seems like Victoria's real role model isn't her father as much as it's

Usually Vic walks around like she has a stick wedged firmly up her posterior.  Today she was acting like she went with the whole broomstick.

I'd suggest all the little dogs of Genoa City take cover.

I love Traci but her diatribe at Victoria about ButtBiscuit was as nonsensical as Victoria's response to her was.  Both women were making excuses for the talking pustule's bad behavior while also making everyone else responsible for it.  Wrong answer.  It's all him and maybe, just maybe, if they actually stopped excusing him or bailing him out, as Jill has finally done. he might not be such a constant disaster.

Probably not, but it'd be worth a shot.

What reason was there for Phyllis today, in any of her scenes??  Is she now the human(ish) equivalent of that wine stain in the carpet that you can never get out?  She is always there.....always.

Lily, that brick wall you keep running into face forward is BUTTBISCUIT.  Is anything getting through to you?  You think Jill is going to be thrilled that her new CEO is out performing skits in public with her son?

Oh yeah, one more thing.  What reputation does ButtBiscuit have to lose?  It's not that long ago that he was embezzling from Jabot or sinking Brash and Sassy, or other public humiliations.  Nobody is shocked that he's a total putz. Nobody.

[Skarzero]

I'm glad Adam is remaining firm with Chelsea, telling her to mind her business and is seemingly going to put Sally on notice, tomorrow. However, short of him to reverting back to old toxic habits, not much more he can do other than that. His con artist, violent ex-wife has a mind of her own and if she wants to take things too far again, then that's exactly what she's gonna do. Adam and Chole being mediators/peacemakers be damned. All either of them can do is verbally discourage both of them(though this already shown to be futile). Chole better brace herself. Adam should brace himself and protect Connor and protect Newman Media too. Assuming he even can, this guy is being attacked on all fronts and perhaps I'm supposed to root for the people coming for him, but on the other hand...fuck that and them lol. Last time I checked, their shit smells pretty bad too. 

I would root for Traci but she's rooting for her dipshit of a brother, so that's gonna be a no for me lol. Victoria doesn't have a conscience, but even if she did, she shouldn't/wouldn't waste it on Billy just because Traci and Jack choose to do so.

Also how rich of Buttbiscuit to talk about what a failure Adam is. Like that is richer than Jeff Bezos rich lmao shut the fuck up. Also Billy? ALL of your jobs have been hand me downs and whatever scraps Victoria is stupid enough to give you will just as much as a hand me down as working at Chancellor with Lily is. He seems to be acting like his life as Jill Foster/John Abbott's son was so downtrodden, so much less privileged than the average Newman child/grandchild. At least Adam is treated like an adult in the sense no one makes excuses for his BS whether anyone should or not. It's irrelevant because no one cuts him a break, not even his own flesh and blood save for Victor, and that practically just happened after years of being shat on by him. 

Lily making digs at Victoria on Nostrils behalf was just sad, if she was being snotty to Victoria just to give her a taste of her own medicine or take her down a few hundred notches, I'd find more enjoyment in it. But her biggest gripe is that Victoria is using them as pawns. Yeah, you bet she is dummy, because you got in on the ground floor with this dumb as shit plan to begin with, got caught and Nostrils tried and failed at trying to guilt her into shutting up for free. And he's not backing down/out and Lily has known this so what'd she think was going to happen? I'm beyond sick of all three of them. If they're fucked up enough to bring Connor into this mess then I hope Adam(*sigh* and even Chelsea too I guess) don't hold anything back. 

Oh yeah before I forget WTF writers? We have enough #TeamDipshit cheerleaders we don't need more. Even if Phyllis dislikes Adam she should hate NotBilly much more on principle for what he did with S(d)ummer. She may or may not have room to shit on Nostrils but when has that ever stopped her from pontificating about anyone? Pre-2015 Phyllis would go out of her way to find out Nostrils fraudulent plan and blackmail him properly, unlike Victoria. Or expose him to Adam or to Nick at least. Just to dish some of that malice and pettiness right back to his ass. I'm just saying, if I have to look at Phylthy & the Grand Pee Pee make it worth my while. Let her scheme on someone that has it coming for once. 

Having said that, everybody on this show is too nice. Except to Adam, who out of this irritating cast is the one of the few characters that's rootable, Abby/Chance & Tessa/Mariah notwithstanding, go figure. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Skarzero

[JNavarro]

After today especially, I don't get the whole Sally/Adam thing.  

I mean, they do have chemistry for sure.  But the way this is written is such a dud.  It's not coming off as a slow burn, just her looking like a desperate fool as usual and Adam acting like he's too good for her.  

Edited January 5, 2022 by JNavarro

[Valmarmar]

On 12/30/2021 at 3:12 AM, boes said:

Christian's bio-parents are Sage - deceased, and Adam.   Sage conceived the kid after a one night stand with Adam while she was married to Nick.  Serial hijinks, dead babies, stolen babies, switched babies, crazed Sharon and a terminal car wreck later, Christian ended up with Nick who thought the kid was his biologically.  Adam made some attempts on his resurrection to claim the kid but it was all half-hearted and gave up any claims to the boy because Nick is "the world's greatest DOD".

Since then, Connor locked him in the garage and since nobody noticed, he's been living in the walls ever since.

Thank you BOES !!!!  THAT is a lot !!! So Connor and Christian are half brothers.  Ok. I can deal. I hope someone finds Christian  before he becomes an old guy.  Might have some story with the 2 of them.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Valmarmar
got mixed up !!

[MollyB]

I have a new app on my tv, Pluto, that lets me watch old programs like Iron Chef and Mystery Science Theater*. [and it's free!] The On Demand feature runs Y&R about a week late.  Since I haven't watched since DeeDee died I thought I'd check in to see what all of you are talking about.

!!!!

The episode was after Xmas and Nick (holy shit, he looks and sounds old) was in CL talking to what I first thought was a prototype mask for the movie SAW.  Minus the red cheek circles.

Did Sharon have cheek implants that made her eyes go away and her mouth immobile? WTF? She should get her money back and see a real therapist.

*and Dark Shadows!

Edited January 5, 2022 by MollyB

[Julyolo]

Maybe the show's writers, or characters Amanda and Devon, should enhance their mindsets about Baby D by reading about the case of Baby M and Mary Beth Whitehead.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Julyolo
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[lightninggirl]

Darvon's eye rolls while Abby explains how cracked-out his demand is to have more custody/visitation/whatever with Bowinic were beyond the pale.

