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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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5 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

This is a show where crimes are routinely hand-waved away.  I don't know where they're going with this right now, but I don't need to see her locked up.  

I do. I'm clearly not going to see it though but so far Spencer and Trina have taken the fall for her crimes. I want to see her locked up and offscreensville like Spencer was. Redeem her after she pays for her crimes that others have taken the fall for.

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32 minutes ago, slayer2 said:

She nudged them so she could crime. That's the point and that is the kind of malicious intent that has her locked up. Are y'all really making a case to free Esme? Mother sympathy is one thing but, c'mon.

They locked her up because they believed that she was The Hook and a flight risk.

She has been suspected of releasing the video of Cam and Joss having sex from the testimony from Oz who said he sold her the burner phones. He also said that he was last in the company of Esme when he was drugged and went into a coma. He had a plea deal if he would testify against Esme at her trial.

Heather killed him before any trial so Jordan and the PCPD will need other evidence if they want to prove that Esme tried to kill Oz. The porn charges may be the only crime that they prove but she should be able to get issued bail. If she cannot afford bail, then that is a different story but she has been chained to a hospital bed or locked up since she was discovered by the PCPD.  
 

So no one is giving her a free get out of jail card. As is her right as Ace’s mom, she is requesting for her child to be housed with her so that she can bond and take care of him. That isn’t something that GH writers came up with. That is something that has been made available in New York for female prisoners.

And yes Esme planned and took delight in exposing Joss and Cam and framing Trina. Since she he woke up with amnesia she has been horrified by what she has been accused of committing and all the actions by her biological parents. She has no one in her corner. I don’t see anyone insisting that she should have Ace in her life (e.g. Nina with Willow and her children).

Esme has a chance to change. She has not killed anyone. She wants to take care of her son and  isn’t demanding anyone to help her including financially.

Finally, back in the day Brenda distributed naked pictures of Karen showering to their whole high school out of spite, but she was given the opportunity to grow as a character so I don’t have a problem with Esme given a chance.

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Esme isn't comparable to Brenda, Brenda experiences happiness and empathy and she doesn't need established characters to prop her up to rebuild her story. Laura, Liz, Spencer, Trina and today even Portia are being sacrificed to prop a character that isn't needed. If she's such a great character then remove Trina and Spencer from the plot and let her stand on her own. 

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tessaray

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Soaps routinely introduce new characters who do heinous things that they then need to whitewash when they decide to keep them. (It’s a pet peeve of mine.) Esme is just one in a long line. 

I do think that blank slate Esme has some moral center - she's trying to piece together everything that's happened and has had appropriate reactions. It isn't a stretch for me to believe if she hadn't been warped by Ryan she wouldn't have committed the crimes she is guilty of. A decent lawyer should be able to make a case for her anyway. That said, I wouldn't have a problem with them making her do a little time.

If they should decide to show Esme as faking, I'll be seriously annoyed. 

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44 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

This is a show where crimes are routinely hand-waved away.  I don't know where they're going with this right now, but I don't need to see her locked up.  

They don't know either. Somewhere down the line she'll be exonerated of her crimes because she can't remember what she did, therefore cannot be held responsible. And her ass is getting redemption through her love for giant Gerber baby. She's now Mother Earth. I'm guessing she'll remember eventually and won't say anything.

I don't think they were planning on keeping Esme long term until they realized that the actress was good. So instead of pulling back on things and doing rewrites which they do all the time, they sacrificed Nikolas to redeem her. 

MC's version of Nikolas was written as being especially stupid. Dude was hopeless, but I genuinely don't care about watching Esme go on like no biggie these days. She's Franco's half-sister, Heather and Ryan's spawn. Psycho runs as thick as blood on that side of the tree.

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23 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Finally, back in the day Brenda distributed naked pictures of Karen showering to their whole high school out of spite, but she was given the opportunity to grow as a character so I don’t have a problem with Esme given a chance.

While the situations are similar, the era that happened makes them vastly different. Things like that were not looked at as a crime back then but are treated differently now. Brenda was seen as a typical high school mean girl so no redemption cycle was necessary.
 

Also, Esme did way more than the sex tape. Drugging Trina and framing her for the crime that could have led to a jail sentence and getting kicked out of school was way more calculating and dangerous. Can they redeem her, sure, but the way they’re attempting it is a fail so far. She needs to make amends and face accountability from the people she hurt. They can use Ryan as an influence for her behavior but she still needs to make an effort to change. Giving her amnesia so no one can address her is a whitewash, not a redemption.  

