Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[dubbel zout]

22 minutes ago, tessaray said:

OTOH, Michael isn't her employer just because he's a Q.  I doubt he signs her paycheck.

No, Michael doesn't literally sign her checks, but Sasha works for his family and Michael's own family is at the house a lot and eats her food. If he didn't have as much interaction with Sasha as an employee, then at least she'd be approaching him more as a friend, not as a friend and employee. 

The whole thing was dumb, since Michael (correctly) turned her down. If Cody wants a giant loan, Cody should be the one to ask for it. It's okay for Sasha to grease the wheel a bit, but he has be the one to do the hard part.

Edited October 24 by dubbel zout

[tessaray]

9 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The whole thing was dumb, since he (rightly) turned her down.

We agree on that. 

If the writers want to keep Sasha in the kitchen, they need to move her to a restaurant or a startup for some kind of specialty food. (Not relish!) 

[ciarra]

I don't see how Heather's crimes and the vacating of the sentence is all about Trina.  Sure, she was primarily the one being stalked, but others paid with their lives. Where is their justice?  ymmv.

 

[dubbel zout]

29 minutes ago, tessaray said:

If the writers want to keep Sasha in the kitchen, they need to move her to a restaurant or a startup for some kind of specialty food. (Not relish!) 

Bobbie's would be a decent place, as it's a set that already exists and it's an easy place to put a lot of people for interaction.

28 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I don't see how Heather's crimes and the vacating of the sentence is all about Trina. 

Portia doesn't care about anyone else but Trina.

[Cool Breeze]

19 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I was SO hoping Diane would have walked in on Robert and Anna clasping hands.

 

19 hours ago, JMO said:

Diane walking in on the moment between Robert and Anna would have been gold.  

I've been off the barge for a few years (tuning back in now to see ES and JJ) but I must confess I've never liked Diane.  The Smug is just too strong with that one.  Not Carly-level, but still bad.  Is it odd that Diane reads as "older" than ES and FH who are, in real life, older than she is?

[GHScorpiosRule]

15 hours ago, jsbt said:

It's less about that for me, as a ONS with Robert while gross and character-assassinating could've happened. 

Nope.Nope.Nope. Robert isn't a cheater and I REFUSE to believe that he would cheat on Anna. When would this one night stand have happened? Never mind, I don't care, because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Same excuse used for Teethan. But then, OH NOES! We wuz gonna DIE! So Luke and Holly fucked, at a time when Luke and Laura were offscreen and happily married and raising Lucky. But Holly kept blathering on how Luke was "the love of her life!" 

Gee, sound familiar? She used the SAME line for never seen or heard before husband who died when she was holding the vaccine for the Monkey Virus when Robert showed up alive.

And now Robert is the love of her life, so that's why she lied to him. Get the FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT NOISE.

15 hours ago, jsbt said:

It's that Holly (like Dominique re: Cody) was onscreen during the entire timeframe, was heavy in frontburner action-packed story and romance for the better part of two years after Robert exited and during that time she was never, ever pregnant.

THIS.

Frank and his minions are just bound and determined to ruin every character he didn't have a hand in creating or who has history with this show.

See: Anna and Jagger, and now Holly.

[ciarra]

54 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I don't see how Heather's crimes and the vacating of the sentence is all about Trina. 

 

26 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Portia doesn't care about anyone else but Trina.

Portia is complaining about the inequity of justice.  I just don't see it in this specific case.

[JMO]

I wonder about the disconnect between what the showrunners think are the demographics of their viewers versus the actuality.  Sure seems like there are a lot of us who were watching way back when, and are still here to call out their attempts at retconning.  Per Deadline in January 2024, our average age is 68!

[Josh371982]

On 10/21/2024 at 4:13 PM, KittenPokerCheater said:

Jane Eliot is an amazing actress.  She elevates every scene she is in.

The more I see of Holly, the less I like her.  And making Cody/Sasha cousins is just....shoddy writing to break them up so that the writers can pair them with others.  A Nulu/Dante/Cody triangle, Sasha/Isiah/Lucky triangle or something silly like that.

You're forgetting Sasha being available to console Micheal after his nasty uncle and Wife start fucking after Willow being there to console Uncle Drew once Sam Dies. 🤢🤮

[PatsyandEddie]

Eeeeww and just noooooo to that Josh. Sasha deserves better than Michael. 
We all deserve better than Michael. 

