Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[dubbel zout]

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

KeMo's I love you in sign language as her final gesture just made me sad.  

Is that what that was? I was thinking it was some sort of "rock on!" gesture. LOL. I'm an idiot.

4 hours ago, CeChase said:

SBU really gave nothing with his "you got this" squeak.  

He never gives anything. It always makes me laugh when his costars go on about how he keeps them on their toes when they work together. Are they preparing to run off the set as soon as the scene is over? Because that's the only explanation I can think of for feeling that way.

A throwaway line that cracked me up was when Lucas's towel dropped (of course) and Brad said it was nothing he hadn't seen before, but Lucas should get "that mole checked; it's new." PC is excellent with those sorts of asides.

[DanaK]

Given the mystery around Lulu's faulty ventilator, I wonder if someone will tamper with Sam's care while she's in recovery in a hospital room post-transplant and that's how she dies? That would be better than the transplant procedure causing her death

Edited October 25 by DanaK

[Cheyanne11]

[ciarra]

They probably edited out the middle finger hand signal that KeMo wanted to give the people at ABC.

[Mirabelle]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 

As for Lucky, well, Lulu is also undergoing surgery, so he should be there for her and to support Laura, Dante, Rocco. I wasn't even thinking about Sam where Lucky is concerned.

Just my opinion on this.

Maybe Lucky was barred from the hospital until he no longer looked like he was a carrier for a few tropical diseases. He did look like a health hazard after he came back.

Edited October 25 by Mirabelle

[Bringonthedrama]

46 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Maybe Lucky was barred from the hospital until he no longer looked like he was a carrier for a few tropical diseases. He did look like a health hazard after he came back.

🤣After reading @GHScorpiosRule's response, I wondered if Lucky would be at the hospital today with Laura, and if not what's the explanation for why. But nope, and none despite Anna asking how he's doing.  The only positive thing I can say about Anna for the episode is FH's hair looks gorgeous.  

The only moments I liked about this episode were the Webber Siblings' hug and Elizabeth's reaction to Heather saying I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings that I'm saying goodbye/not staying with you. Bravo BHerbst! Heather telling Steven how she wants to do everything for Ace that she never did for him was a combo of delusional and gross.

 I don't buy that Robert's happy with a surprise/retcon daughter, and I'm 🙄 over Sasha crying because she doesn't want to give up Cody. 

 

 

[mostlylurking]

Well that was sad.  The only thing that made me raged was of fucking course they had to insert Carly into the scene.  I understand why Sonny was there; he and Sam lost a child and he’s Dante’s father.  Lucky should have been there as well, not to mention her sisters.  But Carly??  No reason whatsoever.

Farewell Kelly.  You weren’t always my fave but you put in a lot of time and I wish you well.

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Is that what that was? I was thinking it was some sort of "rock on!" gesture. LOL. I'm an idiot.

Lmao….yes it was the I Love You symbol in sign language, although given the way things supposedly went down behind the scenes Kelly probably would have liked to have put up only one choice finger.

Edited October 25 by mostlylurking

[Bringonthedrama]

16 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Lmao….yes it was the I Love You symbol in sign language, although given the way things supposedly went down behind the scenes Kelly probably would have liked to have put up only one choice finger.

I'm sure the ILY in sign language was both for her colleagues and her/Sam's fans who were watching the episode. They had nothing to do with the Show/ABC deciding to fire her. Her voice sounded like she was crying as she was wheeled away.

I feel bad for NLG. Her long-term colleague TC who played her nephew Nikolas is tragically deceased, more recently the actresses who played her two younger daughters from the time they were kids got fired, the actor ME who played her dear friend Finn got fired, and now the actress who played her eldest daughter has been fired. 

[statsgirl]

Friday's show:

In the scene outside the prison, I realized that Liz married the half-bother of her half-brother, Franco.. And Sam of course was living with the son of her baby daddy, and then had two children from each of a set of twin brothers, following in her mother's footsteps who had two children from two half-brothers. Given all that, I honestly don't see the problem with Sasha dating her cousin.

Heather: "Ever since Ace was a little boy, I've dreamed of ...." Heather, he's 1. He's still a little boy.