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slayer2

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5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

They don't know either. Somewhere down the line she'll be exonerated of her crimes because she can't remember what she did, therefore cannot be held responsible. And her ass is getting redemption through her love for giant Gerber baby. She's now Mother Earth. I'm guessing she'll remember eventually and won't say anything.

I don't think they were planning on keeping Esme long term until they realized that the actress was good. So instead of pulling back on things and doing rewrites which they do all the time, they sacrificed Nikolas to redeem her. 

MC's version of Nikolas was written as being especially stupid. Dude was hopeless, but I genuinely don't care about watching Esme go on like no biggie these days. She's Franco's half-sister, Heather and Ryan's spawn. Psycho runs as thick as blood on that side of the tree.

Exactly! Esme lost her memory and had a baby and now she's Mother Teresa not unlike Willow. Redemption through the cookie portal and somehow suddenly  Spencer, her mark and the guy she manipulated and emotionally damaged is the villain and she's the bewildered victim standing in judgement of him. Spare me.

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33 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

While the situations are similar, the era that happened makes them vastly different. Things like that were not looked at as a crime back then but are treated differently now. Brenda was seen as a typical high school mean girl so no redemption cycle was necessary.
 

Also, Esme did way more than the sex tape. Drugging Trina and framing her for the crime that could have led to a jail sentence and getting kicked out of school was way more calculating and dangerous. Can they redeem her, sure, but the way they’re attempting it is a fail so far. She needs to make amends and face accountability from the people she hurt. They can use Ryan as an influence for her behavior but she still needs to make an effort to change. Giving her amnesia so no one can address her is a whitewash, not a redemption.  

I am hopeful (But it is the show so who knows). that it's once she gets her memory back she can just take what she is deserved and we move on. (I am bummed though that Cam is leaving because that does end the whole Esme & Cam relationship I've wanted for like ages, ah well). 

i will say that I did like today when Esme was all. "Well you are Spencer's grandmother so you're obvy taking his side." Laura quietly said. "I'm also Ace's grandmother and I'm taking his." 

if the choice was (going w/all 3 soapy choices). 
1: Having her be a pop in pop off Jan Spears I"m going to wreck havoc today"
2: Amnesia storyline (as it is right now) while we "redeem you"
3: Twins. 

i am fine with the 2nd, as long as they do have her face the consequences of her actions, if not in jail. just setting up a lot next generation arch-nemesis with Esme vs. Joss/Trina whatever.  and I do believe. if they do  (and they have Kevin in the catbird seat for it and let out of the Good Writer), therapy/crack the psycho Esme shell that the relatively Grey Esme can emerge and be the foil that imo Joss needs - while still pay for her actions

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lala2

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2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Yes it would be different - because Carly is a narcissist  without a conscience, and has raised her children to be just as entitled and self-centered as she is.  She was proud of being attached to "strong" men like Jason and Sonny who had the "power" to hurt or kill people/make them disappear forever.  That is in direct contrast to Elizabeth, who was never, ever comfortable with or capable of acknowledging that Jason could and would kill people for Sonny.

Elizabeth told Scott before she turned herself in, that to be a good mother and role model for her  boys she couldn't go on like this. She had to come forward, and not be a coward. She's a nurse and has been pregnant herself in the past, so she knew that keeping a pregnant woman prisoner - especially once they knew Esme was not the Hook killer - was wrong. Cameron also has much more character as a young person than Josslyn ever had. That's why he's upset to find out that the mother he loves, who is his primary female role mode he's looked up all his life, would be involved in a serious crime.  He and his mother both have self-awareness about right and wrong, juxtaposed with Carly and Joss and the rest of their family who find ways to justify whatever they have done regardless of who has been harmed and how severely.

That's one of the reasons I really liked their scenes in contrast to any scenes Carly has with her children. Elizabeth has basic goodness inside her, which is why she often struggles with guilt when she's done wrong.  Goodness and real feelings of guilt are totally alien concepts to Carly. The only time she seemed to feel genuine guilt was when Morgan died, and then she basically shrugged it off with a "thank God" upon finding out the bomb that killed him was from a Jerome because she felt that somehow absolved Sonny, and herself, or responsibility for his death. 

