S09.E13: Point 'Break'

[MatildaMoody]

 

The conversation was started by Lizzie who insisted the women in the room fill Heather in on what had been said about her.  Once Tamra confirmed the "pick a side" comment and Heather became defensive is when Shannon called her out for being condescending.  Heather obviously wasn't too offended she stuck around for a bit.

It doesn't matter that Lizzie called Shannon and Tamra out on trash talking another guest. What matters is the conversation was between Heather and Tamra. And once Tamra lied about the "pick a side" comment (seriously, did you how shifty she got with that?) the conversation was still between Heather and Tamra. Shannon donned her "Captain Save-A-Ho" cape and decided to insert herself in the conversation and chastised her.

 

Heather stuck around to defend herself because what started out as a discussion between her and Tamra turned into a Tamra and Shannon both tag teaming her and putting her on the defensive.

[motorcitymom65]

Honest question: If you wanted someone to leave your house, especially someone you do not like/get along with and are fighting in circles, how do you ask them to leave? Or do they get to stay indefinitely? Cuz from what I saw, Shannon came unannounced (I know, I know...but I'm playing along here), Heather welcomed her in, poured her a drink, and they talked. It's not like she kicked her out immediately. They were arguing , it was getting acrimonious, Heather didn't want her kids listening to this, so she said "We're done. Please leave". (Amy Phillips as Heather just did a parody of this on WWHL tonight and said this verbatim).

My theory is that Shannon didn't expect it to go down the way she did...she's very needy and self-centered, and people with this personality trait are always waiting for you to have that aha moment to validate their point of view. But of course this wasn't going to happen with Heather, who never gives in and who is not easily manipulated. So I think Shannon was shocked that the talk/argument was cut short the way it was, and probably embarrassed, because I'm guessing that's never happened to her before.

I agree with this. I don't think that Shannon/Sharon expected for Heather to not engage in the conversation when she was seeking info about Tamra.  I think she assumed that Heather would confirm that she had heard the information from Tamra. After all, Shannon had heard Tamra speak ill of Heather on more than one occasion. She probably assumed that Heather would be willing to do treat Tamra as poorly as Tamra had treated Heather, and she was wrong. Mother to mother, she assumed Heather would be embarrassed at being caught gossiping, and immediately throw her source under the bus. Isn't that what most of these broads generally do? I think she assumed she would appear distraught and that Heather would just tell her what she wanted to know. Maybe that is how folks deal with Shannon. 

 

I think that Shannon is use to being the fragile one. The one who needs to be accommodated.  I don't dislike her at all - I actually like many things about her, but I do think that she has been extremely sheltered and taken care of. David's comment when she was driving home from the Dubrow's (are you OK to drive), his concern that she would not be able to sleep in Vicki's guest room. It just seems to me that he, and maybe others around them, feel the need to tread lightly around her so that she doesn't fall apart. From the very first moment she met these gals she stressed to them that David didn't plan vacations for them. Well, she is a SAHM and has plenty of money, why wouldn't she plan vacations? It seems like she needs others to take care of her. 

 

I have wondered in the past, but does anyone know what Shannon was doing with her life between when she graduated from USC and when she married David in her mid-30's? That is a long time - 12 years or so - where she has never mentioned having a job or a career of any kind. She doesn't talk about traveling, doing volunteer work, etc. I've looked on-line and I can find nothing that points to her doing anything before she married David and started having kids. That is a long time, and the prime time of your life, to just be doing nothing. 

[What In The]

Maybe she got what happened confused with one of the plots from her many soon-to-be cancelled televisions shows?

Lol. Maybe..

Heather's problems compared to other people's real problems are like comparing a blow up raft to the Titanic. I guess this could apply to all of the h wives.

[LoLo]

Heather said "leave" and pointed to the door.  This was a scene that was scheduled.  Heather ended it early and dramatically.  If you want to call Shannon a liar for interpreting that as being thrown out, then Heather is a liar for interpreting Shannon as yelling at her.

 

I don't like either woman.  To me, they are very similar.  Both beat their heightened slights to death.  No diff.

Shannon did lie about what Heather said. Heather never said "zip it" when Shannon was talking & she never said "get out of my house". She said I would like you to leave & I'm done. you need to go. Interpreting something is your own feelings not the truth. She felt kicked out, I get that. But, that doesn't make it ok to lie about what was said. Shannon can't stand Tamra lying or that Heather interprets Shannon as yelling at her but Shannon can lie & interpret anything the way she wants? Not fair & like you, I don't really care for either one but the truth is the truth. 

Heather said "leave" and pointed to the door.  This was a scene that was scheduled.  Heather ended it early and dramatically.  If you want to call Shannon a liar for interpreting that as being thrown out, then Heather is a liar for interpreting Shannon as yelling at her.

