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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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3 minutes ago, Daisy said:

"We need to make everyone BE someone/connected to history on the show" and
"Let's make Holly mean something."

The time to do that was with Ethan who logically that made a lot more sense than Sasha but Show decided to appease Geary vs using logical sense then. it makes less sense now. Like not everyone needs to be related to someone on the show. And what frustrates me to no end is that Sasha really just shoulda been Nina's if they had to go there

I must have misinterpreted the writers intent because I thought making Sasha a Scorpio was their attempt to make her relevant. 🙂

Totally agree that Sasha as Nina's daughter would have been so much better. 

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3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

And who the hell is Nana? Does Holly's mother live in the US?

Sasha was living with her grandmother when Valentin scooped her up. (I wonder if she's a former nanny who holly dumped Sasha on.) I don't remember anything about a con that she was running in Llanview -- it was with a dangerous man. n fact, with Cyrus she was such a scared rabbit that it's hard to believe she was anywhere near dangerous men before.

Worst retcon I've ever seen. Given Holly's reaction to hearing about Cody, I'm hoping that she is lying and there is some other reason she doesn't want Sasha near Cody

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Every time the character Holly comes back to GH, I like her less and less.

I wonder what Holly's angle is.  For sure I think she's got a con going on.

And didn't Tristan have it in his contract or something that Robin was Robert's only child and there couldn't be more of them?  

 

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2 hours ago, Daisy said:

I get what you mean but 26 out of 50 states and Canada it is legal too. It wouldn't be my go to but apparently it's more common than we think. 

Perhaps if I didn't actually know my cousins and other relatives, I could imagine being attracted to one of them, but my experience is just ick. 

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1 hour ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I wonder what Holly's angle is.  For sure I think she's got a con going on.

I just assumed she looked at PC as a safe place to stay while she arranged to unload Sidwell's diamonds.** She didn't know until catching up with  Felicia that Cody was a Scorpio or that Sasha was working for the Qs.

I did think it was amusing that Holly seemed thrown by the idea of Sasha doing dishes. 

** By stealing the diamonds, Holly has already gotten the pilot who flew them from Africa killed, so this is the tail end of the con she was running on Sidwell. As far as we know there isn't a new one started but with Holly, you never know. 

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2 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Wait, so in the time she’s been onscreen, Sasha has lost a child, had her husband murdered, had pill issues, had a public breakdown on tv, got thrown in an institution against her will, and Holly was just what? Doing her nails during this time? I mean I can handwave some retcons but that’s a lot to swallow. 

I was thinking that Robin has shit luck when it comes to siblings/potential siblings. Sasha is still under the curse of being Michael's girlfriend. She's the only one who hasn't died (yet) but it's not because the Grim Reaper isn't trying. And Peter was Peter. 

And my monthly reminder that we still haven't found out who killed Austin. 

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3 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Wait, so in the time she’s been onscreen, Sasha has lost a child, had her husband murdered, had pill issues, had a public breakdown on tv, got thrown in an institution against her will, and Holly was just what? Doing her nails during this time? I mean I can handwave some retcons but that’s a lot to swallow. 

Holly just never being around for Sasha is probably the MOST believable thing about this retcon, as she's proven time and again that her next con is her one true love.

I'm on record as a Sam hater for years, but damn if this exit storyline for her isn't giving me The Ick.

Also, I cannot with Molly/TJ/Alexis/Kristina/Jordan all on the "Ava MUST pay" bullshit.  

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4 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I pointed this out up thread too! That if she was conceived before Robert and Anna-who I can't recall if they got married, but do know they were engaged to be-so it's all BULLSHIT. And if it happened after, well, they were "blown up" so where did Holly get Robert's sperm from?

I'm with you there-All for the blandest bland that ever blanded? I'd rather see her boink Mooby out of her grief over Brandon's death.