[Bringonthedrama]

Whyyy does Sonny have a dead animal mounted in his office? Ewwww. He's not a hunter!

Heather kissing Ric on the lips in her excitement was super cringe.

The scenes of Grandma Alexis w/Sam's kids, Rocco w/Lulu's hand and Laura in tears in the background, and Alexis and Sam with the two kids were very sweet. The emotional episode got to me. The real tears from multiple actors in that last family scene (- K&M, + Sonny) were so sad. Kelly Monaco looked like she was trying not to ugly cry. Then the final tearful look between Sam and Jason (more KeMo and SB feeling emotional) and Sam and her kids saying their last ILYs to each other.  I'm glad Laura got to tearfully thank Sam. 

Scott Reeves gets to come back for a day just for Curtis to say to Steven Lars (whom he's never met!) "take your mother with you when you leave." WTF?! Ugh. He thinks he can declare/demand that Steven is responsible for Heather?! And Ric suggesting he can move in too for "safety's sake" if Elizabeth temporarily let Heather stay was just gross! BHerbst was awesome with her aw hell no reaction. The only positive thing was Elizabeth got to see her brother again after too many years of separation. Dare I hope they actually get to speak to each other on-screen?

 

 

 

Edited October 24 by Bringonthedrama

[dubbel zout]

I'm disappointed Steven Lars didn't enter Curtis's office with a guitar slung across his chest. LOL. 

11 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

[Curtis] thinks he can declare/demand that Steven is responsible for Heather?!

Of course he does. The world revolves around his needs. Even if Steven Lars and Heather were on decent terms, that doesn't mean he's able to look out for her, Curtis's money or not. Curtis sucks.

Pro tip, Jack: Carly isn't as smart as you think she is.

[mostlylurking]

Like so many of you have already said, getting a new liver is not going to miraculously wake Lulu up.  As much as the brain tumor trope has been way overdone, it would have made so much more sense if they found some sort of neurological issue that they could operate on and that would wake her up.  And yeah, any suspense or doubt has been washed away since we know Kelly is leaving and Lulu has been recast.  So overall…..yawn.

[statsgirl]

Brennan to Carly:  "If you have to ask, you're not as smart as I thought you were.:  Oh sweetie, she really really isn't.

Also not smart: Sonny thinking that he can move $100 million in diamonds before the person who owned them comes after him and Holly.

Not smart #3: Carly to Brennan "Are you trying to recruit me?"

Not smart #4: Curtis telling Steven Lars that Drew can get his medical license reinstated.  Professional associations don't like people who try to do that.

Not smart #5:  Liz telling Lucas "Brad got his job back because Terry gave him a recommendation ... Brad needed a hand. You do the math." Yes Liz, the math is the hospital needed lab tech and Brad is good at his job and has tried to make amends. What more math do you need?

Carly to Jason : Jack saved your life. That means I owe him. {unspoken: and I always get you to pay my debts.]

It's really sad to see Sam/Kelly leaving. (and others like Heather, Natalia etc. staying.)

23 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Whyyy does Sonny have a dead animal mounted in his office? Ewwww. He's not a hunter!

I like to think that it's a symbol of being cuckholded.

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

If the writers want to keep Sasha in the kitchen, they need to move her to a restaurant or a startup for some kind of specialty food. (Not relish!) 

A few weeks ago when Tracy was telling her what a good chef she is, I briefly thought that Tracy was going to offer to help her get a catering company started.

39 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Portia is complaining about the inequity of justice.  I just don't see it in this specific case.

You know, if Portia had said that if Heather had been Black she wouldn't have been let out, I would have said yeah. But saying that Heather was let out because she went after a Black girl when she murdered Britt and Brando, both white (I forget who else she killed), just no.

3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I haven't loved any of the three Jordans overall, but the middle one (Briana Nicole Henry) was the only one I slightly bought as a law-enforcement professional. She had a little more toughness and savvy to her. The first (Vinessa Antoine) was the most charismatic and likable.

Ironically Vinessa Antoine is currently playing a cop on Plan B.

[mostlylurking]

8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm disappointed Steven Lars didn't enter Curtis's office with a guitar slung across his chest. LOL. 

28 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Did they say how and when he got out of prison?  I kind of zoned out.

Also I think the super weird meeting between Sam and her baby daddies was probably because Kelly wants to work with Steve as little as possible.