 

I don't like either woman.  To me, they are very similar.  Both beat their heightened slights to death.  No diff.

Shannon did lie about what Heather said. Heather never said "zip it" when Shannon was talking & she never said "get out of my house". She said I would like you to leave & I'm done. you need to go. Interpreting something is your own feelings not the truth. She felt kicked out, I get that. But, that doesn't make it ok to lie about what was said. Shannon can't stand Tamra lying or that Heather interprets Shannon as yelling at her but Shannon can lie & interpret anything the way she wants? Not fair & like you, I don't really care for either one but the truth is the truth. 

[RubyWoo72]

Ha! My phone keeps autocorrecting to Sharon. I'll try to be more careful so as to not drive Shannon crazy in her head.

Dammit y'all. Now I keep hearing Ozzy in my head, with his damn "Shaahh-RUN"-shouting all the damn time. Back when errbody didn't have a reality show yet.

[Mu Shu]

It's like an extension of her humble brag routine.  Heather is smart enough not to take ownership of anything and it is always second hand and sometimes under the guise of concern.

 

I remember when Lizzie was talking about how her marriage proposal was very spontaneous and not what she expected.  Heather had to talk about how her proposal was not good, because it was on the plane as supposed to fabulous vacation to Paris that Terry had just took her on.   I wish she was on Beverly Hills with Lisa, because then she would have gotten a "Really darling, did he not even charter a private plane?" or "You do not have your own personal plane...how do you get by?" which would have shut her pretentiousness down.

 

Heather and Shannon really belong on BH with their wealth ( I hear that Newport Beach is a very pricey and exclusive area).  However, in comparison to this crew pre-Shannon, Heather was the smartest, richest, most successful (as she has had modest success with her acting career) one with a lovely family and a rich surgeon husband that seemed to adore her.  If Heather would have just sucked up her pride and accepted Shannon's apology before the house breaking hoedown, then she still would have been still sitting pretty.

 

Lizzie's husband seems nice, but a little disheveled and dorky.  I feel like they might get assistance from Lizzie's, now what I realize must be wealthy family, more then we were lead to believe.  Of course, who would not want to take advantage of their in law's fabulous beach condo.  I wonder if Lizzie's family also helped them buy their house or helped finance Christian business? I think he is also an entrepreneur, but I am not sure, as I really do not remember what he does for a living.

Whatever Christian does for a living does not require him to comb his hair.

[LotusFlower]

If you are asking someone to leave your house in the m idle of a conversation, you are kicking them out.

But my question was different from the "did Heather kick Shannon out" debate. For anyone siding with Shannon's can-you-believe-she-kicked-me-out plea for shock and sympathy, how would you handle the same situation? And I don't mean as pertaining to this incredibly over-analyzed scenario, but if you were in Heather's shoes, and an acquaintance you didn't like came over, and you wanted them to leave...

Edited July 17, 2014 by LotusFlower

[zoeysmom]

But my question was different from the "did Heather kick Shannon out" debate. For anyone siding with Shannon's can-you-believe-she-kicked-me-out plea for shock and sympathy, how would you handle the same situation? And I don't mean as pertaining to this incredibly over-analyzed scenario, but if you were in Heather's shoes, and an acquaintance you didn't like came over, and you wanted them to leave...

How about-Shannon I can see you are upset and I think my kids can hear us-how about we meet for drink or let me check on my children before we continue this conversation?  Or Terry and I have a party to go to and are running late, can we finish this conversation later?  Or better yet-I think we need to invite Tamra to join us how about we give her a call and the three of us get together? 

 

If Shannon didn't get the hint then it would be appropriate to show her the door.

 

I think many of us have been in a situation where we don't like the subject manner and have not ask someone to leave. 

[Higgins]

Or, yes Tamara did tell me about your marriage issues and I discussed them with some friends at lunch. I'm sorry, it was thoughtless of me

[LotusFlower]

How about-Shannon I can see you are upset and I think my kids can hear us-how about we meet for drink or let me check on my children before we continue this conversation?  Or Terry and I have a party to go to and are running late, can we finish this conversation later?  Or better yet-I think we need to invite Tamra to join us how about we give her a call and the three of us get together? 

 

If Shannon didn't get the hint then it would be appropriate to show her the door.

I feel like that's exactly what she did (show Shannon the door), just not in a warm and fuzzy manner. But I appreciate your answer, and gotta say option #3 is one I can totally get behind!