The show can miss me with all this hoopla over their precious Esme. Liz sure didn’t have any crisis of conscience a year or so ago when she was hiding bodies in freezers. But the show cares about Esme (and is intent on whitewashing her in the laziest way possible) so now Liz is all tied up in knots! Ok. 🙄

I guess if I cared about Esme, this plot would work for me but I do not. I do not care about this character or her mutant baby in the slightest. I just see more characters tossed under the bus to prop her, and I’m over it. 

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I haven't seen anything from Will Lipton's twitter that he's left the show so I assume the character is getting the Robin treatment where the character goes away to college and comes home for breaks and the summer. Hey, maybe he can bring home old friend Emma who is not related to the Cassadines or the Corthii. 

If the character is being recast, I hope they're smart enough to choose someone who can pull off Cam's inherent kindness. Strange as it seems given he's not her biological grandson, but Cam seems the most like Laura out of all her grandchildren. 

I will forgive the show a lot if the giant babies are part of Victor's plan that has gone awry. 

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Jenxee

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Oh you guys are on fire tonight…giant Gerber Baby, Massive Baby, even Mutant baby had me dyin!!  But he’s cute as the Dickens especially when gnoshing on his chew toy.  So cute!!

Add me to the ones who wish WL much success but will miss the friendship and chemistry he had with Spencer.

I really like the character of Esme, but I’m only interested in her if she remains a sociopath.  I really think her memory came back as soon as the name Ace slipped out her mouth.  I hope I’m not wrong.  She can still wreck havoc before ultimately having to pay in jail.  I love a good villain and she’s good because she knows how to fake being nice.  Give her the Ryan treatment, have her be the big bad for a while, then presumed dead only to pop up from time to time!

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Someone unthread asked if anyone here likes Willow.  
I used to like her and only recently like Monday did I say “enough is enough”.  
When she first started I thought she was so pretty and plucky to boot.  I was a Chase and Willow shipper but the Spector who is Mykill always seemed to lurk in the shadows.  From the time they first went to the support meeting for people who experience loss, I had a sinking feeling they brought her on for Mykill.

Now as one of the Carly’s she’s utterly insufferable.  The way she sat in that wheelchair glaring at Nina ugh it was too much.  Deep down I’d still like to seen them forge a true relationship, but only for Nina’s sake and only if it’s genuine, not one sided.

 

 

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One last post for now, there are two other characters I seem to be alone in liking:  Marshall and Mykill, yes Mykill!

I think the actor that plays Marshall is solid.  He created chem with his fellow actors and can show genuine emotion.  I thought they brought him on to be a mobster who could give Sonny a run for his money but that didn’t pan out so now he’s just a supporting character without anything to do.

I like CD (Mykill) as an asshole.  It’s a step up from Eyore.  Now if they’d only give him an Achilles heel and at the same time break him out of the Carly’s.  In my opinion CD is more interesting now.  Instead of my eyes glazing over when he’s on screen I now actively hate him.

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Mirabelle

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Maybe the giant babies are an unexpected side effect of a brand new weather machine housed in General Hospital and Victor's minions are running around panicked about what this means for the PLAN. Maybe one of his scientists is wondering if the giant babies are a sign of a new age of megafauna. 

"These newborn babies are three times the size of what is normal!!!"

Did Trina borrow an outfit from Violet? I can see her wearing one piece at a given time but the jacket plus the giant bow and the fluffy skirt seemed very twee for her. 

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statsgirl

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25 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Did Trina borrow an outfit from Violet?

It would explain how short that skirt was on her. (That said, she does have the legs to pull it off.)

We know that Esme has done all those things, the porn tape, setting fire to Ava's car, drugging Oz. But she hasn't been convicted of anything. Unless she is a flight risk, is there any reason that she shouldn't be out on bail? She doesn't have any money but there might be some Cassadine trust fund Ace's mother could access.

slayer2

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16 hours ago, ffwbe said:

Giving her amnesia so no one can address her is a whitewash, not a redemption.

 

This! And your whole post in fact is pitch perfect and exactly my problem with this terrible arc. The burden is now placed on the people she hurt to forgive her and change to accept this "new" version of her yet when someone commits transgressions against someone else  the burden should be placed on the transgressor not the victim (s).

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14 hours ago, nilyank said:

They locked her up because they believed that she was The Hook and a flight risk.

She has been suspected of releasing the video of Cam and Joss having sex from the testimony from Oz who said he sold her the burner phones. He also said that he was last in the company of Esme when he was drugged and went into a coma. He had a plea deal if he would testify against Esme at her trial.