Abby: You're more than welcome to come by later today and see Dominic!
Derwin: Nah, I'm good.

Darvon, you're an entitled prick. And so are the people (Nate, NotHillary) who are encouraging you to 'take legal action' and labelling Abby & Chance as horrible parents - dick move.

Edited January 5, 2022 by lightninggirl

[Julyolo]

2 minutes ago, lightninggirl said:

Darvon's eye rolls while Abby explains how cracked-out his demand to have more custody/visitation/whatever with Bowinic were beyond the pale.

Abby: You're more than welcome to come by later today and see Dominic!
Derwin: Nah, I'm good.

Darvon, you're an entitled prick. And so are the people (Nate, NotHillary) who are encouraging you to 'take legal action' and labelling Abby & Chance as horrible parents - dick move.

I was particularly put off by Amanda's histrionic mischaracterization of Abby "running off to parts unknown" and Devon "giving up his work" to watch Baby D. when Abby (successfully) left to find Chance.  Puhleeze. The only work I have heard about Devon doing is getting concert tickets for Faith and Moses. Neither Amanda or Devon seem to comprehend the importance of establishing a stable structure in Baby D's life.

[gingerella]

10 hours ago, Valmarmar said:

Adam made some attempts on his resurrection to claim the kid but it was all half-hearted and gave up any claims to the boy because Nick is "the world's greatest DUD DOD".

Fixed that for ya!

[Skarzero]

Way to go writers you have made a lot of people, including myself, hate Amanda and Devon!

I wanted to punch the living daylights out of both of them, especially Amanda. Abby leaving the country to find Chance is not confusing to Dominic you dumbass. He won't even remember that, anymore than he'd remember if she brought him with her to Spain! What will be confusing to him is the fact that he spends an abnormal amount of time with his godfather instead of his parents. He'll be confused as to why he can't be with his mom and dad all the time after work, school, etc. and why he has to spend some nights at Devon's house instead of spending every night with his parents, like other children do.

Devon is making the conscious decision to ask for bad advice he knows on some level that Amanda is full of it but he doesn't care, he's being self-centered, and two-faced. If/When he doesn't get his way he's gonna blame Amanda and he'll be half right. What is so hard about making a baby of their own? They have working parts unlike Chance/Abby did (granted Abby should've waited for Chance's fertility to come back, but too late for that now). If Amanda doesn't want to go through pregnancy fine, then they need to find their own damn surrogate. 

As much as I hate Dullena and Nate, and I would dread such pointless characters getting more screen time but, TIIC should've had a WTD storyline when Dullena cheated on Nate with Devon, if not a WTD then at the very least don't have the four of them be so fucking chummy with each other. If this were a real soap like it used to be, none of them could be in a room with each other without arguing and they would likely fail at being cordial. Especially Amanda and Dullena seeing as how the latter kept finding herself in bed with the former's boyfriends. Didn't show much, if any, guilt and instead mewled about a situation she put herself in by being fickle and selfish. She and Devon were definitely owed some slaps, physical and verbal. 

But that would good decent writing and we can't have that 😒    

Edited January 5, 2022 by Skarzero
I don't know why I said Italy instead of Spain lol

[Aurora2]

41 minutes ago, Julyolo said:

I was particularly put off by Amanda's histrionic mischaracterization of Abby "running off to parts unknown" and Devon "giving up his work" to watch Baby D. when Abby (successfully) left to find Chance.  Puhleeze. The only work I have heard about Devon doing is getting concert tickets for Faith and Moses. Neither Amanda or Devon seem to comprehend the importance of establishing a stable structure in Baby D's life.

Amanda's over-the-top histrionics irritated me, too - a lot!  And when she snidely called Abby "Mama Bear," I wanted to throw things at my TV - well at not-Hilary who sure did sound like real-Hilary today.  (And that is NOT a good thing!)   First, Abby darn well better be protecting her son's interests like a mama bear.  Second cereal-box-diploma lawyer Amanda would have crawled through broken glass to hear Mama Naya go "mama bear" for her. 

Devon is just so weak - so easily led.  He voiced good reasons to avoid a legal case - maintaining his friendship with Chance and Abby ...  giving Chance and Abby needed time to settle into their new family life ... maintaining a connection with Dominic (which could be damaged by a bad court decision.)   And then he let pushy Amanda sway his thinking.

Make this story stop!!!!! 

[Aurora2]

4 minutes ago, Skarzero said:

Way to go writers you have made a lot of people, including myself, hate Amanda and Devon!

I wanted to punch the living daylights out of both of them, especially Amanda. Abby leaving the country to find Chance is not confusing to Dominic you dumbass. He won't even remember that, anymore than he'd remember if she brought him with her to Italy! What will be confusing to him is the fact that he spends an abnormal amount of time with his godfather instead of his parents. He'll be confused as to why he can't be with his mom and dad all the time after work, school, etc. and why he has to spend some nights at Devon's house instead of spending every night with his parents, like other children do.

Devon is making the conscious decision to ask for bad advice he knows on some level that Amanda is full of it but he doesn't care, he's being self-centered, and two-faced. If/When he doesn't get his way he's gonna blame Amanda and he'll be half right. What is so hard about making a baby of their own? They have working parts unlike Chance/Abby did (granted Abby should've waited for Chance's fertility to come back, but too late for that now). If Amanda doesn't want to go through pregnancy fine, then they need to find their own damn surrogate. 

As much as I hate Dullena and Nate, and I would dread such pointless characters getting more screen time but, TIIC should've had a WTD storyline when Dullena cheated on Nate with Devon, if not a WTD then at the very least don't have the four of them be so fucking chummy with each other. If this were a real soap like it used to be, none of them could be in a room with each other without arguing and they would likely fail at being cordial. Especially Amanda and Dullena seeing as how the latter kept finding herself in bed with the former's boyfriends. Didn't show much, if any, guilt and instead mewled about a situation she put herself in by being fickle and selfish. She and Devon were definitely owed some slaps, physical and verbal. 

But that would good decent writing and we can't have that 😒    

I hated Devon and Amanda today, too.  As for Elena and Nate, they have so d*** little writing, how can we even tell anymore if they are dull or not?  And then some of the small amount of writing they do get is so corny that Oscar- winning actors would have trouble giving those words life.  So, I'd be ready to give them a chance and would have much preferred the more organic WTD story introduced in early 2021 - just before the wretched surrogacy story began.