[sacrebleu]

2 hours ago, tessaray said:

We agree on that. 

If the writers want to keep Sasha in the kitchen, they need to move her to a restaurant or a startup for some kind of specialty food. (Not relish!) 

Make her Bill Eckert's  kid and have her take over the bakery.

Edited October 24 by sacrebleu

[norahs99]

I really wish Olbrecht were around.  Her reaction to Heather's release would have made for great soap! 

[dubbel zout]

The show really needs to stop having Ric push himself on Elizabeth after they've had her tell him more than once she's not interested. It's gross.

News flash, Curtis: Just because you're a control freak with your family doesn't mean everyone else has to be with theirs. His insistence that Steven Lars has some sort of obligation to take care of Heather is so gross. Curtis has no idea what Heather did to SL. Not that he cares, since his comfort is all that matters. Also, threatening violence against someone's mother in front of them is not a good idea, you clod.

At least I have the satisfaction of seeing the smug wiped from Curtis and Portia's faces when they realize Heather won;t go quietly into the night.

Ooooh, Jason has a glare now, instead of staring at people with a blank face. I'm shaking with fear!

[mostlylurking]

I know this was supposed to be to show us Brad is now blackmailing Portia but it was still weird Liz was giving him the side eye for leaving work early….he said he had his shift covered so what’s the problem?

Edited October 24 by mostlylurking

[tessaray]

That was a very odd way to bring Steven Lars back. Curtis is almost as dumb as Portia when it comes to Trina. Trina is more mature than either/both of her parents. 

[DanaK]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The scenes of Grandma Alexis w/Sam's kids, Rocco w/Lulu's hand and Laura in tears in the background, and Alexis and Sam with the two kids were very sweet. The emotional episode got to me. The real tears from multiple actors in that last family scene (- K&M, + Sonny) were so sad. Kelly Monaco looked like she was trying not to ugly cry. Then the final tearful look between Sam and Jason (more KeMo and SB feeling emotional) and Sam and her kids saying their last ILYs to each other.  I'm glad Laura got to tearfully thank Sam. 

Very emotional and there were a lot of anvils dropping in the scenes with Sam. You would have to suspect she wasn’t going to make it through surgery if you didn’t already know Kelly was leaving

[MarciNJ]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

The show really needs to stop having Ric push himself on Elizabeth after they've had her tell him more than once she's not interested. It's gross.

I mean.... it worked for Franco..... (but I agree, it is gross)

[YaddaYadda]

The scenes with KeMo were emotional. If anything it seems like the actors are a tight group.

Doctor Gannon was pretty bitchy to Lucas, but those arms . . .

This whole blackmail business with Brad is going to blow up in his face, not in Portia's. Everyone will be all about how Portia was trying to protect her daughter from a serial killer and Brad was just the asshat taking advantage of it.

Ric is still as smarmy as ever.

Curtis is just a condescending, higher than thou tool. A male Carly. Those scenes with Steven Lars were all sorts of cringe.

Dear Jack Brennan, Carly is not that bright. She's has a tragically massive ego and wants you to tell her that you like her because this is high school.

[TVbitch]

Is Steven Lars only staying a day? Why not keep him at the hospital since they are insisting Heather stay.

Um, Curtis, you are CEO of one company for a week, not the new mob kingpin of Port Chuck who can bride and threaten people and control medical licenses. WTF.  

[YaddaYadda]

16 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

and control medical licenses. WTF.  

His ass was talking about asking Drew to pull strings if he got elected. Doesn't get douchier than this.

[GHScorpiosRule]

UGH. Instead of Mooby and Cujo, LUCKY should have been at the hospital. So, what? Lucky’s gonna be MIA during the surgery? 

Really Sam? Mooby is part of your “people” and has been “so good” to you?

I have to think there wouldn’t be all these waterworks if Kelly wasn’t leaving the show. I don’t recall such overwrought tears when Patrick was undergoing surgery to give part of his liver to Noah. Then again, Noah hadn’t been comatose for years, even though he would die without the surgery.

The box of pastries from Eckert’s can’t have been a coincidence, right? There hasn’t been a hide or hair of one since Jenny.

Curtis is GARBAGE. He knows JACK SQUAT about Steven Lars’ history with Heather. Take care of his family, my ass.