Anna going to Alexis to ask if Valentin had contacted her surprised me. I miss the their relationship, two Casssadine outsiders.

I like hate Diane less when she's reacting normally as she did in Robert's office today than her usual smug.

Shallow note: I really like Anna's long narrow skirts. Unfortunately I don't have the body to wear them.

4 hours ago, DanaK said:

Given the mystery around Lulu's faulty ventilator, I wonder if someone will tamper with Sam's care while she's in recovery in a hospital room post-transplant and that's how she dies? That would be better than the transplant procedure causing her death

I love that idea! I've been hating the idea that Sam offering to be an organ donor causes her death.

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

A throwaway line that cracked me up was when Lucas's towel dropped (of course) and Brad said it was nothing he hadn't seen before, but Lucas should get "that mole checked; it's new." PC is excellent with those sorts of asides.

I laughed out loud at that.

Edited October 25 by statsgirl

[KittenPokerCheater]

Steven Lars- why was he in prison and why is Liz so lukewarm to him?

[dubbel zout]

9 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I don't buy that Robert's happy with a surprise/retcon daughter, and I'm 🙄 over Sasha crying because she doesn't want to give up Cody. 

Robert's too classy to take out his feelings on Sasha. Holly is the person Robert should be angry with. He was, but I thought he got over that anger too soon. Though maybe "that's just Holly" is the only reasonable way to deal with her if you don't want to drive yourself over the edge. It lets her off the hook way too much, but sometimes you have to protect yourself first.

If I found out the guy I was falling in love with turned out to be my first cousin, the ick factor would kick in immediately and I wouldn't have too much trouble ending things. But maybe that's just me. 

I'd have laughed so hard if Bobbie's didn't serve BLTs any more.

"Ever since Ace was a little boy..." He's still a little boy, Heather. Alley Mills is such an overactor as Heather. There's no subtlety.

Has Nina forgotten what a horror show her mother is? You'd think she'd have a little historical perspective with Sasha. (Of course she doesn't—the writers can't remember what happened yesterday.) Nina's situation with being estranged from Willow is very different from Sasha's with Holly. 

I liked that Sasha went to Nina to talk about Holly. That felt right.

[ciarra]

6 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Steven Lars- why was he in prison and why is Liz so lukewarm to him?

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

In the scene outside the prison, I realized that Liz married the half-bother of her half-brother, Franco.. And Sam of course was living with the son of her baby daddy, and then had two children from each of a set of twin brothers, following in her mother's footsteps who had two children from two half-brothers. Given all that, I honestly don't see the problem with Sasha dating her cousin.

Because none of those relationships' shared blood like Sasha and Cody do.

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

If I found out the guy I was falling in love with turned out to be my first cousin, the ick factor would kick in immediately and I wouldn't have too much trouble ending things. But maybe that's just me. 

It's not just you. It's all ickickick to me.

59 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I don't buy that Robert's happy with a surprise/retcon daughter,

FUCK!FUCK!FUCK!

FUCK YOU, FRANK!

8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Robert's too classy to take out his feelings on Sasha. Holly is the person Robert should be angry with. He was, but I thought he got over that anger too soon. Though maybe "that's just Holly" is the only reasonable way to deal with her if you don't want to drive yourself over the edge.

He really is.

[KittyQ]

Curtis' idea is for Heather's son to "take her far away"? Heather isn't a dog that can be rehomed or relocated at someone else's whim. An adult, even a crazy one, gets to make their own decisions. Is Curtis under the impression that he's the Witness Protection agency? How much money does he have that he thinks he can finance this plan? Will he pay for her to "be gone" for the rest of her life? 

[KittyQ]

Yesterday's show: Brad bought muffins for the staff "The bastard!" - that was worth a chuckle. Too bad Lucas used it before Portia accused Brad of trying to ingratiate himself to the staff, because it would have worked then, too. Of course, why would any new person try to get on good terms with the staff and maybe buy them pastries unless they were up to no good?

[mostlylurking]

57 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Shallow note: I really like Anna's long narrow skirts. Unfortunately I don't have the body to wear them.

I like them too. Very chic. But you have to take very little steps and forget about stairs, ha!