PS.  Elena showed a lot of guilt - beat herself up for months.  I have receipts.   😉

[peacheslatour]

I liked Rey and Chance today. I wasn't watching but I heard the whole conversation and I had to look up to make sure I wasn't watching an episode of L&O. I thought it was well done.

[Waldo13]

Amanda Amanda Amanda as a lawyer you should know that a contract is a contract. Your personal feelings should be set aside and not push Devon into amending the contract or take them to court to do so. It’s not up to Devon, it’s up to Abby and Chance 2.0.  I do believe the elephant in the room is Devon questioning their parenting skills no matter what he says.  Amanda, please STFU about how wonderful Devon is about how loving and devoted he is to Bowie. Devon doesn’t need joint custody to express that. Amanda also needs a large mug of STFU in encouraging Devon to go to court.  Abby just didn’t abandon Bowie when she went to Spain, she went there to get closure on her husband possible death. 

Why in the world did TIIC have to bring Chelsea back?  Was there millions of fans clamoring for her return?  Personally I would like Summer to be back instead of Chelsea.  No only is Chelsea back but TIIC gave her power and a sense of entitlement.  In addition, Chelsea is the new toast of the town with Noah and Rey.  Do I smell chemistry tests. By the way Chelsea has new designs but they were all rejected by Rexx Ruggs. 

Since when is Noah and Chelsea all that friendly?  I guess Noah and Chelsea friendly enough to throw her some gossip about Adam and Sally at the wedding. Noah said he didn’t know Sally all that well but just like his father, it doesn’t preclude him from passing judgement on people.  WTF?  Chelsea hasn’t even been in the office and she implies that things are terrible at NM.  

Abby you do have some smarts. I’m very proud of you but please please don’t cave in.  You ARE Bowie’s parents and stability is key. Did Chance 2.0 wimp out by not going to tell Devon thanks but no thanks or was it Abby’s initiative to do so?  

Hey Banana Breath the Pompous, where would you be if you weren’t a Newman?  Your name gave you a decent childhood and the “stability” that wealth brings. Would you have the ability to loan millions of dollars to Rodan the Petty for the Grand Albatross?  Would you have the ability to not have a steady job and devote your time to New Hope?  Would you have a big fancy home and one that’s still being built?  I don’t thing so. 

[SweePea59]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I liked Rey and Chance today. I wasn't watching but I heard the whole conversation and I had to look up to make sure I wasn't watching an episode of L&O. I thought it was well done.

I was shocked to see Rey Rey smile. I think that's the first time I've ever seen that happen. I always tune out when he's on, not only is he dull but he sucks the life out of every scene he's in, (what little life there is). He must reallllllllly like Chance.

[SweePea59]

16 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

Since when is Noah and Chelsea all that friendly? 

I guess NoUh likes evil whackjobs that try to kill his mom and her husband. Being the toast of the art world in Paris really turned him into  a creep. He must love Phylthy, too.

[peacheslatour]

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Would you have a big fancy home and one that’s still being built?  I don’t thing so. 

Lol, how long have they been building that house? Seems like years. It had better be really impressive but we all know it will looks something like this:

 

Filthy drop cloths for everybody!

[Joimiaroxeu]

Meh, Devon, if the situation with Dominic were reversed you'd likely be defensive too. Meanwhile, I'm not sure how objective Amanda is given that she's probably looking for a big, juicy court case to put her new law firm with Imani on the map. A custody battle involving four of GC's noted families guarantees headlines.

Pssht, Chelsea, vipers are scared of you. If Noah's got a problem with Sally and a potential snake pit workplace at NM, he should be avoiding you like the plague.

MO does not know how to pronounce "ambiguity"? 🙄

Sounds like Abby's ready for a legal fight to prevent shared custody of Dom with Devon. Chance is going along with her but it seemed to me like he was feeling somewhat conciliatory toward Devon's request. Hmm.

"Sounds like Summer's really coming into her own." Yeah, so can all y'all GC snobs climb off Sally's a$$ about it? Sally did Summer a huge favor, both professionally and personally.

Salmon and grits. Okay, I like salmon and I love grits but those two foods together? Nah. 🤢 Amanda, maybe you and Devon should order a pizza instead.

While Abby was laying down the law to Devon, Chance basically went back to work at GCPD. His bonding time with Dominic is about to fall sharply, undercutting a big chunk of her argument. Ruh roh. 😐

Nick should've told Sharon that DreamCassie looked exactly like Mariah does now, hah hah.

Dominic in a hat indoors again. Ehhh. When are we going to see his hair? I feel like Y&R is going to pull something soapy with that reveal and it's not going to be great. 😒

"Dom's de facto father"? I don't know how Amanda graduated at the top off her class at Yale because even I knew she was using "de facto" incorrectly and I only went to Law & Order U. The only way that might've worked is if Chance were actually dead and not in the picture.

Whee, even cranky Dominic knew Chance was sorta lying about having returned to work as a detective. Wonder what Abby's next move will be? Go behind Chance's back to Paul?

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Filthy drop cloths for everybody!

Why is there a gigantic cell phone next to that shack?

Edited January 5, 2022 by Joimiaroxeu

[peacheslatour]

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Why is there a gigantic cell phone next to that shack?

To wrap Banana's ever growing collection of toenail clippings.

[MajesticMariposa]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Dominic in a hat indoors again. Ehhh. When are we going to see his hair? I feel like Y&R is going to pull something soapy with that reveal and it's not going to be great. 😒

Not sure what this means. It's cold in the studio, and the twins who play him have different hair lengths. Not sure why the hat bugs so many people. I, for one, appreciate this tiny attempt at continuity considering everything else we have to endure. Also, I'm just glad we have a real baby and not the burrito blanket.

[Skarzero]

4 hours ago, Aurora2 said:

I hated Devon and Amanda today, too.  As for Elena and Nate, they have so d*** little writing, how can we even tell anymore if they are dull or not?  And then some of the small amount of writing they do get is so corny that Oscar- winning actors would have trouble giving those words life.  So, I'd be ready to give them a chance and would have much preferred the more organic WTD story introduced in early 2021 - just before the wretched surrogacy story began.