[Lola16]

Shannon did lie about what Heather said. Heather never said "zip it" when Shannon was talking & she never said "get out of my house". She said I would like you to leave & I'm done. you need to go. Interpreting something is your own feelings not the truth. She felt kicked out, I get that. But, that doesn't make it ok to lie about what was said. Shannon can't stand Tamra lying or that Heather interprets Shannon as yelling at her but Shannon can lie & interpret anything the way she wants? Not fair & like you, I don't really care for either one but the truth is the truth. 

Shannon did lie about what Heather said. Heather never said "zip it" when Shannon was talking & she never said "get out of my house". She said I would like you to leave & I'm done. you need to go. Interpreting something is your own feelings not the truth. She felt kicked out, I get that. But, that doesn't make it ok to lie about what was said. Shannon can't stand Tamra lying or that Heather interprets Shannon as yelling at her but Shannon can lie & interpret anything the way she wants? Not fair & like you, I don't really care for either one but the truth is the truth. 

I would have to rewatch the scene which I don't have any desire to.  Heather has said 'zip it' complete with the gesture in prior episodes.  I do not know if she has ever said it to Shannon.  I don't see Shannon as lying in that scene any more than I see Heather lying when she claims (ad nauseam) that Shannon yelled at her.  Both women perceived the situations wrongly but I don't believe either are intentionally misstating the truth.  Now Tamra however, I do believe lies repeatedly.

 

 

Or, yes Tamara did tell me about your marriage issues and I discussed them with some friends at lunch. I'm sorry, it was thoughtless of me

That would be too adult.  Heather seems to me that she learned her social skills in sleep away camp where she bossed all the other campers around so that they would all do things the correct (i.e.: Heather's) way.

[FozzyBear]

I feel like that's exactly what she did (show Shannon the door), just not in a warm and fuzzy manner. But I appreciate your answer, and gotta say option #3 is one I can totally get behind!

Right? I mean Terry came up with her required Grey Goose and reminded Heather they didn't want to be late for their monthly We Hate Shannon club meeting and costume ball. Then when Heather was sick of going around in circles she told Shannon her kids were in the house and she wanted to end the conversation. Option #3 is one they both should have explored. Shannon when she confronted Tamara "No? Ok let's call Heather and ask her how she knows." And Heather when Shannon confronted her "Let's call Tamara and you can ask her what she told me". Other than that I got nothing. I feel like Shannon is pulling a similar move to what Heather pulled on Alexis;

"Come here so I can tell you why I hate you."

"Uh, I'd rather not"

"But you are a horrible person and I will not rest until I make you understand that!"

"Ok, gots to go"

I didn't like it when Heather did it and I don't like it now that Shannon is. It's just childish.

[sandyskyblue]

 Now Heather claiming that Sharon ruined whatever holiday she was trying to celebrate, that's a stretch.

IIRC, when Heather said that to David, he said he wasn't buying it.....and neither do I....like others have stated here, David impressed me with the way he handled himself and how he stuck up for Shannon on this episode....Terry, the little bitch, seems to delight in making Heather look bad (rescue vs. pure bred dog, for example).... gotta admit that tickles me, but he could take a lesson or 2 from David on how to treat your wife on a show like this....

[Grneyedldy]

When Shannon went to a Heathers house, she didn't think it out thoroughly (I think) because she just expected Heather to tell the truth. It was a pretty easy question and I think Shannon would have been in and out in no time if she hadn't been thwarted with Heather's demand for another apology.

[LotusFlower]

When Shannon went to a Heathers house, she didn't think it out thoroughly (I think) because she just expected Heather to tell the truth. It was a pretty easy question and I think Shannon would have been in and out in no time if she hadn't been thwarted with Heather's demand for another apology.

I can't agree with this. I definitely agree that Heather's "Wait....you're not here to apologize to ME?" stance took the conversation away from where Shannon thought it would go, but I don't think Shannon's needy personality would have been ok with a simple admission of Heather gossiping at lunch. Cuz she got that. But she needed MORE.

[lunastartron]

Hissing, "we're done, please leave," and pointing to the door is not a diplomatic or mature way of handling the tete-a-tete that was presented. It's a command/edict, not a request, and to me it's as far from Heather's constructively articulated retcons ("We're not getting anywhere here, and I can hear my children, which means they can hear us," all revised to a genial delivery for the benefit of her third and fourth-party audiences) as it is from Shannon's "get out." While I would understand *that* reaction if Shannon had, in fact, materialized unannounced on the Dubrows' door step and initiated the aggression with Heather, she did neither of those things. Heather was expecting her and was the one to first devolve into combativeness. All of the above suggestions are tactics a well socialized and/or image-conscious and fast-thinking cast member would have adopted; I actually think Heather just isn't particularly quick on her feet, and while she isn't as histrionic as Shannon when she becomes irate, she loses control just as definitively. A cool/stoic customer she's not; she gets a pitbullish set to her jaw, exudes simmering-to-boil discontent, and can't reign herself in (see: the still bizarrely rabid attacks on Alexis at the season 7 reunion and at the coffee shop when they finally effected their detente). If Lydia is up for returning once she's had her baby, production should take her up on it. Shannon is too showily dramatic with Heather, and it just allows her foes to peddle that whole "crazy" narrative, and while Alexis was surprisingly cogent and collected at times, she just didn't have the nuance of vocabulary to express her points as clearly and concisely as possible.

