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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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16 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

I'm not understanding why they bothered recasting Brennan when they could have just had Valentin kill him and then bring in the recast actor as like the new head of the WSB Port Charles outpost or something.

Because, with a new character, they'd have to spend some actual time building up his unfathomable unbelievable absurd eye rolling mind blowingly idiotic  attraction to Carly and her hoo-hah.

 

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 minute ago, KerleyQ said:

Carly. 

I'm not defending Drew, but he knows that Carly will forever be obsessed with Jason. And he knows that, if he wants to hurt her, that's how you do it. 

Exactly. You saw how her face fell from the smug to the 'wait, whut?' and shut her up when Drew threw Jason's name as the spawn's sperm donor.

Because the one thing she has always wanted, but never managed to do, was birth Jason's spawn.

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tessaray

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3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I've been spared that one, but Keanu Reeves's English accent in the Coppola Dracula movie is probably always going to be my yardstick for "How was this allowed to happen?" There's imperfect and then there's MAKE IT STOP.  

Worse than Kevin Costner in Robin Hood? Wow.

It was one of those filler days again, what with the mopping up at the MC.  Though I must have missed why Carly went straight to the hospital and Lucas after her big scene. She really has no one to talk to, does she?

Lucky, Elizabeth helped stash a not-so-dead corpse for her last guy. You still have a lot to catch up on.

Joss actually came up with a credible story when caught at Cyrus's place. Of course she should become a spy. 🙂

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

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Damn you Ric, for interrupting a (becoming) romantic LnL2 moment! RH did a good job with the "I'm jealous but I know I'm not allowed to be" scene and Ric was mature in the way he walked away letting her know he would still do things for her.

Cody's attitude and pressing Sasha to confirm he's right about Jason being the father makes him look like a petulant teenager wearing a sign that says, "I think Jason stole my girl and got her pregnant."

Immature teenager applies to Willow too, with her "you can't get me to break up with Drew - I'm moving back in with my mom!" attitude. You'd think she and Michael had agreed to end their marriage and then she started dating one of Michael's relatives or friends who has a good relationship with her kids.

UGHH Lucy is more gossip-happy than a teenager! Is Anna drinking because she's actually hurt at the idea of Jason kissing/having sex with Sasha?! NuLulu, you did so well with Dante and then ruined it by getting in Anna's face about Brennan.

The Davis Women finally remembered they have a grieving nephew. I was thinking yesterday, way to honor your late sister's memory by not having any contact with your niece and nephew since her funeral and it's now February. Looks like Grandma will give him the news.

The Show remembered Tracy has another son! Nice Tracy-Sasha scene after Drew and Cody have been such assholes. 

Umm nuLucas, you never had the "partner you can trust" conversation with Carly before she got with Sonny was because you were a child and dear sis had recently blown up your parents' marriage.

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Joss' story may have been credible but now that Cyrus has found that his not-foxglove plant has been moved (does Cyrus have a degree in chemistry that he makes his own digitalis?), he's going to head out and ask everyone who was in his room and then hear that it was the young woman with long blonde hair.  Next time Joss, wear a disguise, even Lucy knows that. Although we may get lucky and Cyrus kills her.

Maxie, Drew may sound like a good dad but it is very sketchy that he wants a house with five bedrooms. And why are you sticking your nose into Emma's business when she told you to keep out, but keeping out of Drew's when he said you could tell him? Pick a lane.

Anna, Lulu just had a transplant. Maybe you heard. She shouldn't be drinking any alcohol at all.

With Sam gone and Olivia barely there, Carly really  has no one to gossip with.

Alexis should have told Kristina "Just because you go off half-cocked and blow things up doesn't mean that Danny will" Although it would have been better to tell her "You know what it's like to do impulsive things and then regret it; think about how you can stop Danny from doing it now."

17 hours ago, tessaray said:

I can't believe I was half shipping him with Nina and now... everything about him is gross.

To be fair, Drew with Nina was hate sex of equals and kinda hot.

6 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I mean, we all know what's going to happen: Jason is going to return from Germany and say Michael confirmed what Sasha said and to 'watch out for her and the baby' so he's going to play the role he was born to play: fake baby daddy. It's the role he's shined in since 1997.  

Including with his own son Jake. At least now he's stepping up for Danny. Sort of. Well, almost as much as Dante is.

