Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Cheyanne11]

18 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

Whatever transportation Sonny is using to leave the hospital, I hope to Odin that it's not a limo and that he's not offering Carly a ride home. 

She's probably already got the legal document for Sonny to sign away his rights to Donna in her back pocket.  Just waiting for a back seat.

[JMO]

29 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Because the PCPD has 4 people working for the PCPD. The commissioner, 2 detectives and a rookie, and they just killed off the rookie.

And Mac, the chief of the two detectives.

[Daisy]

16 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I am glad that Willow didn’t cower and cry in front of Joss. There was a similar scene years ago when Lulu tore Liz apart in the middle of the hospital for cheating on Lucky with Nikolas. I’ll admit back then I kind of cheered because Liz was wrong and I detested her at the time. But, I watched those scenes again recently and it went on too long and while Liz was wrong, I thought it would have made more sense for Liz not just stand there crying, either leave or at least call Lulu out on her hypocrisy once. So, I was glad Willow’s reaction was different. While I also thought there was too much name calling in the Lulu/Liz scene, I wish Willow had been harsher with Joss. So, I’m glad Nina’s going to show up tomorrow. I don’t think she’ll have any problem calling Joss the insufferable heifer that she is. 

 

I was just about to post this [YT showed this clip] and I was like. this screams of Lulu tearing Liz a major new one at the nursing station and Liz just standing there trying not to cry and all "don't do this here."  the Clip didn't show the start of the argument or confrontation, but basically Joss being all "yeah I was into Dex before I left Cam but i wasn't married."

No. You weren't but you still cheated. Joss. . You devastated your boyfriend who was your best friend basically since childhood. You didn't think about everything he gave you including pushing aside his feelings constantly - as in his anger that Jason might have killed his stepfather (and just being a murderer in general), about how he felt about the entire revenge porn thing. You even rubbed it in his face when he found out and basically threatened his life when Cam didn't really care if it needed to be secret or not.  (I honestly don't know if Willow was supportive of Joss during this time but i reckon she wasn't ringing the Shame, Shame, Shame bell either). 

Like this is what ultimately bothers me. Willow was 31 flavours of wrong in what she did. She had an emotional affair with Drew for months. She actively kissed him twice. She did screw Drew. but a little awareness from joss even if she were mad which she has the right to be would have gone a lot way.

And Show. The North Will Always Remember the fact that Michael also cheated. ALSO. CHEATED.  and has a baby [groan] out of it on the way. so stop saintifying him. 



 

[GHScorpiosRule]

54 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

that Micheal, ever the good guy, will tell Carly to let Willow have the kids.  

 

Oh, wait. You were serious? When has he ever been "the good guy"?

 

[Daisy]

I am going to start this off with - Laura Wright is always soo good with these scenes. CamMat - needs to watch some episodes of Star Trek DS9 when Jadzia Dax talks about why she puts her hands behind her back because she doesn't want to talk with her hands). i didn't notice this until people brought it up here. but the constant reaching out  and pulling them back to his chest and then reaching out is like... are you trying to churn butter or something? stahp it. 

But yeah Carly. I get it. it's your kid and you are pissed that he got screwed over by Drew. but Man.the lack of self awareness or "well it's fine that I did it-ness" is so mindblowingly ignored. and i mean i get it and I know most times you don't really think about your bad decisions but hoo boy  it's one of those times i wish Leslie Charleston was healthy because this needed a big dose of Monica "let me bring you back down to earth" ness. (In my dreams because i know they neutered monica so much)

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

I am going to start this off with - Laura Wright is always soo good with these scenes

While I agree that Laura is really good with grief, aside from a couple of them, Cujo's facial expression, or specifically, her eyes, had a calculating 'can you do this?' when Diane gleefully told her about how to take the spawns away from Nina/Willow. That same expression lasted throughout the episode for me.

For me? Genie Francis does grief, angry/raging Grief so much better. I think that's an unpopular opinion though. I just remember her hissing "MURDERER!" at Mooby, with Jaysus in the morgue, when looking over Lucky's "dead" body back when JJ left the show.

That she's even friends with him again is another rant I've already vented my spleen over.

 

[Bringonthedrama]

42 minutes ago, Daisy said:

, but basically Joss being all "yeah I was into Dex before I left Cam but i wasn't married."

No. You weren't but you still cheated. Joss. . You devastated your boyfriend who was your best friend basically since childhood.  

I'm legit shocked that Willow knows about Joss cheating on Cam. I thought only Joss, Dex and Cam knew this for sure because Joss never even acknowledged/admitted it to Trina. Spencer strongly suspected. Did I miss a scene where Joss confided in Michael/Michael and Willow? She was never close to Willow to admit to her in a little sister confiding in big sister type of way. 