I also liked the Brad and Lucas scenes and Brad saying to have the mole checked.  Very natural and made me laugh. 

[dubbel zout]

57 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Is Curtis under the impression that he's the Witness Protection agency?

He's under the impression he's God. Asshole.

39 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Of course, why would any new person try to get on good terms with the staff and maybe buy them pastries unless they were up to no good?

That makes me the ultimate evil, then: Whenever I started a new job, I'd bring in pastries sometime during my first week. It was a good icebreaker, and it also made people more willing to deal with my learning curve. How can you be mad at the person who brought in breakfast treats?

I don't think Elizabeth was being frosty toward Steven Lars so much as not being able to get a word in edgewise because of Heather. Elizabeth seemed genuinely happy to see him.

[JMO]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

 

In the scene outside the prison, I realized that Liz married the half-bother of her half-brother, Franco.. And Sam of course was living with the son of her baby daddy, and then had two children from each of a set of twin brothers, following in her mother's footsteps who had two children from two half-brothers. Given all that, I honestly don't see the problem with Sasha dating her cousin.

This is why I think it's so ridiculous that the show feels a need to anchor each new character to an existing family, especially when it's so unnecessary.  I hope each household has some kind of family tree chart so that, lying mothers and missing fathers aside, they can try to avoid getting into a relationship with a relative.

I love Robert Scorpio, and I love how Tristan Rogers plays him.  He is always in character, always uniquely himself.  So many of the other actors seem interchangeable to me, as though they could exchange roles and still read their lines, and I might not notice much difference.  But Robert is always uniquely Robert, with just the right amount of twinkle in his eye, the right amount of cynicism or wry observation in his voice, the perfect amount of righteous indignation when it's called for, and just the right hint of vulnerability when it's warranted.  I love that he's getting some focus, even while I hate the storyline.  TR is irreplaceable.  

I've never been a huge fan of Sam, but I also don't like injustice, and it sounds like that may be what's been perpetrated with KM.  For that reason, I'm sorry to see her go.  I hope her fellow cast members are up to making her exit a worthy one.  

[GHScorpiosRule]

JFC ON A CRACKER.

First: Holly didn’t even know Robert when he was a “globe trotting international” spy! He was already Port Charles’ police commissioner when they met and married out of convenience because she was pregnant with Luke’s baby (who was presumed dead in the avalanche) and about to be deported.

And two: when they were married , not “together” (Diane you heifer)Holly had long since stopped being a con!

So again: FUCK YOU SHOW for ruining another good character-both Guzasshole Frank.

My blood pressure kept rising at how Holly’s pathetic attempt to get Cody to leave town. The trash talking about Tracy and denigrating working in the stables. UGH.

I ❤️ Robert. That’s all.

Are we lucky enough to be rid of this yowling Heather?

What a lame Friday ending.

Edited October 26 by GHScorpiosRule

[Maelstrom]

This show is The Worst. I'm a week behind on eps, but I feel confident stating that this show is trying to out-The Worst itself, and it's winning. And we, of course, are losing. 😔

[Katy M]

I think I'm 2 or 3 days behind, but Portia making Heather's sentence setting aside about race seems a bit far-fetched.  Heather wasn't convicted of being out to get Trina.  She was convicted of the murders she committed, among them being Britt, so it makes no sense for Portia to say the judge let her go because he only cares about white women.

And I still don't get Ric. I understand what he's saying about Ava going to prison won't bring Molly's baby back and it was just an accident (wasn't watching when it happened and he wasn't there but I'll take his word for it anyway) and that she needs to not let hate eat her up.  All perfectly reasonable and good advice.  But, I don't think him defending Ava is doing Molly any favors.  Especially with her already shaky marriage.

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

27 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I understand what he's saying about Ava going to prison won't bring Molly's baby back and it was just an accident (wasn't watching when it happened and he wasn't there but I'll take his word for it anyway)

It was an accident and the most uncomedy gold of how Kristina tripped and did a triple twist out of the Metro Court's flimsy windows.

28 minutes ago, Katy M said:

But, I don't think him defending Ava is doing Molly any favors.  Especially with her already shaky marriage.