Heather killed him before any trial so Jordan and the PCPD will need other evidence if they want to prove that Esme tried to kill Oz. The porn charges may be the only crime that they prove but she should be able to get issued bail. If she cannot afford bail, then that is a different story but she has been chained to a hospital bed or locked up since she was discovered by the PCPD.  
 

So no one is giving her a free get out of jail card. As is her right as Ace’s mom, she is requesting for her child to be housed with her so that she can bond and take care of him. That isn’t something that GH writers came up with. That is something that has been made available in New York for female prisoners.

And yes Esme planned and took delight in exposing Joss and Cam and framing Trina. Since she he woke up with amnesia she has been horrified by what she has been accused of committing and all the actions by her biological parents. She has no one in her corner. I don’t see anyone insisting that she should have Ace in her life (e.g. Nina with Willow and her children).

Esme has a chance to change. She has not killed anyone. She wants to take care of her son and  isn’t demanding anyone to help her including financially.

Finally, back in the day Brenda distributed naked pictures of Karen showering to their whole high school out of spite, but she was given the opportunity to grow as a character so I don’t have a problem with Esme given a chance.

The writing was probably a lot better then.  And the redemption played out over enough time to make it believable. 

14 hours ago, tessaray said:

Soaps routinely introduce new characters who do heinous things that they then need to whitewash when they decide to keep them. (It’s a pet peeve of mine.) Esme is just one in a long line. 

I do think that blank slate Esme has some moral center - she's trying to piece together everything that's happened and has had appropriate reactions. It isn't a stretch for me to believe if she hadn't been warped by Ryan she wouldn't have committed the crimes she is guilty of. A decent lawyer should be able to make a case for her anyway. That said, I wouldn't have a problem with them making her do a little time.

If they should decide to show Esme as faking, I'll be seriously annoyed. 

Once they did Franco, I think they thought they can do anything. 

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55 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Personally, I don't need Esme to be a total psychopath like Ryan and Heather - I think that's cheap - but on the other hand, I don't want Esme redeemed or softened too much. A soap needs troublemakers and chaos agents.

I can’t comment on how Heather was waaay back during the Steven Lars story, I was too young to understand it.  But the Heather in recent years is batshit crazy!  Fun, but that’s not what I want for Esme.

I do remember when Ryan first came on.  It took a while before they revealed what a psycho he was and that’s what I like because it’s often how true sociopaths operate.  A lot of them learn how to mask that side of them and most people never know how evil they really are.  So doing a “reset” on Esme to allow for people to begin to relax around her and even trust her is only interesting to me if it’s revealed later on that’s she IS a sociopath.

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18 minutes ago, Jenxee said:

I can’t comment on how Heather was waaay back during the Steven Lars story, I was too young to understand it.  But the Heather in recent years is batshit crazy!  Fun, but that’s not what I want for Esme.

I do remember when Ryan first came on.  It took a while before they revealed what a psycho he was and that’s what I like because it’s often how true sociopaths operate.  A lot of them learn how to mask that side of them and most people never know how evil they really are.  So doing a “reset” on Esme to allow for people to begin to relax around her and even trust her is only interesting to me if it’s revealed later on that’s she IS a sociopath.

Yeah, I do think this is a great opportunity for that kind of creepy story.  And they've got a talented actress there, she can pull it off.  I hope they do it. 

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“My baby brother isn’t a playing card.”  Ha!  I tend to agree but still…not Spencer’s place to name his brother.

Molly, Sam, and Gregory all feeling ill….would they go there with a pandemic style storyline or is it too soon?  In the past soaps have always confronted social issues but nowadays GH is so anti-controversy I can’t see it.  Is the rest of daytime like this too?

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tessaray

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19 hours ago, slayer2 said:

Esme isn't comparable to Brenda, Brenda experiences happiness and empathy and she doesn't need established characters to prop her up to rebuild her story. Laura, Liz, Spencer, Trina and today even Portia are being sacrificed to prop a character that isn't needed. If she's such a great character then remove Trina and Spencer from the plot and let her stand on her own. 

It's been several lifetimes ago but Brenda did need established characters to prop her introduction, especially the Qs. At least until she grew from a selfish, high school mean girl to an interesting character on her own. 

I agree that Trina and Spencer should be as far away from Esme as possible now. Esme would be fine just as Ryan's daughter and Kevin's niece. I think we need more JL in this story though. He has very little family left and it could be a good story to see them develop a bond. 