She might be Roberts Daughter for it to be a reason for her and Cody to break up so she's free to hook back up with Micheal after his Wife fucks his Nasty Uncle and then Micheal learns the truth 

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So in all the hoopla about Sasha being Robert’s daughter, did anyone catch that Tracy was supposedly involved with MITCH LAURENCE?????? I’m sorry, I know Mitch was charismatic but I refuse to believe Tracy got involved with him. 

And Holly took off and left Sasha with david Vickers? Who was dangerous? David Vickers was a lot of things, but dangerous was never one of them. I don’t mind occasional references to Llanview but make them make sense!

I did chuckle at Holly’s reaction to Sasha giving up modeling to become the Q cook. ‘You actually do things in the kitchen? Do you do the dishes too?’ 🤣

 

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25 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

I did chuckle at Holly’s reaction to Sasha giving up modeling to become the Q cook. ‘You actually do things in the kitchen? Do you do the dishes too?’ 🤣

I vaguely remember Holly being somewhat domestic back in her early days with Robert.

The worse thing about this "Sasha's Momma S/L" is that we'll probably have ES as a permanent addition to this already bloated cast.

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32 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

So in all the hoopla about Sasha being Robert’s daughter, did anyone catch that Tracy was supposedly involved with MITCH LAURENCE?????

I thought she said Mitch Williams, the wannabe politican who crossed Frank Smith back in the late 70's.

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33 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

So in all the hoopla about Sasha being Robert’s daughter, did anyone catch that Tracy was supposedly involved with MITCH LAURENCE?????? I’m sorry, I know Mitch was charismatic but I refuse to believe Tracy got involved with him. 

 

Did they really slip up and say Mitch Laurence? I certainly remember the Mitch Williams days.

The only reason the cousin thing matters is that Sasha is likely to want to have another child some day. 

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10 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Obviously the writers forgot that they had Sasha's DNA tested against Mac's (Sasha swapped Cody's sample with hers) and it showed no familial match. If she is Robert's that makes her Mac's niece.

Oh, they'll just retcon it so that Robert and Mac aren't actually brothers. Nothing is sacred, after all.

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8 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

Take David Vickers name out ya damn mouth, GH

That man hasn't been remotely dangerous since like 1994.

maybe Sasha meant David Vickers the Dog. 

(No i kid. like ya'll don't drag David (either one of them) into your mess)

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2 hours ago, Daisy said:

maybe Sasha meant David Vickers the Dog. 

(No i kid. like ya'll don't drag David (either one of them) into your mess)

Maligning David Vickers is a malign too far for me. It's bad enough when they re-write GH history, but now they're rewriting OLTL history. 

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Personal note: my maternal grandmother’s parents were Canadian emigrants to the US and she was born there. She married a Canadian cousin. (Wish to heck she hadn’t, but not because of the blood connection.)

Poor little Scout, the young actress really made me feel for her. Drew will want to use her for his campaign and Nina will become her adoptive mother and be fine until she finds out about his betrayal with her daughter. 

Or not.

I really feel my brain is lacking when so many of you remember scenes and timelines as if they happened yesterday. I also often need to check character names like whoever Vernee Watson is playing.

When it comes to Holly, I remember the first scene she had at the creek (river?)  when Luke sees her and the wonderful development of a romantic relationship with Robert when he married her to help her remain in the US. And that’s it. (I was on the barge on and off for many years until 2018).

All I hope from the Sasha story is that we’ll see more of Robert and that Tristan is happy and healthy enough to handle more scenes. Still love the twinkle in his blue eyes and the mischievous soul of Robert.

I can see Sasha and Robert develop a warm relationship that could last even if it turns out it was all a con.A little like Cody and Tracy (she makes him palatable to me) and before Tracy and Finn.

I like to see supportive relationships on screen, outside the romantic and family realm (ex. Ava and Trina, Tracy and Stella).

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11 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

I vaguely remember Holly being somewhat domestic back in her early days with Robert.

 

Agreed! I remember when Laura came back from the dead and was trying to be a good mayor's wife but was bored out of her mind with the ladies lunches and little speeches she had to give. She had talks with Holly who said how happy she was to have a settled, domestic life with Robert after all her years running scams. Robert and Holly were so fun then. Very sexy and in love. Does anyone remember their home sauna? They were half naked in there constantly lol.