Molly and TJ aren't married-they are in a domestic partnership. Even if they messed up the dialogue the other day and she referred to her partnership as "marriage" when it isn't. Remember, TJ got kidnapped by Cyrus because Molly turned down his marriage proposal.

[Grinaldi]

I just can't believe it will be so easy to get rid of Heather. And if it is, what was the point of this whole story? If she's going away keep her in the psych ward instead of sending her to Arizona. More plausible than a vacated sentence for serial murder.

 

[rur]

28 minutes ago, Grinaldi said:

I just can't believe it will be so easy to get rid of Heather. And if it is, what was the point of this whole story? If she's going away keep her in the psych ward instead of sending her to Arizona. More plausible than a vacated sentence for serial murder.

This. She could have just stayed there and been forgotten.

Robin Mattson's Heather was a schemer, but was the kind of character you loved to hate. Unfortunately, Ally Mills is playing her differently, and I think her Heather wore out her welcome quite a while ago. 

Unfortunately, after a couple comments made today, I don't think she's really going to leave. 

[statsgirl]

Heather is gone but the door is wide open for her to come back. Unlike poor Kelly.

Heather killed Britt and Brando, wounded Diane and tried to kill Joss. For Portia to say that she is getting out because Trina is Black is a bad move by the writers.

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I Remember, TJ got kidnapped by Cyrus because Molly turned down his marriage proposal.

Could  Cyrus kidnap him again? Asking for a friend.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, statsgirl said:

Heather killed Britt and Brando, wounded Diane and tried to kill Joss.

She also killed Rory, the cop. And Oz something or other?

[30 Helens]

On 10/24/2024 at 5:57 PM, Desperado said:

I haven’t been a Sam fan in ages but I really felt for the actress having to do these scenes. 

Same here.I won’t miss Sam, who hasn’t been a viable character for at least a decade, but my heart goes out to Kelly. The emotion in her farewell scenes was heartfelt, and no matter what I think of her as an actress, as a long time cast member she deserved better.

Thanks to everyone who clarified the meaning of that last hand gesture. It looked like a defiant ”screw you” salute to me, but a defiant “I love this cast and you can’t take that from me” gesture is even better. Best of luck, Kelly Monaco. Hope you find a role/ purpose that makes you happier than this one seemingly did. 

[Grinaldi]

I think saying something like "this white lady gets out while innocemt black folks rot on death row" would be an apt argument in reality. To say she got out because her still living target was black is reeeeeaal gross. Don't try to get political, GH. 

[Tenshinhan]

4 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Heather killed Britt and Brando, wounded Diane and tried to kill Joss. For Portia to say that she is getting out because Trina is Black is a bad move by the writers.

The idea is that supposedly all of Heather's murders were connected to Trina, and that ultimately she would be the primary target.  So naturally Portia might question the court's decision to release someone who was targeting a Black woman compared to if it had been a white woman.  I think it makes total sense that Portia would raise the issue, especially considering that it's about her own daughter.

I am glad that the show has at least been willing to continue the conversation of how Black women are undervalued and devalued in society to the benefit of white women, with relation to Trina's character and storylines.  Unfortunately, it's a conversation that also extends beyond the story itself and into the real life of the actress and fandom.

[Desperado]

5 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

I am glad that the show has at least been willing to continue the conversation of how Black women are undervalued and devalued in society to the benefit of white women, with relation to Trina's character and storylines.  Unfortunately, it's a conversation that also extends beyond the story itself and into the real life of the actress and fandom.

True, but considering they took a caring and very successful (co-chief of staff) black woman character and made her a basket case who thinks nothing of harming her patients and breaking professional lines (changing blood test results in the hospital’s database), while doing absolutely nothing with the characters of Trina and Stella and making Phyllis disappear in a puff of smoke, shows that IRL there is no standing up for black women on this show.

Not happy with how they dismissed Zeke and Portia’s father after a brief appearance, and how they disrespected Real Andrews and his character either. Curtis is written as a douche and Marshall, although played by a good actor, was given a stereotypical jazz man plot and very little meat to act through.

When it comes to the conversation, GH should take several seats.

I wish a long and successful run to The Gates.

[CeChase]

20 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 

"Ever since Ace was a little boy..." He's still a little boy, Heather. Alley Mills is such an overactor as Heather. There's no subtlety.