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slayer2

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1 minute ago, tessaray said:

It's been several lifetimes ago but Brenda did need established characters to prop her introduction, especially the Qs. At least until she grew from a selfish, high school mean girl to an interesting character on her own. 

I agree that Trina and Spencer should be as far away from Esme as possible now. Esme would be fine just as Ryan's daughter and Kevin's niece. I think we need more JL in this story though. He has very little family left and it could be a good story to see them develop a bond. 

I guess I'm biased because I started watching the show (many Moons ago) because of Brenda. I always found her to be plucky especially with the Julia backstory, absent mother and father who didn't care about her. VM did a great job making me root for her when she was doing unrootable things. I think the Qs was more Chem testing when ASjr left the show and then they landed on Sonny.

It is odd and stupid that they haven't bothered to include JL in this storyline. He's Laura's hubby and the baby's uncle. It makes zero sense. Lazy, hackneyed writing I guess?

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Skarzero

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Characters like Esme don't usually don't bother me until they start disrupting the flow(what little Soaps can achieve today) of the narrative. GH has executed the bad girl shit-stirrer trope pretty well many times before. Yet somehow, Esme simultaneously feels like a hit and a miss.

A hit, cos she does provide good foil for her generation of protagonists, and without a great foil, they would be woefully boring. She's definitely a hit for anyone who hates Joss(a category I fall into on occasion). A miss cos too many variables are needed to make her redemption(or her just skating by) realistic.

She needs a baby, she needs Nik to be a colossal scumbag, she needs Laura to sympathize with her, she needs Liz to feel bad enough to come clean & level with her, she needs to have been manipulated Ryan, she needs Trina/Joss away doing other pointless crap so that neither is available to give her the dragging(Trina has earned this more than Joss actually) she deserves, woe as me amnesia be damned. Oh! And she needs to have amnesia! Like...if Esme is all that as character, why does she need the story to bend like this to prove it to us? Redemption or not. The writers are indulging her too much it's doing her more harm than good. And I like to think I'm fairly neutral on Esme. I can truly see the appeal in her getting redemption, or comeuppance. With that said, the more the show leans into super lazy redemption arc the more I'm inclined to lean towards comeuppance. 

Idk but giving Esme the bare minimum at a time like this would show what she's really made of imo. At least from here on out. Can she really change or not? Is she truly a product of Ryan's mind fuck or not? It's like the writers are scared to ask & answer these questions definitively.

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tessaray

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I feel like the amnesia is a stall tactic, while the writers try to figure out what to do with the character. Plus the bts stuff with Nikolas hasn't helped.

It will be a mistake if they do end up cheating Spencer, Trina, Cam and Joss (and us) out of their rights to confront Esme. But it has to be an Esme who remembers what she did. (She needs to start getting her memory back sooner rather than later.)

I like Esme but agree with those who don't that this is not the way to move forward. 

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Bringonthedrama

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18 hours ago, lala2 said:

The show can miss me with all this hoopla over their precious Esme. Liz sure didn’t have any crisis of conscience a year or so ago when she was hiding bodies in freezers. But the show cares about Esme (and is intent on whitewashing her in the laziest way possible) so now Liz is all tied up in knots! Ok. 🙄

When Liz helped Finn hide Peter/Heinrich in the freezer, he wasn't pregnant, and Chase would soon die of a toxin from Peter if Finn wasn't available to save him (with help from Elizabeth). Also Peter did in fact kill Elizabeth's husband, although I can't recall if she knew that for sure at the time they stuck Peter in the freezer.

As for today, I get that Bobbie talking to Felicia and Maxie about Jessie Brewer and Maxie asking how long she's worked at GH was to acknowledge International Women's Day, introduce the show's anniversary, and make Maxie decide to make the "biggest, best" NB ever her project - but it really came out of nowhere and I don't buy that Maxie wouldn't already know how long Bobbie has been a nurse at GH.  Also, Bobbie and Monica's mutual grandson just had a baby and his fiance has been in the hospital critically ill, yet these two GH employees haven't been seen in....how long? I can't even remember. Felicia, Lucy isn't/was not the "heart and soul" of the NB. That's a lie and not a way to calm down Lucy's freak out.

Not even a mention of either Monica or Maxie's cousin Robin during any of the NB dialogue, either. Whatever,  Show.

Hasn't Sasha suffered enough? Why does she have to seek out/chat up/be chem tested with Cody?

