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12 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Or if she must be wearing clothes, than have her in his shirt that he just took off.  It covers her and is a sexier look than pjs ANS a housecoat while under the covers, literally moments after having sex.  

I cannot believe that the show allowed her to have TWO LAYERS on during that scene.  I keep going back to the role she played on OLTL (as Kim) when she was 1/2 dressed in many of her scenes with Clint.   I know, I know, that all changed after she got married and she's now a mom.   But soaps aren't so explicit with sex scenes anymore.  Why can't she just cover up with a sheet?  

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Just now, DanaMB said:

So was Sasha made a Scorpio (🙄) just so we could have a Cody/Lulu/Dante triangle?

And a Sasha/Michael ONS and baby. 
 

At this point I’m wondering how they’re going to do the Gio reveal.  Which family member will have the medical emergency where they need something from Gio or someone needs to save him and/or Lois will blurt out that he’s her grandmother when they ask about his family or will he get caught in Sonny’s crossfire and Lois will inform him similar to how he found out about Dante.  

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DanaMB

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On 11/28/2024 at 12:51 AM, Grinaldi said:

I am really liking Alexa as Lulu as well. She projects intelligence and spunk. Looking forward to the reunions with Tracy, Laura and Lucky. And clearly they are chem testing her with Cody which I am down for.

I like her, too. She’s reminding me of JB.

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Cheyanne11

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9 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

I am really liking Alexa as Lulu as well. She projects intelligence and spunk. Looking forward to the reunions with Tracy, Laura and Lucky. And clearly they are chem testing her with Cody which I am down for.

I'm liking her, too.  Definitely vibing with JMB's version of Lulu.  I really like that they didn't draw out someone she knew seeing her--and it was right that it was Rocco who saw her first.

Also, I know James is an annoying soap kid, but he was cracking me up yesterday.  

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nilyank

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10 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

At this point I’m wondering how they’re going to do the Gio reveal.  Which family member will have the medical emergency where they need something from Gio or someone needs to save him and/or Lois will blurt out that he’s her grandmother when they ask about his family or will he get caught in Sonny’s crossfire and Lois will inform him similar to how he found out about Dante.  

I am thinking that Brook Lynn finds out that she can't have any babies and Lois tells her that Gio was the baby that she gave up and since he is currently an orphan, she can be his mother again.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

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Sasha, Nina, and Maxie were friends long before Sasha learned she was Robert's daughter. Just because she's now in the Mac/Felicia orbit doesn't mean she has stronger ties to the canvas, IMO. Valerie (remember her?) had all sorts of interactions with people who weren't Spencers, and where is she now? 

What has being Mac's son done for Cody? Not much. There's not a Thanksgiving dinner for him to attend, either with Mac and Felicia or the Qs. (I think it was a mistake not to have some mention of the holiday.)

Making someone a relative of an existing character doesn't in and of itself strengthen that character. The writers have to follow through, and a month or two after the revelation, they rarely do.

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NotMySekrit2Tell

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New Lulu is giving big-time Berman vibes, and I am HERE FOR IT. I never liked Emme Rylan's "Junior Wine Mom" version of Lulu. She was only the same character because they insisted.  

IDK if it's true, but I read on a gossip board that there has been an order handed down that the name "Jax" must be avoided in dialogue. If they have to bring him up, like for something involving Carly and Josslyn, they word it somehow without using the name. The only exception was a flashback of a Carly/Sam catfight where Carly rubbed it in that Sonny, Jason, and Jax were all still in her life and not in Sam's life.

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driver18

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Sasha, Nina, and Maxie were friends long before Sasha learned she was Robert's daughter. Just because she's now in the Mac/Felicia orbit doesn't mean she has stronger ties to the canvas, IMO. Valerie (remember her?) had all sorts of interactions with people who weren't Spencers, and where is she now? 

What has being Mac's son done for Cody? Not much. There's not a Thanksgiving dinner for him to attend, either with Mac and Felicia or the Qs. (I think it was a mistake not to have some mention of the holiday.)

Making someone a relative of an existing character doesn't in and of itself strengthen that character. The writers have to follow through, and a month or two after the revelation, they rarely do.

But we haven't seen Sasha and Maxie much together since she left Deception, and as I pointed out, Maxie specifically said, I'm not just a friend, I'm family now. And, we saw Sasha with Felicia having a heart to heart. And we saw Sasha with Felicia and Mac. We also saw Felicia and Anna talking about Sasha.