 

I feel this way too, and I never see anyone say it.  Everyone says how great she is in the role.  I feel like it must be.  I just don't see it. 

[tessaray]

23 minutes ago, CeChase said:

I feel this way too, and I never see anyone say it.  Everyone says how great she is in the role.  I feel like it must be.  I just don't see it. 

Robin Mattson could be a steely b!tch but she also had a softer, vulnerable side that I never see with AM's Heather. And tbh, I couldn't see her as Franco or Esme's mother either.

But... I can see her as this Steven's mother. Too bad Curtis's dumb plan won't work. 

[Francie]

On 10/24/2024 at 2:35 PM, mostlylurking said:

Like so many of you have already said, getting a new liver is not going to miraculously wake Lulu up. 

Are you trying to tell me that a liver is not a brain? 

[mostlylurking]

19 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

My blood pressure kept rising at how Holly’s pathetic attempt to get Cody to leave town. The trash talking about Tracy and denigrating working in the stables. UGH.

Has Holly always been such an elitist snob?  She was also looking her nose down on Sasha working as a chef and having to wash dishes.  It’s not like running cons is such noble work or anything.  What a jerk they’ve turned her into.

18 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

18 hours ago, Katy M said:

 

Molly and TJ aren't married-they are in a domestic partnership. Even if they messed up the dialogue the other day and she referred to her partnership as "marriage" when it isn't. Remember, TJ got kidnapped by Cyrus because Molly turned down his marriage proposal.

I’ll take the mess up over the days when they used to mention their “domestic partnership” every other day. We get it Molly, you’re an independent woman!

2 hours ago, CeChase said:

Ever since Ace was a little boy..." He's still a little boy, Heather.

Maybe she meant to say baby but even then he’s one so I’d still consider him a baby….unless he gets sorased and next time we see him he’s like 5.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, mostlylurking said:

Has Holly always been such an elitist snob?

No. She was a warm person who didn’t have all these gross characteristics she has now.

[Sake614]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

No. She was a warm person who didn’t have all these gross characteristics she has now.

She’s been this way since the monkey virus story, so it can’t ALL be blamed on Frank. doesn’t make it better, and I hate what she’s become. I had no use for her after that story and still don’t. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

She’s been this way since the monkey virus story, so it can’t ALL be blamed on Frank. doesn’t make it better, and I hate what she’s become. I had no use for her after that story and still don’t. 

Oh without a doubt Guzasshole was responsible when he decided Holly would have the vaccine and hold it for ransom-KNOWING that the former stepdaughter she loved and helped raise, needed it. I’ve posted up thread I blame both regimes and how lame her reasoning was for turning criminal. She’s gotten worse with each return, and now I just want her gone. She and Teethan can run cons offscreen.

[ByaNose]

On 10/24/2024 at 3:40 PM, statsgirl said:

Brennan to Carly:  "If you have to ask, you're not as smart as I thought you were.:  Oh sweetie, she really really isn't.

Also not smart: Sonny thinking that he can move $100 million in diamonds before the person who owned them comes after him and Holly.

Not smart #3: Carly to Brennan "Are you trying to recruit me?"

Not smart #4: Curtis telling Steven Lars that Drew can get his medical license reinstated.  Professional associations don't like people who try to do that.

Not smart #5:  Liz telling Lucas "Brad got his job back because Terry gave him a recommendation ... Brad needed a hand. You do the math." Yes Liz, the math is the hospital needed lab tech and Brad is good at his job and has tried to make amends. What more math do you need?

Carly to Jason : Jack saved your life. That means I owe him. {unspoken: and I always get you to pay my debts.]

It's really sad to see Sam/Kelly leaving. (and others like Heather, Natalia etc. staying.)

I like to think that it's a symbol of being cuckholded.

A few weeks ago when Tracy was telling her what a good chef she is, I briefly thought that Tracy was going to offer to help her get a catering company started.

You know, if Portia had said that if Heather had been Black she wouldn't have been let out, I would have said yeah. But saying that Heather was let out because she went after a Black girl when she murdered Britt and Brando, both white (I forget who else she killed), just no.

Ironically Vinessa Antoine is currently playing a cop on Plan B.