[Grneyedldy]

I can't agree with this. I definitely agree that Heather's "Wait....you're not here to apologize to ME?" stance took the conversation away from where Shannon thought it would go, but I don't think Shannon's needy personality would have been ok with a simple admission of Heather gossiping at lunch. Cuz she got that. But she needed MORE.

That's not why Shannon went there. All Shannon wanted to know was who told Heather about the email David sent. Shannon knew it was Tamra but wanted confirmation.

[LotusFlower]

That's not why Shannon went there. All Shannon wanted to know was who told Heather about the email David sent. Shannon knew it was Tamra but wanted confirmation.

That's not true. She wanted to know who told her about her marriage problems, and she got the answer fairly quickly. But then she wanted to discuss the contents of the e-mail - in other words, why Heather was spreading the gossip. And that subject is a lot more involved.

[Olive]

As much as I loathe the idea of even sounding like I am defending Heather, I have to say that I think this is exactly what Heather described to Shannon about it being a matter of perception.

 

On RHNY, Ramona politely asked George to leave her event after he grabbed her arm. When he refused, she had security escort him out. No matter what he did and how Ramona spoke to him, he will always claim that he was kicked out of her party. And, he was. He was kicked out AFTER refusing to leave.

 

On this show, Heather politely asked Shannon to leave because they weren't getting anywhere in the conversation, and  Shannon left. Shannon's perception was that she was kicked out because that is what it felt like to her.

 

Shannon chastised Heather in front of a group of women while Heather was having a conversation that didn't involve her. So, her perception was that Shannon was yelling at her. Shannon didn't yell at her, but when you are chastised or admonished in front of a group, it can feel as though the person is yelling even if that isn't an accurate account of what happened. 

 

So, I will say that Shannon was kicked out the same way that Heather was yelled at. They both see the situation differently because they were both put on the spot and things seemed more intense in the situation than they actually were in reality.

I agree with your post, except for one thing.  At the restaurant during chairgate, Heather accused Shannon of yelling from the restroom and wagging her finger the whole while she was walking back to the table.  We saw the original scene, and we have seen it in at least one flashback so we know that is not what happened.  That is not a matter of perception, that is a matter of exaggeration.  And, might I add, it happened long before these other issues cropped up between the two, which lends credit to the idea that Heather was never going to give Shannon a real chance.

[JAYJAY1979]

Didn't Shannon in frustration say to Heather that since she wanted the chair so badly, she could sit there?  Was that before or after Heather made a big deal about the chari?

[PhilMarlowe2]

It was after. Chairgate was all Heather, IMO. Heather got weirdly upset about it and then, when she realized what a fool she had made of herself, she completely projected her issues about the chair onto Shannon.

[NannyPants]

Dear god. The Dubrows are so annoyingly immature. I really like it when they get all self-righteous and nasty. Heather hunkers down, leans forward and narrows her eyes (as best she can...a little help here, Terry,'please). She then addresses her victim in a voice loud enough fir all to hear, speaking s-l-o-w-l-y and oh so deliberately, so that everyone can savor each syllable as it passes her lips. And Terry puffs himself up, trying to look important an sage like, but he still just looks like a snotty version of Jim Nabors. Sorry, Terry. I bet the two of them replay their big m moments in the car on the way home, with Heather playing all the parts (she's an "in demand " actress, you know.).

Terry: "and then I said, "oh sure...like I care about taking you diwn. I have bigger fish to fry at my beautiful surgical suite in NEWPORT BEACH, where I sculpt the very rich body parts of some very rich celebrities.

Heather: "Oh , Dr.Terry. You deserve the Nobel Prize for implants, gossip and self important mugging for the camera. (But why, oh why, are you not more attractive. I mean, Look at me! And you're in the business, for god's sake."

Geez, you know, every time I see Heather, I think, "Scapegoat"

[lunastartron]

Aside from her fabulism, the other recurring theme in Heather's narratives is that she has no agency. No one should be displeased that she consciously publicized details at the Beador marriage; that's all on Shannon and Tamra, but mostly Shannon. She was roped into selectively scolding Shannon at the hoedown and making her guest uncomfortable by Tamra; yet even though Tamra also instigated both the Christmas party "yelling" and the dinner party debacle by playing runtelldat, somehow Shannon is solely culpable in in those two instances. Because, conveniently enough, she's not Heather or Terry.