 

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David Vickers, really? Shut up, GH.

Now, Pierce Dorman, he was dangerous. In my Big Book of General Hospital Grudges, #284 is the fact that they took a big Quartermaine story and made it all about Sonny and the mob.

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11 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

I vaguely remember Holly being somewhat domestic back in her early days with Robert.

 

53 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

Agreed! I remember when Laura came back from the dead and was trying to be a good mayor's wife but was bored out of her mind with the ladies lunches and little speeches she had to give. She had talks with Holly who said how happy she was to have a settled, domestic life with Robert after all her years running scams. Robert and Holly were so fun then. Very sexy and in love. Does anyone remember their home sauna? They were half naked in there constantly lol.

They were! Yes, he married her to prevent her from being deported because she was pregnant with Luke's baby, and they had learned he "died" in that avalanche.

They fell in love and became the Nick and Nora of Port Charles. Holly even did a few investigations on her own about blackmailers in town at the spa. She wasn't the con artist running cons in Port Charles when she and Robert were married, so Mac spouting that bullshit was giving me rage blackout.

Now. Both Emma and Tristan were leaving the show, and enter one Anna DeVane. After that storyline with Felicia and the treasure ended, Holly left for England or Australia (I'm blanking on that), while Robert stuck around for the Asian Quarter story line, and then he also left. 

Then Robert returned a few years later, and we got the Cheryl WTD story line with Lucas. 

I think Holly was thought to be dead, which is the explanation for why Tristan/Robert returned. Then there was Katherine. After that fizzled, Robert and Anna found their way back to each other. And were "blown up" and considered "dead" as a result. Finola had been recast with someone else when that happened. Then I remember Holly came back and was there for Robin.

So tell me, Fucking Show, just when did Robert impregnate Holly? And why didn't any of us see her pregnancy when she was carrying Sasha and would have been on the show?

Guzasshole ruined Holly when Emma returned during the Monkey Virus story line, holding the vaccine for ransom. She's only become worse and worse with every return after.

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15 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Perhaps if I didn't actually know my cousins and other relatives, I could imagine being attracted to one of them, but my experience is just ick. 

Heh. This reminds me of when my dad was big into digging into his family tree, and we went to the area Mormon temple to look through their records. Mormons do a lot of genealogical research because they believe you're "sealed" with your family in heaven. (Excuse my non-Mormon interpretation of this.) When my dad and I heard this, we were like, "We don't want to be with some of our relatives now, let alone stuck with them for eternity."

14 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

And my monthly reminder that we still haven't found out who killed Austin. 

Do we care? I know I don't. We're better off with Gentle Farmer Franco out of things. 

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Also, I cannot with Molly/TJ/Alexis/Kristina/Jordan all on the "Ava MUST pay" bullshit. 

So tiresome. I enjoyed Ric sticking it to Kristina by reminding her the baby was Molly and TJ's, and her name was Irene. Kristina is so easy to rile up, it's pathetic.

13 hours ago, Josh371982 said:

so she's free to hook back up with Micheal

Geez, I know people hate Sasha, but she doesn't deserve this!

9 hours ago, Steph J said:

Oh, they'll just retcon it so that Robert and Mac aren't actually brothers. Nothing is sacred, after all.

Sasha's  DNA test was done in the GH labs, wasn't it? Easy enough to chalk it up to bad methodology. At least Brad wasn't working there at the time, or he'd be blamed for that.

4 hours ago, Daisy said:

maybe Sasha meant David Vickers the Dog

That would be Princess David Vickers the dog, thank you very much!

1 hour ago, Desperado said:

I like to see supportive relationships on screen, outside the romantic and family realm (ex. Ava and Trina, Tracy and Stella).

Same, and the show is surprisingly good at writing these relationships. They are much better than most of the romantic relationships, in which everyone is somehow 8 years old.