And seriously, Curtis's big thought during his conversation with Trina was "does she have my mother's eyes?" Now whining to Nina.  UGH...

The Trina-Ava conversation was quite lovely, the one great thing to watch.

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Hasn't Sasha suffered enough? Why does she have to seek out/chat up/be chem tested with Cody?

Because Sofia is pregnant so if they're writing it in, they have to get her involved with someone asap, sleep with and get pregnant by.  And who doesn't want another pregnancy, especially if it involves the dirty vagabond hobo.  

Having said that I'm really hoping they're not writing in the pregnancy and they only had them together today for her to find out that Gladys sold the garage under her.  

Today was the day of dropped storylines, from Gladys paying off her gambling debts by selling the garage to Selena.  Plus the potion that HOlly gave Selena to put in Victor's drink which we now know causes Little Victor to not perform.  Thanks to Eileen for that bit of info!!

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YaddaYadda

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2 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Because Sofia is pregnant so if they're writing it in, they have to get her involved with someone asap, sleep with and get pregnant by.  And who doesn't want another pregnancy, especially if it involves the dirty vagabond hobo.  

Out of all the women who have been pregnant lately, Sasha is literally the only one I'm okay with having a baby. This character has been dragged one way and down the other with no end in sight.

But not with that loser.

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6 hours ago, Jenxee said:

I can’t comment on how Heather was waaay back during the Steven Lars story, I was too young to understand it.  But the Heather in recent years is batshit crazy!  Fun, but that’s not what I want for Esme.

Back in the day (like the 80s), Heather wasn't a psycho, just your typical soap bad girl troublemaker. Was it Joe Kelly and Annie the Virgin she was always coming between? Good times.

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perkie1968

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6 minutes ago, Daisy said:

slept very long today, what happened on GH anything worth watching today?

Curtis/Nina (re Trina)

Sasha/Cody (possibly chem test.  he mentions losing the garage which confuses her)

Gladys/Selena (gave her deed to garage), Selena/Sonny,(stopped her shipment from coming in) Sonny/Gladys (why are you hanging out with Selena)

Ava/Trina (paternity issue/always lovely between them)

Bobbie/Felicia/Maxie (discussing Nurse's Ball)

VAnna/Lucy (she's going stir crazy and driving them insane)

Eileen/Victor (he can't perform in bed),  Eileen/Laura (have to use something else other than seduction)

Selena/Victor (she gave him HOlly's drugs which is why he can't perform in bed)

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Blackie

Blackie

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I thought it was kind of funny that Lucy  found out that Maxie is going to put on the nurse's ball and Bobbie is the co chair. But I missed the start, where do Bobbie and Maxie think Lucy is? Did Felicia let them in on it? If not it is kind of tacky throwing a party with Lucy presumed dead and (the hospital still grieving Britt or what ever Maxie said). Also Maxie needs a llama...  (eta)...apparently

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spelling and spacing, ETA
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Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe

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3 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Selena/Victor (she gave him HOlly's drugs which is why he can't perform in bed)

More horrible GH pacing. Didn't Mrs. Woo slip that in Victor's drink like two months ago??? The writers probably forgot.

Poor Mistuh Sheffield. Maybe if Eileen wore shorter skirts and spoke with a high-pitched, nasal Queens accent? Stranger things have been known to happen....

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TVbitch

TVbitch

Putting the Sasha character through drug addiction, near fatal heart attack, losing her baby, being placed in a conservatorship, having her husband murdered, and having her mother-in-law betray her is one thing. Pairing her with Cody is just gratuitous sadism. 

No offense, but Eileen really needs to take honey pot classes from Carrie Mathison from Homeland. 

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statsgirl

statsgirl

It felt like today was the 'B' team's turn. Yes, we get it, Lucy is driving Valentin crazy. Bobbie is pulled out of the closet to team with barely-there Maxie to set up the 60th anniversary celebration (although I did like the Jessie mention, I remember my great aunt watching the show back then), Isn't Jessie Liz's great-aunt?

I've been down on the Sasha actress before but that was just terrible to force her to chem test with Cody.

6 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

And seriously, Curtis's big thought during his conversation with Trina was "does she have my mother's eyes?" Now whining to Nina.  UGH...

The narcissism is strong with this one. Not "Trina is such a smart, brave girl, I would be proud if she turns out to be my daughter". But "Does she have my mother's eyes?"

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