[MatildaMoody]

I agree with your post, except for one thing.  At the restaurant during chairgate, Heather accused Shannon of yelling from the restroom and wagging her finger the whole while she was walking back to the table.  We saw the original scene, and we have seen it in at least one flashback so we know that is not what happened.  That is not a matter of perception, that is a matter of exaggeration.  And, might I add, it happened long before these other issues cropped up between the two, which lends credit to the idea that Heather was never going to give Shannon a real chance.

 

I was not addressing the incident with the chair. I was addressing the Christmas party.

[jnymph]

Oh NannyPants! That Terry /Jim Nabors comparison has made my day !!!! Too funny!!!

[happykitteh]

 

And Terry puffs himself up, trying to look important an sage like, but he still just looks like a snotty version of Jim Nabors.

 HE DOES!!! He does look like Jim Nabors/ Gomer Pyle, hahahaha!! The nose, teeth and chin are totally Gomer, hahahaha! His nickname needs to be Gomer. Thank you for that Nannypants.

Edited July 18, 2014 by happykitteh

[Olive]

I was not addressing the incident with the chair. I was addressing the Christmas party.

Right, I get that you were.  But I think both situations speak to the perception issue and the overall problem between the two.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Olive

[FozzyBear]

Right, I get that you were. But I think both situations speak to the perception issue and the overall problem between the two.

I agree that both are women who are not used to having their version if events challenged and do not react well to it. I think they have both displayed at pattern of jumping at the first opportunity to be hurt/offended by the other.

[SnarkKitty]

My theory is that Shannon didn't expect it to go down the way she did...she's very needy and self-centered, and people with this personality trait are always waiting for you to have that aha moment to validate their point of view. But of course this wasn't going to happen with Heather, who never gives in and who is not easily manipulated. So I think Shannon was shocked that the talk/argument was cut short the way it was, and probably embarrassed, because I'm guessing that's never happened to her before.

 

I agree. And Shannon has repeatedly said "no one has ever thrown me out before!" in case you missed how traumatic it was for her.

 

David is hot. And a real gentleman, especially next to Terry. David seems like the only grownup in the room among the entire OC cast, women and men.

 

I guess it only takes one go at the DuBrows to erase the drunken "yeah, baby, ride it!" fratboy he was posing as during the previous hoedown episode. I'm sure when the DV charges come up, that gentleman will disappear again.

 

Shannon inserted herself in a conversation between Heather and Tamra and lambasted her for being condescending.

 

Yeah, lil' too fragile for this world Shannon did exactly that. MYOB when it doesn't concern you, you'll have far less reasons to complain about people being mean to you.

 

And again I must ask, even in her blog, where oh WHERE is the realization that this shit was all being filmed and you said it in front of a fucking camera person and producers, why did you think you had any level of privacy?? GTFOH! And the personal responsiblity that doesn't end in "but," i.e., "Yes, I know I should not have shared my private business I didn't want anyone else to know, but."   Uh, uh, uh, no buts! Personal responsibility! It goes like this "I can't blame Tamara or Heather, I should have kept my business to myself, period. It's my fault people were gossiping about it." 

 

Obviously, Heather doesn't know the difference between talking and yelling;

 

 

 

Much like Shannon doesn't know the difference between "we're done, please leave" and being thrown out of someone's house. Believe me, there's a difference.

 

I like Heather, but both she and Shannon are in the wrong to an extent and they need to let it go. I don't see Shannon "yelling" at Heather, but I get that her extremely tense and rigid body language and the look in her eyes sometimes makes it appear as those she is unhinged. I can see Heather feeling like she is being yelled at, but in reality she is not. At the same time, Heather didn't kick her out of her house. She asked her to leave and explained why she was asking her to leave. She didn't tell her she drinks too much, which Shannon claimed she said to her when they were going over the events out on the patio. Heather never said this. Tamra did, but Shannon has attributed this remark to Heather, which I think might play into her anger. She also said in her TH that she has started to wonder if the Dubrow's did talk about "taking them down" because they cannot stop talking about her marriage. To my knowledge, Heather has not spent a lot of time talking about Shannon's marriage, but that is the way it feels to Shannon.  All we know is that she repeated this one thing on one occasion, but Shannon has it in her head that Heather is fixated on it.

 

They both need to move on,

 

 

 

THIS. Finite. Like someone else said, I've never seen people so insulted by such slight insult. It's the crux of thier entire fucking beings at this point, jeesh.