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dubbel zout

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LOL that Drew trots out "there is an obvious power imbalance" when talking about Jason getting Sasha pregnant. As @Bringonthedrama mentioned upthread, because Sasha was friends with the Qs before being their cook, she was never going to be treated like a regular employee, and that goes the other way as well. Besides, Drew knows Jason is the last person to take advantage of anyone who works at the Q mansion. Good grief, he's such a dunce, as well as having no game whatsoever when it comes to trying to diss someone.

It was very gratifying that Sasha was there when Drew was trying to respond to Carly. Good for Sasha for reading him the riot act. He deserved a lot more, but what he got was pretty good.

13 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The Davis Women finally remembered they have a grieving nephew.

And Alexis is 100 percent right that Danny needs to hear Sam was murdered from them, not online or from friends or whatever.

15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Alexis should have told Kristina "Just because you go off half-cocked and blow things up doesn't mean that Danny will" Although it would have been better to tell her "You know what it's like to do impulsive things and then regret it; think about how you can stop Danny from doing it now."

I don't understand why Kristina thinks they won't be able to deal with however Danny reacts. Isn't it better they're with him when he hears the news and can act accordingly? Ugh, Kristina is an idiot.

12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Anna, Lulu just had a transplant. Maybe you heard. She shouldn't be drinking any alcohol at all.

Anna would have paid for a seltzer if that's what Lulu wanted. There were no strings on the offer to buy her a drink. Yes, it was thoughtless, but Lulu is responsible for her liver, not Anna.

Wouldn't the conditions of Cyrus's parole be public knowledge? I know Lucky wants Ric to go away, but he could go down to the courthouse and look it up. Also, I hated how he told Elizabeth he'd take care of things from now on: "No need to worry your pretty head, little lady."

Here's a radical idea, Drew: How about you ask Scout what she wants in the house to make her feel comfortable?

"Every woman has a right to live her life on her own terms." Does that apply to Willow, Tracy?

Lulu needs to learn that haranguing someone who might be able to help her isn't the best way to approach things.

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YaddaYadda

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4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't understand what Sasha being the cook has to do with her being pregnant. Michael didn't sleep with her out of some gross droit de seigneur impulse, he slept with her out of some gross "my fee-fees are hurt and I'm going to act out as inappropriately as possible, and there's my friend Sasha, also feeling depressed and needing to act out as inappropriately as possible" impulse.

Because Drew was about to bring up the power imbalance between Jason and Sasha like Jason imposed his will on her or some nonsense. 

Meanwhile, Willow, like the idiot she is, said like three times today that Drew saved her life. So I guess she's sleeping with him out of gratitude. 

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TVbitch

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So pretty much the entire town, including Anna (and Brad!), thinks Cyrus is a serial killer, but the PCPD aren't even surveilling him? Just because you don't have enough evidence to arrest him, doesn't mean you can't investigate him, Anna! I guess with Dex dead and Dante on leave, they are down to just Chase. God forbid Anna do any actual police work. She just seems to drift about town having chats with people about how she doesn't know anything.

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dubbel zout

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7 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Because Drew was about to bring up the power imbalance between Jason and Sasha like Jason imposed his will on her or some nonsense.

Yes, but the power imbalance line happened today, after I wrote my original objection. And it still doesn't make sense, which Drew probably knows but still thinks he's making some awesome zinger. 

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53 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I hated how he told Elizabeth he'd take care of things from now on: "No need to worry your pretty head, little lady."

 Dunno, I didn’t see it that way. The context was that lucky will frame Cyrus if necessary, to break his parole, and Elizabeth looked uneasy about it. So he was giving her an out, saying no need for her to be involved. 

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This week’s episodes have been kind of fun. So many characters interacting and weaving in and out of other people’s scenes. It feels like they all live in the same community (except for Lucky and Liz.)

Also, I know Carly and Lucas have never been close, but LW has fun sibling chemistry with nuLucas.

Lucy wins today’s episode with her snarking about the number of people living at the Quartermaine mansion. 

Tracy’s a hypocrite in her treatment of Sasha and Willow, but it’s consistent with Tracy’s character to pick and choose her empathy. Besides, she couldn’t care less about Willow, she just hates Drew. 