PS.  Elena showed a lot of guilt - beat herself up for months.  I have receipts.   😉

Maybe I did miss an episode where that was the case. I certainly saw the episode where she first told Nate and she did say she was in a place where she didn't feel any guilt. I think in reference to her cheating with Nate on Devon. It might've been the acting/writing, but Elena never struck me as feeling guilty after that. And from what I did see on this very forum and the show itself, Elena seemed to mostly whine about how she "lost" two great guys and that is not guilt. Receipts aside (though you can still share them if you want lol), it doesn't matter anymore since she nor Devon faced any lasting consequences, and it's apparently all good between the 4 of them now. Which is very unrealistic and not very soap like. And the narrative, Elena's narrative in particular, which was already struggling, became dull & boring as a result of this IMO  

1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

Personally I would like Summer to be back instead of Chelsea

Come on Y&R writers you know hell has frozen over for somebody to say this! What have you done??!!!!

1 hour ago, SweePea59 said:

36 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

Since when is Noah and Chelsea all that friendly? 

I guess NoUh likes evil whackjobs that try to kill his mom and her husband. Being the toast of the art world in Paris really turned him into  a creep. He must love Phylthy, too. 😂😂😂

If CreepNoah shags Chelsea after everything she's done and done to his mother then he better relinquish his bitching rights about Sally and Adam. Same goes for Rey if he decides to get it in with Chelsea. It might actually be funny to see CreepNoah wake up in love with Phylthy. Gross as fuck but funny too! 

How coincidental that The Great Gaspy was talking about breathing exercises today. 

[KLovestoShop]

Hey, Devon.  If you’re so freaking broody, and you’re having postpartum depression, why not knock up your girlfriend and then all is well.  
 

I really don’t like how they’re writing Chance as an incompetent boob, unable to calm his “son”.  The baby is cranky and it’s not a reflection on his parenting skills. If I remember, Abbey had a problem calming the kid.  

[TobinAlbers]

Poor Chance is diving back into work because that’s the one place he feels competent and centered and where he feels like he’s making a difference. He loves Abby and Dominick but his reentry into civilian life and feeling that family bond is not clicking for him.

I hated how Devon tried to paint Chance being away as a failing. Devon, how is Chance not being by Abby’s side due to his job any different to being deployed by the military during their wife’s pregnancy? Abby wasn’t pregnant or expecting with the surrogate and Chance didn’t up and abandon them.
 

I couldn't believe the BS coming out of Amanda’s mouth. All the crap she was saying was what she knew he wanted to hear and give him justification to push for custody of Dom. Amanda, no, Devon doesn’t have a right to be angry that Abby said no dice to a change in the legal agreement that he agreed to and signed. Why does a visitation agreement need to be set up for Dom’s godfather to see him when Abby and Chance have said he can see him whenever he wants? Abby and Devon are not former romantic partners who are co-parenting. Leaving Dom with his godfather -who mind you volunteered to babysit, etc.- is not her declaring he’s the de facto dad?! Where’d you get your law degree again? To get down to it- Dominick was a business arrangement between Abby, Mariah, and Devon that was negotiated with an agreed upon and signed legal document by all parties. I don’t see any of you looking to offer the same consideration to Mariah who quite obviously wants a relationship with Dom.

With siblings like Victoria and Nick, Adam doesn’t need enemies. Yesterday, Victoria was to goad Adam using his son to get a company that she wanted to part of until she heard Adam wanted it; today Nick is poaching Noah just as Adam got him on board with NM to make himself feel better about his new direction. At least there is no malice in this move but it’s still a dick move. If Noah begins an affair with Chelsea I hope Nick’s head explodes.

Billy, Amanda, Lily, Devon, Rey, and  Chelsea can all take a long walk off a short cliff. 

Edited January 6, 2022 by TobinAlbers

[Sake614]

OMG i wanted to reach through my TV and punch both Devon and Amanda. Newsflash Devon, you have ZERO rights other than those explicitly spelled out in the legal document you signed. Just because you feel a connection to Dom doesn’t give you the right to share custody. And Amanda, stop projecting your own emotional issues onto Devon.

I really wish Devon would call Lily for support only to be told he’s out of his fucking mind and to leave Abby and Chance alone. Because throughout this whole thing, she’s been the voice of reason. When Nate told her he advised Devon to go after shared custody, Lily told him point blank that it was a REALLY bad idea. 
 

I liked nuNoah at first but now he’s clearly his father’s son. He’s even going after his father’s exes. I truly don’t remember him ever being that friendly with Chelsea, and I’m beyond tired of him trashing Sally, a woman he doesn’t even know.

[Snaporaz]

Co-signing all the comments regarding Amanda and Devon.  Everything was copacetic before Amanda put this bug in Devon's ear.  He enjoyed an open-door policy at Abby's home, Abby constantly voiced her appreciation and reassurances for his continued involvement in Dominic's life.  Where exactly was the problem?  Abby and Chance didn't "draw a line in the sand".  Amanda and Devon did.  I'm just glad Mariah is no part of this (so far, anyway...).

I really like this new Chance.  He hits all the right beats, like the inner conflict and self-doubts he feels all while putting on the brave face everybody expects from him.  And the excitement from the prospect of being liberated through work.  He also has an edge the previous guys lacked, losing that earnest yet dull Eagle Scout lustre. 

Hasn't Nick been down this exact same road a time or five before?  He and Noah were supposed to build an Underpants empire, which Nick bailed on.  And Dark Horse was supposed to be his gift to the family, a refuge for them all to escape from the clutches of Newman Enterprises.  But they all gave him a hard pass when they realized he built Dark Horse with assets he siphoned from Newman Enterprises.  This latest epiphany reminds me of Billy's 37 redemptions that all lead back to where we started.     

Edited January 6, 2022 by Snaporaz

[deirdra]

7 minutes ago, Snaporaz said:

I really like this new Chance.  He hits all the right beats, like the inner conflict and self-doubts he feels all while putting on the brave face everybody expects from him.  And the excitement from the prospect of being liberated through work.  He also has an edge the previous guys lacked, losing that earnest yet dull Eagle Scout lustre. 

I do too, but it makes it very hard to believe that this Chance would have married a superficial air-headed heiress.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Not sure what this means. It's cold in the studio, and the twins who play him have different hair lengths. Not sure why the hat bugs so many people. I, for one, appreciate this tiny attempt at continuity considering everything else we have to endure. Also, I'm just glad we have a real baby and not the burrito blanket.