 

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2 hours ago, Desperado said:

I really feel my brain is lacking when so many of you remember scenes and timelines as if they happened yesterday. I also often need to check character names like whoever Vernee Watson is playing.

 

it's actually scary the amount of soap opera history i can recall on demand... 
ask my to recall anything that i went to university or college for 6+ years for.  crickets...
 

3 hours ago, tessabq said:

Maligning David Vickers is a malign too far for me. It's bad enough when they re-write GH history, but now they're rewriting OLTL history. 

I know. like i know ABC has the rights again so they can pull AMC/OLTL people onto the show and I feel like having Blair as the Third Ex Wife was supposed to be a "Squeee!!!" because it's Blair but I am like when would BLAIR go for Martin? Or any Cramer Woman). now Sasha was in danger by David Vickers? like stahp show.  You are already ruining your own show, Frank. don't drag OLTL/AMC into this nonsense. 
 

13 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

The worse thing about this "Sasha's Momma S/L" is that we'll probably have ES as a permanent addition to this already bloated cast.

I think i read here? (maybe reddit) Emma Samms filmed her scenes and bounced. so nope. 

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ES is already back in the UK with her family so Holly isn’t sticking around long term

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

thought she said Mitch Williams, the wannabe politican who crossed Frank Smith back in the late 70's.

Oooh okay. I sure as hell hope I misheard! Cause no way Tracy was involved with Mitch Laurence!

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20 hours ago, TVbitch said:
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I was trying to decide who I hate more today and it was a heated competition... Holly! No, Kristina!! No, Molly!! No, TJ!!!

That will always be TJ (at least, out of this group)

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16 hours ago, Sake614 said:

So in all the hoopla about Sasha being Robert’s daughter, did anyone catch that Tracy was supposedly involved with MITCH LAURENCE??????

I thought she was involved with MITCH WILLIAMS.   I smell a writing continuity error.... or laziness/stupidity on their part....

Never mind - I see that has been addressed; however, I stand by the writers being lazy/stupid.

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5 hours ago, Desperado said:

I can see Sasha and Robert develop a warm relationship that could last even if it turns out it was all a con

like she has with Nina; she'll have 2 decent fake parents.

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17 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Holly just never being around for Sasha is probably the MOST believable thing about this retcon, as she's proven time and again that her next con is her one true love.

I'm on record as a Sam hater for years, but damn if this exit storyline for her isn't giving me The Ick.

And how snobbish was Holly when her mind was blown that Sasha was….GASP…..WASHING DISHES!  Like her supposed line of work is so high brow.

I felt so badly for Scout.  This is just going to be difficult to watch.

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6 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

I felt so badly for Scout.  This is just going to be difficult to watch.

I'm wondering where she'll live....

Drew - yeah, he'll want to trot her out for campaign purposes, but he will be travelling to much to be an actual hands on parent

Grandma Alexis - maybe, but doubtful.  No drama involved

Aunt Molly - well, she does want a kid (not the baby she had in mind, though)

Aunt Kristina - no way

Grandma Monica - likely

Too bad she can't stay with Dante, much like Mac raised Felicia's girls after she left.  Jason will probably let Danny stay there...

She and Violet can start a club....

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If Violet is leaving to move to Seattle with her dad, why go through the quickest fall to alcoholism possible with Finn and put him in rehab? Why not write them both out at the same time? He could have moved to Seattle months ago.

And why is Lois all squirrel-ly?

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20 hours ago, tessaray said:

I must have misinterpreted the writers intent because I thought making Sasha a Scorpio was their attempt to make her relevant. 🙂

I think it is - both her and Cody. But I still don't care about either of them or their relationship. There's no need for Mac to have a biological adult son any more than there's a need for Robert to have an additional adult daughter.

I loved Maxie's eyeroll at Holly today. I feel like all of her reactions as Holly was telling her tale accurately represent the audience. 

Nice to see that Lucky's still completely in love with Elizabeth. I guess after Aiden turned out to be his son, and now seeing Nikolas' son with Spencer's ex-girlfriend (I assume he knows the details from Laura), all the old pain over the Nikolas/Elizabeth affair is gone.   She's a better woman than I am for not snarking at him when he asked about Aiden when he was Ace's age. I enjoyed the hug and the LnL2 banter!