Not smart. Hysterical!

[ByaNose]

Question. I’ve been watching GH since about 1979 or so. Anyhoo! When exactly did Holly become generally unlikable? Back in the day she was a heroine but now with her last 3 or 4 returns she’s this sudden scam artist. I guess I could understand it the first time but they’ve really beaten it to the death. Now, they throw in the stupid Sasha is her daughter storyline. I hope to God someone fooled with the DNA test because Robert doesn’t need another child (let alone a daughter) at 78 years old. I mean……..seriously? 

[GHScorpiosRule]

16 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

Question. I’ve been watching GH since about 1979 or so. Anyhoo! When exactly did Holly become generally unlikable?

In 2006 during the Monkey Virus story, when she had the vaccine but wouldn’t let the hospital have it unless she got money for it. We’ve discussed this over the last several pages here.

[Suicidy]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:27 PM, JMO said:

So nice to see the Anna I have long known and loved back on screen, and the nod to her relationship with Robert.  Now just keep her away from Jason.

Wonder if we'll actually get some joint musical performances between Gio and Trina.  It's too bad the show forgot they had another musician in the cast until the day he was leaving.  

Lots of concern about Lucas operating on Sam, and none about Isaiah not having privileges at a hospital where he does not work, in a country in which he has not been living.  Details, shmetails.  

Are they setting up a Heather who-done-it?

Does Isaiah even have a current medical license in the US?

[Suicidy]

On 10/24/2024 at 11:48 AM, ciarra said:

 

Portia is complaining about the inequity of justice.  I just don't see it in this specific case.

Yeah, bringing race into Heather’s ruling makes zero sense.  Based on what?  All the other cobalt poisoning cases involving black inmates?  
 

Terrible writing.  At least they didn’t have everyone worried about how this is all effecting Carly.

[Suicidy]

On 10/24/2024 at 12:32 PM, dubbel zout said:

I'm disappointed Steven Lars didn't enter Curtis's office with a guitar slung across his chest. LOL. 

Of course he does. The world revolves around his needs. Even if Steven Lars and Heather were on decent terms, that doesn't mean he's able to look out for her, Curtis's money or not. Curtis sucks.

Pro tip, Jack: Carly isn't as smart as you think she is.

Carly isn’t smart, but she is a superhuman being.  She has some kind of telepathic ability to create a perception filter that makes people around her think she’s awesome and not a total overbearing narcissistic bitch.

On 10/24/2024 at 11:18 AM, dubbel zout said:

Bobbie's would be a decent place, as it's a set that already exists and it's an easy place to put a lot of people for interaction.

Portia doesn't care about anyone else but Trina.

Perhaps Saha and Olivia could partner in a new franchise operation called ‘Mama Qi’s’.  Bobbie’s could be taken over and used as the model for future locations.  After an exorcism is performed on the building to free it from CARLY’s presence, of course.  Perhaps the ritual could have the added benefit of banishing Carly to Hell for at least three months.

[Suicidy]

On 10/24/2024 at 12:57 PM, norahs99 said:

I really wish Olbrecht were around.  Her reaction to Heather's release would have made for great soap! 

Or great soup.  After Liesl gets done with Heather.  Hey, got to dispose of that body somehow.

[Suicidy]

On 10/25/2024 at 10:37 AM, Mirabelle said:

Maybe Lucky was barred from the hospital until he no longer looked like he was a carrier for a few tropical diseases. He did look like a health hazard after he came back.

Perhaps Laura paid some mobile groomers to come corral Lucky for his weekly bath….. finally.

[Tenshinhan]

1 hour ago, Suicidy said:

Yeah, bringing race into Heather’s ruling makes zero sense.  Based on what?

Based on Trina being a Black woman, and the criminal justice system's tendency to ignore the safety and protection of Black women.

[Francie]

19 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Has Holly always been such an elitist snob?  She was also looking her nose down on Sasha working as a chef and having to wash dishes.  It’s not like running cons is such noble work or anything.  What a jerk they’ve turned her into.

Holly was introduced in 1982 as part of a scam artist family, though once she started to fall for her mark, Luke, she went along with them reluctantly and eventually 'turned good.'