Over several decades of watching at least ten soaps, I've seen babies portrayed by twins many times. Never have I seen one constantly wearing a hat, even indoors. Not sure I believe it's all that cold in the studio since so many of the Y&R actresses have bare arms and shoulders.

As far as continuity is concerned, when it comes to babies, meh. Over on B&B I recall a time when they had a toddler played by two unrelated children who looked noticeably different from each other. In at least one episode the kids were switched out multiple times during a scene, as the camera was briefly aimed at someone other than the actress who was trying to hold one of them. It was hilarious because B&B knew viewers would see what was happening but seemingly they didn't care--or they were deliberately trying to be funny.

Now about Dominic's hair, unless things plays out the way I think they might, I'm going to sit on going further into that issue. But IMO it's a potential controversy Y&R didn't need to bring in, especially since there's so much about the Dominic storyline they've already messed up.

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I really wish Devon would call Lily for support only to be told he’s out of his fucking mind and to leave Abby and Chance alone. Because throughout this whole thing, she’s been the voice of reason.

I didn't see Lily as much of a voice of reason when Devon initially came up with the idea to be Abby's sperm donor. She could've told him then it was a bad idea with many potentially bad repercussions. IIRC, all of Devon's family members supported his decision--at least the ones in GC, Note however that he's not biologically connected to any of them. I still wonder what his sister Ana or his mother Harmony would've had to say about his handing off their bio-nephew and grandson to be raised across town by other people.

Re Elena, does everyone know the actress who plays her and the actor who plays Devon are a couple IRL? It seems to have happened fairly soon after the character of Elena arrived. IMO there was a lot of bad writing to keep Elena relevant and connected to Devon, especially since the actors' onscreen chemistry seemed kind of forced. Whatever pull BJ has with TPTB seems to have been applied in his girlfriend's favor.

I too expected a WTD situation once they had Elena bouncing back and forth between Nate and Devon in a relatively short time frame. My utterly baseless theory is that the actress didn't want to wear the pregnancy padding. 😉

Edited January 6, 2022 by Joimiaroxeu

[boes]

The best part about today's show was TIIC letting Melissa Ordway deliver scenes and dialogue as a measured, adult, mature woman and not as her usual addlepated self.  She both made sense and had a bit of grown up gravitas in her scenes with Chance and Devon.  More of that - a LOT more - would be appreciated.

This whole baby nonsense continues to be a disaster all around.  Before Devon takes legal advice from Amanda, he might want to remember the bogus case that brought her to Genoa City in the first place.  You know, Devon, the one directed against YOU.  Remember her stellar work on that case and how it all played out.

Or don't.  Right now Devon is steering into territory usually reserved for Nick and ButtBiscuit.  

As for how Devon "put aside" his life and his business caring for the hamburgler while Abby was away, didn't Abby send over the nanny to help?  Am I misremembering that?  Wasn't Abby gone for less than a week?  Hell, Amazon gives me longer than that to return an item.  I babysat two of my nephews once for a month and a half - did that mean I could have kept them?   

Enough with that.  

One thing more - that picture Amanda gave Devon of Dominic's footprints?  Aren't they on the HUGE side for a child that age?  They oughtta be more worried about that.  

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by boes

[JNavarro]

I'm just piggybacking all the other observations/comments about today.  The scenes about the baby- Dominic I mean, not Devon- I KNEW would make me angry, and that still undersold it.

Amanda and that bad look on her face....  who does she think she is?  Her weakling boyfriend AGREED to everything as it now stands.  He's not being cut out of shit, and there was no "keepsies" because Abby asked him to fucking babysit.   Abby and Chance let him come into *their* home and see the kid whenever he likes.  Devon having literal custody- custody!- is guaranteed to cause confusion as to who his parents are as he grows up, but Devon doesn't seem to care.  All about Dominic, my ass.

And yet, Abby still managed to annoy me today.  She's totally in the right and is being more than gracious with Devon on the custody thing.  But enough with the side eye about Chance again.  Didn't she see how happy and enthusiastic he was? He's going to be a much better father doing what he feels fulfilled doing instead of in some existential crisis.  The dude's going to do dangerous work, and this is about as safe as it's gonna get.  

I like the Chance/Rey bromance.  These guys really do seem like partners even though this is all new with this particular actor.  

I thought Nick's big plan for Noah was going to be a blowup doll.

Edited January 6, 2022 by JNavarro

[Joimiaroxeu]

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One thing more - that picture Amanda gave Devon of Dominic's footprints?  Aren't they on the HUGE side for a child that age?  They oughtta be more worried about that.  

Lol, when I saw those footprints I gasped and then I laughed. Why would you enlarge an image of a baby's feet? I thought the whole point was for the kid to be able to look back and see how tiny they once were. Dom's gonna look back and think, "NBA, here I come!"

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I thought Nick's big plan for Noah was going to be a blowup doll.

Nick shouldn't bother. Noah would probably be so mopey and smug the doll would deflate itself in exasperation. Perhaps Chelsea should take Noah for a spin because I think he's way past needing his cylinders blown out.

[Aurora2]

12 hours ago, Skarzero said:

Maybe I did miss an episode where that was the case. I certainly saw the episode where she first told Nate and she did say she was in a place where she didn't feel any guilt. I think in reference to her cheating with Nate on Devon. It might've been the acting/writing, but Elena never struck me as feeling guilty after that. And from what I did see on this very forum and the show itself, Elena seemed to mostly whine about how she "lost" two great guys and that is not guilt. Receipts aside (though you can still share them if you want lol), it doesn't matter anymore since she nor Devon faced any lasting consequences, and it's apparently all good between the 4 of them now. Which is very unrealistic and not very soap like. And the narrative, Elena's narrative in particular, which was already struggling, became dull & boring as a result of this IMO  

 

You have missed a lot!  The scenes and situations you reference happened in late March-April and represent the winding up of Elena’s long period of guilt, confusion and recrimination and mistakes for having messed up so badly early the preceding October and subsequently.  They show her when she is able to give voice to the fallout of what she did (losing two good men) and openly acknowledge that loss was on her.  The April scenes with Nate were specifically about her FINALLY being able to forgive herself and really move forward.

Elena to Nate:  “You just wanted to love me, but I wasn’t ready to be loved.  I didn’t feel like I deserved it.  I felt guilty.  But that’s changed now because I’ve FINALLY forgiven myself.”