What both of these women did was awful, but in terms of "big life consequences" Willow's actions - and Michael's with Sasha - are definitely worse. Neither one was thinking of their children. They got together in the first place because she never grieved her child/was unhealthily attached to Wiley and he wanted to keep Wiley away from Nelle. He always had a thing for Willow anyway (from before she and Chase were a couple) and dangled permanent motherhood of Wiley in her face ... so here we are. I never believed Willow was genuinely in love with Michael in the first place.  She was infatuated with him for offering her Wiley and giving her a bigger family. You can't really build a marriage on mutual attachment to a child.  

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

And Show. The North Will Always Remember the fact that Michael also cheated. ALSO. CHEATED.  and has a baby [groan] out of it on the way. so stop saintifying him. 

Right now no one outside of Sasha and Jason know this, though, so Joss and Carly thinking Michael is an innocent who got cheated on makes sense.  I do hope somehow Willow finds out sooner rather than later so she can use that knowledge to fight the Carlys.

Also, take heed, Sasha, of said Carlys and their baby bloodlust. 

[rur]

14 hours ago, ciarra said:

I agree, but why send a detective? 

And because they probably used up their budget on the day player social worker.

[PatsyandEddie]

Dex would have been there if they hadn’t killed him off. 

[CeChase]

I fear Nina is gonna be the one who figures out Michael is the father of Sasha's baby, and she will feel compelled to use that in the custody battle, and it will destroy her relationship with Sasha.  The writers would love that.  To me, Willow ain't worth all this trouble. 

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I never believed Willow was genuinely in love with Michael in the first place.  She was infatuated with him for offering her Wiley and giving her a bigger family. You can't really build a marriage on mutual attachment to a child

I've been screaming this. for years. I saw the clip where Michael is all "Willow changes who she is to survive." and I get what he meant, but it still made me want to punch his face. but I need these freaking people to remember she was in a CULT. that's her heritage. They only got together because they needed to save Wiley and they [like BLQ & Chase] got all swept up in "oooh baby fever" and thought that meant they loved each other. He was lusty over her but i don't think it was ever really there for Willow not the way it should have been. 

and i honestly feel the reason why BLQ and Chase are together are because those two actors wanna be Amish. that's it. 

 

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Right now no one outside of Sasha and Jason know this, though, so Joss and Carly thinking Michael is an innocent who got cheated on makes sense.  I do hope somehow Willow finds out sooner rather than later so she can use that knowledge to fight the Carlys.

Also, take heed, Sasha, of said Carlys and their baby bloodlust. 

Oh i know. but that's my hope. like i know their friendship is over now but when Michael screwed Sasha they were still whatever besties count for on this show. His poo stinks to high heaven too. 

lol honestly. when Sasha was all like "I don't want my Baby all Q'ified" i'm like listen. that's not the family you should be worrying about. Or even the Corithinos-ification it's Carly and her need to control every baby this side of the Mason-Dixon. 

 

15 minutes ago, CeChase said:

I fear Nina is gonna be the one who figures out Michael is the father of Sasha's baby, and she will feel compelled to use that in the custody battle, and it will destroy her relationship with Sasha.  The writers would love that.  To me, Willow ain't worth all this trouble. 

i hope not but i know this show. they've gotta screw Nina over somehow. 

[absnow54]

13 minutes ago, CeChase said:

I fear Nina is gonna be the one who figures out Michael is the father of Sasha's baby, and she will feel compelled to use that in the custody battle, and it will destroy her relationship with Sasha.  The writers would love that.  To me, Willow ain't worth all this trouble. 

Based on how this story is playing out, Nina couldn’t care less about Willow. In fact, Willow has been nothing but a nuisance to her. Nina’s objective is maintaining access to her grandchildren.

[KerleyQ]

3 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Carly with all her money and all her marriages really only has the power to take children away from their parents. Yes Willow is gross and banged Drew but that doesn't mean she's a bad mother to Whylie and the other one. I mean it's not like she's putting them in danger by marrying into the mob or anything! 

Yeah, it would seem like Michael's current condition would be proof that Carly has a history of making shitty dangerous decisions for her children that have life-long repercussions. I wonder if Willow will have the guts to make that accusation in court. 

It would be even better if Willow somehow finds out about Sasha's pregnancy and Michael's agreement to keep it quiet that he's the father, to protect the child from growing up as part of his family. 

Edited 18 minutes ago by KerleyQ

[Mirabelle]

Between Kristina wanting Justice for Adela/Irene, Joss wanting Justice for Dex, and both being angry over Michael, I wonder if they're going to form a little Vengeance Club where they get together weekly to root support each other. Sort of like Weight Watchers but with more screaming confrontations.