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Episode Discussion II: The TFGH


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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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12 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Or if she must be wearing clothes, than have her in his shirt that he just took off.  It covers her and is a sexier look than pjs ANS a housecoat while under the covers, literally moments after having sex.  

I cannot believe that the show allowed her to have TWO LAYERS on during that scene.  I keep going back to the role she played on OLTL (as Kim) when she was 1/2 dressed in many of her scenes with Clint.   I know, I know, that all changed after she got married and she's now a mom.   But soaps aren't so explicit with sex scenes anymore.  Why can't she just cover up with a sheet?  

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So was Sasha made a Scorpio (🙄) just so we could have a Cody/Lulu/Dante triangle?

On 11/26/2024 at 10:45 AM, dubbel zout said:

 

Poor Sasha. She's likely shackled with Michael's baby, which is its own special hell.

They just can’t torture the character enough apparently. 

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Just now, DanaMB said:

So was Sasha made a Scorpio (🙄) just so we could have a Cody/Lulu/Dante triangle?

And a Sasha/Michael ONS and baby. 
 

At this point I’m wondering how they’re going to do the Gio reveal.  Which family member will have the medical emergency where they need something from Gio or someone needs to save him and/or Lois will blurt out that he’s her grandmother when they ask about his family or will he get caught in Sonny’s crossfire and Lois will inform him similar to how he found out about Dante.  

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9 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

I am really liking Alexa as Lulu as well. She projects intelligence and spunk. Looking forward to the reunions with Tracy, Laura and Lucky. And clearly they are chem testing her with Cody which I am down for.

I like her, too. She’s reminding me of LB. 

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9 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

I am really liking Alexa as Lulu as well. She projects intelligence and spunk. Looking forward to the reunions with Tracy, Laura and Lucky. And clearly they are chem testing her with Cody which I am down for.

I'm liking her, too.  Definitely vibing with JMB's version of Lulu.  I really like that they didn't draw out someone she knew seeing her--and it was right that it was Rocco who saw her first.

Also, I know James is an annoying soap kid, but he was cracking me up yesterday.  

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10 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

At this point I’m wondering how they’re going to do the Gio reveal.  Which family member will have the medical emergency where they need something from Gio or someone needs to save him and/or Lois will blurt out that he’s her grandmother when they ask about his family or will he get caught in Sonny’s crossfire and Lois will inform him similar to how he found out about Dante.  

I am thinking that Brook Lynn finds out that she can't have any babies and Lois tells her that Gio was the baby that she gave up and since he is currently an orphan, she can be his mother again.

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Sasha, Nina, and Maxie were friends long before Sasha learned she was Robert's daughter. Just because she's now in the Mac/Felicia orbit doesn't mean she has stronger ties to the canvas, IMO. Valerie (remember her?) had all sorts of interactions with people who weren't Spencers, and where is she now? 

What has being Mac's son done for Cody? Not much. There's not a Thanksgiving dinner for him to attend, either with Mac and Felicia or the Qs. (I think it was a mistake not to have some mention of the holiday.)

Making someone a relative of an existing character doesn't in and of itself strengthen that character. The writers have to follow through, and a month or two after the revelation, they rarely do.

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New Lulu is giving big-time Berman vibes, and I am HERE FOR IT. I never liked Emme Rylan's "Junior Wine Mom" version of Lulu. She was only the same character because they insisted.  

IDK if it's true, but I read on a gossip board that there has been an order handed down that the name "Jax" must be avoided in dialogue. If they have to bring him up, like for something involving Carly and Josslyn, they word it somehow without using the name. The only exception was a flashback of a Carly/Sam catfight where Carly rubbed it in that Sonny, Jason, and Jax were all still in her life and not in Sam's life.

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Sasha, Nina, and Maxie were friends long before Sasha learned she was Robert's daughter. Just because she's now in the Mac/Felicia orbit doesn't mean she has stronger ties to the canvas, IMO. Valerie (remember her?) had all sorts of interactions with people who weren't Spencers, and where is she now? 

What has being Mac's son done for Cody? Not much. There's not a Thanksgiving dinner for him to attend, either with Mac and Felicia or the Qs. (I think it was a mistake not to have some mention of the holiday.)

Making someone a relative of an existing character doesn't in and of itself strengthen that character. The writers have to follow through, and a month or two after the revelation, they rarely do.

But we haven't seen Sasha and Maxie much together since she left Deception, and as I pointed out, Maxie specifically said, I'm not just a friend, I'm family now. And, we saw Sasha with Felicia having a heart to heart. And we saw Sasha with Felicia and Mac. We also saw Felicia and Anna talking about Sasha.

The point is that before Gladys was the only "family" that Sasha had for the longest time and she was terrible. Now, she has 5 to 7 ppl she can turn to, ppl who she is sharing scenes with, who are actively concerned about her, embracing her, talking to her, and about her AS FAMILY. And we have actively seen these scenes play out since finding out she is a part of their family.

As for what will happen beyond the next few months, we don't know. Many a thing has been said will definitively happen or not happen here and yet such was not the case, so we'll see.

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Making someone a relative of an existing character doesn't in and of itself strengthen that character. The writers have to follow through, and a month or two after the revelation, they rarely do

Unless it’s Peter. Then we never hear the end of it 🥱

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28 minutes ago, driver18 said:

And we have actively seen these scenes play out since finding out she is a part of their family.

It's early days, and the show is working overtime to tell us Sasha is Robert's daughter, so those ties are being screamed at us. As I wrote earlier, it's after the initial reveal that determines if Sasha is more anchored. History says no.

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And it's just ridiculously stupid timing to reveal that Sasha is Robert and Holly's daughter and then immediately usher both Robert and Holly out of town and off screen. The only impact this has had on her life is that she had one lunch with Mac and Felicia, and she can't be with Cody. 

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