I understand missing this because I know what it’s like when we have dismissed characters as unimportant or uninteresting. We tend to pay little attention when they are on screen.  For these characters that get so little screen time and such limited development, often there is a significant amount of character and story revealed in a few lines and a few moments.  But, when we have moved away from those characters, we often miss those moments.  Understandably.

I definitely agree that Elena’s writing has been very limited – being made, as she was, to live in the Hilamanda shadow and essentially be written badly to pave an easy path for Amanda to her dead sister’s husband.  And then given so little of substance after this writing/producing goal was achieved.  However, ever the champion of the underdog – of the characters so obviously used to create story for others – I am always open for more stories and possibilities for her. 

[SweePea59]

When Elena first came to town, she was the nursemaid to the old has-been singer. She was a shy country mouse. She had character development. She was an underdog to root for, even though she was dull as dishwater. Devon fell in love with her and boom, her character was destroyed. She became the greatest nurse-doctor-surgeon that ever sat around the coffee house and Abby's restaurant drinking coffee all day and night. She's a cheater who couldn't understand why both the men she cheated on/with didn't want anything to do with her, until boom, they both are cool with everything for no apparent reason and Nate flipped his switch and is on with her again. She's a non-entity with no personality. I can't even force myself to pay attention when she's on screen.

[Skarzero]

^^^All of This!!!

Elena was doomed from the start as she was so obviously brought in so TIIC could cover their asses for killing Hillary. And I have to agree with @Joimiaroxeu that there was plenty of bad writing and screen time spent trying to get Elena relevant/likeable, she was shoved in our faces quite a bit at first. Along the way TPTB possibly accepted that not many people were picking up what they were putting down, and abruptly stopped. (The only smart choice they made, too bad they didn't do that for this BS baby SL). No, the writing doesn't help but when does it ever help anyone anymore? On any soap, even the veterans are written like shit or not at all and they still manage to make it work somehow even if only barely. IMO Brytni Sarpy just doesn't measure up to Mishael Morgan or Christel Khalil, especially in the latter's heyday. She lacks everything that other actors around her seem to have. Most other actors on this show can work around bad writing and still make their characters stand out and rootable to us(well not Jason Thompson or Michelle Stafford but that's another can of worms). Elena has not ever been one of those characters, even from the jump, IMO. I (very slightly) sympathize with the fact that was used as a tool more than a character but that's all the more reason for her to be written off. TIIC will never do her justice. It happens, some characters stick and some don't and we hope it's the ones we like. Take Lola as an example, she was brought in the same way, if not worse, because she was certainly used to prop up many characters big time, her shitty family, Kyle, Summer, Abby, even Dullena herself etc, but she actually took off with the audience in spite of all of that, and for what it's worth I didn't care for her much either(until they shafted her then I became a fan out of spite lol), but I understood the hype and Sasha Calle certainly helped in that regard. 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Skarzero

[Kemper]

I have never cared that much for Elena; she was always kind of blah. I don’t know if this was due to the actress or the writing. But it didn’t help that she was initially paired with Devon - who is even more blah than Elena. The actor/character has never really clicked with anyone he has been paired with. There is no fire or passion to him; at least onscreen. And considering he is now written as a major character and leading man…..almost any story, whether it be dramatic or romantic, will be a fail. Amanda is also being terribly written. As is the “baby” story, the Billy story, the Adam story, Nick story, Noah story, etc. so maybe the biggest problem, overall, is not the actors (except for Devon) …. maybe it is the writing. Hoping that maybe the “Ashland” story will pleasantly surprise us - especially if Victoria has a huge fall. Sadly, the writers will probably run true to form and it will be an epic fail.

[Skarzero]

2 hours ago, Aurora2 said:

They show her when she is able to give voice to the fallout of what she did (losing two good men) and openly acknowledge that loss was on her.  The April scenes with Nate were specifically about her FINALLY being able to forgive herself and really move forward.

Elena to Nate:  “You just wanted to love me, but I wasn’t ready to be loved.  I didn’t feel like I deserved it.  I felt guilty.  But that’s changed now because I’ve FINALLY forgiven myself.”

I somewhat understand that, but that does seem very convenient in a telly instead of showy kind of way. And she said she felt guilty (and then she didn't anymore so like I said it didn't matter) but she, or at least the narrative certainly didn't show it. And viewers may have their biases but there is a reason that the general consensus is, that she spent most of her time whining about losing Devon and Nate(not really as they still talked to her and Nate took her back) to her back and forth cheating. Mileage varies and we'll just have to agree to disagree XD 

I know what's it's like to love characters that are unpopular/shoddily written from other series/franchises. So I 100% understand where you're coming from and good luck! But this is Josh Griffith and co. we're talking about so don't hold out too much hope because they sure don't deserve it!  

[Julyolo]

Can the show stylist please get Moses a new wig? Or at least clean and refresh the one he's wearing?

[TobinAlbers]

Even when Billy is doing the right thing he's such an ass about it (and still deluded in some ways) that you still kind of hate him for it.

Billy finally busted Sally and confronted Adam and called off his participation in the vendetta. But even in that conversation Billy was deluding himself and puffing out his chest that he actually 'got' Adam and could've taken him down if he wanted to...except he didn't (Adam never published anything) and he couldn't (Victoria cut him off at the knees).  There was some truth to what Victoria said in that Billy might've stayed on his path had she not commandeered his plan but I think Billy did get fed up having Adam in his head and a part of him realizes that he'd never be happy even if he 'won'. He had Lily and another job to prove his worth and he's smartly taking it. Good for him.

I did not like the look on Adam's face at the end as it appears Billy's goading fired him up into being testy and becoming the active participant now. I hope he sees that with Billy laying down his sword, he needs to do the same and leave the man and the Abbotts alone. Embrace the kind words of Moses from earlier about the good deeds you've done and keep on in that direction!

Victoria vs Adam makes more sense in that she irrationally hates on him as well when she could live her life and keep winning. Instead she has to take away any toys he gets because she doesn't want him to have them. It's moments like these that she needs to remember what he did for Johnny and Faith to at least kill the impulse to bury him whenever she feels like it.

Moses was a dork, but I loved him for it.