 

Edited October 24 by GHScorpiosRule

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Really Sam? Mobby is part of your “people” and has been “so good” to you?

I wondered about that as well. When was Sonny "so good" to Sam? 

3 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The box of pastries from Eckert’s can have been a coincidence, right?

The bakery gets mentioned every so often.

Because it can't be said too often, Curtis sucks.

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The bakery gets mentioned every so often.

Huh. Probably missed it due to my fast forwarding!😆

[ciarra]

13 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The box of pastries from Eckert’s can’t have been a coincidence, right? There hasn’t been a hide or hair of one since Jenny.

From GH Wiki

In 2024, to welcome a recovering Dante Falconeri home from the hospital, Rocco Falconeri, Danny Morgan, and Scout Cain present donuts from Eckert's to celebrate. The pink iced with rainbow sprinkles are Scout's favorite.

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 minutes ago, ciarra said:

From GH Wiki

In 2024, to welcome a recovering Dante Falconeri home from the hospital, Rocco Falconeri, Danny Morgan, and Scout Cain present donuts from Eckert's to celebrate. The pink iced with rainbow sprinkles are Scout's favorite.

Oh right. My mind blanked out.

[Desperado]

I have a feeling “you’ve all been so good to me” was Kelly talking to her 20-yr co-stars. 

I haven’t been a Sam fan in ages but I really felt for the actress having to do these scenes. I wonder if less goodbye scenes would’ve been easier for everyone. As @DanaK said above, even without being spoiled we would’ve figured out she was a goner from those alone.

A lot of departures this year replaced by probably cheaper actors in useless roles.

Always nice to see Brennan though. The actor seems to have gotten a noticeable spray tan. I wonder if he has a bedroom scene coming up. 😁

[Josh371982]

4 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

Eeeeww and just noooooo to that Josh. Sasha deserves better than Michael. 
We all deserve better than Michael. 

LMAO Micheal has pissed me off before but ugh they couldn't find someone else for Willows cheating ass to cheat on him with. Her and Uncle Drew are disgusting. 

[absnow54]

1 hour ago, Desperado said:

I have a feeling “you’ve all been so good to me” was Kelly talking to her 20-yr co-stars

I was distracted by how incestuous the scene was. Sonny, father to Sam’s stillborn, sister, and boyfriend. 

I’m glad KM and NLG got another goodbye scene. It would have been awful if their last scene together was that mess with Molly and Kristina. 

Are the Eckert pastries going to give the hospital staff food poisoning mid-procedure. They were making too big a deal of the pastries. 

Edited October 24 by absnow54

[Pingaponga]

I'm really surprised we got all of the thank yous and acknowledgement of KM. Usually when actors are let go they don't get to have that. But I felt so sorry for her, and her friends in the cast, having to shoot those scenes. It must have been very difficult.

Curtis is the worst. Just the worst.

[Auntie Velvet]

If Sasha turned out to be Bill Eckhard's, I guess her incest culpability would be downgraded to a past with Michael, a distant cousin?

[Cheyanne11]

KeMo's I love you in sign language as her final gesture just made me sad.  I'm not a Sam fan, but they really did her dirty.

OMG, Curtis SUCKS!  How dare he tell Steve that it's his responsibility to basically look after his mother. The absolute fucking nerve.  And Portia telling Liz that "Curtis is taking care of it" was so gross.  These two are the worst.

 

[KittenPokerCheater]

7 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

KeMo's I love you in sign language as her final gesture just made me sad.

It was?  I thought it was the rock star sign of the devil that she gave as they wheeled her into surgery.  

[mostlylurking]

6 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Not smart #5:  Liz telling Lucas "Brad got his job back because Terry gave him a recommendation ... Brad needed a hand. You do the math." Yes Liz, the math is the hospital needed lab tech and Brad is good at his job and has tried to make amends. What more math do you need?

I had absolutely no idea what she was insinuating with that comment 🤷‍♀️ 

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

UGH. Instead of Mooby and Cujo, LUCKY should have been at the hospital. So, what? Lucky’s gonna be MIA during the surgery? 

Really Sam? Mooby is part of your “people” and has been “so good” to you?

Curtis is GARBAGE. He knows JACK SQUAT about Steven Lars’ history with Heather. Take care of his family, my ass.