 

Fozzy I made a cookie game out of each time you've referred to Mrs. Beador as "Sharon".  I'm down a pack and a half of snackwells, so I have to stop you now.   Shannon.  Lol.

 

 

^duuuude, you're killing me, I don't even have any milk!

 

 

OMG, you have to stop, there is just no credible way to explain to the husband why I'm laughing so hard at "work emails."  You win an Internet's Cutest Typo Chide Ever award, though. :)

[FozzyBear]

THIS. Finite. Like someone else said, I've never seen people so insulted by such slight insult. It's the crux of thier entire fucking beings at this point, jeesh.

The more I think about that dinner party the more I feel like quoting Caroline from Ladies of London "I simply cannot comprehend how two grown women are in absolute hysterics over breakfast...and champaign."

I feel ya Caroline. That's how I'm starting to feel. I cannot comprehend how two grown women are in hysterics over who might have yelled or gossiped. When a loyal Real Housewife viewer such as myself is looking at the two of you and wondering what on earth you are both so upset about, it is time to let it go. I mean I got involved in the "is Cat a bigot?" debate on DC and the Kelly V Bethanny cage match in NYC so it's not like I'm just above the petty squabbles, but this is a whole new level of not letting shit go.

[Grneyedldy]

<snip>

And again I must ask, even in her blog, where oh WHERE is the realization that this shit was all being filmed and you said it in front of a fucking camera person and producers, why did you think you had any level of privacy?? GTFOH! And the personal responsiblity that doesn't end in "but," i.e., "Yes, I know I should not have shared my private business I didn't want anyone else to know, but."   Uh, uh, uh, no buts! Personal responsibility! It goes like this "I can't blame Tamara or Heather, I should have kept my business to myself, period. It's my fault people were gossiping about it." 

 <snip>

I've seen it a few times that Shannon should not have expected any privacy regarding David's email. When Shannon first told Tamra about David sending her an email, it was NOT on camera. Shannon told Tamra during an unfilmed PRIVATE phone call.

Now of course she never should have told Tamra something so private. And yes, Shannon was telling anyone and everyone who would listen, she was having marital problems and David wasn't into her. I'm sure the mail person, grocery clerk and any and all service providers knew..........still that is very different than the hurt and humiliation she felt when she shared with Tamra, that David stated he wanted to move out, in an email no less.

If there is a "C word" of the year (decade/century) award, it should go to Tamra hands down.

[What In The]

Wouldn't it be bloody fabulous if all of these reality (or not so much reality) shows didnt exist? If grown women and their non yenta husbands (Terry D) just lived their real lives away from a film crew? Maybe it would be. But then where would the snark worthy material come from? Cant have it both ways unfortunately.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Kitty!!!  you're back!! it's good to see you.   //endpunctuation abuse.   

 

I find it totes giggleworthy that Mr. Kitty's not onto you by now.   Work emails indeed. 

 

I'd like to dedicate this award to my mother ::raisestrophy::  who said, and I quote: that smart ass mouth will get you nowhere.   Mom, I'm a star-uh.

[What In The]

Oh, and Heather, since your acting career isn't going as grand as you think it is, how about finding something else to do with your time? And Shannon? Lemons are good but they cannot fix what's ailing you.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Oh, and Heather, since your acting career isn't going as grand as you think it is, how about finding something else to do with your time? And Shannon? Lemons are good but they cannot fix what's ailing you.

 

Crap.  this isn't helping the impression that she's not a nutbag at all.  What does this mean, did she start seeing a citrus guru or something?   Guh? I wish i was this bored with my checkbook  #upperechelonproblems.

[beesknees]

 HE DOES!!! He does look like Jim Nabors/ Gomer Pyle, hahahaha!! The nose, teeth and chin are totally Gomer, hahahaha! His nickname needs to be Gomer. Thank you for that Nannypants.

 

And Jim Nabors / Gomer Pyle could sing.  Man. he could belt out a tune like nobody's business.  Terry's brother had a great voice.  I wonder if Terry has pipes like Gomer?  

Edited July 18, 2014 by Lisin

[Persnickety1]

Ha! My phone keeps autocorrecting to Sharon. I'll try to be more careful so as to not drive Shannon crazy in her head.

 

I think you're too late on that one, bwahahaha.

 

Poor Shannon.  I really think she is one of the few bless-her-heart women that honestly joined this franchise not having the slightest idea what she was in for.

 

I really think she went into this BELIEVING that the objective was to be real, be yourself, live your REAL life in front of the camera, and share your life with the world.

 

Clearly, the poor thing must have never watched previous seasons of this or any other housewives franchise.  Or any other Bravo reality program, for that matter.