Amanda and Devon and Lily can go to hell.  If Abby had spiraled in her grief due to Chance's death would Devon be so bold as to want to sue for custody?  If Hilary had died after childbirth and left you as a single father with you spiraling hard, would Amanda have a right to sue you for custody?  You're using Chance's trauma as an excuse to claim Dominick and it's gross.  Dude, you just saw Chance happily playing with the kid at Society and that pushes you over to wanting to take them to court?  Just be honest with yourself - you've changed your mind and want to claim the child as your own and push Chance to the step-father role with no legal say/rights to that child.  You're thinking of your feelings and no one else.

[Aurora2]

2 hours ago, Kemper said:

I have never cared that much for Elena; she was always kind of blah. I don’t know if this was due to the actress or the writing. But it didn’t help that she was initially paired with Devon - who is even more blah than Elena. The actor/character has never really clicked with anyone he has been paired with. There is no fire or passion to him; at least onscreen. And considering he is now written as a major character and leading man…..almost any story, whether it be dramatic or romantic, will be a fail. Amanda is also being terribly written. As is the “baby” story, the Billy story, the Adam story, Nick story, Noah story, etc. so maybe the biggest problem, overall, is not the actors (except for Devon) …. maybe it is the writing. Hoping that maybe the “Ashland” story will pleasantly surprise us - especially if Victoria has a huge fall. Sadly, the writers will probably run true to form and it will be an epic fail.

I'd say the Devon & Amanda story is an even bigger fail than the bits the writers gave to Devon and Elena.  A bigger fail because the Demandud relationship was supposed to be this gift from the soap gods that we would all bow down and adore. 

[Aurora2]

3 hours ago, Skarzero said:

^^^All of This!!!

Elena was doomed from the start as she was so obviously brought in so TIIC could cover their asses for killing Hillary. And I have to agree with @Joimiaroxeu that there was plenty of bad writing and screen time spent trying to get Elena relevant/likeable, she was shoved in our faces quite a bit at first. Along the way TPTB possibly accepted that not many people were picking up what they were putting down, and abruptly stopped. (The only smart choice they made, too bad they didn't do that for this BS baby SL). No, the writing doesn't help but when does it ever help anyone anymore?

Hmm - Elena/Brytni NEVER had the writing you all suggest to promote her.  Within weeks of her arrival, Elena was dealing with Hilary's ghost and Devon's panic attacks and grief over her.  Hilamanda was always in the room and in her story.  Elena was given a cursory background which was quickly dismissed and very few substantial character interactions or friendships.  No real development of the character FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.   I do think there was an attempt to ramp up drama for Mishael's return story by showing a relationship between Elena and Devon.  But that was the extent of any "development" for Elena.

It was always Mishael's story and it's too bad because most of her story has been a dud.  Not many stories or characters are succeeding in this regime. 

In fact, I wonder how well some veteran characters would do if they  had been introduced in the present YR?????

[Julyolo]

I think alot of the facial expressions (or lack of) we are seeing on Devon are due to the fact that as an actor even he can't commit to this stupid storyline 

[TVForever]

On 1/4/2022 at 4:24 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

 

Sorry but Traci being so gracious to Adam and Phyllis didn't sit right with me. This is GC, not the Land of Oz, Traci. You are not Glinda the Good Witch and those two are way beyond having a house dropped on them. 🙁

 

It's infuriating, but that's just Traci. Don't forget, she manages to be kind/gracious to Victor, who carries Colleen's heart in his chest, AFTER he was the one indirectly (or directly, depending on who you ask) responsible for her death!

On 1/5/2022 at 12:06 AM, JNavarro said:

After today especially, I don't get the whole Sally/Adam thing.  

I mean, they do have chemistry for sure.  But the way this is written is such a dud.  It's not coming off as a slow burn, just her looking like a desperate fool as usual and Adam acting like he's too good for her.  

Agreed. They have really great chemistry, and Show seems to make it clear that Adam likes her and thinks of her than he wants to, but yeah, Sally is coming off as WAY TOO THIRSTY, when she doesn't need to. They like each other, let the slow build happen on it's own. 

20 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

 

Why in the world did TIIC have to bring Chelsea back?  Was there millions of fans clamoring for her return?  Personally I would like Summer to be back instead of Chelsea.  No only is Chelsea back but TIIC gave her power and a sense of entitlement.  In addition, Chelsea is the new toast of the town with Noah and Rey.  Do I smell chemistry tests. By the way Chelsea has new designs but they were all rejected by Rexx Ruggs. 

Since when is Noah and Chelsea all that friendly?  I guess Noah and Chelsea friendly enough to throw her some gossip about Adam and Sally at the wedding. Noah said he didn’t know Sally all that well but just like his father, it doesn’t preclude him from passing judgement on people.  WTF?  Chelsea hasn’t even been in the office and she implies that things are terrible at NM.  

 

 

Yeah, Show is clearly chem-testing Chelsea with Rey and Noah. I definitely see the Rey thing happening at some point, especially as Nicholas has declared his "newfound (for the 87th time)" appreciation for his family, including Sharon. When he said that, I could only think, "Uh-oh". Nick's feeling lonely, he'll want to glom onto Sharon, she won't be able to draw any boundaries around her marriage (again), Rey's going to feel all jealous and butt-hurt (again), and he'll start turning to Chelsea for comfort and validation. Etc, etc...

19 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

 

Salmon and grits. Okay, I like salmon and I love grits but those two foods together? Nah. 🤢 Amanda, maybe you and Devon should order a pizza instead.

 

It's a Southern thing! 😋 I love some salmon and grits!

[tanyak]

21 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Amanda and Devon and Lily can go to hell.  If Abby had spiraled in her grief due to Chance's death would Devon be so bold as to want to sue for custody?  If Hilary had died after childbirth and left you as a single father with you spiraling hard, would Amanda have a right to sue you for custody?  You're using Chance's trauma as an excuse to claim Dominick and it's gross.  Dude, you just saw Chance happily playing with the kid at Society and that pushes you over to wanting to take them to court?  Just be honest with yourself - you've changed your mind and want to claim the child as your own and push Chance to the step-father role with no legal say/rights to that child.  You're thinking of your feelings and no one else.

All of this. I read here, and don't really post, but this storyline is just so far out there. Chance has been home, what, all of five or six weeks? He comes back to a brand new baby. Everyone decides he needs to have a welcome home party two seconds after he arrives back in town. He's dealing with guilt over the mission. To Chance's credit, his talks to a few people instead of keeping it all bottled up. Now Devon has decided that between that and Chance's inability to quiet a baby ONCE, he's worried about Bowie's wellbeing. And folks are co-signing this foolishness. Please. 