Sam/KeMo was having her good-bye scenes with long-time colleagues MB and LW. JJ's Lucky and KeMo had only a couple of scenes together when he returned in 2009-11. So, I understand why he wasn't in the scenes involving Sam. I am, however, surprised that Sam didn't have a final scene with Michael/Michael and Jason since Michael was a significant part of Sam's history in her relationship with Jason. I think Chad Duell has been on the show at least 10 years now; he was there when JMB/Lulu left.

Sonny was Sam's first baby daddy, is Dante's dad and Rocco's grandfather, so I get why she said, "my people." What was she going to say, "with the exception of Sonny, you've all been so good to me." ?

Curtis is garbage, and he doesn't care about Steven Lars' history with Heather. I was just a little taken aback that he asked/paid a guy he's never met to come to Port Charles and then told him your mother is your responsibility - take her away from Port Charles or else because I'm protecting my family. That's Sonny-level audacity and self-absorption. 

[Cheyanne11]

8 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

It was?  I thought it was the rock star sign of the devil that she gave as they wheeled her into surgery.  

I thought she had her thumb out, too?  Maybe I imagined it.

ETA: just checked.  It may have different meanings, but it was definitely sign language for I love you.  

Edited October 25 by Cheyanne11

[Sake614]

16 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I thought she had her thumb out, too?  Maybe I imagined it.

ETA: just checked.  It may have different meanings, but it was definitely sign language for I love you.  

Yeah SON confirmed and said it was not scripted. ❤️

[sashabear21]

I was so hoping Steven Lars was gonna roll into town on the ab roller but that appears to not be the case. 

[ciarra]

Nice to see Sam's (idiot) sisters showing up and wishing her well. 

I thought it was Hang Loose, Hawaii. <g>

Edited October 25 by ciarra

[MissPriss]

[jsbt]

Yeah, they have been fairly regular in mentioning Eckert's Bakery and people going there for food since at least the Carlivati years. At that time it was because Ron apparently planned to bring Bill back and have some other Eckerts reappear during the Fluke saga before rewrites, but they've kept on mentioning it since so clearly someone is running it.

[CeChase]

SBU really gave nothing with his "you got this" squeak.  

It's a good thing there are few actors I love more than Genie Francis, because I know full well that if some nebulous figure of fate came floating down the hospital corridor, capes billowing behind, got Laura alone and whispered "you can have Lulu back, we will take Sam in exchange" Laura would coldly state "Make. The. Deal."

 

[Desperado]

34 minutes ago, CeChase said:

SBU really gave nothing with his "you got this" squeak.  

Yes, not a fan of this expression in the first place, but since we all know Sam/Kelly clearly didn’t “have this”, it was cringe.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Sam/KeMo was having her good-bye scenes with long-time colleagues MB and LW

I understand that these scenes are probably Kelly saying good-bye to long time cast mates, and that Mooby was the father to her stillborn child. Still, these scenes are of SAM, Mooby, Cujo, etc. and not Kelly, Maurice and Laura, so that line "so good to me" is out of place and shouldn't have been written.

When was the last time Sam and Mooby even shared scenes or a storyline together? These scenes need to make sense.

As for Lucky, well, Lulu is also undergoing surgery, so he should be there for her and to support Laura, Dante, Rocco. I wasn't even thinking about Sam where Lucky is concerned.

Just my opinion on this.

[Tenshinhan]

29 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

When was the last time Sam and Mooby even shared scenes or a storyline together? These scenes need to make sense.

Sonny has always looked out for Sam, especially when she was Jason's wife.  I thought it made total sense that he was in those scenes.

[Bringonthedrama]

32 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Still, these scenes are of SAM, Mooby, Cujo, etc. and not Kelly, Maurice and Laura, so that line "so good to me" is out of place and shouldn't have been written.

When was the last time Sam and Mooby even shared scenes or a storyline together? These scenes need to make sense.

I think the "so good to me" line in character, was supposed to be about her post-Jason life with Dante and his/Lulu's son and her own two kids. Sam was all in within Sonny and Jason's orbit for what, 15 years? She has been happy in a new family life, and her mom and his dad (who is also her former lover/baby daddy and her sister's dad, ICK) are supportive of her when she was no longer in "my life has no meaning without Jason" mindset. 

The last time I can recall that they shared scenes due to a storyline was in the hospital in March, when Dante got shot/Jason returned. Sam told Sonny she wanted the person who shot Dante to pay.