The point is that before Gladys was the only "family" that Sasha had for the longest time and she was terrible. Now, she has 5 to 7 ppl she can turn to, ppl who she is sharing scenes with, who are actively concerned about her, embracing her, talking to her, and about her AS FAMILY. And we have actively seen these scenes play out since finding out she is a part of their family.

As for what will happen beyond the next few months, we don't know. Many a thing has been said will definitively happen or not happen here and yet such was not the case, so we'll see.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

28 minutes ago, driver18 said:

And we have actively seen these scenes play out since finding out she is a part of their family.

It's early days, and the show is working overtime to tell us Sasha is Robert's daughter, so those ties are being screamed at us. As I wrote earlier, it's after the initial reveal that determines if Sasha is more anchored. History says no.

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Tartlet

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If the show had any guts at all, they would have kept Sasha with Cody.  Let her have the disgusting ONS with Michael. She can even be pregnant as a result.  But it would have been more interesting to me if Cody stepped up to be there for her as a friend (instead of where it’s likely going with Jason). Let the relationship deepen as they become the best of friends.  Maybe he even pretends to be the father and they have that fall-out to deal with.  Maybe they eventually decide they don’t care that they’re cousins and they decide to be together. It’s obviously scandalous, but Guiding Light was able to pull it off.  Or maybe in the end, Mac finds out he was adopted and we get a storyline for him.

I guess I just miss the type of writing and storytelling from shows like Guiding Light and As the World Turns.  Those shows could give you 60 minute episodes focusing on friendships, real life interactions, and meaningful, authentic conversations. They were more “quiet” shows (if that makes sense?) and had long, slow builds that delivered a big payoff in the end. It was comforting and enjoyable to watch as a viewer. 

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Suicidy

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On 11/26/2024 at 6:00 AM, Cheyanne11 said:

It would be Michael's baby, not Drew's, that Jason was theoretically pretending to have fathered.  Let's not wish Drew on Sasha--she's already suffered enough.

I thought we were talking about if Willow got pregnant too.  My mistake.

On 11/26/2024 at 7:45 AM, dubbel zout said:

Because said hotel owner (or co-owner) is Carly, of course. ETA: Though I'm surprised they haven't managed to blame Nina somehow for the window being so flimsy.

At first I thought he was replaying the footage from the nannycam and was plotting how to unleash that on Drew.

Poor Sasha. She's likely shackled with Michael's baby, which is its own special hell.

With CD leaving, it doesn’t sound like Michael will be around anyway.

Suicidy

Suicidy

On 11/26/2024 at 12:57 PM, jqdeco said:

After 4 years in a coma, Lulu wouldn’t be able to talk or feed herself, let alone have the strength to pull IV’s out of herself, walk, steal a bag and hitchhike.

I enjoyed Ric twisting everything Kristina said and making her look like a nut.

She also should have been hooked up to a feeding tube, and the female version of a catheter.  Even if she could immediately move, which no way in hell would she have, she would be tethered to that bed.  With her monitor going off the moment she removed it.  I ha a friend in high school who was in a coma for five weeks, and he could move his arms a bit, but he could barely talk, and certainly couldn’t sit up immediately.  It took over three weeks before he was strong enough to go home.  And at the time he woke up his injuries had healed.  Other than some lingering issues with his traumatic brain injury. 
 

At least he learned not to go car surfing on the hood of a car he was driving. 

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Suicidy

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On 11/26/2024 at 7:23 PM, Artsda said:

I don't know how any family member allowed a crying woman who baby died to be attack badgered. 

How could any jury not feel bad for her? Especially with how horrid Ava is. 

When Dante was called out about conflict of interest he should have replied, I don't know uncle Ric. 

Uncle Ric can badger neice, nephew and talk about Molly and it's no conflict brought up? 

Except Ric is actually right.  It really was a terrible accident.  If anything, the MetroCourt should be sued for having such substandard windows.  Maybe Ric will sue Carly next.  That would make up for a lot.  Especially if Carly had to sell her share of the hotel to pay the judgment.

Oh, who am I kidding?  If that were allowed to happen, Sonny, Jason, Drew, Olivia, etc. would be falling all over themselves to buy it back for here….. again.

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Suicidy

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On 11/27/2024 at 12:00 PM, absnow54 said:

There are so many amazing moments to choose from Lulu’s unexpected and unlikely journey. Managing to slip out of Maxie’s house quicker than Maxie could run down the hall, and right past Spinelli who had to have be in the driveway when she left. Teleporting to the Quartermaine grounds to encounter every new character in Port Charles first. But the winning scene goes to Turning Woods texting Lucky footage of his comatose sister escaping without comment. Wouldn’t you CALL them first to prepare them for the revelation? 