JE and GF rocked the Tracy-Laura scenes about Lulu's life. 

Kristina and Molly, the self-centered sisters, deserve to feel like shit when they realize they'll never get to talk to/have a family moment with Sam again. 

I hate BLQ and Chase being all devastated that Violet is leaving.  Hey, you get to go on your honeymoon to Italy now!! Enjoy being newlyweds, for goodness sake. The writers suck for having BLQ call Tracy but no one's thought to call Elizabeth. Elizabeth, not Gio, should be the one helping Violet pack! Elizabeth and her boys spent a lot more time with Violet for years than BLQ did!!

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10 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

I felt so badly for Scout.  This is just going to be difficult to watch.

My cold shriveled piece of coal for a heart is unmoved. Scout has been a prop for her entire life, and I can't start caring for her now.

I bet Drew will drop out of the congressional race to raise Scout. He's been waffling anyway with the Aurora and ELQ stuff going on.

8 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

If Violet is leaving to move to Seattle with her dad, why go through the quickest fall to alcoholism possible with Finn and put him in rehab? Why not write them both out at the same time? He could have moved to Seattle months ago.

I know. I guess they really wanted Michael Easton off the show as soon as possible without killing him off.

I loved Maxie's attitude toward Holly. Exactly what Holly deserves. If I took a shot every time Sasha said "my mother," I'd be in an alcohol-induced coma.

6 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I still don't care about [Cody and Sasha] or their relationship. There's no need for Mac to have a biological adult son any more than there's a need for Robert to have an additional adult daughter.

I can't like this enough.

Of course Sam is going to die while she's angry with Kristina and Molly. As if those two aren't annoying enough, now we'll probably watch them blame each other for this. UGH.

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36 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

JE and GF rocked the Tracy-Laura scenes about Lulu's life. 

When JE reached to dry GF’s tears, I was in a puddle. So well done. 

I was all into having one last Davis Coven get together but the writers ruined it with the stupid Kristina/Molly feud. Next week we’ll have them crying over the fact that they were sh*tty to Sam and I won’t care one bit.

If these were KM’s last scene, it was quite a slap in he face. Damn, Violet is getting a more proper send off than her.

As I thought I would, I enjoyed the Robert/Sasha scenes and him using WSB resources for the paternity test.

I can’t help but wonder if Brennan knows Holly and if he’s linked to this plot though.

Are they making Gannon a new love interest for Lucas? I could get behind that.

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3 minutes ago, Desperado said:

I enjoyed the Robert/Sasha scenes and him using WSB resources for the paternity test.

Haven't watched yet, but I'm happy this isn't staying some ridiculous secret that takes months to come to light.

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So, Finn has a job in Seattle? Haha! When we moved to the Seattle area 30+ years ago, my husband and I noticed how often people on TV (especially) are sent to Seattle when they are written out of the script. We guessed it is because it is the farthest west and north destination in the contiguous US states. Going to Seattle was like being sent to the moon or the Twilight Zone - never to be heard from again, because we apparently have no way of leaving or communicating with anyone from the outside. :-)

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9 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

So, Finn has a job in Seattle?

I'm surprised the show passed on the opportunity to say that Finn is working at Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital. Corporate synergy fail!

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22 minutes ago, Desperado said:

If these were KM’s last scene, it was quite a slap in he face. Damn, Violet is getting a more proper send off than her.

Are they making Gannon a new love interest for Lucas? I could get behind that.

Sam's on next week; she's in the preview for Monday talking to Jason. It's clear from today's episode and the preview that the transplant surgery is later "today," which means it could start anywhere from the Monday - Friday episodes.

I don't think so. Gannon just had a date with Jordan and seems to really like her. Although nuLucas could be developing a crush on him?

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51 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm surprised the show passed on the opportunity to say that Finn is working at Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital. Corporate synergy fail!