[gingerella]

EVERYone paired with Darvon quickly becomes a visual sedative. He's a career killer IMO. Horrible actor. Horrible character.

I literally f/f'd through nearly the entire epi last night. There is nothing worth watching. Creepy Noah, NO. Sharon/Nick/Rey, NO. Buttbiscuit/My Pretty Pony/Mop, NO. Tessriah adoption, NO. scAbby/Chance/Baby Dom, NO. Darvon/scAmanda/Armani, NO. Natey Nate Nate Nate/Elena, NO. Pricktor/Asshat/Drinkki, NO. Manjaw/Sally/Adam/Chloe, NO. syPhyllis/and anyone, NO. There is NOTHING I want to see on this show right now. NOTH.ING.

[peacheslatour]

14 minutes ago, gingerella said:

EVERYone paired with Darvon quickly becomes a visual sedative. He's a career killer IMO. Horrible actor. Horrible character.

I literally f/f'd through nearly the entire epi last night. There is nothing worth watching. Creepy Noah, NO. Sharon/Nick/Rey, NO. Buttbiscuit/My Pretty Pony/Mop, NO. Tessriah adoption, NO. scAbby/Chance/Baby Dom, NO. Darvon/scAmanda/Armani, NO. Natey Nate Nate Nate/Elena, NO. Pricktor/Asshat/Drinkki, NO. Manjaw/Sally/Adam/Chloe, NO. syPhyllis/and anyone, NO. There is NOTHING I want to see on this show right now. NOTH.ING.

I'd like to see Buttbiscuit burst into flames but we can never have nice things.

[Skarzero]

Sally might've been annoying but how I wish she had upper cut Nostrils for snatching that hat off her head the way he did.   

Awww  Darvon can't eat or sleep? Boo fucking hoo, good! That opportunistic prick should starve. He's worried about Dominic's wellbeing? Then maybe he should back the hell off instead of stressing Dom's parents out even more with an ugly custody battle. The fuck? Neither Abby or Chance are that worse for wear considering what they, especially Chance went through. How fucking dare he use what Chance told him in a moment of vulnerability and in confidence as lame justification for what he was probably going to do all along. He saw Chance happy with Dom cooing and then goes on to call Dominic his son. Fuck this guy he's officially in Buttbiscuit/Banana Breath territory. Lily enabling skills continue to be stellar as she now encourages her dick of a brother to go after Abby/Chance's son. 

7 hours ago, gingerella said:

EVERYone paired with Darvon quickly becomes a visual sedative. He's a career killer IMO. Horrible actor. Horrible character.

Fax no printer. 

NotBilly is such a smug, unaware asshole. Everything he said about Adam applies to himself. He was really feeling himself after he came clean to still try and buff up his plan like it was the best thing since fucking D-Day. He wasn't getting shit done, even if Adam was buying it he hadn't done anything about it, so what did that moron think there was to gloat about? And as snobby and shitty as Victoria is, why should she care about Billy after he's done nothing but piss on her and emotionally manipulate/bully her even before she knew about his shit plan? *sigh* At least a small part of the stupidity is over, until next time... 

I like Moses, he was the only breath of fresh air today. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Skarzero

[SweePea59]

19 minutes ago, Skarzero said:

NotBilly is such a smug, unaware asshole. Everything he said about Adam applies to himself.

It was as if Buttbiscuit was talking to himself in the mirror. And I wish Adam would have pointed that out to him. Billy wasn't taking any high road to anywhere, not unless gloating and telling Adam that he could have taken him down is some kind of a high road, lol. And let's face it, Buttbiscuit himself would have fucked up his own master plan sooner or later.

I wasn't in front of the tv when Faith was on and I kept thinking, who is that woman she's talking to? Boy was I surprised to see high-talking, weird-lady-voiced Moses.

So they managed to make Darvon an even bigger ass. And despicable to boot. Congratulations!

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Moses is so unnatural on screen and still seems nervous delivering his lines.  Result: FF

Devon is an experienced actor yet dull as dishwater.  He has the demeanour of a very old man with a long beard.  His voice never changes either and is delivered monotone.  I agree he has zero chemistry with anyone.  Result: FF

 

 

[Gam2]

3 hours ago, Julyolo said:

Can the show stylist please get Moses a new wig? Or at least clean and refresh the one he's wearing?

Every time I see him I think he’s wearing a hat!

[Joimiaroxeu]

Watch out Billy. Keep being bratty and you might come back one day and find all your stuff out in the hall. Miss Lily is not here for you playing Victoria's stooge.

Faith and Moses. Sigh. The year had such promise until those two sleep inducements showed up again.

A sweater. What teenaged boy wants a cardigan as a gift? That's something Moses' mommy Sofia would give him, not his girlfriend.

What? Chance folded on going back to work already. Aw man. Abby gets to keep living in her fairy tale world. 🙄

Double 0 Nothing, lol. I'm going to give Sally the benefit of the doubt and assume she subconsciously wanted to be caught by Billy to end the embarrassment of that disguise.

Wow, Billy must've gotten scared straight by Lily's hissy fit. His admitting his scheme to Adam was unexpected. Wonder why he didn't rat out Victoria's part in it?

Victoria was hella vicious with Billy. At least he succeeded in cracking her Ice Queen face into a billion pieces on his way out. Cleanup in the CEO's office, stat!

Now that Moses has belatedly stepped up his gift-giving game, I think Faith needs to do better too. She should buy Moses a car. 😉

Oy, there goes CI if Billy will be working there. He's for sure going to pull some self-serving shenanigans that will wreck everything. Lily, you'll likely end up having to fire him or Jill will have to drop kick you out. Don't say you weren't warned.

Adam was crying? Daaaannnnggg. 😏

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Hmm - Elena/Brytni NEVER had the writing you all suggest to promote her. 

I think that's one way of looking at it.

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It's a Southern thing! 😋 I love some salmon and grits!

I'm a Texan by birth and have many "south by southwest" tastes, or at least exposure from an East Texas perspective. Salmon and grits is a new one on me though. Maybe I'll get curious enough to try it one day. 😶

Edited January 6, 2022 by Joimiaroxeu