Anyway, thank god Rocco finally identified her. 

Port Charles exists in a tiny pocket universe.  Where one can fall into a river and end up what would realistically be a hundred miles away in a matter of minutes, and apparently has a tiny fraction of our population.  So going from Maxie’s house to the Quartermaine grounds is just a brisk few mile walk for a woman who just woke up from a four year coma and is still recovering from transplant surgery.

I also can’t wait for Lulu to scarf down a big cheeseburger after several years of no solid food, and with zero ill effects.

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Josh371982

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12 hours ago, DanaMB said:

So was Sasha made a Scorpio (🙄) just so we could have a Cody/Lulu/Dante triangle?

They just can’t torture the character enough apparently. 

I just read a article that suggests Dante as a romantic Option for Sasha with Micheal getting ready to leave and the apparent chem testing between Lulu and Cody. Article also suggests Drew and Willow won't last and that Willow could be a romantic Option for Lucky or Isiah once Micheal is gone. I wouldn't hate any of those pairings just being honest. 

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KittyQ

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On 11/25/2024 at 5:14 PM, Mirabelle said:

While it's wrong for Cyrus to basically kidnap Lulu to South Dakota, he is not wrong to think she deserves a better facility since apparently Turning Woods has not yet figured out a supposed coma patient has left the building. Shouldn't a heart monitor have gone off or something? 

I'm just catching up on this week's episodes, but I wondered what kind of a facility can't tell when a patient has regained consciousness? There have to be monitors, right? Feeding tubes? Regular checks? I don't know why Cyrus is doing what he's doing, but it seemed to me that Turning Woods is NOT very reliable WRT patient care. Then, there's their tendency to take everyone at their word - Oh, the mayor said that you now are the person in charge of Lulu's care? All good! - good grief! Maybe if Lulu was still comatose she would be better off in South Carolina. But she's not. Apparently whatever PT they've been doing is enough that she can get up and run away within hours of waking up. Of course, this is soap opera territory not real world, but a little verisimilitude would be nice.

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Cheyanne11

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5 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Wasn’t there some Quartermaine birthmark involved with solving Michael’s paternity?

That was actually AJ, back in the day.  Monica thought he was Rick's son, but he had the Q birthmark and it turned out he actually was Alan's.

Michael's paternity was solved when Robin told AJ he was the father (I think he had begun to suspect?).

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DanaMB

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16 hours ago, Josh371982 said:

I just read an article that suggests Dante as a romantic Option for Sasha with Micheal getting ready to leave and the apparent chem testing between Lulu and Cody. Article also suggests Drew and Willow won't last and that Willow could be a romantic Option for Lucky or Isiah once Micheal is gone. I wouldn't hate any of those pairings just being honest. 

Ugh, no. Can’t she just leave, too?

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JMO

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20 hours ago, Josh371982 said:

I just read a article that suggests Dante as a romantic Option for Sasha with Micheal getting ready to leave and the apparent chem testing between Lulu and Cody. Article also suggests Drew and Willow won't last and that Willow could be a romantic Option for Lucky or Isiah once Micheal is gone. I wouldn't hate any of those pairings just being honest. 

I don't know what to think about this.  Part of me wonders if it might not be interesting to see them all in relationships we haven't seen before. But most of me assumes that Lucky/Liz and Lulu/Dante are end game.  I think I would get impatient with the interval relationship, and mostly I think I would be sadly disappointed if the writers didn't get around to the end game before the involved actors' contracts ran out.  Because I absolutely think that could happen.

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Sake614

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4 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Come on, Ric, all you need to do is subpoena Natalia's phone records to confirm that she didn't get a text at the time of the accident and is lying about it being her fault due to distracted driving.  Perjury.  Not a good way to rehab the Natalia character.

But she wants to jump on Sonny’s magic peen and protecting his daughter is a good way to do it!🙄

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YaddaYadda

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11 hours ago, ciarra said:

Come on, Ric, all you need to do is subpoena Natalia's phone records to confirm that she didn't get a text at the time of the accident and is lying about it being her fault due to distracted driving.  Perjury.  Not a good way to rehab the Natalia character.