 

I think she's mentally a bleeding lamb thrown into a pack of ravenous wolves and being ripped apart.  I think she really thought these women would be real-life friends that she would bond with over the experience of filming.

 

I don't think Shannon ever met anyone as cold, calculating, manipulative, thirsty, and fame-hungry as this crew in her life.  I think she took all of those get-togethers and getting-to-know-you lunches to heart.  I think she inexplicably and naively thought these were going to be true friends.

 

I can see where she would be going stark raving mad trying to figure out why they were all turning on her, lying about her, gossiping about her with non-Bravo individuals over lunch, having your words and actions twisted and spun to suit someone's personal Bravo agenda, pulling what Tamra did by denying she had said something she clearly did...Good christ, if it's making OUR heads spin as viewers, I can't even imagine being in the middle of this inferno from hell.  

 

It must be positively surreal to be experiencing this first-hand, like living in some alternative universe, which of course it IS an alternative universe, the Universe of Bravo where everyone has sold their soul to the wonky-eyed devil known as Andy Cohen who thrives on bringing out the bloodthirsty worst in every one of these women.

 

I feel sorry for Shannon.  I think she's on the Titanic and rearranging the deck lounges instead of grabbing a life preserver.  

 

And...I've been thinking.  Didn't Terry make some tongue-in-cheek comment at the beginning of the season, during the Ugly Sweater fuck-and-awe show where we met Lizzie as she fell off of her shoes and saw Danielle's husband for the first time?

 

Didn't he actually say in that episode, REFERRING TO THE SWEATER CONTEST, something about "taking the Beadors down" IN THE COMPETITION?

 

I can't find the episode to re-watch it online or on my on demand, but I keep thinking he said something jokingly that night in front of Tamra...And if I'm remembering correctly, boy did that stealth bitch turn that into a nasty to beat all nasties when she was spreading that comment around.

 

And this coming from someone (me) who actively dislikes the DuBrows, and am loathe to defend him.  

I can't agree with this. I definitely agree that Heather's "Wait....you're not here to apologize to ME?" stance took the conversation away from where Shannon thought it would go, but I don't think Shannon's needy personality would have been ok with a simple admission of Heather gossiping at lunch. Cuz she got that. But she needed MORE.

 

My personal view was the only thing "more" she wanted was for Heather to tell her that, yes, Tamra was the source of the gossip.  I think she wanted to confront Tamra about the lie but wanted to make damned sure she was right before doing so.  I don't think Shannon really wanted anything more than that during that little tete-a-tete with Heather.  (Just to clarify - I believe Shannon wanted to see if Tamra had been the direct source to Heather as opposed to, for example, Tamra telling Vicki who told Heather, the old "telephone" game).  

Edited July 18, 2014 by Persnickety1

[Lisin]

Didn't he actually say in that episode, REFERRING TO THE SWEATER CONTEST, something about "taking the Beadors down" IN THE COMPETITION?

 

OH.MY.GOD! I think you may be right! I know that he was joking about how awesomely terrible their sweaters were in the limo on the way to that party. He was being super "into" the competition. I feel like he said "You're going down!" to at least one couple at the party in reference to the ugly sweaters. What if that's it?! How funny would that be?!

[walnutqueen]

Great memory, Persnickety1!   I think you are on to something ...

[Grneyedldy]

I don't remember the Beadors being at the ugly sweater party.

[LotusFlower]

My personal view was the only thing "more" she wanted was for Heather to tell her that, yes, Tamra was the source of the gossip. I think she wanted to confront Tamra about the lie but wanted to make damned sure she was right before doing so. I don't think Shannon really wanted anything more than that during that little tete-a-tete with Heather.

But the tete-a-tete showed this not to be true. She got her answer about Tamra right away, but then had more to say/discuss.

But I'll add my cheer to the Terry sweater competition theory! You need to tweet this to Andy before the reunion!

[Persnickety1]

I don't remember the Beadors being at the ugly sweater party.

 

I don't think they showed up at the party.  I think this was in a limo conversation or shortly after their arrival, before they realized the Beadors weren't in actuality attending that night.  

[JAYJAY1979]

If I were in Shannon's Place, I'd probably crack under the pressure and do more then just break the 4th wall.

[Grneyedldy]

But the tete-a-tete showed this not to be true. She got her answer about Tamra right away, but then had more to say/discuss.

But I'll add my cheer to the Terry sweater competition theory! You need to tweet this to Andy before the reunion!

My recollection is Heather would not confirm Tamra was the source.

I don't think they showed up at the party.  I think this was in a limo conversation or shortly after their arrival, before they realized the Beadors weren't in actuality attending that night.