There’s a lot of chem testing going on. A lot of musical couples on the horizon. Are the testing Maxie with Drew?

tessabq

tessabq

3 hours ago, tessaray said:

Worse than Kevin Costner in Robin Hood? Wow.

Not only was it dreadful, but he used it in some scenes and not in others. His reasoning was that he was tired during production. Any little bit of respect I had for him as an actor died in that moment. 

One of the many things I love about soap actors is the genuine appreciation they have for their audience.

26 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Are the testing Maxie with Drew?

If she chose to, Maxie could chew Drew up and spit him out.

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Bringonthedrama

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2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Maxie, Drew may sound like a good dad but it is very sketchy that he wants a house with five bedrooms. And why are you sticking your nose into Emma's business when she told you to keep out, but keeping out of Drew's when he said you could tell him? Pick a lane.

It's not Maxie's concern if or when Willow decides she and the kids want to move in with Drew and Scout. Emma, however, is Maxie's cousin's daughter and is a college student who has gotten into some trouble. She's living with her grandmother who is Maxie's godmother, not paying her own bills as an independent adult. Maxie has plenty of experience being a young person making choices which come with potentially serious consequences, so her poking at Emma makes complete sense to me.

Also, Maxie can see now that Drew is very vindictive, so despite what he says to her face if he didn't like what she said his future words or behavior could further hurt Sasha, could hurt Cody and his relationship with Mac, etc. Maxie loves her family very much and is right not to trust Drew.

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

"Every woman has a right to live her life on her own terms." Does that apply to Willow, Tracy?

Except that Willow has almost entirely been living her life on Drew's terms, not her own. And Tracy sees that. Tracy's recent behavior was wrong, but it's understandable she is opposed to Drew making decisions about where Michael's children will go either for the day or long-term, and Willow embracing whatever he asks/persuades/manipulates her to do. 

It is good for the children to be in their own home. Willow even said it's good for the kids - they have their routines, sleep in their own rooms. But the moment Drew says, "you can leave here/we can be together more" and BLQ said "remember Drew isn't welcome here" Willow is instantly all "how dare you, everyone has turned against Drew who saved my life, I'm leaving." 

That is NOT living life on her own terms. It's being a puppet to a controlling and obsessed man who doesn't care what is best for her children. 

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JMO

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I get why Alexis didn't want to wait for Jason's return to tell Danny, but I think Dante's presence would have been helpful.  He's been more family to Danny than anyone but Sam and the other kids. 

Does Drew even know about Sam yet? 

I'd assumed the Brad-at-the-gym scenes we got the other day were to remind us that he and Lucas will be together in Florida soon. Now I'm wondering if Brad will be Cyrus' next victim.

Will Joss, Dante, Lucky and Liz trip over each other's investigations?

I love KW and Felicia.  She so easily slides into and out of each scene, and is able to hold believable conversations with so many different characters, offering wisdom and just the right amount of skepticism.  I see where Maxie gets it from. 

Speaking of Maxie, please keep her as far away from Drew as possible.  

I like how Sasha stands up for herself, wish she had done more of that with Gladys.  Also liked the development of her relationship with Tracy, mostly because Tracy needs someone she doesn't have to be snarky with.  I also actually like Cody and am sympathetic with his situation.  I wish the writers would find him a worthy storyline.  

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Except that Willow has almost entirely been living her life on Drew's terms, not her own. And Tracy sees that.

So Willow needs to live her life on terms Tracy deems acceptable? I get what you're saying, but it's also a slippery slope. Willow is making terrible choices, but they are her choices. 

And we'll see how supportive of Sasha Tracy stays when she finds out the baby is Michael's.

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52 minutes ago, tessabq said:

Not only was it dreadful, but he used it in some scenes and not in others. His reasoning was that he was tired during production. Any little bit of respect I had for him as an actor died in that moment. 

His accent (and lacktherof) was epically, EPICALLY bad. Thankfully, he's never tried to do an accent again.

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Cheyanne11

Cheyanne11

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

So Willow needs to live her life on terms Tracy deems acceptable? I get what you're saying, but it's also a slippery slope. Willow is making terrible choices, but they are her choices. 

Also, I rolled my eyes today when Tracy said that the reason she was trying to take Willow's kids away from her was because "she was trying to keep them from us."  Like, I love Tracy, but that's not true in any sense.