But Holly could always be a bit of a whiny, self-entitled prima donna. Case in point: during the Aztec Treasure storyline, Holly whined about having to stay safe at the hacidenda and not being 'allowed' to be a part of Robert's and Sean's adventure. (In her defense, Robert was portrayed as bit of chauvinist about all that.) So Robert and Sean leave in a jeep to go searching for ... whatever, and their jeep breaks down in the middle of nowhere. Then along comes Holly, in another jeep, smirking, all, "Would you like a ride, boys?" She had sabotaged their jeep without their knowing, and managed to follow them, also without their knowing (thanks for dumbing down the international spies, writers). Sure, lives were in danger. And Holly could have made things far worse, but we 'womenfolk' (and 'girlfolk' as I was at the time), were supposed to be all "Yay, Holly! She sure showed them!" All I could think was "What a putz. She could have gotten someone killed, all becuase she needed shits and giggles."

Holly and Robert played Nick and Nora for a couple minor mini-strorylines (the Greg Brady broadway scout "caper" comes to mind), but whenver things got serious, Robert turned caveman, and there was a very "Lucy wants to join the band but Ricky won't let her" vibe to their relationship.

Oh, and Holly could cook. Their kitchen seemed wicked cool to 10-year-old me. And, hand to God, many times as I'm picking up white wine for cooking, my memory tidbit plays in my head of line of scene of GH where Holly credits the quality of the wine for the quality of some meal she cooked. But then I still grab the cheap stuff. 

[Ambrosefolly]

9 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Based on Trina being a Black woman, and the criminal justice system's tendency to ignore the safety and protection of Black women.

Based on the “justice” that white people get (Kate Howard, AJ Quartermaine), the show sucks with justice and protecting anyone. 
 

As someone that is neither white nor black, my observation is that the legal system has trouble protecting women in general. In the last couple of years, I’ve heard separate stories of a white and black woman being targeted by their prior victimizers because the legal failed to properly inform them that the men had been paroled. In the case of the white woman, she was murdered and the black woman, she was seriously injured and her pre teen son was killed.

Heather only stalked Trina (though that is very serious), but I would argue that white women are more in danger, as Heather hasn’t killed any African American people, but she has killed or attempted to kill several white women.

Considering what a vindictive bitch Ava is, it is a bit surprising she isn’t pushing more for Heather to be locked in a mental hospital. If Dr.O doesn’t come back to at least to attempt to take out Heather, then I know there is no depth in  this storyline.

 

 

Edited October 27 by Ambrosefolly

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On 10/26/2024 at 3:55 AM, Tenshinhan said:

The idea is that supposedly all of Heather's murders were connected to Trina, and that ultimately she would be the primary target.  So naturally Portia might question the court's decision to release someone who was targeting a Black woman compared to if it had been a white woman.  I think it makes total sense that Portia would raise the issue, especially considering that it's about her own daughter.

I am glad that the show has at least been willing to continue the conversation of how Black women are undervalued and devalued in society to the benefit of white women, with relation to Trina's character and storylines.  Unfortunately, it's a conversation that also extends beyond the story itself and into the real life of the actress and fandom.

GH puzzles me in this regard.  Every so often, they seem to want to do a story about a societal injustice, including racism.  They bring up the issue, but then don’t really address it in any depth with storyline.  The last time I remember was about Marshall’s psychiatric mistreatment decades earlier, when he learned he’d been misdiagnosed.  There was all sorts of room for exploring how characters of vastly different backgrounds might have understood it, how some might come to see it with new eyes, whether there’s any justice to be found in the present, etc.  Instead, the issue was raised, minimally discussed (and only among Marshall’s family), then Kevin issued a formal apology and a many-minutes-long information dump, and it was over, never to be heard of again. 

I’m not really complaining.  It's okay if GH isn’t a show about real societal issues.  I get that it’s a show that has a loose relationship with reality, period.  What I don’t get is why they repeatedly decide to dip their toe into the waters and then go scurrying away. 

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10 hours ago, Suicidy said:

Does Isaiah even have a current medical license in the US?

Details, shmetails. He’s gonna save Lulu’s life! Who needs a medical license? It’s just a stupid piece of paper after all 🤣