Ah you are right. I do recall something like that. Damn now I want to see that scene again. If Tamra took that statement so out of context and told The Beadors and Vicki that it was said with malice.......well they all ought to rain down on her head.

That C word is trying to escape my lips again, Tamra Sue Waddle.

[Persnickety1]

My recollection is Heather would not confirm Tamra was the source.

 

I don't, either.  I think Heather danced around answering it in an attempt to keep from throwing Tamra under the bus.

 

Heather learned early on its in one's best interests to keep the venomous snake at arm's length and not provoke it.  

[LotusFlower]

My recollection is Heather would not confirm Tamra was the source.

Shannon didn't go over to Heather's house to get confirmation that Tamra spilled the beans, she went over to tell Heather about the e-mail implicating her in gossip-gate and to ask her what she knew, what she said, and why? I forget exactly how she put it, but it must have been something along the lines of: how did you hear this and why would you repeat something private, because Heather asked -more than once - "You mean Tamra?" I don't think Heather meant to out Tamra, but that's how it came out because they weren't on the same page when the conversation started. Heather must have assumed that Tamra already told Shannon she told Heather, hence the "you mean Tamra?" question. Then it went on and on with the two of them at crosshairs, and I think you're right that Heather later did not want to out Tamra as leaking the info. when Shannon's questions got more pointed.

[Persnickety1]

Shannon didn't go over to Heather's house to get confirmation that Tamra spilled the beans, she went over to tell Heather about the e-mail implicating her in gossip-gate and to ask her what she knew, what she said, and why? I forget exactly how she put it, but it must have been something along the lines of: how did you hear this and why would you repeat something private, because Heather asked -more than once - "You mean Tamra?" I don't think Heather meant to out Tamra, but that's how it came out because they weren't on the same page when the conversation started. Heather must have assumed that Tamra already told Shannon she told Heather, hence the "you mean Tamra?" question. Then it went on and on with the two of them at crosshairs, and I think you're right that Heather later did not want to out Tamra as leaking the info. when Shannon's questions got more pointed.

 

Yeah, it as a very odd, awkward exchange on both sides, with both of them on the defensive.  I had thought, too, perhaps Shannon was trying to find out if Tamra had an "out" (i.e., she didn't tell Heather, as she had denied doing, but rather had told Vicki and Vicki told Heather, which would mean Tamra hadn't really lied per se when she denied doing so to Shannon).

 

Does that even make any sense?  This is all such a complicated situation to explain what with these women and their machinations/histrionics.  

 

I really wish Heather had just rolled that tawdry Tamra right under the speeding bus, though, using her head like a bowling bowl with shitty weaves.  

Edited July 18, 2014 by Persnickety1

[zoeysmom]

I think among other not-so-nice things Heather said, "I don't owe you anything."  And that was after two apologies.  It was my understanding that Tamra did not read the e-mail from David but she read the text from David where he wrote about Shannon talking of their marital problems.  Heather was also trying to determine which one of her "friends" forwarded the gist of the conversation to David.  That is why David said to Heather, "I don't believe you," when she went into her song and dance about shutting down the conversation.  He had received a first hand account of what Heather had said at lunch.

 

Of interest Tamra and Lizzie are both declaring their truth came out at the Reunion.  Vicki on the other hand decided to tweet pictures of the Reunion and then tweeted an oops as she was not suppose to have done that at this time. http://allthingsrh.com/ladies-film-rhoc-season-9-reunion/  Interesting Lizzie is not in the group shot.  Heather cut herself some hideous bangs.  Vicki is rather risqué in her low cut gown.  I always remember the first Reunion of OC-blue jeans and Sky tops.

[MatildaMoody]

 

I always remember the first Reunion of OC-blue jeans and Sky tops.

 

And them watching clips of themselves on television, and making excuses for the way their children treated them. That was really the best reunion ever. Because it was just the wives watching certain clips and giving their input. But, you could see them sizing each other up.

 

The first season reunion was pretty epic. Especially since Vicki is the last HoWife standing.

Edited July 19, 2014 by MatildaMoody

[Lola16]

 

Of interest Tamra and Lizzie are both declaring their truth came out at the Reunion.  Vicki on the other hand decided to tweet pictures of the Reunion and then tweeted an oops as she was not suppose to have done that at this time. http://allthingsrh.com/ladies-film-rhoc-season-9-reunion/  Interesting Lizzie is not in the group shot.  Heather cut herself some hideous bangs.  Vicki is rather risqué in her low cut gown.  I always remember the first Reunion of OC-blue jeans and Sky tops.

OMG.  Vicki please invest in a 360 mirror.  Why is Lizzie poking her breasts?