And can Sasha make up her mind?  Because NOW what happened to Willow is her cautionary tale, but a couple weeks ago she was all "you're not taking your children off this property" to her.

 

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Artsda

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Tracy walks into her kitchen, Sasha goes to take off. Tracy, Sasha's employer asks her to wait. Then the employee says "I don't want to hear it."

Sasha needs to be fired. Her running her mouth to everyone is ridiculous. 

Willow is too stupid, she needs mental help. 

Dante should have sat both boys down and told them about Sam. Dante has that right. He was the father figure for years, he has that right. 

Has Lulu spent anytime with her son? Since Charlotte is the only thing that matters. 

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driver18

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Tracy walks into her kitchen, Sasha goes to take off. Tracy, Sasha's employer asks her to wait. Then the employee says "I don't want to hear it."

Sasha was off. It was her day off. She saw Tracy earlier at the Metrocourt and told her she had talked to Olivia and gotten the day off. She was NOT working. And she lives at the Qs so she was in her home too on her DAY OFF. She had every right to tell Tracy she didn't want to hear it on her day off. 

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5 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

. Emma, however, is Maxie's cousin's daughter and is a college student who has gotten into some trouble. She's living with her grandmother who is Maxie's godmother, not paying her own bills as an independent adult.

Maybe it bothered me because it was such nothing advice. Maxie went to sit with Emma at Emma's table, basically told her that Anna is too smart to be fooled (which is something that she should have left Emma to find out for herself as that would have been more effective) and then told Emma to go away when Sasha came over.  Rude.

So Anna is now incompetent so that Joss can be the one to solve the Cyrus-killer mystery. I wonder how Finola feels about that, or if she's just accepted that everyone will be secondary to the Carly/Sonny family

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bybrandy

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11 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The Show remembered Tracy has another son! Nice Tracy-Sasha scene after Drew and Cody have been such assholes. 

I wouldn’t mind a recast Dillon.  

 

10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Also, I hated how he told Elizabeth he'd take care of things from now on: "No need to worry your pretty head, little lady."

Really?  Because I read it as “let’s not get you involved in this morally not great thing and legally quite illegal thing I’m going to do…”

Lucky is proposing doing a really sketchy thing for a good reason. 

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bybrandy

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18 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

so he's going to play the role he was born to play: fake baby daddy. It's the role he's shined in since 1997.  

Yup not only is he old enough to be her fault her and looks it. He’ll be fake daddying the kid he of the a baby he fake daddied. Hooking up with your grandbaby’s mama is squick. 

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Artsda

Artsda

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8 hours ago, driver18 said:

Sasha was off. It was her day off. She saw Tracy earlier at the Metrocourt and told her she had talked to Olivia and gotten the day off. She was NOT working. And she lives at the Qs so she was in her home too on her DAY OFF. She had every right to tell Tracy she didn't want to hear it on her day off. 

So if it's your day off you're allowed to speak to your boss like that?

What Sasha is allowed to get away with is insane. 

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nilyank

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

So if it's your day off you're allowed to speak to your boss like that?

What Sasha is allowed to get away with is insane. 

Tracy is not her boss and does not pay Sasha’s wages.

It is Monica’s house and she allows Tracy to live there.

Olivia hired Sasha and is her boss. Sasha makes any requests about her job and duties to her. Olivia does not have any issues with Sasha as an employee.

Tracy can air her grievances with Monica and Olivia but ultimately it  is up to them if there will be any follow up with Sasha.

 

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driver18

driver18

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

So if it's your day off you're allowed to speak to your boss like that?

What Sasha is allowed to get away with is insane. 

Tracy and Sasha had a discussion, which Sasha told Felicia about. Tracy is rude, obnoxious and overbearing to Sasha. She gives her reasons to sue countless times a day. However, because of that discussion in the church, Tracy and Sasha came to an understanding. Tracy does her overbearing act, Sasha puts up with it until she's done and then, yeah, she's gonna fight back. And Tracy told her, works for me. It's a mutually agreed upon relationship between them.

Sasha likes cooking for, living with the Qs, and was going to quit based on HOW Tracy treated her. The only reason she decided to stay is because Tracy agreed that it was right that Sasha fight back. Tracy enjoys it and respects that Sasha stands up for herself.

So, before going after Sasha for how she acts with Tracy, search out their history--which was just brought up again by Sasha--that explains WHY Sasha and Tracy interact as they do.