The idea is that since the Corinthos clan is always in the right even when they are glaringly wrong, and they are somehow the protagonists of this show, then Natalia can earn bigotry redemption by protecting Kristina and sticking it to Ava at the same time because she's evil and exposed Natalia for the asshole that she is.

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Sake614

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51 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

As far as I’m concerned, Lucky is still very much in love with Elizabeth, and as someone who loved them as teens, I want them to find their way back to each other.

I dunno. I see love, sure. Affection. Respect. But deep, passionate love? Not sure I see it or even if he’s capable of that.  They’re not the same people. They’ve both been shaped by different events in their lives and he hasn’t been around in almost 15 years. Maybe in time but right now he’s too full of wanderlust and self pity to be any good to her or anyone else.

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driver18

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59 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

I dunno. I see love, sure. Affection. Respect. But deep, passionate love? Not sure I see it or even if he’s capable of that.  They’re not the same people. They’ve both been shaped by different events in their lives and he hasn’t been around in almost 15 years. Maybe in time but right now he’s too full of wanderlust and self pity to be any good to her or anyone else.

Except, Lucky was all ready to leave.... until Elizabeth was possibly in trouble. If there was anything he could do for her, be her hero, well, yup, now, he's sticking around. Not his mom, sister, kid, just Elizabeth.

Healthy, nah, but it shows that she's still the one for whom he yearns.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

3 minutes ago, driver18 said:

Except, Lucky was all ready to leave.... until Elizabeth was possibly in trouble. If there was anything he could do for her, be her hero, well, yup, now, he's sticking around. Not his mom, sister, kid, just Elizabeth.

His ego couldn't take not being Lulu's hero, and that's why he was all ready to leave. I'm not sure wanting to be Elizabeth's hero means he's yearning for her. A lot of it is about trying to redeem himself for himself.

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jsbt

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I think it's a bit more complicated. I think passion, whether it's for love or family, is all Jonathan's Lucky's ever been capable of. And when he can't have that or more importantly handle it he just runs from it now, because Lucky has developed an addictive personality shaped by a variety of traumas or issues that have destroyed his life more than once. Every time the great romances in his life or homes/families he's built or was raised in have fallen apart, he's crashed out. He hasn't been functional in normalcy for many years since the last separation with Elizabeth or the 'death' of Jake, so he's conditioned himself to simply keep moving and opt out of anything that might tempt him back to trying again, in order to stay alive and/or sober. Helping strangers all over the world means he doesn't have to be alone with himself.

That's not an excuse for his unacceptable behavior towards his children. But it is me saying I think resignation or merely going through the motions with anything he cares about is demonstrably the opposite of who JJ's Lucky is. He's just never been that guy. Look at the crazy shit he pulled when he found out he couldn't donate to Lulu. There is a track record of those kind of outbursts going back to the day Nikolas arrived in Port Charles, if not before. Lucky was a boy then and in terms of his emotions he hasn't changed much.

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Bringonthedrama

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5 hours ago, jsbt said:

 Every time the great romances in his life or homes/families he's built or was raised in have fallen apart, he's crashed out. He hasn't been functional in normalcy for many years since the last separation with Elizabeth or the 'death' of Jake, so he's conditioned himself to simply keep moving and opt out of anything that might tempt him back to trying again, in order to stay alive and/or sober. Helping strangers all over the world means he doesn't have to be alone with himself.

 Lucky was a boy then and in terms of his emotions he hasn't changed much.

Well said! I think this is exactly what Lucky was talking about when his response to a question (during all the poker game scenes with Carlos Rota's character) was "I'm relationship challenged." 

He's afraid he can't function in a normal life. 

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Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe

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On 11/28/2024 at 6:35 PM, Suicidy said:

I also can’t wait for Lulu to scarf down a big cheeseburger after several years of no solid food, and with zero ill effects.

It's more likely her first meal will be a world-famous BLT from Bobbie's. Apparently, they can make the lame walk and the blind see again.

Also, in the real world, Turning Woods would be looking at a huge malpractice lawsuit over the Lulu episode. For that reason, I was shocked at their Administrator giving Lucky and Elizabeth so much push-back.

Re: Lucky's next gig, I really think Anna should re-hire him as a Senior Detective with the PCPD, that's the job he had when the character was essentially the most grounded and functional.

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absnow54

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6 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Also, in the real world, Turning Woods would be looking at a huge malpractice lawsuit over the Lulu episode. For that reason, I was shocked at their Administrator giving Lucky and Elizabeth so much push-back.

Watch them bill Lulu for the nurse’s stollen belongings. 

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