If Finn turns up as a new doctor on Grey's Anatomy, I would actually start watching that show again! He could interview with Bailey and go... you know, you look familiar.

Maxie's contempt for Holly was awesome, and she was looking downright hot while dishing it out today! 

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I see what you’re trying to do Show, and I’m not buying it. Having Maxie bring up how Science was on her and OUR side, by saying the “DNA” test Felicia did was basically a blood test. I remember original Law & Order Season Two “Skin Deep” where DNA evidence was thrown out at trial because the match was 85% of the mother who was the defendant. Turned out it was the daughter’s  DNA. So that test Felicia had done? Would have revealed some match.

Maxie was AWESOME!

I was going to say that Sasha needed to check herself the way she stormed into Robert’s office as if he was responsible for Holly’s shit. And AGAIN-it’s MISTER Scorpio! Not, “DA Scorpio” you stupid writers!

And today was the final nail in the coffins and proof that the Davis Coven is deaddeaddead. The recasts of Kristina and Molly are the reason plus the shitty plot. Both Molly and Kristina are GARBAGE. Way to make it all about themselves when Sam is telling them about Lulu.

But YAY Robert! 

Lucky and Elizabeth were PURE ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️!!!

SIGH….My inner teen heart just went pitty-pat! And the Nurses Ball reference to Jailhouse Rock number! I would have loved a flashback to that, but Frank is a cheap bastard.

I lost it completely when Tracy wiped Laura’s tears.

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Oh this Sasha stuff is stupid. Holly is her mother? 
Where was holly all of these years that Sasha has been in port Charles?

 

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20 minutes ago, ljr said:

Where was holly all of these years that Sasha has been in port Charles?

Apparently she was keeping track of her when she was hired by Valentin to con Nina, but she was nowhere to be seen when Sasha became a drug addict, had a heart attack, when her baby died, when her husband was murdered, when she was gaslit on live television. 

Speaking of Nina, is it me or has it been a while since she's been on screen?

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Speaking of Nina, is it me or has it been a while since she's been on screen?

If all she's going to do is fawn all over Drew then she can stay offscreen and I say that as a Nina fan! 

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On 10/17/2024 at 12:08 PM, LexieLily said:

Obviously the writers forgot that they had Sasha's DNA tested against Mac's (Sasha swapped Cody's sample with hers) and it showed no familial match. If she is Robert's that makes her Mac's niece.

Yes, thank you!  That stupid thing fired up my inner nerd!.  If it was a simple paternity test and they tested YDNA, they would have noticed that the sample from "Cody" was lacking a Y chromosome.  OK, benefit of the doubt, maybe the lab just knew that it was a paternity test and they didn't know the sex of the people involved (Cody could be a girl's name too) but an autosomal DNA test would reveal a niece/uncle relationship.

On 10/17/2024 at 3:56 PM, tessaray said:

I must have misinterpreted the writers intent because I thought making Sasha a Scorpio was their attempt to make her relevant. 🙂

I assumed it was the writers remembering that those of us that like Sasha and Cody (we really do exist!) can't have nice things either.

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I'm just going to put this out there.  First cousins can marry in NY.

I just started watching again after about an 8 month break.  How did Ace get back to town?  Why do the Qs have him?

And I can not believe (well I can, it's just an expression) that Ned and Drew are still fighting over ELQ. It's like time stood still on that one.

And do we know if Sonny killed Jagger or not?  And do we care?  I don't think I do actually.

And in GH timeline when would Sasha have been born anyway?  I feel like it would have been when Robert and Anna were dead.  She has to be somewhere around Cody's age. Cody had to have been born before Dom got that brain tumor.  Holly was around then because I remember her coming in on Dom when she was upset and saying something about being mad that the Deception cosmetics made her even more beautiful. OK, I don't remember exactly what she said, but I know it was something and I know it was Holly. Maybe the Cassadines brainwashed Holly and Sasha and gave them memories of being mother/daughter and they aren't realated. Why?  No idea but it wouldn't be the stupidest thing to happen in PC.

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