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Desperado

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Thank you @ASpring1900, the version I saw on IG was focused on MB and… it wasn’t fun to watch.

Poor Tanisha, her dress didn’t seem to give her much dance leeway.

I only saw bits of the group interview and Mathison seemed pretty obnoxious to me, talking over people, etc. MB didn’t seem to enjoy that (I wouldn’t either if I was any of them).

Finola and Laura were definitely more attuned to the energy the show needed.

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

12 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

DAMN YOU, Ric!!! I was thisclose to seeing Lucky and Elizabeth have their first kiss after how many years??!!!

15. I've watched some old LnL2 (with JJ in the role) recently and the last scene where they were focused only on each other and started kissing was when they conceived Aiden in November 2009.

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1 hour ago, ASpring1900 said:

Not sure if this is more appropriate for the "GH In the News" thread, but this came up on my feed and is adorable. Go Finola!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFsw9Jdveg4/

I came across this version, too:

 

That definitely was adorable. And Finola is a trained(?) dancer so it's not surprising she can move

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12 hours ago, Grinaldi said:
12 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Ric told Elizabeth she was in his top 3 favorite people. If Molly is number one, I wonder who is the other slot? 

Himself, obvs.

LOL. I wouldn't be surprised if it were secretly Alexis. The show is really pushing the antagonism between them, but I thought they were her strongest pairing.

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19 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Also, I hated how he told Elizabeth he'd take care of things from now on: "No need to worry your pretty head, little lady."

Really?  Because I read it as “let’s not get you involved in this morally not great thing and legally quite illegal thing I’m going to do…”

Then have him say that. I know he made the point more clearly later, but I've always felt that Lucky (like so many of the men on the show generally) doesn't give Elizabeth her due as someone who knows what's going on. 

It just rubbed me the wrong way, feeling a bit patronizing to someone who has been helping with this thing for a while. Obviously, mileage varies.

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Asp Burger

Asp Burger

The frequent hostile scenes between Carly and Drew just make the show's attempt to make them a supercouple a few years ago funnier in retrospect. Even at the time, it was like a hypnotist was desperately trying to put me in a trance, and it wasn't working because all I could focus on was the hypnotist's profuse sweating. Who could forget those romantic scenes in "Florida"? 

I know that any soap couple can become bitter enemies in time, and sometimes that won't last forever either; that's the genre. But with Carly and Drew, even though the scripts acknowledge/call back to their past (like "I can't believe I ever had a relationship with him!" or "Even when we were together, you never thought I measured up to Jason"), it's like the writers are acknowledging their own bad idea or their predecessors' bad idea.

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Putting Carly and Drew together was so obviously a placeholder/setup to Jason's eventual return that I don't think they could have ever worked as a couple. Jasus knows CamMat and LW tried to make it work, but show history was completely against them, no matter how how the writers tried to convince us this was a love for the ages.

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Melgaypet

Melgaypet

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Was Brennan a character who needed to be recast? I'm all for Chris McKenna, but he could easily be the WSB guy who comes in to replace Brennan and investigate his murder/disappearance.

I suppose it's to keep the Carly/Brennan thing going, but I haven't given a damn about Carly's romantic life since she was marrying Jason for mumblemumble reasons and it looked they were finally GOING THERE and I could dream about Sonny returning from the dead/Nixon Falls and the three of them finally cannibalizing each other.

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Bringonthedrama

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I adore Chase, but he deserves to be suspended if not fired. If Rocco or Danny get hurt trying to get justice or revenge for Sam, it's his fault. I'm sort of expecting that they'll get in trouble and Jason will be the one to save them.

Ugh instead of being embarrassed by the confrontation with Carly, Drew is looking at and touching Willow in Nina's home like he wants to do her right there on the floor. Ewww at Nina walking out of her room and seeing them making out and Willow pressing her body up against him.

Lois is giving Joss competition for the "dumber than a box of rocks" award. And Lois, we all figured out months ago that Gio is your daughter's retconned baby. 

For a second I thought BLQ was going to blurt/scream out "Dante, I had our baby and gave it up for adoption" when Gio, Dante and Chase were dropping their anvil lines in front of her.

I'm at least glad the spoiler about Rocco wasn't finding out he has a retconned half-sibling.

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